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RainMaker 02-21-2017 09:44 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/204191/pu...publicans.aspx

RainMaker 02-21-2017 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panerd (Post 3146792)
We really doing this again?

2001-2008:
Team A: "George W Bush sure does go to his ranch a lot."
Team B: "9-11! OMG! He is the greatest ever!"

2008:2016:
Team B: "Obama sure spends a lot of time on vacation. Look at all the costs!"
Team A: "OMG! He is the greatest ever!"

2017:
Team A: "Another weekend spent golfing while on vacation."
Team B: "OMG!..."

I know it's different this time right?


I think it's brought up because he was one of the most vocal complainers of Obama playing golf and vacationing.





mckerney 02-21-2017 10:04 PM

Trump hiring freeze forces suspension of military child care programs

Quote:

On January 23, Trump announced a hiring freeze for federal workers. While the freeze included exemptions for those “working in the military” and other national security positions, members of the Armed Forces are feeling the effects.

At least two Army bases are suspending childcare programs, citing staff shortages related to the hiring freeze.

In Fort Knox, Kentucky, garrison commander Col. Stephen Aiton sent a memo on February 17 immediately suspending new enrollment in the childcare program. He also announced that hourly and part-day services would be eliminated at the end of the month “until further notice.” Those part-day services includes preschool.

Aiton explained that “due to the federal hiring freeze” the facility was “prevented from bringing on new caregivers” to replace those that are leaving. The freeze is making it a challenge to provide “quality childcare,” Alton wrote.

CrimsonFox 02-21-2017 11:12 PM

Breibart.fired.Milo

Mizzou B-ball fan 02-22-2017 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3146913)
Breibart.fired.Milo


Maher's interview this week on his show was fantastic. I had heard he got some heat for bringing him on the show, but I agree with Maher that just seeing Milo's mannerisms and how he spoke during the interview to Maher and to the crowd was very enlightening. I don't always agree with Maher, but I love that he brings all the extreme conservatives on his show and just lets them hang themselves in front of a national audience. The extreme liberals often do the same, with the only difference being that he talks them back from the edge every once in awhile.

Mizzou B-ball fan 02-22-2017 08:57 PM

dola

One of my good friends is in the bottom left of this photo. He was invited to a small business meeting with other business owners to talk with VP Pence. Pretty exciting moment for him.


kingfc22 02-23-2017 03:09 PM

According to Spicer, States should decide policy on transgender issues, but the Federal government should decide policy on marijuana.

Got it. :rolleyes:

Drake 02-23-2017 04:40 PM

Could someone spell out for me the argument in favor of the coal-ash-in-streams repeal? It reasons against seem self-evident, but other than "job creation", I'm not sure what people in my neck of the woods (Indiana) are seeing as such a positive here.

I understand that part of it is anti-regulatory sentiment...but I'm assuming there's a legitimate bone to pick somewhere between the coal industry and the extent of the regulations beyond just "Yay, we can dump coal ash in streams again!!"

Atocep 02-23-2017 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 3147153)
Could someone spell out for me the argument in favor of the coal-ash-in-streams repeal? It reasons against seem self-evident, but other than "job creation", I'm not sure what people in my neck of the woods (Indiana) are seeing as such a positive here.

I understand that part of it is anti-regulatory sentiment...but I'm assuming there's a legitimate bone to pick somewhere between the coal industry and the extent of the regulations beyond just "Yay, we can dump coal ash in streams again!!"



It's about jobs. West Virginia's economy is collapsing because the loss of coal jobs and the state has done little to help the heavy coal areas in southern WV move on with a viable economic alternative. This has led to huge spikes in drug use and drug related deaths in the area.

My family, which is heavy Democrat in most beliefs, was willing to vote for whoever promised to make coal viable again because of the impact its had on the area they live in.

They understand its bad for the environment, but in an area with little to no other options they're willing to allow another generation to have to figure out if it means immediate improvement.

