+1 on both accounts. Bold emphasis is mine.

This will be an interesting deadline. I'll be back in before it, I hope.

I'm showing 5-5-3-1 on the votes right now through Post #2602:

5 Telle - Poli (2452), Clap (2467), MartinD (2558), PF (2590), Abe (2595)
5 Clap - Hoops (2476), Chief (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), MT (2598)
3 Saldana - Lathum (2481), Dubb (2509), Jackal (2593)
1 Lathum - Saldana (2494)


2452 Poli votes Telle 1-0
2467 Clap votes Telle 2-0
2472 Lathum votes Hoops 2-1 Telle over Hoops
2476 Hoops votes Clap 2-1-1 Telle over Hoops/Clap
2481 Lathum unvotes Hoops, votes Saldana 2-1-1 Telle over Clap/Saldana
2494 Saldana votes Lathum 2-1-1-1 Telle over Clap/Saldana/Lathum
2501 Chief votes Clap 2-2-1-1 Telle/Clap over Saldana/Lathum
2509 Dubb votes Saldana 2-2-2-1 Telle/Clap/Saldana over Lathum
2513 Autumn votes Clap 3-2-2-1 Clap over Telle/Saldana over Lathum
2521 Abe votes Hoops 3-2-2-1-1 Clap over Telle/Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2558 MartinD votes Telle 3-3-2-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2587 Telle votes Clap 4-3-2-1-1 Clap over Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2590 PF votes Telle 4-4-2-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2593 Jackal votes Saldana 4-4-3-1-1 Clap/Telle over Saldana over Lathum/Hoops
2595 Abe unvotes Hoops, votes telle 5-4-3-1 Telle over Clap over Saldana over Lathum
2598 MT votes Clap 5-5-3-1 Telle/Clap over Saldana over Lathum

i dont really like DTs move to tie it back up again, and since i need to make a play to try to get back in this game

unvote lathum
vote telle

Having been Saldana's best man I can assure you it is his wedding anniversiry.

Do you dislike it more based on "trust" for Clap or "distrust" for Telle?

Unless there is some movement onto Saldana ( and not the anniversary type movement he is probably going to get from the Mrs.) I will probably switch over so I have a meaningfull vote.

I really wish people would consider him though, his voting record is terrible and it would also have been today. I feel he is switching because he realizes this

I'm going to hold for a little bit as well but I am in the same boat as you, I will consolidate on the two main candidates if it becomes obvious this is a two horse race.

Autumn does make a good point about how there were four revealed wolf roles before the game and one unlisted wolf role in EF.. you'd think the pre-revealed roles would all be in it. If there are four wolves left that's scary.

when I say terrible I mean it would have been a total throwaway

At this point I'm more inclined to vote for clap than Telle if we're going to give up on sal, but I have very little to go on with either of them. I don't trust multiple people on each, hard to follow people either.

Lathum, I think I would move to Saldana before Telle tonight. The only thing that gives me pause on that is that Poli seemed very set on getting Telle lynched today. Otherwise, I would jump to Saldana over Telle without much of a second thought.

I'll be in and out over the last hour, so I'll try to move the vote near the end if it makes sense. My kid is now home, which means I won't have any big chunks of time to be reading the thread until after the deadline.

Reason?

Ooh ooh, I got dibs on the mashed potatoes.

I do think we learn more from a Telle lynch today than a Clap so I'm inclined to lean that way especially with Clap hinting he has a role and Poli's statements.

Dubb, what do we learn from a Telle lynch today?

If we have villager/wolf at this stage we learn a lot either way. But what specifically do we pick up from Telle that we won't learn through others?

I don't think a Saldana lynch is happening so I want a vote that means something.

She has had a run on her nearly every day. We unlock ALOT of voting history with a Telle lynch.

I think I'm going with Telle here.

Unvote Sal
Vote Telle

All right, I have considered the arguments, and I don't see a reason to move off of clap. But I am okay with Telle being lynched. I think the evidence to lynch her has been a bit overblown, at least with respect to what we know publically (those of you with access to private info through role play, that's your own biz, I don't have special info gathering powers), but there's no doubt she has made some questionable decisions. I just think there are others who have made more questionable decisions, like clap and saldana.

With that, I am out until past deadline.

well hrm

Which is awesome if she is a wolf. But I'm not as sold on it if is villager voting history.

I've seen a couple of people post today that they would prefer to vote "A" or "B" and not have Telle as one of their choices. So that makes me less inclined to vote for Telle. But right now I'm not in position to be able to help her.

Who knows, maybe the people I'm reading are wolves who would prefer not to vote for another wolf. But I don't think that is what I read.

8-6 votes right now. With these two candidates, I'll stick on Clap for the duration.

