What's the deal with Trumps "breathing"? Anyone else notice it?

My God, listening to Trump on his birtherism is painful.

Edit: And now she just flat out calls him a racist.

I think he just has a bit of a cold.

Many people are saying he did coke before the debate.

I told my wife he sounds like he really needs a drink. His voice is struggling after about 45 seconds of his two minutes.

Body language alert: Trump looks very fidgety and flailing, but Clinton has presented as more still and relaxed.

Trump lost the fat hacker vote with his 400 lb. comment.

I think Trump is getting hammered, but I guarantee his supporters think he's killing it. We're just beyond facts, reason, or basic logic now.

Heh, I wonder how that went down over at r/The_Donald

I kept an open mind as to who I thought was winning. Trump did well early on but damn that birther stuff just destroyed him.

I actually thought Hillary could have hit hard on the birther topic, she missed a softball there. But, yeah, not a good look for Trump.

Isn't stop and frisk unconstitutional? I'm all for being tougher on crime but he keeps talking about instilling something that is unconstitutional.

"The record shows that I'm right."--Donald J. Trump

Hey guys, I think Trump supported the Iraq War.

"I haven't thought a lot about NATO".

That just happened.

Donald's support for/not war in Iraq will be a major piece tomorrow.

When the moderator questioned him on whether it was constitutional he said that the judgment that it was unconstitutional was made by a bad judge who hates the police and that it would be overturned if it was appealed.

I feel bad for all those people updating Hillary's fact checking website in real-time. They need combat pay, or at least disability benefits.

"Whoo, okay" ... nice comeback after that torturous monologue.

"I have a much better temperament than she does". LMAO

OK, she is officially killing Trump.

Don't you know that they are all in great shape, have high paying jobs, and super hot model girlfriends?

Rocky, throw the damn towel!

I thought his tv experience would help but she got him off his game quickly tonight and he's miss opportunities to either answer the question or hit her back when there was an opening.

Still voting for johnson thougb.

Trump has seemingly given up, he's completely stopped trying to interrupt Hillary and cut her off.

She has left herself open a few times, but he simply doesn't know enough about anything relevant to take advantage. But I'm With Her, so maybe I just have my red pantsuit glasses on.

Hillary's stamina comeback was pretty good.

This is getting kind of embarrassing at this point.

Trump hasn't been able to coke up for an hour and a half. You try to go that long without a bump.

Howard Dean Thinks Donald Trump Might Be On Coke

Poor Trump had his feelings hurt by negative ads.

She needs to say "that's just business Donald."

Trump gritting his teeth at Holt a few times was not a good look.

I wish Lester would just say,"just answer my fucking question."

Sneering at a black man, plenty of people will eat that up.

Sad to think that nearly half this country watched the same 90 minute debate and think Donald is the clear choice to lead this nation.

PredictIt has gone from .63 before the debate to .69 now.

I feel like more pressure was on Hillary tonight, and she survived it. She needed to be aggressive while also trying to appear cool and likeable. I think she pulled it off, but her monotone, measured speaking tone is just rough.

With narrowing of the polls, and the expectations game seemingly favoring Trump if he was composed, Trump really flailed after a good start. The lack of debate prep was glaring. Second debate will be interesting to watch to see if he actually puts some time into prep.

It almost feels like he felt like he could get by on his charisma or his prep team guessed wrong on all the question that were going to come up tonight.

He survived with interviews after every debate so maybe he is planning on falling back on that tonight.

This has been trump's weakness from the outset. His lack of knowledge on issues at this point is inexcusable. If he were serious at all about becoming president he'd have shown some improvement by now.

He did fine in the primaries because in a multi-candidate debate, it's easier to get by on personality. When it's just two people, you have to actually know a few things.

Amusing to read this thread after the debate. We get it, FOFC, you lean just a little to the left.

Just switched over to Fox post-debate coverage. They were slamming his performance...then switched to a lovefest interview with DJT and Hannity.

The irony in this post may break FOFC.

:lol:

I'm actually a registered Republican and presented a fairly balanced review of both candidates. But you keep fucking that chicken.

Trump sucked in his debate skills tonight, and you're in denial if you think differently. That's a completely different issue than who I think would be a better Presidential candidate or who I would actually vote for in November.

Yeah, I wandered over to Fox too. I think they're just going to regroup and figure out what the spin should be. Looks like it might be the 30 year stuff, and that he did well for his first one-on-one vs her fifteenth.