Edward64 02-23-2017 04:59 PM

I'm all for tax reform and am looking forward to seeing the details.

Mnuchin says Trump tax overhaul could happen by August - LA Times
Quote:

The Trump administration wants to overhaul the tax code by August, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Thursday, laying out an aggressive timetable in his first significant public comments since taking office last week.

In a series of interviews, Mnuchin also said that the rally in the stock market rally since President Trump’s election was a vote of confidence in the new administration.

And he said he was seriously considering whether the Treasury Department should issue much longer-term securities — maturing in 50 or even 100 years — which could reduce government debt payments by locking in the current low interest rates.

But Mnuchin’s first goal is to push for a tax overhaul, which he said is key to boosting economic growth to 3% annually or higher, from the lackluster 2% level in recent years.

“Our economic agenda, the No. 1 issue is growth, and the first most important thing that will impact growth is a tax plan,” Mnuchin said in an interview with CNBC.

“So we are committed to pass tax reform,” he said. “We want to get this done by the August recess.”

The House and Senate are scheduled to begin their August recesses on July 29.

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal published Thursday, Mnuchin admitted that passing complex tax legislation in less than six months was “an ambitious timeline” that the administration and Congress might not be able to meet.

Drake 02-23-2017 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3147154)
It's about jobs. West Virginia's economy is collapsing because the loss of coal jobs and the state has done little to help the heavy coal areas in southern WV move on with a viable economic alternative. This has led to huge spikes in drug use and drug related deaths in the area.

My family, which is heavy Democrat in most beliefs, was willing to vote for whoever promised to make coal viable again because of the impact its had on the area they live in.

They understand its bad for the environment, but in an area with little to no other options they're willing to allow another generation to have to figure out if it means immediate improvement.


Okay. I can see this argument in West Virginia and Pennsylvania. I'm a bit confused by all of the Indiana support I'm seeing in my news feed. I mean, we have coal mines, but I don't consider it a major part of our economy...and I theoretically live in what would be the closest thing we've got to coal country.

The profile of the cheer squad tends to also be the pro-hunt and fish/outdoorsmen/second amendment guys...who generally aren't like environmental activists, but they're very solid proponents of responsible use and conservation.

So either they're completely blinded by partisan nose-thumbing (which is possible in some cases), but in general, it leads me to assume that there's something I'm missing. But I can't get anybody to say anything other than "more jobs"...despite the fact that none of them seem to be in line to get (or want) coal mining jobs.

I almost feel like people with reservations are afraid to talk this one out because they're afraid of being accused of being a snowflake (at least publicly...may be time for a beer-and-range-time get together to find out what they're really thinking).

Drake 02-23-2017 05:13 PM

Don't mistake me here: I'm not all go-environmental-superpowers on this issue. I spent $20k to replace my well last November. If some coal mining outfit poisons my groundwater because they're not being conscientious about the impacts, that's what I'm going to care about.

And I'm going to get compensated for that 20k or I'm going to take 20k worth of equity plus whatever it's going to cost me to haul water in from that point forward out of your operation in one fashion or another until our losses are even.

But that's me. I'm kind of an asshole that way. (In the same way that I supply half of my power through solar...not because of the environmental benefits, but because I've got an ROI of about 7 years, and after that it's pure savings.)

Radii 02-23-2017 05:32 PM

FBI refused White House request to knock down recent Trump-Russia stories


The White House's attempts to control and undermine the media remain a truly scary thing to me.


Quote:

The direct communications between the White House and the FBI were unusual because of decade-old restrictions on such contacts. Such a request from the White House is a violation of procedures that limit communications with the FBI on pending investigations.

I have no idea how big a deal that is. /shurg

RainMaker 02-23-2017 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3147155)
I'm all for tax reform and am looking forward to seeing the details.

Mnuchin says Trump tax overhaul could happen by August - LA Times


Rich people will pay less in taxes. Debt will grow higher. That's the plan. Trump outlined it in the campaign.

