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lordscarlet 02-28-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 1671311)
not very well from me as I see the cookbook that could have been there instead is the Joy of Cooking.

On another note, having a series that must be read sequentially basically meant it had to be a very long book published in sections. The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew; Jeeves; Nero Wolfe all came to mind as series. However none of them qualified under the usage that they had to be read sequentially. To me it basically was a 2nd sci fi category because of that. For those who think that the Foundation series was a bit early should remember, that when the Hugo awards looked at the best series of books ever, it was Foundation series that won not Lord of the Rings or Dune. I also thing Dune is a great series as well.


Yes. This is the categorization I am most unhappy about. I wish I did not put the qualifier of "read in sequence".

MrDNA 02-28-2008 12:51 PM

Well, pretty much all my undrafteds already were nabbed, but for posterity's sake here are the two that weren't:2. Single Short Story: Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor3. Poem: Because I Could Not Stop for Death, Emily DickinsonSurprised no one drafted Dragonlance Chronicles.

lordscarlet 02-28-2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 1671333)
Well, pretty much all my undrafteds already were nabbed, but for posterity's sake here are the two that weren't:2. Single Short Story: Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor3. Poem: Because I Could Not Stop for Death, Emily DickinsonSurprised no one drafted Dragonlance Chronicles.


I love the Dragonlance Chronicles but they are pretty far from literature. :)

MrDNA 02-28-2008 01:05 PM

Depends if you're defining literature snootily or not. "Tarzan" is literature only because it's old. :)

MrDNA 02-28-2008 01:06 PM

dola - did I miss how we do the votes? Is it PM to LS?

ntndeacon 02-28-2008 01:07 PM

what were your other picks DNA. out of curiosity

ntndeacon 02-28-2008 01:08 PM

that or there is a votes thread DNA

lordscarlet 02-28-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 1671359)
dola - did I miss how we do the votes? Is it PM to LS?


Check the voting thread. :)

MrDNA 02-28-2008 01:09 PM

*whistles quietly to himself*

sabotai 02-28-2008 02:08 PM

I don't have a best of the rest list, but here are a few things I was thinking about and waiting to see if they would be taken. Faust by Goethe was one of the poems I was talking about earlier. Thought someone would take Nietzsche in the later rounds or The Prince. Common Sense by Thomas Paine would have been a good pick too.

And one last comment, I loved CR's last pick.

Eaglesfan27 02-28-2008 02:48 PM

I have at least 500 posts to read and catch up on, but I'm surprised that no one selected any of the books from The Wheel of Time or the entire series for the draft. It has sold well over 30 million books, it is immensely popular. It has spawned video games, MUDs, etc. While I think the quality falters some in the latter books, I think other selections also suffered from this.

Warhammer 02-28-2008 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai (Post 1671497)
I don't have a best of the rest list, but here are a few things I was thinking about and waiting to see if they would be taken. Faust by Goethe was one of the poems I was talking about earlier. Thought someone would take Nietzsche in the later rounds or The Prince. Common Sense by Thomas Paine would have been a good pick too.

And one last comment, I loved CR's last pick.


I actually thought about all those works in non-fiction. The one that didn't cross my mind was Faust. That would have been great.

ntndeacon 02-28-2008 03:22 PM

I wasn't too surprised but the Elements by Euclid has been teaching humanity geometry for near 2000 years. I woulda grabbed it :)

MrDNA 02-28-2008 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 1671362)
what were your other picks DNA. out of curiosity


Had a few others that I didn't see which I forgot about while at work:

1. Fiction - Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes
2. Single Short Story - Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor
3. Poem - Because I Could Not Stop For Death, Emily Dickinson
4. Fantasy/Science Fiction - Dracula, Bram Stoker
5. Series (A set of books continuing the same story and intended to be read sequentially) - Dragonlance Chronicles, Weiss and Hickman
6. Sport Related - Moneyball, Michael Lewis
7. Children's - Aesop's Fables, Aesop (although I did question is there was intended for children or not)
8. Non-Fiction - Freakonomics, Stephen Dubner and Steven Levitt
9. Biography/Autobiography - Life of Johnson, James Boswell
10. History - Democracy in America, Alexis de Toqueville

st.cronin 02-28-2008 03:46 PM

I thought the toughest categories were sports, poem, and short story. As I mentioned above, my preliminary "big board" only had 2 poems - Paradise Lost and Rime of the Ancient Mariner. For short story, I thought there was only one good choice (The Dead), and then about a billion B- picks, including the Hemingways and the O'Connors and the Faulkners. For sports I considered DeLillo's End Zone, but figured not many people here had read it. I didn't really have a second choice for Rabbit, and the only question was whether I wanted it in sports or series. I'm surprised at the lack of love for the Updike pick - it seems like the kind of book that would be very popular on this board.

