Actually a ranger is like 4 villagers. It takes 2 baddies to over come a ranger, however a baddie can take out 2 villagers.so 2 baddies can take out 4 regular villagers

I am all for switching to Mr W, but somebody needs to die tonight, so im not going to switch off of him unless everybody else does. I hope Daddy and Tyrith vote for ntn, but I dont know about Schmidty... so it leaves a lot up in the air. If daddy and tyrith vote for mr. wed, then ill switch to him. I think both of these guys are bad and on the same team, but Alant is right, we dont learn much from ntn's death

Ahhh crud! Wasn't able to be around yesterday due to classes and a last second trip up to burlington, vt for some hockey. Looks like you guys got me! Definitely had a good time playing, will have to look into future games. :D

Uh, yes, English is my first language. :confused: Curse the no edit rule!

Just from his comments the day that he was on the line to be lynched. The way he said it made me feel that he knew who did the kill if it wasn't him. He said he watched Lonestargirl attack me.. but I do know a fair amount of LSG's role.. and even if i assume she is bad I can't for the life of me think her method of night attack involves a tree branch of any kind.

Brian's role however that seems much more plausible. If he didn't do it himself, I'm pretty sure he knew who on his team did. I doubt it was Sublime who did since we saw Sublime's attack was more magical. That leaves either BrianD or mystery Saruman member #3.

Well that is because I think that Tyrith is more likely to be bad than Mr. W. the whole situation with him and Gramm was a very questionable play for a good guy, but a 1 for 1 trade for a ranger helps the baddies tremendously

Glad you enjoyed it and joined us. Hope you come back again in the future for more WW games :)

Your argument has no logic in it I don't think from my opinion. I agree that Tyrith might be bad, however the reasons you say have more holes than swiss cheese.

If Tyrith is bad, and somehow found out Gramm was a ranger why out Gramm the way he did? Why not just kill him and not even say anything to add suspicion to him?

Perhaps we can look at tyrith more tommorrow, but today it makes zero sense to add him into a run off today.

I would not have a problem with voting for Mr. W either. But ido think that we need to address the situation betwen Tyrith and Gramm.

There may be logical problems with this reasoning, but this reasoning was why Ivoted how Idid. but the run off between myself and Mr. Wed only gives me one candidate. As ihave already said Iwill be willing to switch off if needed to lynch him, as I see your point about where it leads. However he isn't my first suspect..that is Tyrith.

My number 1 suspect is Thomkal. If we aren't going to listen to his scan list we should just go ahead and kill him so we KNOW about LSG. I am 99 percent sure that ntn is bad at this point, but his lynch doesn't help us with the dueling seer issue. Mr.W...he at least tells us something. I'd rather lynch him than ntn today. So I'm still undecided, I'll go with whatever the good guys think. I apologize that I haven't been more active; school has kept me very busy the last couple of days, and probably will continue to have that problem for the rest of this game.

OK, I was just thinking about something.

I think it's awfully suspicious that ntndeacon has been on the block for days, and neither of our seers has attempted to look at him.

It's possible that's because he's Sauron and LSG is Sauron.

It's also possible it's because they know he's good and they wouldn't mind us voting him off.

So with that, I'm going to switch my vote.

UNVOTE ntndeacon
VOTE DaddyTorgo

Dola, that's somewhat against interest because some of you are (incorrectly) trying to cast suspicion on me, despite being cleared by two different people (one of whom is known to be good).

We've been down this road before. Swaggs himself said that he didn't feel his information could clear you fully and he wished he had chosen a different line to scan. It didn't clear you but instead put your good vs bad in the hands of Thomkal's reveal which was exactly my point in voting you.

Well since I viewed him, and know him to be good, I'm not too supportive of a vote out of Mr. W. If you aren't going to go for LSG like I want, then I guess it'll have to be one of the unscanned.

I get that lynching Mr. Wednesday can tell us something (unless he's good, then we still don't know if Thomkal is truly good or not), but I would rather go with the guy everyone thinks is evil. Regardless, I'm going to hold off on my vote for a bit and see how things fall.