JPhillips 02-23-2017 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3147154)
It's about jobs. West Virginia's economy is collapsing because the loss of coal jobs and the state has done little to help the heavy coal areas in southern WV move on with a viable economic alternative. This has led to huge spikes in drug use and drug related deaths in the area.

My family, which is heavy Democrat in most beliefs, was willing to vote for whoever promised to make coal viable again because of the impact its had on the area they live in.

They understand its bad for the environment, but in an area with little to no other options they're willing to allow another generation to have to figure out if it means immediate improvement.


The sad thing is that the coal jobs are gone because coal is economically on par with natural gas, and if Trump reduces regulations on fracking, gas will likely be cheaper.

Edward64 02-23-2017 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3147161)
Rich people will pay less in taxes. Debt will grow higher. That's the plan. Trump outlined it in the campaign.


Rich people will pay more. Not sure about Debt if there is cost cutting and economic growth. I am interested in proposed plans for corporate, border taxes.

NobodyHere 02-23-2017 06:19 PM

What makes you think rich people will pay more?

RainMaker 02-23-2017 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3147168)
Rich people will pay more. Not sure about Debt if there is cost cutting and economic growth. I am interested in proposed plans for corporate, border taxes.


Under what plan will they pay more? His plan is right here. It's a cut of over 14% for the top income tax bracket.

The proposed plan for corporate taxes is to lower the rate to 15% and give businesses a 10% holiday to repatriate income.

And where are you cutting costs from? Especially when Trump has stated he wants to expand the military and institute a trillion dollar infrastructure plan (which isn't really an infrastructure plan but a corporate welfare plan).

Drake 02-23-2017 06:31 PM

Print more money?

Edward64 02-23-2017 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3147169)
What makes you think rich people will pay more?


Oh sorry, rich people will pay less.

Edward64 02-23-2017 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3147170)
And where are you cutting costs from? Especially when Trump has stated he wants to expand the military and institute a trillion dollar infrastructure plan (which isn't really an infrastructure plan but a corporate welfare plan).


There's plenty of places of cut costs. It comes down to who gets the crappy end of it and/or how much pain affected people will have to bear.

AENeuman 02-23-2017 09:35 PM

I have no doubt trumps base approves of him so far. I wonder how effective he really needs to be. I'm sure his base loves the Obamacare repeal, building the wall, keeping radicals out, drilling for oil, saving babies despite (so far) the lack of legislation to make it real. But is that enough? I suspect most of his declarations do not have much impact on his base, so a toothless EO is nearly the same as law: most don't have private insurance, don't see many illegals or Muslims, and gas is cheap and babies are born. The poor rust belts folks are real, and need real change, but I'm sure there are fewer of them than well off trump voters. Besides, even if it doesn't get better, the media and courts have already been set up to be the reason.

I guess I'm just surprised how many times I've heard that an action by trump is overturning an Obama action i never knew about. trumps ability to control/create the narrivite is so powerful, I'm not sure effective it really needs to be.

JPhillips 02-23-2017 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3147180)
There's plenty of places of cut costs. It comes down to who gets the crappy end of it and/or how much pain affected people will have to bear.


Trump's tax plan alone was scored at about a trillion a year. There isn't enough to cut unless he plans on deep cuts to SS and/or Medicare, and he promised not to cut those.

RainMaker 02-23-2017 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3147180)
There's plenty of places of cut costs. It comes down to who gets the crappy end of it and/or how much pain affected people will have to bear.


Cut costs where? Most of our budget goes into Medicare, Social Security, Defense, and paying back debt. Trump has stated numerous times he will not cut Medicare or Social Security. He has also stated he wants to increase defense spending by a lot.

So again, where are the cuts coming from and how can they possibly make up for the increases in spending he wants to make in defense and infrastructure along with the decrease in tax revenue?