Not a registered Republican, but have never voted Democrat for POTUS (and extremely rarely for other offices). She won this hands down. No question. (And as I mentioned, he's getting criticized by everyone over at Fox other than Hannity right now.)

Word is that Bill was seen heading out of the debate hall with Melania.

Did Megyn Kelly take a shot at Hannity? What I *thought* I heard her say was "Donald Trump is with Sean Hannity right now. We'll see if he talks to the journalists in the room." Did I hear that correctly?

Speaking of Hannity, is he saying Trump was privately against Iraq? ;)

She ripped him a new one after he seemed to be doing fairly decently the first half hour (was she baiting him?), but we'll see if it translates to poll numbers.

"I haven't thought much about NATO" should be the end of his campaign.

Heh, yep - I raised an eyebrow at that. But I wasn't sure if it was a dig at him or the journalists (that's seen as an insult there, right??).

He really did miss a wide-open opportunity on cyber-security.

Are you angling to be the "Fat to Fit Czar" for all of those 400 pound hackers? :D

Trump's post-debate comments to Fox News and CNN also suggest he realizes a missed opportunity in bringing up Bill/Monica in response to the feminism questions/response at the end of the debate.

I guarantee she had a response prepared for that.

A lot of people are saying Trump is on coke, which is ridiculous. People on cocaine love to talk about their specific plans for the future.

— Josh Gondelman (@joshgondelman) September 27, 2016

Oh no - he killed himself. Even the PBS nerds (whom I happily watched) granted Trump the first half-hour, but then ... oh lawsy.

My favorite bit was during the cybersecurity "debate", when Trump randomly throws in the fact (I guess) that he has a 10 year-old son who's so good with computers "it's amazing."

WTF does that have to do with anything? And on and on it went ...

And here come the claims that Holt was biased because he asked Trump hard questions where he had to defend himself!

It could be pneumonia!

I didn't watch the vast majority of the debate, so I'll just assume, based on the Drudge poll results, that Trump absolutely destroyed Hillary.

Well probably to no one surprise, I thought Hillary did well in the debate. She stood there for 90+ minutes and took everything Trump threw at her mostly well. She didn't look to be affected by the pneumonia, I'm not sure she ever drank any water. Trump sounded like he needed to blow his nose early on, and drank every chance he got. I loved her response to his stamina ramble. "I sat in front of a Republican subcommittee for 13 hours, etc." She was clearly ready to debate him, I was worried they had over-prepared.

Let's face it, there is never going to be a good response by Clinton over her emails-I like this this time she didn't try to shift he blame to Colin Powell or her staff. Trump was at his best in attacking her on it, and I'm sure that will resonate with some voters.

But boy did he go off the deep end on the birther question though. CNN had Hillary's campaign manager on after the debate, and also showed an interview with her and Wolf about it. Claimed whatever Trump said was wrong, who was responsible for it, told Obama's campaign manager about it and apologized for it then. So no matter what websites Trumps' team keep yelling about, its just not true Hillary started or had anything to do with the birther movement. I thought it went all downhill for Trump after that-hated how he kept interrupting her and the moderator, and I liked Hillary closed her debate.

CNN had a group of undecided voters, 20 I think-18 said Hillary won. They commented on another group on another network 16 to 6 had Hillary winning. CNN had a poll of some 600 debate watchers (with the caveat that more democrats than Republicans in the group and they went 67-26% Clinton. After all that, I'm not sure it was enough to move people away from Trump because of the stink of Benghazi and the emails around her.

So the ‘Keepin' It 1600’ crew took up @realDonaldTrump on his plea to call Sean Hannity... #debatenight #debates2016 pic.twitter.com/2qf2QoTflC

— The Ringer (@ringer) September 27, 2016

Hillary jumped from -210 to -255 on my offshore sportsbook right after the debate.

My post debate analysis:

If you liked Clinton then Clinton won

If you liked Trump them Trump won.

IcanwishforCarsonWentz?

I don't think you have to lean to the left to know what happened tonight.

Im not even from the United States and it's clear as day who won that debate.

(Hint, not Trump)

If this was a hockey game, Trump won the first period, but lost the last two.

This.

And I imagine Trump stirred up the anti-establishment.

Clinton may have looked better as a debater. But Trump looked better as an "outsider".

Maybe we need outsiders to become air traffic controllers. Surely, total ignorance is the way to go with a complicated job like that. Outsiders using common sense would obviously do a better job than people who have trained for the job for years. Right?