I've been saying since early on that I'm good. So if you lynch me and confirm that, what are you going to do then? Even LSG didn't actually make any claim about me, only that she wasn't able to complete the scan for reasons unknown -- you'd get one instance where Thomkal was telling the truth, and that's all.

Since I'm just an average sort, it's not a huge loss from the point of view of holding off the forces of darkness, the bigger issue is the opportunity cost of not going after someone who's a much higher percentage to be a bad dude.

And why is DaddyTorgo that much higher a percentage than you?

We have to make a right call tonight, we have to kill a known bad guy. If we dont then we good people probably lose the game. I will on around 4:30... but im throwing this out now

vote thomkal

Didn't you already vote for ntn (post 2532)?

I am willing to vote for Mr.W and ntn, in that order of preference, if this vote doesn't work. But for now I'd rather vote for the person who I have wanted dead since day 4...and who I can see no way is on our side.

VOTE THOMKAL

Thinking things through, and looking at how the votes have fallen so far, I feel that this is the best move:

Vote Thomkal

Ok here is the deal.. Right now I think its pretty likely that the good guys are in the driver seat. I don't see any way that accidentally lynching a good guy is going to lose us the game here. THe most important thing is we have to lynch someone out of Thomkal, Ntn or Mr.W today.

If the majority wants to go with THomkal, I -will- move my vote by deadline. However the good guys need to make sure that we have someone lynched. We can't split our vote or we get ourselves in trouble

sorry jonathan, long day

unvote ntndeacon

vote thomkal

This is the current vote count. THe good guys are scattered across alot of people right now. I'll move my vote but we really need to decide who its going to be. Needs to either be ntn, thomkal or Mr.W and it honestly doesn't matter which of the three.

(2) Thomkal - Tyrith (2621), Schmidty (2622)
(2) Ntndeacon - Lonestargirl (2532), Izulde (2585)
(1) Lonestargirl - Thomkal (2546)
(1) Tyrith - Ntndeacon (2581)
(1) Mr.Wednesday - Alan (2587)
(1) DaddyTorgo - Mr.Wednesday (2612)


No votes: DaddyTorgo, Jonathan E.

alant what is the current vote stading?

I have 3 on thomkal

you beat me to it

when izulde and ntn get on i think they too will vote for thomkal


so then we will need one more, that is you alant

Ok, looks like this is today's direction..

Unvote Mr.Wednesday
Vote thomkal


This should make the vote count this:

(4) Thomkal - Tyrith (2621), Schmidty (2622), Lonestargirl (2624), Alan T (xxx)
(1) Ntndeacon - Izulde (2585)
(1) Lonestargirl - Thomkal (2546)
(1) Tyrith - Ntndeacon (2581)
(1) DaddyTorgo - Mr.Wednesday (2612)


No votes: DaddyTorgo, Jonathan E.

We need 2 more votes on thomkal.

Daddy probably will too, so we should have our lynch tonight

I have a feeling jonathan will vote for Thomkal. I think we should be ok.

If thomkal ends up good, then LSG is obviously the next choice for tommorrow. However I doubt thats going to happen here.

Well, I am assuming if you aren't lying this is the end for team Saruman. I fully expect everyone will be happy with this vote if he is indeed on saruman's team.

Well then, i guess we will all be happy. This is about 4 days over do, since blade had thomkal pegged from the beginning.

Oh it matters Alan. You've supported keeping both LSG and I alive for so long now Alan. Why consider lynching me and not her? I will move to ntndeacon since he is uncleared.

unvote LoneStarGirl
vote ntndeacon

I can say the same thing about ntn :)

Its all about math. Thanks to having both of our wonderful seers alive for as long as we have, we now have a fully mapped out list of who is good or bad based on which seer is telling the truth.

At this point in the game, it honestly doesn't matter which of you, Mr.W or ntn is killed either way it tells us the info we need to know to likely figure out the rest.