Honolulu_Blue 02-23-2017 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 3147036)
Maher's interview this week on his show was fantastic. I had heard he got some heat for bringing him on the show, but I agree with Maher that just seeing Milo's mannerisms and how he spoke during the interview to Maher and to the crowd was very enlightening. I don't always agree with Maher, but I love that he brings all the extreme conservatives on his show and just lets them hang themselves in front of a national audience. The extreme liberals often do the same, with the only difference being that he talks them back from the edge every once in awhile.


No.

Edward64 02-23-2017 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3147194)
Cut costs where? Most of our budget goes into Medicare, Social Security, Defense, and paying back debt. Trump has stated numerous times he will not cut Medicare or Social Security. He has also stated he wants to increase defense spending by a lot.

So again, where are the cuts coming from and how can they possibly make up for the increases in spending he wants to make in defense and infrastructure along with the decrease in tax revenue?


He has said many things that I felt were BS. However, he is in a different stage now. Let's give him a chance to do/propose what he says he will do and I don't think entitlements are off the table.

Bottom line - we should know by now to not believe what he says but lets see what he actually proposes to congress.

digamma 02-24-2017 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3147180)
There's plenty of places of cut costs. It comes down to who gets the crappy end of it and/or how much pain affected people will have to bear.


But, just so we're beginning at the same starting point, this isn't what Trump has said. He's said that his tax plan will be revenue neutral. The proposed budget isn't based on cutting costs.

This gets you to the discussion of a few pages ago, that to lower taxes and be revenue neutral, growth has to take off. If you use the CBO's forecast numbers, the math doesn't work, so the White House will have be convincing that its own numbers are better and to be trusted.

Or they can win, you know, a party line vote.

stevew 02-24-2017 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3147194)
Cut costs where? Most of our budget goes into Medicare, Social Security, Defense, and paying back debt. Trump has stated numerous times he will not cut Medicare or Social Security. He has also stated he wants to increase defense spending by a lot.

So again, where are the cuts coming from and how can they possibly make up for the increases in spending he wants to make in defense and infrastructure along with the decrease in tax revenue?


Straight cash economic growth, homie. It will be tremendous!

Ben E Lou 02-24-2017 06:33 AM

The President Of The United States is hate-tweeting the FBI this morning.

Easy Mac 02-24-2017 06:49 AM

He can't be dumb enough to not see the irony in his constant decrying of leaks, right?

Kodos 02-24-2017 08:10 AM

I think Hillary should hold a press conference to extol the leaks and ask Russia for more.

JPhillips 02-24-2017 11:41 AM

Trump at CPAC:

Quote:

Now I've been watching and nobody says it but Obamacare doesn't work, folks.

Does he really believe he's the first person courageous enough to speak out against Obamacare?

CrescentMoonie 02-24-2017 12:17 PM

Harambe is more cognitively sound than Cheeto right now.

Easy Mac 02-24-2017 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3147248)
Trump at CPAC:



Does he really believe he's the first person courageous enough to speak out against Obamacare?


If nobody has been saying that it doesn't work, doesn't that mean it does work, so that repealing it is idiotic?

SteveM58 02-24-2017 12:27 PM

Of the numerous things that Trump rails on about...his criticisms of the FBI and CIA are some of the least objectionable to me.

JonInMiddleGA 02-24-2017 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3147248)
Does he really believe he's the first person courageous enough to speak out against Obamacare?


First one willing & able to do something about it would be the (seemingly) obvious qualifier here.

Easy Mac 02-24-2017 01:06 PM

except he can't do anything, its up to Congress.

digamma 02-24-2017 01:54 PM

After the Constitutional Convention he will be able to do anything the eff he wants. Keep up.

JonInMiddleGA 02-24-2017 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3147256)
except he can't do anything, its up to Congress.


Presidents influence Congress -- or legislative priorities if you prefer -- that's a rather long-standing accepted reality (or at least I thought it was).

