That's about it saldana, and its a mechanic I don't have full control over

vote for her if you want, I was just letting you know that unless someone else had solid evidence on her there was no way I was going to have her lynched or imprisoned when she basically just turned the govt over to me and said she trusted me more than anybody else in the game.

And in light of her turning over the manifest information like many asked her to do, I have even less reason to see her go to trial. So by all means explain why she is guilty to you. But I will need more than your opinion, I will need proof.

oops sorry EF, cross posting, did not see until I posted

:D

So, I'm not terribly hurt. I can either be treated or do work (explore the flatlands?) today.

But geez, someone is coming after the police force, and hard.

hahahaha. Auto correct fail

unvote fontisian

I never knew she was a bottle of wine :)

I too am heading off to bed (not with EF!), feel free to keep asking me questions, I'll catch up in the morning. Please do remember however that tomorrow I will likely be away a large chunk of the afternoon

And that I have more medical knowledge than an EMT technician usually has.

Well that was... Interesting...?

So these kills were both distinctly different to the earlier deaths. I suspect that a team of wolves has been "activated" while the lone murderer is still on the loose. I'm going to assume that the wolves were aware of each other, at least, yesterday so voting patterns are important. Still, two night kills is a bit of a worry. Targeting Chief and Jag suggests the wolves know what they're about as they're two of the strongest villagers in the game (I'd go as far as to say that Jag is the strongest). So Autumn better sleep with one eye open as he's next in-line. :)

Golden if you duke you really ought to duke to someone who was involved in the vote so we get information on voting-patterns. Duking to Font tells us very little.

Re the original murderer/saboteur - CF gets out of jail (if I remember correctly he got out today) and suddenly there's another trap attack? Dunno what to think about that. If CF was the murderer I would have thought he'd lay off the attacks for a day at least. But maybe he has a condition that he has to lay traps/attack if he is able. Someone ought to protect Britrock today if possible.

Day Seven

#2192 23:37 Thomkal votes Zinto (1)
#2267 13:08 Narcizo votes Crimson (1)
#2296 14:49 Suicane votes DanGarion (1)
#2317 15:13 Raven votes fontisian (1)
#2333 15:30 DanGarion votes DanGarion (2)
#2340 15:37 timmae votes DanGarion (3)
#2349 15:59 Shark votes Crimson (2)
#2365 16:37 timmae unvotes DanGarion (2)
#2367 16:40 timmae votes GoldenEagle (1)
#2374 16:57 saldana votes DanGarion (3)

#2391 17:38 Crimson votes Sharkn (1)
#2392 17:39 DanGarion unvotes DanGarion (2)
#2392 17:39 DanGarion votes Zinto (2)
#2402 17:52 Jackal votes GoldenEagle (2)
#2409 18:00 Shoveler votes GoldenEagle (3)
#2417 18:12 DanGarion unvotes Zinto (1)
#2417 18:12 DanGarion votes Crimson (3)
#2438 18:47 Fontisian votes DanGarion (3)
#2444 19:25 Grover votes GoldenEagle (4)
#2448 19:39 Autumn votes Crimson (4)
#2453 19:53 Ntndeacon votes GoldenEagle (5)
#2455 19:56 Chief Rum votes DanGarion (4)
#2458 20:06 JAG votes DanGarion (5)
#2459 20:10 Zinto votes Crimson (5)
#2480 20:56 Britrock votes Crimson (6)

#2487 21:16 Suicane unvotes DanGarion (4)
#2487 21:16 Suicane votes GoldenEagle (6)
#2501 21:40 Crimson unvotes Sharkn (0)
#2501 21:40 Crimson votes DanGarion (5)
#2513 21:47 GoldenEagle votes Crimson (7)
#2528 20:01 Crimson unvotes DanGarion (4)
#2528 20:01 Crimson votes GoldenEagle (7)
#2554 20:31 Thomkal unvotes Zinto (0)
#2554 20:31 Thomkal votes GoldenEagle (8)
#2563 20:36 Britrock unvotes Crimson (6)
#2563 20:36 Britrock votes GoldenEagle (9)
#2565 20:37 Saldana unvotes DanGarion (5)
#2563 20:37 Saldana votes GoldenEagle (10)