Its still a possibility that LSG is bad, but well you've done alot less to help us with your scans so she gets the benefit of the doubt.

All right, I'll go along with the train.

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE THOMKAL

Okay guys i am out for the night i think, i am getting my hair done and me and GE are taking pictures and going shopping.... I am glad to see Thomkal is finally going to get it.

Well at least I'll be comforted when you lynch LSG next.

Just think about it this way.. your death will give us something your seer scans never did and give us a sure bad guy :)

Yes but you are wrong :)

Unvote Tyrith
Vote Thomkal

Does this mean that Thomkal lied yesterday when he said you were good?

ZING!!!!!!!!

I think there is a fair chance of that. :)

Not so much, no.

Today I had one of the worst days I've had in my job in a long time. I just want to go to bed. I'll do the day at 10:00 pm without problem. I'll try to do the 3:30 too but my stuff may be more abbreviated than normal, and I apologize for that if it happens.

That's no problem, I hope you feel better :)

okay. finally home and on the new laptop. can someone quick-catch me up to speed, as i have a crapload of stuff to install/uninstall to get this thing going tonight and lynch is in just over 2 hours. popped on this morning and saw we lost Gram ("darnit") but that's all I've seen

or no one can catch me up.

LSG...I am sick of being a suspect...can you clear me tonight and end this uncertainty? If there's not anyone else more in need of a scan of course I mean. I am on the side of light.

with that said...as much as i wonder about Mr. Weds voting for me to get his head off the chopping block with no evidence, I will cast my vote where needed.

VOTE THOMKAL

If I wanted to get my head off the chopping block, I would have kept my vote on ntn, who was leading at the time.

Let's assume for a moment that Thomkal turns out to be a Saruman-aligned seer, for a moment. What's the next step? Do you still trust his reveal of myself, Jonathan, and IIRC Schmidty, considering especially Swaggs's statement? Do you believe his report on LSG?

If he ends up being Saruman aligned, then pretty much most of anything he said can't be entirely trusted as his agenda is different than the agenda of good.

should prove to be a very informative day either way

Well, it's not really necessary, but I'm going to vote for Thomkal in case a couple people decide to change their minds at the last minute. I'm not convinced the Thomkal is evil, but I know that we have to have a lynch tonight. And I think it's time to get rid of one of our two "seers."

Vote Thomkal

If Thomkal is bad I'm inclined to believe that LSG is good, by and large, although we don't really KNOW. I'd probably start at finally putting ntn out of his misery, though.

now you are just trying to get on my good side.. but yeah if thomkal ends up being bad I'll likely be after ntn again tommorrow.

Since when do you have a good side? ;)

t-minus 12 till lynch and some useful information with this whole dual-seer thing

Well it looks like I'm not going to wiggle out of the lynch this time. But I didn't expect to live these past four or five days, so I guess you guys deserve some kind of reward. Except for the Agents of Sauron of course who should have kept me alive so they could reach their victory condition easier.

1. I lied about some but not all of my views. I lied sometimes about who I viewed and I lied sometimes about which side they are on. Have fun figuring out which is which.

2. There has been at least two conversions in this game that I am aware of. And who knows there could be more to come too.

So basically what I'm telling you is that you are starting the game all over. Even those "seer" cleared could be converted as its been quite a long time since some of you were cleared. So None Of You Can Be Trusted.

Have fun and good luck to all of you.

Thanks for helping us keep LSG alive longer :)

Why does the name "AlanT" come so easily to mind when such a thing is mentioned??

I am sorry, that was just a musing, Alan. :)

I have been working for a while under the assumption that there was a conversion. If there was a conversion, I have in my mind one of two likely people it might have been. As of now though, unless something at night changes things, I think we need to move to ntndeacon next followed by DaddyTorgo.

We still have yet to get the first Sauron member, so we have an extremely small playing field of who could likely be the first 2 (or possibly 3) members of Sauron's side. We should work on those and then identify who are possible conversion targets.

where is anxiety? he is ten minutes late!