Me? I'm just happy someone with a rather sizable pulpit is willing to speak against such an abominable & utterly indefensible piece of legislation. You're free to be unhappy about it if you so choose.

kingfc22 02-24-2017 02:08 PM

Next achievement unlocked on the Dictatorship Checklist: Ban the Media

Log In - New York Times

mckerney 02-24-2017 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3147264)
Next achievement unlocked on the Dictatorship Checklist: Ban the Media

Log In - New York Times


Spicey needs his safe space.

larrymcg421 02-24-2017 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3147264)
Next achievement unlocked on the Dictatorship Checklist: Ban the Media

Log In - New York Times


Counting down for the inevitable posts about how this is exactly the same as what Obama did to Fox News and we're all hypocrites for not complaining about it then.

10
9
8
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JPhillips 02-24-2017 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3147263)
Presidents influence Congress -- or legislative priorities if you prefer -- that's a rather long-standing accepted reality (or at least I thought it was).

Me? I'm just happy someone with a rather sizable pulpit is willing to speak against such an abominable & utterly indefensible piece of legislation. You're free to be unhappy about it if you so choose.


If you strike this down, single payer will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

Easy Mac 02-24-2017 03:42 PM

So who else here has made some big money as a paid protester? So far I've made $11k in just over a month.

Just putting this here so that it hopefully ends up in search results for conspiracy searchers

Ben E Lou 02-24-2017 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3147278)
Just putting this here so that it hopefully ends up in search results for conspiracy searchers

:lol:

SteveM58 02-24-2017 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3147278)
So who else here has made some big money as a paid protester? So far I've made $11k in just over a month.

Just putting this here so that it hopefully ends up in search results for conspiracy searchers


Am paid protester :D

Atocep 02-24-2017 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3147278)

Just putting this here so that it hopefully ends up in search results for conspiracy searchers


Exactly what I'd expect from a paid protester.

Kodos 02-24-2017 04:06 PM

Easy money!

Easy Mac 02-24-2017 06:50 PM

It's actually hard. I've had to travel to 7 different states. It's actually cost me 13k just for travel and rooms. Good thing I don't have a full time job outside of this. And since it's slush money, no taxes, so I get to keep my Obamacare/phone/WIC/stamps/disabilty/unemployment/madeupstuff.

again, this is for Wayne LaPierre's eyes

Easy Mac 02-24-2017 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3147284)
Exactly what I'd expect from a paid protester.


Or is that exactly what you'd expect from someone pretending to be a paid protester.


sabotai 02-24-2017 07:19 PM

I was thinking of becoming a paid protester, but after looking at the numbers, my pay from Al Gore for spreading AGW propaganda online is still higher.

RainMaker 02-24-2017 09:47 PM

Wall is to start in El Paso. Does Congress have to approve funding for it?

Trump border wall to start in El Paso, 2 sites in Arizona, California

Atocep 02-24-2017 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3147310)
Wall is to start in El Paso. Does Congress have to approve funding for it?


Yes, though he could probably pull funds from somewhere else in the homeland security budget to at least start it. He'd need congress to give him money at some point.

Atocep 02-24-2017 10:11 PM

What are the odds the wall is ever finished?

Easy Mac 02-24-2017 10:12 PM

So this is hell.

Easy Mac 02-24-2017 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3147311)
Yes, though he could probably pull funds from somewhere else in the homeland security budget to at least start it. He'd need congress to give him money at some point.


So he'll essentially make America less secure in order to build a useless structure. Makes sense.

RainMaker 02-24-2017 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3147312)
What are the odds the wall is ever finished?


A wall across the whole border? I'd say slim to none. I think they'll patch up some areas and build some walls in trouble areas and claim they "built the wall".

bronconick 02-24-2017 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3147312)
What are the odds the wall is ever finished?


2%

Radii 02-25-2017 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3147316)
2%


I think that's high if we're literally talking about a wall covering the entire border.

Edward64 02-25-2017 12:13 AM

I think one way or another a Trump wall will be built. Regardless of what the wall turns out to be (complete end-to-end wall or partial wall), he'll explain it away if needed and claim victory anyway.

