Gilead is the drug maker and their medication for Hep C was extremely expensive but it was also a cure for it so unlike many drug makers who's goal is to keep you on the medication forever so the $ never stop rolling in they did provide a cure for those $

They also were given orphan drug status on remdesivir this week and asked the FDA to rescind that so I would think that in a situation like this if remdesivir turns out to be the best treatment that Gilead isn't going to be looking to hold up helping people to make a few extra bucks (I hope)

What do we think about this?

Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say? - WSJ

Basically saying the virus has already been here as early as mid-December, and has already spread to a bunch of folks.

I think Arles has been saying it for a while. There are likely 5x as many folks that have it that have been confirmed.

Gupta has been saying that 4 out of 5 people who get it, contract it from someone who didn't know they had it.

I definitely think the infection numbers are much higher and the fatality rate is much lower, but there are still a lot of people dying.

But I'm just a random dude on a fake football game messageboard. What do I know?

My response is that they might be right to a degree, but even if they are the article misses the point that's been discussed repeatedly in this thread. I hope I'm not being too repetitious by saying it again.


This isn't the issue. The issue is the hospitalization rate. We know what's happening in Italy and to a degree also now in Spain and even New York. New Orleans appears to be next, etc. The number of people who will die despite the best efforts of modern medicine may indeed be relatively low. The number of people who will require hospital care is demonstrably not. The contagiousness of the disease is demonstrably not. And then when the medical system is overrun, you can't effectively treat nearly the volume of patients that require it, and that's when mortality (from all causes, not just COVID-19) spikes. That's why it's worth shutting down much of the economy over this - since that will happen anyway in a runaway pandemic to some extent - and one reason why you can't do as one pundit has irresponsibly suggested and just surround the old folks homes with the National Guard and call it a day.

I think we would have seen larger numbers for hospitalization and deaths before now if it had been here that early, unless it was in very isolated areas.

I also give a side-eye to anything WSJ these days. (Murdoch-owned, Pro-Trump.)

I agree with this.

When they do a post-mortem on this, I would very much like to definitively know why there seems to be so much variability in the mortality rate.

We don’t know if there is so much variability in mortality rate because we don’t have expansive testing.

And since we don’t test mild or asymptomatic cases we’re never going to know what the true number is.

Yep. Also, there could be variances in the two known primary strains that we don't fully understand. There could be more strains emerging, or not.

We'll be able to make intelligent guesses years from now. That's as close as we're ever going to get.

If this is true, then is it possible that has mutated and become stronger. Like maybe Covid 18 rolled through and a bunch got it and now its mutated to 19.

So sorry to hear about what you're going through Mota :(

Triple edged sword...

1) Should be great news! Obviously still appears to be quite contagious in certain situations (my amateur keyboard analysis says you are more likely to catch exponential rapid growth on a cruise ship, NYC Subway, Mardi Gras... vs normal everyday interactions) And could be wrong!!!
2) Might be misinterpreted by some as a call to immediately get back to work and normal life! Seems like the lock-downs and social distancing are definitely slowing the huge breakouts and need to continue to prevent the hospitals from overflowing and a lot of unnecessary death and/or suffering.
3) Will be naysayed by anyone under the opinion that everything the Trump administration does is wrong, possibly preventing getting back to more normal activities in late April/May/Early Summer.

So basically business as usual in the United States! :-)

I'm just shocked this message board has survived the virus. I figured I'd do my every-so-often check in and see a virtual wasteland.

Usually, the weaker strain travels quicker because people that don't feel as sick tend to do more. If I were to guess (and like spleen said I'm a guy on a football message board), I would think you could have had a weaker strain earlier that traveled quick. Then, it either mutated or the stronger strain eventually made it here from Europe/China. That would *seem* to fit the information we have.