Wouldn't it just suck for me if somebody blocked my lynch? :)

LSG...in case you die tonight, will you try to scan me and reassure the paranoid among us (Alan, Weds) that I am of the light? Time is running out for us villagers of Bree I fear.

Like on the day i died? ;)

If she dies tonight, what good will her scanning you do?

cuz anxiety already said he determines night actions in a random order. so she might be able to scan me before she died. although true...she wouldn't be able to reveal it i guess.

dammit. well hopefully she will scan me and live through the night because someone else will be a better target for the wolves. maybe they'll find more value in trying for someone else like alan who is stirring up controversy?

I have three people i need to scan, i plan on doing ennie meenie miney moe to figure out which one ;)

Talk about living on borrowed time...

And i hope i have somebody guarding me! Especially after its revealed Thomkal is bad

I shouldn't say anything, but the Wolves probably aren't idiotic enough to attack her again.

I guess you never know though.

Another day passes with the alacrity born of need. You have made your decision, and with the final vote decided, she immediately closes her eyes and begins to….hum?

You screw up your faces in confusion, with this totally unexpected result. Sure, you might have expected a protest, anger, fear, cowardice, quiet acceptance, or something normal. But, a hum?

As you wonder about the odd reaction, you notice a darkening of the air around her. Her eyes open and you can no longer see the eye, just a dark green tint. A deeply glowing emerald color begins to emerge from her mouth as she continues to hum.

Almost as one, you begin to draw whatever you have at hand that can be used as a weapon and approach her. Her hum increases in volume and you begin to cringe as the hum begins to vibrate in your bodies and souls.

You begin to hack and slash with what you have at hand. Within seconds, her body is pierced in multiple places, and the color fades. Red replaces green as blood runs from her mouth. The hum is silenced in a gurgle, but her eyes continue to stare at you for minutes before the life leaves them.

You leave her at the deliberation area and head to her farm on the west side of town. You investigate and quickly find various tomes speaking about the work she is doing for her dark master, Saruman.



Day Eight has Ended. Night Eight has begun and will probably end somewhere in the general vicinity of 3:30 AM EST Thursday unless you get your Night Actions in to me and I can run it early and put an end to this rotten day.

-Anxiety

I hope those three people are ntn, ntn, and ntn.

uhoh Anxiety is here. Here comes my death scene

night action is being sent within 30 minutes anxiety.


Thomkal, you're a liar. :-P

Jon, lets say i scan ntn and he is good.... where does that leave us?

Right now we pretty much have the saruman side wiped out unless they got a 4th member through a conversion. Likewise we can expect the Sauron's side to have started with most likely 2 people if not a third person.

Based on who is left, and who I know started the game good.. the original two members of Sauron's side could not have been alot of people.

The two original Sauron members have to be in a group of:

Ntndeacon
Mr.Wednesday
DaddyTorgo
Lonestargirl.

Because of various other things said during the game, I am finding it very unlikely that Lonestargirl was at least an original Sauron member as well. If she was, then well played as it would have required her to take her game to a second or third layer of thinking that would be Hoopsguy worthy. I'm including her in the list since thats possible, but I think I am guessing she started good.

So from Ntndeacon, Mr.Wednesday and DaddyTorgo I assume we will find 2 if not 3 bad guys.

We nail down the first 2 sauron members and then we need to worry about who was converted when. And for arguement sake we can include my name in that list along with everyonen else on who was possibly converted.

For now however we know there are at least 2 sauron members that were not converted and can be in that group. That is the group we should focus on now.

(This also assumes Schmidty is what he says he is due to his actions. Schmidty also could have been converted, but i highly doubt he started evil as well)

Well yes I am LSG, are you surprised? :)

If we scan ntn and he's good then we kill daddy. If we scan ntn and he's good I will also be highly surprised, considering the information we have available and the way the game has gone.

Oooh a death hum! I didn't know I had that power! :) In all seriousness, great job on the death write-ups and posts Anxiety, and in all seriousness good luck to the remaining players.