I'll bet its higher than 2%.

Let's get started! I want to see how this turns out.

stevew 02-25-2017 01:19 AM

Phase one of the wall is supposedly 26 or so miles. Which I immediately had the semi racist thought that Mexico was going to start challenging the Kenyan's stronghold on the Olympic Marathon.

Chief Rum 02-25-2017 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3147325)
Phase one of the wall is supposedly 26 or so miles. Which I immediately had the semi racist thought that Mexico was going to start challenging the Kenyan's stronghold on the Olympic Marathon.


So last September, I ran the Long Beach Marathon and about half way through strained my knee and had to walk the rest. The back end of the marathon was being run back along the path toward the finish line. And the first place guy was coming along the other way not long after I hurt my knee. Sure enough, it was a Kenyan or Nigerian runner.

I briefly debated the merits of crossing the rope to the other path and diving at his knees. Pathetically, though, I was pretty sure I would miss on the bum knee.

digamma 02-25-2017 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3147327)
Sure enough, it was a Kenyan or Nigerian runner.



Wrong side of the continent.

Shkspr 02-25-2017 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3147325)
Phase one of the wall is supposedly 26 or so miles. Which I immediately had the semi racist thought that Mexico was going to start challenging the Kenyan's stronghold on the Olympic Marathon.


Hey, when the wall gets to 60 miles or so, watch out.

Chief Rum 02-25-2017 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3147328)
Wrong side of the continent.


Correct. I was thinking Ethiopian.

mckerney 02-25-2017 04:22 PM

Okla. AG's office confirms Pruitt used private email for state business

Quote:

It is not illegal to use a private email account for state business, as long as those records are included in searches for public documents.

However, the revelation is in direct conflict with Pruitt’s written and oral testimony before the Senate Environment and Public Works (EPW) Committee during the confirmation process. Pruitt, who is now the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, told lawmakers he had never used private email for state business.

Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., asked Pruitt directly, “Have you ever conducted business using your personal email accounts, nonofficial Oklahoma attorney general email accounts, text messages, instant messenger, voicemails, or any other medium?”

“I use only my official OAG [Office of the Attorney General] email address and government-issued phone to conduct official business,” Pruitt replied.

Lock him up?

CrescentMoonie 02-25-2017 04:57 PM

Who is Nils Bildt?

Fox News literally called someone a Swedish Defense and National Security Advisor despite nobody in the Swedish government having any idea who he is. Apparently this was done solely to feed the narrative to their idiot viewers that Trump's comments weren't as bad as they really were.

PilotMan 02-25-2017 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3147359)


It's just OK, no one really cares about a state full of earthquakes.

Easy Mac 02-26-2017 09:45 AM

An old high school friend told Nancy Pelosi to get off TV and go to church this AM. I guess she was on a morning show.

Doesn't that just mean the FB friend was just watching TV and not at church at the same time?

Easy Mac 02-26-2017 06:52 PM

So Trump eats well done steaks with ketchup? I think that should piss off his base more than if he gave a hug to a Muslim Mexican illegal.

bronconick 02-26-2017 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3147471)
So Trump eats well done steaks with ketchup? I think that should piss off his base more than if he gave a hug to a Muslim Mexican illegal.


It's the most disgusting thing about him I've heard of yet.

NobodyHere 02-26-2017 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3147471)
So Trump eats well done steaks with ketchup? I think that should piss off his base more than if he gave a hug to a Muslim Mexican illegal.


#NotMyPresident

Julio Riddols 02-26-2017 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3147471)
So Trump eats well done steaks with ketchup? I think that should piss off his base more than if he gave a hug to a Muslim Mexican illegal.


He has the refinement of a 6 year old, it makes sense.

larrymcg421 02-27-2017 03:12 PM

The ketchup part doesn't bother me at all, because if you order it medium well or higher, then you might as well smother it in ketchup or some kind of sauce.

kingfc22 02-27-2017 04:07 PM

And healthcare is complicated. Who knew?