All that said, we really don't know how many strains there are out there, the mortality rate for each and the full extent of the impact of this virus. I do think we will see a lower than 1% mortality rate once everything comes out down the road. But, we do know that this virus is pretty nasty and can send people in their 30s/40s to the hospital (let alone the older population). So, even if the mortality rate is 0.5%, the load on our health care system is a major concern. The best we can do is social distance until things start trending in the right direction.

On a sep note, has anyone heard more about doctors re-purposing the normal flu swabs to test for this? It seemed like someone was doing there here in AZ and then nothing more was said. If that works, it seems like a quick way for everyone to start testing more. You could have health care providers/companies setup "pick up" spots or even mail the swab to people on their plan. The family uses the swab and then drops it off in a secured manner to a private lab.

With the message board guy disclaimer, I wouldn't think the antibodies would match using the flu test. What I have heard being done is that a flu test is done first, and if it tests positive, then a coronavirus test is not done.

Our governor entered a stay-at-home order and we had an epic run on the grocery stores, Part 2, as people didn't understand that they're staying open and you can still go to them. Lines around the corner.

Well they're open today but what will tomorrow bring?

Yeah we are about a week ahead of you. It does get better I mean if somebody stocks up on beans than they won't need them the next several weeks and they will be back soon enough. (Except toilet paper, still can't wrap my mind around why its still an issue) However it seems to put a bunch of people together therefore defeating the purpose of the stay at home order.

Fair enough. And when government changes the rules every 24 hours, superseding what they just told us was the well-thought out plan yesterday, it's understandable that people would be skeptical.

I am going on 2 hours on hold with Instacart. Placed an order Saturday night to be picked up today for curbside. Got a message earlier in the day my order wouldn't be ready. I actually would have been shocked if it had been. With the message there is a link to click. I clicked the link and it takes me to the grocers page that shows me my order is still set to be picked up at the original time. I try to manually choose a different day at literally nothing available. So I call the grocery store who is of no help, again no surprise, and they give me the number for Instacart where I am hoping to get some resolution.

When we initially did Walmart online grocery, it said to the effect no timeslots available for pickup (not that there wasn't any food). We tried a day later and it said there was a 2 days later timeslot so we ordered on Sun and picked it up on Tue.

Hint for walmart grocery pickup or delivery that worked for me for pickup:

Currently, Walmart is only doing "Today or Tomorrow" pickup

Preload your groceries, then log on just after midnight (when the new day is added and new times are available) and select your time to complete the order

Im done going out. Went to Wal mart today and was freaking out. Again, I am a type 1 Diabetic, but that hasnt really stopped me. But today, I was unusually panicked. I will not be going back.

Coronavirus is shortening my social media contact list somewhat. If you feel the need to post conspiracy theories about how it's a government plot to distract from Epstein or similar drivel, I feel the need to not be aggravated by your crap anymore. I am still seeing a lot of people being responsible in my area as well. Not all, not enough, but a lot are doing their duty and I'm grateful for that.

Yeah, that's just BS

... but the one about China creating it is feasible :)

Great idea! I just put in a Kroger Pickup order. My 'time' of pickup is Sunday night from 7-8pm. Never tried it before... but it definitely lessened my anxiety about going around a grocery store.

Except it isn't.

Scientists say that there is no genetic evidence of it being man-made or enhanced.

Then we should make sure the Chinese know that also. Until then, its a good conspiracy theory.

I removed most conspiracy theory types a long time ago so i'm good there. One thing I've seen that's caused me to ditch a few more friends is the way some people are talking about their new guns and ammunition purchases. Not that people are doing that,I understand why, but in many of these posts and comment chains there is a noticeable excitement over the possibility of getting to kill people if shit gets bad enough, I'm just not ever going to be okay with that.

After they were received but...the scandal is starting as now the Chinese ambassador is saying in the press that the Spanish government bought them from a company/factory (Shenzhen Bioeasy Biotechnology) not licensed or approved by the Chinese government so the quality was never properly tested. Seems our government screwed up in the attempt to find a shortcut to the lack of offering compared to demand worldwide.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...es-2020-3?IR=T

I really hope it works out, but until they are putting the bags in your car I would temper the enthusiasm.