Final Vote

GoldenEagle 10 - timmae (2367), The Jackal (2402), Shoveler (2409), Grover (2444), ntndeacon (2453), Suicane75 (2487), CrimsonFox (2528), Thomkal (2554), britrock88 (2563), saldana (2565)
CrimsonFox 5 - Narcizo (2267), sharkn20 (2349), DanGarion (2417), Autumn (2448), Zinto (2459), GoldenEagle (2513)
DanGarion 3 - fontisian (2438), Chief Rum (2455), JAG (2458)
fontisian 1 - Raven (2317)

Re-reading this I think Chief was hit by a standard night-action wolf attack while JAG was maybe some sort of one-off and not necessarily a standard wolf attack.

OK

I think we're looking at least one wolf who is experienced from werewolf on this site. I don't think Autumn targets both Chief and JAG though (presuming that the wolf team made both of the kills) as that leaves question marks about him if he survives.

Do we assume that the wolves knew their team mates from the start and knew that they were wolves. If we say yes to that then I really don't buy DanGarion as a wolf with the way he acted on day one. I can't imagine any wolf would act that way, it's guaranteed to get you looks and grief for absolutely no gain whatsoever.

I'm a bit concerned about Thomkal's unvote fail and then retraction. EF hadn't put up a list so it smacks a little bit of him being prompted that his vote is no good. Then again if he was a wolf he wouldn't have to worry about that as he could acquit the person (who would have to be Crimson or, more unlikely DanGarion, for it to matter). On the other, other hand he would be want to avoid having to acquit someone who later turned out to be a wolf. On the third other hand I don't really think that Crimson is the wolf.

I don't think Golden duking the vote automatically assures us that he's village. But I tend to think he is anyway.

JAG and Chief both going down makes me want to look at, oh, Zinto, Jackal or Britrock. I think it's safe to say that the attacker who took out JAG must be pretty strong.

So 2 people that died were both "good guys" that lost everything and were starting over like ntn.
Makes me want to look at the "bad guys" who committed crimes.
did brit say what he was?

also, we have 100 hp. I wonder if like each "wolf" did like a certain amount of damage and they all get to attack. Thus they did enough to kill jag and chief but not brit

wait did golden duke or did raven?

thom i'd like to apply to the police force. :P

oh brit got caught in a trap okay.
i guess that doesn't mean he is cleared.
maybe he was setting the trap? :P

don't we have like a PI and a cop? do you guys have like the ability to find clues and stuff?

Golden said that he did. Of course it could be another wolf buddy who duked it.

So we can scratch Danny or JAG. That leaves me with Jackal, Brit, Suicane, Shark and Crimson. If we hypothesize that the wolves have been "activated" by mission control then the stowaway can't be a wolf and that let's Crimson off the hook. Leaving me with Jackal, Brit, Suican and Shark. As we all know Jackal is ALWAYS a wolf. He's played a game where he hasn't been UTR but hasn't really committed a whole lot either (admittedly I'm throwing stones in a glasshouse here but whatyagonnado)?

Vote The Jackal

i like the thought, narcizo, about the killer of chief and jag being a veteran

There seems to be a layer or two of this game that I really don't understand.
The Thomkal/font dynamic. I don't know what to make of it, not even what it is

i really think saldana is not the killer. I still don't even think I'll use "good team" and "bad team" cause this game...yes that's it...because "this game"

I think this is very murky.

Two murders last night that did not fit the M.O. of the original killer.

Another person trapped and injured. Our second person trapped. Is that our original killer? Very possibly.

A lot going on here.

what? do you think there is conversion?

Either that or that there are multiple factions working to kill each other without knowing who the others are? Is this even a possibility in a werewolf game?