In other news, the sky is blue.

bbgunn 02-27-2017 08:33 PM

Dubya says the media is “indispensable to democracy" and questions need to be answered regarding the Trump administration's connections to Russia, and now people are calling Bush a "leftist", part of the "establishment" and an Obama supporter. My oh my.

George W. Bush undercuts Donald Trump after staying silent on Barack Obama - Washington Times

Groundhog 02-28-2017 04:21 AM

Left without comment...



Easy Mac 02-28-2017 05:24 AM

Evidently he says in a Fox News interview that Obama is organizing the protests and leaks (with possibly the most "leading" question ever). I feel like if you phrased it right, you could get him to agree that mole people live under the white house.


Easy Mac 02-28-2017 07:31 AM

See guys, segregation was really just proto-school choice.

adam harris on Twitter: "Inbox: @BetsyDeVosED statement on today's meeting with HBCU leaders https://t.co/J7SvKFjlcB"

How is this our government in 2017?

JPhillips 02-28-2017 07:43 AM

Colored only water fountains were an example of America's entrepreneurial spirit!

Ryche 02-28-2017 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 3147688)
Left without comment...




She had just taken a photo of the group with her phone.

Marc Vaughan 02-28-2017 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryche (Post 3147708)
She had just taken a photo of the group with her phone.


Yeah tbh checking if a photo is decent is something everyone does surely ?

(much as I detest her approach to media relations etc. - I don't see any scandal here)

Easy Mac 02-28-2017 09:39 AM

I find it disturbing that she's sitting on the couch like a 7 year old girl. You're in the Presiden't office.

molson 02-28-2017 09:40 AM

Ya, let's just focus on the illegal conduct of the administration and not worry so much about someone checking kneeling on a sofa and checking their phone. Remember when some Republicans got in a tizzy when Obama was photographed with his feet on the oval office desk? If you're followed around almost 24/7 you're going to have casual non camera-friendly moments. I think we're going to see a LOT of those this administration when the media has no reason to show the respect that they might usually show for the office.

lungs 02-28-2017 09:52 AM

Yeah, I think I'm a little more worried about the $54 billion defense spending increase he wants. How much fucking money do we need to spend on "defense"?

Ben E Lou 02-28-2017 10:20 AM

Trump's guests tonight will be families of people killed by illegals, indicating that there will be a focus on justifying those areas of his policies.

I have no idea the answer to this, and don't have time to look it up the rest of today; how does the murder rate among undocumented immigrants compare to the general population and to those with similar income?

Kodos 02-28-2017 10:24 AM

Hate Conway, but who really gives a crap about how she sits on the couch?

Easy Mac 02-28-2017 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3147724)
Hate Conway, but who really gives a crap about how she sits on the couch?


Its like Nicole Kidman's clapping for me. Famous person does normal thing weirdly.

AENeuman 02-28-2017 10:34 AM

Still trying to wrap my head around this literal vs serious interpretation of trump. When he said I have a great plan to replace aca and a secret plan to defeat isis, those were taken seriously by his voters, but not literally? So his voters knew he didn't have a plan, but he would listen to people who align with views? (Free market and hawkish in this case)

Easy Mac 02-28-2017 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3147723)
Trump's guests tonight will be families of people killed by illegals, indicating that there will be a focus on justifying those areas of his policies.

I have no idea the answer to this, and don't have time to look it up the rest of today; how does the murder rate among undocumented immigrants compare to the general population and to those with similar income?


I think the study was just general crime, with the obvious caveat that they tried to adjust for their undocumented status and that it could be under-reported to not get themselves deported for reporting a crime. But the study found that crime is actually lower in areas with larger illegal immigrant population, even adjusting for under-reporting.


There was a podcast that broke the study down about a month ago, but I can't recall which one it was that I was listening to.