For Facebook, I'd recommend using the snooze liberally for the crazies you may not want to fully remove. I've snoozed a bunch of my redneck family for 30 days and it has been good for my mental health :)

Why do you guys have so many conspiracy/crazy/gun-nut friends to begin with?

I guess I understand sometimes there's family that can't be avoided.

Some folks come from a far right background. A lot of my family is crazy pro-Trump. They believe everything he says, never considering it to be BS just because he is a Republican.

They are trying to get a balanced view of the issues? One side here, the other side on FB

over 500,000 cases worldwide now, and reported in 190 of 195 countries.

I know it's not an option for everyone but I deleted my Facebook at the beginning of the year and haven't regretted it a bit after the initial adjustment period.

I go on Facebook about once a month.

I love my facebook bubble, I guess it's a rare thing to have. I want see photos and hear about my friends' and families' lives, kids, vacations, dogs. etc. And I want to be able to connect with organizations and charities I care about. And hear about local events. I want to know when a local brewery is having some charity fundraiser, or when Blazing Saddles is playing at the downtown theater, or that my friend got a new dog. I don't follow anything political. A few posts here and there touch on political stuff but it's such a fraction of the facebook experience for me. (I'm sure it helps that I don't have a lot of family and my overall social circle is probably smaller than most too - almost everybody I know, I know on purpose, so no nutjobs.)

Same for me. Deleted mine sometime before Christmas. I have never looked back.

Facebook's the one consistent way to keep in touch with some of my family, so deleting isn't going to happen. I may consider the snooze option in the future for a few though.

or more likely us frankly.

Gilead didn't make the Hep C drug. It was actually found with taxpayer funded research. Gilead just bought the small private company the government gave the taxpayer funded research grant to.

In a same world the country would own the rights to it since we paid for it.

Fair enough. But I think going through Kroger itself would work better than a third party like Instacart (because you get the back and forth you were talking about). And Kroger does have limited slots per hour with it's special parking spaces for Pickup - so hopefully they are limiting it properly.

Worst day to date for France, reporting over 300 casualties.

FWIW you can install facebook messenger without installing facebook proper on your phone or PC. That was my fix for the Facebook blooz.

So out of the blue I start getting texts that my shopper has started and they are getting my order together for later today. My assumption is that they are likely having tech issues leading to poor communication. I don't really care as long as I get my order.

Lathum/Issi and others who are suing the e-shopper route specifically to avoid personal contact.

So ive never doen the buy online pickup in store deal because...well I live in a tiny town that no one offers it.

But I am fascinated by using this specifically to avoid exposure.

Can you share your internal balance of
A) go in the store and potentially encounter numerous people
B) Avoid all those people I am avoiding but let a designated person handle all of my purchases (without my knowledge of how) who is in contact with all those people plus potentially all the pickup people.

Im not tying to bash or question your decision, just genuinely curious if you would expand on your thought process

An actor died. mark Blum from Desperatley Seeking Susan.

How does Hollywoo react?

Doesn't seem likely. Though they did completely screw up the initial response and hose the rest of us. That said, the way we're handling it here - no testing, lots of fake optimism, etc - isn't all that different.


SI

So we've been going that route. Honestly, I handle the product with gloves and wipe down packaging with Lysol when putting away. No method is perfect but I think overall it reduces my possible exposure.

One of our contracts managers hospitalised this afternoon with suspected CV-19. He works from a different office base than me, and I don’t know him well, but it’s getting closer... :(

@cutiger : Transmission via surfaces is a lot less effective than via persons directly. It is possible and surely happens in ideal conditions (short time frame, lots of virus, 'good material' like stainless steel) but the risk is much less.

Especially since really all you need to do to lower that even closer to 0% is wash your hands with soap after handling the goods. It wont transmit via the air from goods. Everything after that initial handling of the goods approaches "well, but a plane could hit my house" territory. Same for delivered food.