Since I'm a total n00b, I don't know the ins and outs.

Ooof.... 2 wolves, a stowaway and a murderer walk out of the landing pod...

I think our PI turned out to be a mobster who ghosted a construction job on the side.. Shoveler.

haha
:jester:

I would say that the colour posts made by EF would suggest one wolf team with a lone saboteur role. Two wolf teams each with a night kill would be brutal. I'm currently hoping JAG's killing was a one-off power. I can't imagine that a villager would use a day-kill on JAG so it would be logical for it to be a wolf attack - unless someone had an ulterior motive in removing JAG.

Grover, conversions are in fact things in werewolf. They usually only occur the first two nights if any. Any more and they are too powerful. However the other thing is that sometimes mods use different descriptions of death which indicate specifically which murderer killed them if there are more than one. Like in Abe's Red Death game, EF was a werecrocodile and the write-ups all involved parts of people being eaten off. While Autumn and I were the shapeshifter and the mode of death was snapping their neck/breaking bones etc.

So The first two deaths were strangulation of wounded people. Now we have 2 people lying in their own blood. This could be the work of a specific other killer or maybe it is the gun. I think the crime scene might have to be investigated a little to find the cause of death if someone can do that.

oops this is wrong. jag was not really a "good guy" as far as losing everything thorugh no fault of their own but one of the "criminals"
so hmm

incidently saldana, i understand your concerns now about thomkal's power. I cannot imagine there aren't other things in the game to balance that or cancel it out. death itself would cause a new leader thing i'm sure. maybe thom can appoint new peeps at whim whatever.

Right, but I am asking: is it possible there are the wolves and then a singular rogue killer that has no ties to the wolves and that the wolves don't know who the singular killer is and vice-versa.

Sometimes things have an easy explanation-even in WW Narcizo-the mod informed me that I had voted incorrectly (forgot to unvote first) and so I corrected my mistake. No conspiracy theories here my friend.

Yes that's possible. There have been multiple groups of evils in games before. Sometimes that means multiple deaths and sometimes only one gets it. There are also one-shot kills as narcizo said. Those can be from either team.

there is a possibility the killers don't know each other and work independently too. But with the people killed I"m not a fan of this theory. I like the gun for being in a killer's hands and it gives them that extra kill.

Still I think the hit points enter into this too. I just got done with a game that was all about hit points. people took damage from votes as well as nightkill attempts.

i confirm that as a very probable thing as I did the same thing and was similarly told I was a stupidhead.

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN

Agreed. Like Thomkal said, I think our first killer can only prey on the weak. Hence the traps that deplete hit points.

I assume that both kills were not by the same source. Or should I say all three attempts. Britrock's sounds like the saboteur who has struck before.

I think we absolutely have a new group of "wolves", hte "resistance" to Thomkal's government. I assume that is a response to his taking over leadership and that they were simply players before. There are clearly characters with strong goals to be leaders, and I am guessing that some of those who have opposed Thomkal's form of government are the ones to look at for our new killers. we may be able to narrow down prospects by the fact that someone very tough managed to take on JAG, which suggests someone with a high physical score. Chief was probably easy to kill.

So I am looking for someone with a stake in who leads the government, or what kind of government it is, and someone who excels physically. that will be my vote today if I find it.

I think our original killer is still here, set the trap, and probably is unrelated to and ignorance of the resistance. Their motive is less clear and mayb eless of a worry for this lynch.

It sounds like our police force can guard one person and investigate one person every night, so we are going to need that to come through for us. It is possible we will continue to have multiple kills a night, since having an elected position with special powers is very powerful for the village. So we are going to need our cops to come through.

I will work on Britrock today. I don't think I'd be great at exploring and i think it's a poor idea to risk any of our medical personnel anyway. We need to make sure not to have any wounded around for our saboteur.

was anyone in jail last night?