Immigration and crime: What does the research say?
Urban crime rates and the changing face of immigration: Evidence across four decades: Journal of Ethnicity in Criminal Justice: Vol 15, No 1

NobodyHere 02-28-2017 10:46 AM

I wish those articles would distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants.

CrescentMoonie 02-28-2017 11:04 AM

There's not much that focuses on legal vs illegal, but Cato argues that the rate is consistent across the two populations.

PilotMan 02-28-2017 02:21 PM

Education Secretary DeVos: [Sound Of Me Spitting Out Coffee, Falling Out Of Chair]

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Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) have done this since their founding. They started from the fact that there were too many students in America who did not have equal access to education. They saw that the system wasn’t working, that there was an absence of opportunity, so they took it upon themselves to provide the solution.
HBCUs are real pioneers when it comes to school choice. They are living proof that when more options are provided to students, they are afforded greater access and greater quality. Their success has shown that more options help students flourish.


Wtf kind of drugs is this administration on that they decided that this was a totally normal line of thinking in regards to their platform? As the article breaks down...

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I dunno, it’s a historically deep competition, but ... this might be the worst and most offensive thing a Trump administration clown has said*, so far? I kind of think it is!

*In fact, this statement is so batshit, bugfuck crazy that—no discredit to Adam Harris whatsoever—at first it seemed quite literally unbelievable. I made a Department of Education flack email it to me directly just to confirm Harris hadn’t been the victim of a prank.
There’s the obvious reason, of course, which is that this is an absurd and nightmarish vision of school choice. The HBCU system has its roots in racial segregation, arising from the practical unavailability of higher education for black students in the years after the Civil War. The functional choice HBCUs gave black students at the time of their founding was between black school and no school—which is to say, their advent did not provide black students with meaningful school choice at all. Calling them pioneers of school choice is like pointing to the construction of a homeless shelter as a landmark achievement in affordable housing.


Easy Mac 02-28-2017 02:32 PM

In the last day he said Obama is behind the protests, Democrats are behind the Jewish bomb threats, and that the military is to blame for the SEAL's death in Yemen. I don't know that you can really quantify DeVos' release as the craziest thing that's been said in the last 24 hours, let alone the last 39 days.

Is there a group they've managed not to insult so far? They've gone after the press, FBI, CIA, military, teachers, liberals, LBGTQ, hispanics, jews, blacks, Europeans, Australians, Muslims/middle-easterns... There's children and straight-white-Republican males, that's really all that's left to insult.

Atocep 02-28-2017 03:07 PM

Claiming anything is offensive about this administration just excites the base even more.

The DeVos press release is ignorant on a level I can't believe came from a U.S. President's administration. But hey, she wants to do something different so it has to be better.

The comment by Trump that claimed at the same time that his administration has the most respected generals in decades while placing all of the blame for the SEAL's death on them was incredible. I don't know how else to describe it.

This administration continues to operate on a level the rest of us just don't understand yet.

larrymcg421 02-28-2017 03:12 PM

In the race for most offensive things the administration has said, I think this is an early lock to make the playoffs...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2984866

Easy Mac 02-28-2017 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3147765)
In the race for most offensive things the administration has said, I think this is an early lock to make the playoffs...

Trump suggests Jewish community is spreading anti-Semitic threats - NY Daily News


He's probably just getting his information from here (please note, I can't prove this site won't infect you with Russian malware or stupidity):

Shocking List Of Official Proven False Flag Attacks - Your News Wire

Groundhog 02-28-2017 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3147724)
Hate Conway, but who really gives a crap about how she sits on the couch?


I don't give a crap how she sits on a couch generally, I just think that in her capacity in that room it's incredibly unprofessional.

Jas_lov 02-28-2017 06:13 PM

How will Trump sell a pathway to citizenship to his base, or will they not care if they get their wall.

RainMaker 02-28-2017 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3147774)
How will Trump sell a pathway to citizenship to his base, or will they not care if they get their wall.


He won't. Fox News will run a story on it that will be mildly critical and he'll change his mind.


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