Votes as of post #2630:

8 - Telle - Poli (2452), claphamsa (2467), MartinD (2558), PackerFanatic (2590), Abe (2595), Saldana (2604), Lathum (2614), Dubb (2622)
6 - claphamsa - hoopsguy (2476), Chief Rum (2501), Autumn (2513), Telle (2587), DaddyTorgo (2598), The Jackal (2628)

17 minutes until deadline

Hopefully no one pulls any bullcrap and ties this up.

I'll almost certainly miss the last 5-10 minutes here. So whichever way this goes, hope it turns out well.

+++++1

I only will get one go at this cuz of the phone-thing. imma unvote clap and vote telle. was only on clap to try to get movement really.

unvote clap
vote telle

I really like that vote, DT.

I followed some hunches onto Clap, but since Telle has been high on my suspect list for a while, I don't mind seeing it go like this.

Call the flipping deadline already!

Deadline!

I guess I missed the argument on clap. I'll revisit it tonight.

*continues to delay Danny from posting the deadline results by sending him endless PMs*

YES!

YES YES YES

Wow.

do we think the wolves knew that Clap was the teddy bear or got lucky. I think one of their roles has a chance to recognize the teddy bear, right?

There is no listed role for recognizing the teddy bear.

This keeps TheJackal high on my suspect list but I'm going to be looking hard at Hoops and Chief Rum now. I was following their lead thinking that perhaps they were going on something, but they now look pretty bad.

I'm sure you could say the same about me except that I've voted Telle at just about every opportunity this game.

I think it was Clap's statements from earlier today

I guess so. people were making a deal out of that and I thought it was over nothing, but obviously I was wrong. Clearly I need some more experience at this game.

So, anyone have anything they need to get off their chest before the night phase?

I love you?

Glad to see we bagged another wolf. Alot of voting history with this one.

Wait, clap was the brutal kill? Wow.

based on his hinting earlier today I am not in the least bit surprised.

As much as I hate to admit I was wrong I think Saldana's vote makes him look pretty good. When he voted it was 5-5 clap/telle and he went Telle.

dola- I will also say DT's vote doesn't buy him much trust in my book, it was pretty obvious Telle was gone at that point.

Well, we finally bagged Telle, but that's a blow to us, losing the Teddy Bear. Still, I hope that we've got good leads on the rest of the wolves now.

Good point

Very, very good result in getting a wolf.

I would selfishly like the seer to scan me if they have not done so already. It is not going to get a wolf but I know it would make my life a whole heck of a lot easier tomorrow.

In the event that the seer actually wants to find a wolf then I would tell them to go elsewhere. Probably Saldana, MommaTorgo, or ChiefRum.

I've avoided Telle like the plague in votes this game. I probably have not been this wrong on someone, staking out an unpopular position, since back somewhere around WW #10 or #12 ... the items game where Digamma was a villager and I defended him to the tune of a 14-2 vote stringing up the wolf.

I was a villager that time as well. Just saying ...

I'm going to hold off on the vote analysis until after 11PM, unless people really want to see it earlier. But I think it could potentially do us more harm than good until night orders are in.

Yeah, I realize that looks bad for me because Telle was bad. Sorry that I didn't believe you, clap. I'll understand people looking my way, but I did that because I trusted less of the people voting for Telle.. I may have to re-think that.

Let me get caught up right now

Awesome!

Np, but it's a good trade with teh seer still out ther.e

Alright, my date is still here, so I am getting back to her, and not you.

:crazy:

:eek:

I hope the next game has a 24 hour deadline

And nobody will be allowed to date during it.

Yeah baby!

Hmm, I guess I support some of the FOFC/WW members getting out and meeting women every once in a blue moon :p

sigh

That was OT sigh on the dating subject, so I'll leave it at that.

Just as long as it doesn't effect them signing up for games.

Haha - of course I wasn't 'yeah baby'in that comment :-P

Hell, I am married with a kid. I don't even know what a date is anymore, haha.

Yes, that's pretty much where I'm coming from.

Back on topic, I've done my own voting analysis and I'm very clear where my votes will be going from now on.

My wife and I go out on dates sometimes, but now instead of being like " man, I hope I get some" I am like " Man, I hope I didn't get lynched"

okay Abe is back!

Rar!

Is the night being ran at 11 or 1?

11 I think

Dubb, I was under the impression (based on thread title listing wrong day of week) that it was 11PM.

Night results coming now

I didn't even catch that. Yea looks like 11 then. I wonder if Danny will claim poor typing on this rather than something more obvious?

Hmm, I wonder why McSweeny doesn't play WW anymore?

was he in the thread?

SCUK

omg

I meant SUCK!

Well, that friggin blows.

I didn't see that one coming.

I think it is safe to say the wolves fear my ability

Well, that is going to make things a lot harder from here on out. I completely whiffed on the seer, as I thought it was Autumn. Which means I've got a ton of assumptions that I really need to check at this point.

Time to go through MartinD's posts and see if there is anything to be gleaned from them in terms of some kind of working trust list.