I'm looking back through the thread, particularly at those with Great physical ability to see who is most likely to oppose our government. Britrock was not confrontational but makes clear here that he is not a fan of martial law, and he has the physical ability to deal with JAG.

Shoveler is another colonist with the ability to take out JAG. he has been forthright in his concerns about Thomkal's government.

Shoveler is clearly someone with an independent mind.

And is not a fan of martial law.

I am currently assuming everyone told the truth about their physical abilities. I think that is a reasonable assumption because I don't think our current revolutionaries had any reason to think they would be in this position before Thomkal took over, and so had no reason to be wary.

With that said only Shoveler and Britrock appear to have the strength to take on JAG, other than Thomkal himself. Zinto, GoldenEagle and NTN do not have physical abilities listed, so they are secondary suspects, but I don't see much reason to expect one of them is very strong.

So my choice for now is between Brit and Shoveler. The fact that Chief and JAG were targeted may suggest a veteran like Britrock. However, it may be that the revolution was simply targeting those in leadership positions. Chief was our chief doctor, and JAG was on the police force. So I think it could be either of these two. for now ...

vote shoveler

Don't forget that there is a gun in play. Physical skill is probably a moot point if you have the gun in your possession.

Update for Day 8 decisions..

Fontisian – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE), college history professor
DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (AWFUL) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic
Zinto - SOCIAL (GREAT), CEO
Suicane - PHYSICAL (GOOD), retired politician with history of public service, forced out due to bribery???
Crimsonfox – SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) , SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE) , automechanic,
timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type", blogger, charged with identity theft
Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background.
Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility, drug dealer?
SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills, insurance fraud
GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GREAT)computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes
Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general, resigned due to scandal
ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor
bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD), (MEDICAL) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes.
thomkal (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE)retired Army general. primary concerns safety, questionable resignation.
shoveler - PHYSICAL (GREAT)Construction, mafia hitman
TheJackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) MIT Prof of Engineering
Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE) 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
saldana – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), pHYSICAL (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD) city planner

Murderer is a coward?
I have exposed histories highlighted in bold italics.

EF said everyone has a past... the following list did not provide any indication of questionable histories.

Font, DG, Zinto, CF, Raven, GE, ntn, brit, jackal, grover, saldana.

They may not have shady histories but we should track accordingly.

Thought for the group... could the wolves be those that did not vote for Thom? How many were there that voted Font? Just throwing things out there.

That's a really good point, Timmae, and I think possibly right on. I had forgotten that when voting I had considered that likelihood. It's part of why I voted Thomkal despite my reservations, I figured there would be effects of the vote. Looking at that day to see how people likely voted is a good idea.

I have. My time as a policeman ended when I was accused of using excessive force.

timmae: social average, medical awful

Foxy, I've missed playing WW with you. :D

Oh, hey, there's a vote lost on CF in yesterday's tally.


Narcizo, Shark, DanG, Autumn, Zinto, and GE are the 6 voters.

Excellent find. How can we use this to our advantage though?

Saboteur or insomnia. You decide... ;)

Screw you, Autumn!!

:mad: :banghead: :lol:

I didn't have a vote. I was in jail.

Also, I woke up last night with the flu so I will be not around more than around today because I am going to sleep as much as I can.

The flu? He could infect the entire colony! Lynch him before it spreads!

The gun could have been used in the last 2 murders... with the notes. Different murder pattern for sure.

I've been asking about that damn gun... who had it last?

This seems to be a huge mystery. Obviously no one is willing to admit they would have the gun for fear they'll immediately be lynched.

.... consulting "the list"... ummm...

The Gun was discovered Day 3. There is no discussion of who discovered it or how it was found. We do know that Font was the leader at the time. Maybe she knows more? Also, the following individuals were working on the task that day:

On Voted Action
britrock88
Suicane75
Thomkal
GoldenEagle
DanGarion
Raven
Shoveler
Zinto
CrimsonFox

Could one of them snuck off to search (i.e. be a searching role within the game)? The medical center was not completed due to lack of effort.