No, just frusterated that Gramm believed you enough to take his vote off of you 4 days ago. Some sort of head ranger he was.

If ntn is good, then I think it pretty much locks down Mr.W and DaddyTorgo as original Sauron members.

Scanning ntn or daddytorgo either one I think will help us out either eliminate one or the other or find us a bad guy.

And yeah, the bad guys would be really foolish to attack LSG tonight. It was obvious Schmidty guarded her 2 nights ago. I am very suprised they went after Gramm last night and not LSG last night. But I dont mind that too much.

THats not being very fair to Gramm. I will continue to think not killing thomkal that day helped us more than it hurt us. Perhaps its just my perspective based on what i know this game, but his staying alive and your staying alive this long has been nothing but benefit for us. We're at this point now where THomkal outlived his usefulness. You can disagree with me all you want though.

Glad we got Thomkal.

If LSG really is a Sauron baddy, and/or has been converted, we are dead. I'm just saying.

This is nitty-gritty for me. If either of the two most active "honest" players are rotten, we could be toast. My decision tonight is big.

I'll again be taking suggestions; however, I will make it a short (30 minute) suggestion time, because of Abe's bad day.

Speak up now.

I'm on the side of light. I am just a simple villager. Scan me, clear me and we can move on the others.

I would guard LSG tonight. No reason to guard me as I'm being pretty vocal about my thoughts and you'll have those tommorrow from my posts tonight. And my death will at least give more credence to my thoughts for those sitting on the fence.

At this point I believe that keeping the rangers alive is almost more important than getting more scans, considering the way our CoTs have been developing. Keep guarding whoever you think might be a ranger in mind.

To explain why.. I feel there is a 95% or better chance that 2 of the 3 in Mr.W, DaddyTorgo and Ntndeacon are bad. I'll accept that one of the three might be good but I don't honestly know which (even if its ntn). LSG staying alive another night to either clear or condemn one of those three will be a huge help in narrowing down the bad guys at this point.

Decision made, and sent.

One other thing.. because of something LSG said about 4 days ago subtly and the way some things have unfolded since then, I have a feeling that LSG is not bad. I'm putting my faith in this right now on what happens the next 3 days as far as figuring out who is who. LIke I said before, LSG could have purposely thrown out that info in a way where only I would have noticed it and bought trust with it just for this specific scenerio.. but the foresight needed for that type of play and the possibility of it ever coming to be just would be tremendously small in my mind.

So the 2 bad guys in the group of Mr.W, DaddyTorgo and Ntndeacon is working on the assumption that she was good and additionally Schmidty was good and not an evil bodyguard protecting another evil member.

So if the bad guys choose to kill me tonight, at least you'll know I'm not blowing smoke about my role or allegiance :)

Like you would need him to be bad to go after me tomorrow :)

If she scans me be ready to be surprised

Frankly my dear.......

:cool:

I can offer a personal guarantee that you will find at most two bad guys in that trio. :)

You can be certain that Thomkal did not know that any out of myself, Jonathan, or Schmidty were bad, based on Swaggs's statement. Unfortunately, you can't be certain which (if any) of us he knew were good.

I find his deathbead confession, as it were, interesting because our natural assumption would be that Thomkal was the last of Saruman's band. If that's the case, upon his death, his side can't win the game, so why throw things up in the air for us? Is there another follower of Saruman at hand?

Finally, Alan, I'd like you to spell out in more detail what you've seen that convinces you LSG is good. I'm not sold right now -- and I won't be until she hands up one of Sauron's agents.

For that matter, you're not off the hook now yourself, if we can believe anything Thomkal has said, and everyone else should be using appropriate caution in determining how far to let you lead the discussion.

I am not prepared to do that as it would make the night kill targets tonight a bit easier for the bad guys (even if you arent one ofthem). Most of what I say right now is for the 1 or 2 good guys out there who honestly don't know who to believe right now.

I appreciate the support Mr. W :D