You can't wash the virus from your mouth/nose after someone sheds virus from his 'face' to yours, but easily from your hands after touching sth that might (!) have enough virus to infect you.

Neil Ferguson and the Imperial College London model, which previously projected 2.2 million dead in the U.S. and 500k in the U.S. unless the precautions were taken (this was the report that really got governments and private industry moving), now estimates 20k or fewer will die in the UK. This seems to be based on the precautions taken, and the speed of infection and estimated lack of lethality of the virus. They've increased their of estimate how many people an average person will infect (and had already infected before the lockdowns), I think that was a part of the recent Oxford model as well.

USA is now #1 in total cases on Worldometer. And we know the infected is at least 10x that. This thing is spreading like wildfire.

I think on either way, you would want to disinfect the food coming in. After all, you have no idea who has been touching the can of beans you've picked up (the people putting them on the shelves and those touching but not buying). By getting pickup you have one point of contact, where you can protect your face/hands (have them put it in your trunk) and then immediately wash your hands when getting home after disinfecting your food.

Less potential point of contacts than with a supermarket full of people - who you have to try to stand 6 ft away from each individual.

Unless the restrictions came to late ... I find it at least noteworthy the UK and Italy numbers were very similar at the respective time of lockdown. And the UK started this thing with lower capacities for Ventilators than Italy by a decent margin.

He definitely is a proper Expert so wouldnt presume to know better than him :) but it's not like there is a ton of precedent and the recent data is very incomplete even though the UK has 20% more Tests total than Italy had March 9th but still similar enough.

And 20k despite the measures taken is still a whole lot. Still you just know people will claim it was overkill since "thats hardly more than a bad flu year !"

Wikipedia has excellent pages for many countries btw, putting officially available stats in easily digestable tables:

2020 coronavirus pandemic in Italy - Wikipedia

2020 coronavirus pandemic in Italy - Wikipedia

2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States - Wikipedia

2020 coronavirus pandemic in Germany - Wikipedia

I wonder if you are using one of the supermarket's own programs to pick up your food you may be able to avoid having your food put on the checkout belt, which has to be one of the worst contagion vectors in the supermarket (I haven't seen anybody disinfecting those).

Germany has opened up criteria for testing further btw with the increasing capacity, so more positives now for a bit would not be a bad thing necessarily.

And a manufacturer (Bosch) aparently managed to design a self-operating analytical test that tests for Covid, Flu and others in about 2 1/2 hours. More a device to be used in general practices rather than mass testing, but still a good thing.

German firm Bosch to cut coronavirus test time ‘to 2½ hours’

When I was looking into delivery options this is what they told me:

First off, if you have gloves, wear them.
Remove everything from the bags
Throw away bags.
Wash hands.
Put groceries away (perishable items first)
Wash hands again


the thing you have to worry about with delivery and that kinda thing is that you touch a surface that may be infect then touch your face to transmit it. It doesn't last long on exposed surfaces but still, better safe than sorry.

Our grocery store was spraying down everything after each customer. They set up a black line so you couldn't put your groceries on the conveyer till the other person was done. They also had a big sneeze guard up to protect the cashier.

The risk from contact is much less than it is from person-to-person. These viruses are weak and transferring from a hand to a box to a conveyer belt to a cashier to a bagger and to you is slim. Just wash your hands after touching containers you bring into the house. Like if I make a frozen dinner, I take it out of the box, throw out the box, and wash my hands.

If you're shopping still like me, just keep a distance from people. That's how you catch this. Everyone at the store by me was real patient with people. Waiting on someone in an aisle before grabbing something on a shelf close by. If you do that, you should be fine.

Not for this disease ... It's dangerous and spreads fast, but it's not the virus from "Contagion" either. In the big scheme of things transmissions going from "face to hand to surface to hand to face" will make up a small percentage (despite everybody touching a million things a day). And now you are adding another Transmission where it has to survive going from a product to the checkout belt to another product.