Chief didn't get 100% better. Was it due to not having the full team on him? Those caring for him that night:

Work on Chief Rum
Autumn
ntndeacon
fontisian

Ugh. Feel better soon!

Also, what action are we proceeding with today? If we don't act are we just wasting a day and picking off another person with no real progress to show for it?

I would recommend we agree on voting as a group and then proceeding with the action as a group. If we have 10 separate actions we'll be sitting ducks... err... martians.

The memorial for JAG and Chief Rum will be held tonight-attendance is mandatory. I caution those colonists going on exploring missions to make sure you have at least one partner you can trust-wouldn't want to see anymore "accidents"

I will be gone for a good chunk of the afternoon now "taking care of govt. business"

I had no idea we had been dropped off the middle of Mars' own Jonestown...

I thought we had collected the supplies before we were all poisoned/drugged/knocked out by our benevolent leaders on Earth

we voted to but then...

Well, I can't argue that. I'm shocked it isn't on the list

I'm not sure GE should be discounted just because he had a duke ability, but I'm likely to look elsewhere at least today.

Interesting that JAG and CR were 2 of 3 voting for Dan yesterday - someone trying to set him up?

In regards to my past, I did something that I'm not proud of - let's say my brain lost the chess game, if you get the Seinfeld reference. But it doesn't affect my engineering capabilities, which is all you need be concerned with.

Playing catch up and trying to process everything that has happened overnight, but just wanted to clarify we have indeed completed the supply run.

MIT Coeds? Who can blame you?

Perfect. Thanks for the reminder.

(Feel better. Hope you have time to get a vote in at some point.)

Fair consideration. Would there be anyone that the group might be willing to openly possess the gun?

- Thomkal (he's the leader, but is he too powerful?)
- britrock (police force, but admittedly can be physically excessive)
- Shoveler (uses brawn to get information)

Just chewing it over.

1. It's a set-up!
2. DanGarion controlled both NKs and lashed out at his voters!
3. There's no way it could have been a result of chance! :p

Quadola:

We should pay some attention to this. I think I'm out by virtue of having Autumn treat me, but we should get people to cover some ground on the flatlands (the safest area). Figuring out where that gun is might be helpful in planning exploration groups.

I don't think we have any sort of a COT (circle of trust, for new players)

I think we'd be more comfortable if someone who we're holding accountable for actions, etc, is in possession of it though. It might also make them a target for a NK, however, if the gun ends up being an extra kill for the bad guys.

As for possible motives to last night's attacks... I recall rivalries among Thomkal, Shoveler, myself, and JAG, and between Autumn, ntndeacon (to a lesser extent), and Chief Rum during the period when we were all jockeying for leadership positions.

But among that group of people, (and leaving some shady backgrounds aside--don't we all have them?) everybody seems pretty pro-colony in the public discussion we've had in two weeks. So I'm struggling to identify suspects from that group.

Are we interested in following up on yesterday's set of lynch leaders?

Sorry. Yes you have supplies. You could return to building options when your issue (issues?) are resolved.

Much thanks... missed that.

I know Zinto was in jail at some point yesterday, but when was he released or has he not yet been released?
Not sure if anyone can answer this directly other than EF?

If golden was the duke I don't think I want to vote for him. Unless we REALLY think a good character went bad.

I really think shark gave himself away yesterday for me.

vote sharkn20

Golden Eagle´s and Dan Garion´s voters were murdered or injured during the night... Think about that guys :popcorn: For me an obvius try to distract the thinking of the colony, so probably the murdered would be in the top voters...

And this guy is trying to bully me again... And is Good in Physical so...

Vote: Crimson Fox

I don´t like big brother shows so don´t try to involve me in your discussion

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Anything that can we research?? And the "big" "bad" boys can go to the landscape to discover more map? Let´s try to solve this quickly and continue with the adventure!

yes shark you only come out nd point fingers at me when someone says your name, I get it.