Somebody asked for my pre-draft top 5, here it is:

1. James Joyce, The Dead
2. John Milton, Paradise Lost
3. JRR Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings
4. Shakespeare, Richard II/Henry IV Parts 1 and 2/Henry V (series, obviously)
5. The Gospel of John (biography)

st.cronin 02-28-2008 03:49 PM

dola, I really struggled with the series pick, just wasn't sure what I wanted there. There were a couple of other works I ended up not picking simply because I couldn't find a category for them:

Bhagavad Gita
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Letters to Anais Nin (by Henry Miller)

Passacaglia 02-28-2008 03:53 PM

Crazy. As surprised as I was that no one drafted Don Quixote while skimming as the draft went on, I'm equally surprised that so many people have it on their undrafted lists.

lordscarlet 02-28-2008 03:55 PM

I don't think I have ever read a single "Sports" book.

st.cronin 02-28-2008 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1671639)
Crazy. As surprised as I was that no one drafted Don Quixote while skimming as the draft went on, I'm equally surprised that so many people have it on their undrafted lists.


I considered it, but I just hated the second half so much that I didn't want it on my team.

Calis 02-28-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 1671641)
I don't think I have ever read a single "Sports" book.


I think there are actually some great from a literary standpoint sports books. My top choice in the field didn't even go and that's The Professional by W.C. Heinz which is a fantastic book that happens to also be a sports book.

I'd like to also add Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthyto the list of "rest" in Fiction. It didn't deserve to go in the normal draft, but I think it's an overlooked classic. It's Moby Dick if Moby Dick wasn't boring as hell to read!

MrDNA 02-28-2008 04:38 PM

Goddamn, Blood Meridian was the most violent thing I've ever read. They say it's a tale of "redemption through violence." Well, I found the second part, anyway. Great writing, though.

cartman 02-28-2008 04:44 PM

I wonder which category Dianetics would have gone into if picked.

Vince 02-28-2008 05:02 PM

Most of my "best of the rest" picks went in the last three rounds. Don Quixote never even occured to me, and it would have been a great pick.

Buccaneer 02-28-2008 05:33 PM

If I had participated and had a clear head, I would have picked:

Seuss for Children's
probably one of the Grimm's for Short Story
Sandberg's Lincoln for Bio
Tolkien for Series
Mao for Non-Fiction
'Twas the Night Before Christmas for Poem

wade moore 02-28-2008 05:42 PM

Only thing I'd say with that list Bucc is it's pretty weighted towards Children's stuff.

Buccaneer 02-28-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore (Post 1671809)
Only thing I'd say with that list Bucc is it's pretty weighted towards Children's stuff.


Didn't realize that but it seems that the books/stories we really remember are the ones that have stayed with us throughout our lives, passing down from generation to generation.

wade moore 02-28-2008 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1671812)
Didn't realize that but it seems that the books/stories we really remember are the ones that have stayed with us throughout our lives, passing down from generation to generation.

Yup. I can't criticize the choices themselves, but seeing them together that was my first reaction.

ntndeacon 02-28-2008 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 1671615)
Had a few others that I didn't see which I forgot about while at work:

1. Fiction - Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes
2. Single Short Story - Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor
3. Poem - Because I Could Not Stop For Death, Emily Dickinson
4. Fantasy/Science Fiction - Dracula, Bram Stoker
5. Series (A set of books continuing the same story and intended to be read sequentially) - Dragonlance Chronicles, Weiss and Hickman
6. Sport Related - Moneyball, Michael Lewis
7. Children's - Aesop's Fables, Aesop (although I did question is there was intended for children or not)
8. Non-Fiction - Freakonomics, Stephen Dubner and Steven Levitt
9. Biography/Autobiography - Life of Johnson, James Boswell
10. History - Democracy in America, Alexis de Toqueville


That Bio pick is better than most of the ones actually picked.

Passacaglia 02-28-2008 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1671647)
I considered it, but I just hated the second half so much that I didn't want it on my team.


I can understand that.

Chief Rum 02-28-2008 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 1671333)
Well, pretty much all my undrafteds already were nabbed, but for posterity's sake here are the two that weren't:2. Single Short Story: Good Country People, Flannery O'Connor3. Poem: Because I Could Not Stop for Death, Emily DickinsonSurprised no one drafted Dragonlance Chronicles.


Because I Could Not Stop For Death was another on my poetry list. We could have a poetry draft alone with all the good choices out there.

DaddyTorgo 02-28-2008 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 1671311)
not very well from me as I see the cookbook that could have been there instead is the Joy of Cooking.

On another note, having a series that must be read sequentially basically meant it had to be a very long book published in sections. The Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew; Jeeves; Nero Wolfe all came to mind as series. However none of them qualified under the usage that they had to be read sequentially. To me it basically was a 2nd sci fi category because of that. For those who think that the Foundation series was a bit early should remember, that when the Hugo awards looked at the best series of books ever, it was Foundation series that won not Lord of the Rings or Dune. I also thing Dune is a great series as well.


thanks ntn!

Maple Leafs 02-28-2008 10:01 PM

Quick thanks to lordscarlet, this was a very well concieved and well run draft.

MrDNA 02-28-2008 10:09 PM

This was awesome. I will be sorry tomorrow when I don't have this to check out when I'm sneaking away from work :)

lordscarlet 02-28-2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs (Post 1672052)
Quick thanks to lordscarlet, this was a very well concieved and well run draft.


Thanks for creating the concept. :)


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