This isnt how this sort of virus spreads thankfully or we would be having a much different scenario right now and not one i hope we'll ever see ...

I honestly wouldn't be that much stock in the total cases, or what proportion that is of the full extent of the spread, etc. Testing is going differently in each country and even within countries. I.e. we are ramping up our testing in the US, so at any one particularly time I think it's not possible to have any kind of accurate guesstimate as to how many more there are out there that we don't know about.

I'm still watching the info on the hospitals and the overall deaths. Until that starts going down, we aren't past the worst of it. We're not doing as badly on that front as I thought we would be by now, but I can't draw any firm conclusions as to why yet.

Some suggestions from within Italy that the number of deaths is actually higher as if it was not bad enough :( The number of deaths for February and March in a lot of towns and cities apparently a lot higher than previous years with a considerable gap not filled by official Covid19 deaths. Some smaller town are f.e. has about 35 for both months usually but 150 this year yet only 30 officially from Covid19.

Could definitely be a bit higher and not unreasonable to think that people dying alone in the coutryside never get diagnosed properly even now with how overburdened everything is...

Looking at those deviations from the average is pretty much how the numbers for the seasonal flu are calculated btw ...

So was looking at the worldmeter and shows US 83k infected and only 1200 deaths but more concerning it only shows 1200 recovered of the 83k and 80k active cases. So looks like in the next week to 10 days we are fixing to see how bad this gets. Hopefully most recover but still hard to say.

Recovered might not be properly tracked, especially those that never need hospital admission and are merely send home and told to stay inside. The authorities dont have the time for it over here despite the Situation being ok overall and i doubt they are better staffed in, say, New York.

Edit: and yeah, what molson said.

It takes at least two weeks to consider someone "recovered", and two weeks ago, there was only something like 1,600 reported cases in the U.S., and they were only testing people who met very specific conditions (including people who were being hospitalized). The recovered numbers will pick up once we get two weeks+ from when testing increased.

I stopped doing Instacart last week. Just not worth it. Annoying thing now is I’m delivering amazon packages and I really just wanna snap “stay the fuck inside” at all the people who want to get it from your hand.

I may file for unemployment, but have to assess the situation. Haven’t done an Uber ride in 4 weeks and the food delivery apps get totally tedious. I’m basically down like 50% on money or more and it’s becoming more unsafe.

What Molson said on the recovered stat. People die relatively faster than they recover, because if you die it usually doesn't take that long (morbid, but I don't know a better way to say it).

It gets real bad when the hospitals get overrun. Just a matter of time here. China consolidated it to Wuhan mostly but we are going to have like 15 Wuhans in a couple weeks.

Spain now officially in Italy territory :(. 700+ today.

From what I have read about transmission it is FAR more likely you will get it from droplets as opposed to surface contact. I would rather have one person, the shopper, handle my items than walk around a store with X other people and take the chance someone sneezed or coughed in the aisle I am about to walk in.

The reality is someone is touching those items several times, so you are never going to be 100% safe but the less exposure to other humans IMO the better.

Once the shopper started getting my items it was super easy. I get the sense things are still happening but the communication can't keep up. She also delivered it for me earning a fat tip, worked out great for everyone.

Birx is saying model predictions is not matching the facts on the ground and they are trying to understand why.

I took this to mean model is predicting much worse than what they've seen. Bad as Italy is, its not as bad as what the model predicted.

Will have to read more post-press conference to understand more.

Interesting tidbit from Fauci, they are going to (try) start vaccine production even if the vaccine trials are not completely proven yet. Because if/when they are proven, they want to get that jump start (but there is a risk it was for naught).

Fauci is talking about random control trials with therapies. Good that they are trying to push this info out.

The pattern is so far:

• Trump talks his BS and takes some questions
• Pence thanks everybody and passes it to Birx
• Birx & Fauci gives the real important info

I cant see how it could be any worse than substantially more people dying from one disease every day than usually die from all other cases combined (For lombardy region, rest of italy was less contaminated at lockdown) and hospitals having to let 2 out of 3 people just die without actually treating them.

So my only guess is the model assumed a lombardy-type overload for all Italy and they managed to avoid it (barely) for now. Or they modeled cases in which case its tough to say how many are infected but not tested.

For the delivery services, how do they handle expiration dates? Do they pay attention to them at all? Or am I at the whim of the person selecting?

Stepped into town for the first time in 9 days for my yearly skin cancer checkup and felt suuuuper weird ... Really little traffic to the point i felt stupid waiting at red lights as a pedestrian where usually theres a continous line of cars. And every store still open (all offering mainly food/produce) has protective measurements like makeshift 'windo barriers' and customer limits. But i was the onky customer anyway at all 3 i went to.

I go outside a lot still (we have a "contact Prohibition" not a limit going outside per se) but since i work from home now i usually stay in my neighborhood which is usually not busy anyway. So this was really weird

To me the important numbers are the numbers of hospitalizations, number of people on intensive care and number that died. That's where the pressure on the hospitals is that must be contained. And even there, not every country has the same health system and/or the same capacity per x thousand people.

The other numbers (positive tests and recoveries) are like apples to oranges to grapes to bananas to pineapples to tomatoes to blueberries to ... (you get the point).

France had 350 deaths today as well up from 100 4 days ago ... They have a strict lockdown, but that will need at least another 2 weeks to make up for the high number of undetected cases (who all got locked in with healty people) and all the bad cases that were infected 2-3 weeks ago so i fear they reach Italy/Spain in a few days ... They barely tested and still dont test a ton last i checked so their number cant be taken seriously.

No idea. My assumption is there is usually a return mechanism in placee.

Here are some quotes from Birx at today's briefing.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...hnk/index.html

I don't trust Birx. She seems to be a little to on board the trump train.

Re: cruise lines and not being US companies. I don't know why Trump wants to let them now incorporate in the US to get aid since they've not been paying the taxes they would have been.

I know they hire a lot of US employees but wouldn't it be better to let them go bust and then have a company (US, Europe, Asia) buy them and then put it back together again?

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...hnk/index.html

Yes, I can see that happening (whereas not with Fauci). Keep in mind she did say the "model" was not syncing up with reality on the ground and they were trying to figure it out.

Check out this animation of unemployment claims since 1967.

This took all of a week and a half to hit the fan.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut...ne_this_weeks/

.

[OC] To show just how insane this week's unemployment numbers are, I animated initial unemployment insurance claims from 1967 until now. These numbers are just astonishing. from r/dataisbeautiful

That 70% percent thing has been twisted around so much and i am a bit baffled someone like Birx is doing it as well. I understood that it is simply the number at which the virus would naturally go to an R0 rate of 1 or lower (each person infecting at most 1 other on average) due to enough immunity in the populace. I dont think it was ever intended to indicate this would happen continously and infect that number in a set amount of time, just that it would happen eventually if no one ever did sth about it.
much less 2-3 months ... And especially not now that contacts are limited (i mean, the sporting events and concerts alone are a Shit ton) people are quarantined etc and travel between states presumably limited (?). Which is the whole point why you do these things.

And it should be no surprise it hasn't been spreading everywhere equally as way less infected will ever have gone there or arrived from abroad (compared to say New York or California).

I think it is important to tell people things will be fine every once in a while, but can't help but feel it would be prudent right now to keep people alert when all current numbers merely reflect the Situation from 10 days ago,more for the deaths. I mean, even if only 10% get it that's 33 mio it would result in a lot of hospitalisations within a very short time frame.

You're a damn wizard pilotman!

Mikael Thalen on Twitter: "This shows the location data of phones that were on a Florida beach during Spring Break. It then shows where those phones traveled.

First thing you should note is the importance of social distancing. The second is how much data your phone gives off. https://t.co/iokUX3qjeB"

The video embedded in this tweet is fascinating.


EDIT: i'm used to Discord and Slack where a link to a tweet will show the contents in chat. How do you properly get this tweet to embed/show up here?

Yeah, I talked with my friend who recovered. He and his wife recovered on March 23 and began symptoms on around March 15. He said the tracking group was going to check again with his wife on March 30 (she was the only one tested). So, she wouldn't show up until next week on the "recovered" numbers.

I really think the fact that we are as spread out, we drive as many cars as we do and mass transit isn't as big is really helping the US hospitalization rates. It seems a lot easier for us to avoid being around people than places like Italy, Spain and France. I still think places like NY will get hit hard - but most of middle America may be able to spread things out better than Europe.

Yeah not buying it. Reports from New York and Atlanta are that we're almost there. Cuomo is talking about the whole ventilator-splitting procedure being necessary. I think it's irresponsible not to be talking about this while trying to prevent. Seems inevitable to some degree that this is going to be a thing.

That and I think that the rest of middle America and other towns are a solid 2-3 weeks behind NY in terms of infection spread. I hope your limited optimism bears out.

Will take another 2-3 weeks to see if they are merely delayed, depending on when they started social distancing measures. New York is just such a hub for visitors, makes sense it is the epicenter and ahead of the curve.

Even here there are big differences. F.e. the ones with more total and per capita cases can all be explained by lots of vacations in Italy and Austria (one of the big ski ressort areas is a Hotspot) and them having big carnival parades and event.
And now there is a clear south/west to north/east direction with it becoming less spread as you go north and east. With the exception of Berlin and Hamburg who attract a ton of visitors.

It is their job to make sure it is the case or assure them they are doing whatever necessary, not to assure them it is. I'd be livid if Merkel said that

Pet-peeve from my neighborhood: People who are walking their dogs off-leash during all of this are buttholes, for so many reasons.

I found this interesting and did a quick search to see how much testing had been done in each state. I found this from politico:

https://www.politico.com/interactive...-of-new-cases/

I assume her claim on "low rates" meant the number infected versus the number tested? If so, there might be a couple states that are trending to lower rates, but there are also quite a few of the ones she cited as under 200 cases that based on the numbers tested are running at similar rates with California (around 4% of the tests coming back positive). Maybe she is considering that low? Not sure what criteria she is using. There are also several states with relatively low number of positive cases (at least compared to New York) that are approaching a similar rate or even higher than New York (Georgia, Maryland, Arizona, Missouri, South Carolina, Arkansas, Delaware, etc.).

My conclusion would be that you can't read much into this, as the data is too inconsistent because the criteria for testing varies so much from state to state. Delaware for example has 130 positives in 166 tests. Based on the Birx conclusions, are we to assume that 78% of Delaware is infected? Seems kind of silly to me. I think the same can be said for the opposite end of the spectrum.

We've tested less than .2% of the population. We can't make any definitive statements based on that little data.

I agree. I’m going the other way than some others in that I think some places have had it for a while and social distancing is helping, but it is still spreading in a lot of places. The next 3-4 weeks will help make things a little clearer.

COVID-19 patients average time on ventilator: 11 - 21 days (vs. 3 - 4 days for non-COVID-19 patients). "We have patients that have been 20 days 30 days on a ventilator. The longer you are on a ventilator, the more likely you are not going get off a ventilator"

From the Cuomo presser aparently (via worldometer)

Just to illustrate why these beds fill up over time. And once they are full, people start dying in higher numbers because you can't treat everybody. It also shows why even if there are enough, it's not something to wish on anybody.

On Mon, CNN was reporting that US hit a milestone of more than 100+ deaths.
On Tue, CNN is reporting 163 deaths.
On Wed, CNN is reporting 216 deaths for total of 921

For Thu, I didn't find a daily mortality # so went to Foxnews which said 1,178 dead. Neither seem to be showing the daily count anymore.

So for Thu, 1178 - 921 = 257


Beats me what all this means but the mortality % increase is slowing from the very limited history so far. Doubt it means much at this time.