Let the great microphone conspiracy of 2016 begin!

Some of these are really good.

The Funniest Internet Reactions To Monday Night’s Presidential Debates

80% of drudge readers think trump won, so it must be true

Sportsdigs had this take 2 weeks ago. :)

If this was a hockey game, Trump came out of the first period with a respectable 2-1 lead, shipped 5 goals and pulled his goalie in the 2nd, and then lost his first 3 lines to instigator penalties in the 3rd.

Anyway... where's Maple Leafs when you need him?

He sounded like my grandmother after I showed her how to click the lever on a slot machine game we had on our Compaq Presario in 1996.

I voted for Clinton on that Drudge poll last night, and I wasn't given the option to look at the results afterward. Maybe their server was overwhelmed, but I had a good laugh.

Currently, that poll has 82.31% of participants voting for a Trump debate victory. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that most of those folks didn't actually watch the debate last night. Wowsers ...

"folks"

Ah...there it is:

Donald Trump Won First Presidential Debate, According to Online Polls : People.com

Actually that link doesn't suggest what I am assuming...that those votes aren't from "folks."

I'm can't believe we haven't discussed the possibility that Trump is an FOF fan and banned FOFC member/leader of the alt-right.

You seem to be hung up on a pretty simple word. "Folks" means people, human beings, homo sapiens ... If you're trying to read something else into it, you're wasting your time. But that's the internet for you.

Uh, no.

I'm suggesting that they're neither folks, people, human beings, nor homo sapiens,.

Meanwhile....Rubio's on the bench....if coach would've put me in, things would've been different.

I was thinking that I'd love to see a Republican like, say, Paul Ryan and HRC have a serious policy-wonk debate in last night's format of having some space to reply back and forth. That was one thing that frustrated me last night: there was *ample* room for not just the 2-minute response, but for genuine back and forth on issues. But it was wasted with that pair up there. I suspect it'd bore most of the country to tears, though.

not enough ggggggg

I did have the same thought, though...

FWIW, I think Hillary clearly owned the debate and yet I'd still vote for Trump over her.

Most Presidential decisions aren't dictated by who reacts fastest.

+1

In general, I agree with you on the concept that debates value and showcase skills that don't necessarily translate to doing the job well.

That said, I'll offer one small counterpoint: I would think that *any* candidate forced to prepare for a 1-on-1 debate with Donald Trump would get their "ability to predict/plan/prepare for the unpredictable/unexpected" skills tested. In other words, preparing for and debating against Trump isn't going to help a candidate determine the best way to handle health care or create jobs, but I could see where some of the thought processes involved might help with crisis management.

Agreed.

No president has ever made a crisis decision solo on the fly. That's what a cabinet is for. Given the two candidates, the more we know about who they would select for their cabinet is FAR more important to me than the actual candidates at this point. If they pick people they can run over, I'd be far more worried about that candidate.

Yeah no kidding. I know as a CISO for a large Japanese global tech company I only hire completely inexperienced people to fill the roles of information security engineers ands analysts on my teams.��

Just the most important ones. YMMV.

Of course.

But it's fairly safe to assume that *some* of the people involved in preparing for debating someone like Trump would also be involved in crisis decisions of a Presidency. (And if not the people, at least the process.)

I am pretty sure the implication of the word "outsider" in politics is someone who is not bought off by the system. Is Donald Trump an outsider? Absolutely not the guy has made millions/billions from our plutocracy. Also somebody that is a lifetime politician like Harry Reid who is somehow loaded even though he has worked in the public sector his whole life is not an outsider. While somebody like Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich would fit the term.

Not an outsider...

I think it helps HRC's confidence for those situations. But not all world leaders are as wonky as Trump.

If nothing else, I did like Trumps willingness to address the debacle that is the Democratic monopoly on race relations. Perhaps that gives the right some in-roads to affect change there in the future. The right is simply unwilling to let go of the notion (and I agree with not letting it go) that the inner city crisis is based on corporations leaving the USA because of bad trade deals and also unwilling to budge on the notion that criminals deserve the focus instead of the cops. The stats obviously back that up but we haven't been willing to have that discussion yet. Clinton will continue to push the "Its the cops, stupid" agenda for the next four years.

And I do agree that we give other nations a huge advantage in manufacturing and trade. We need to remember that China and Mexico pay their workers a pittance compared to ours so any additional benefits are just crushing us.

I read something a while ago that for Apple to build iPads in the US and make the same profit they would need to charge ~100% more. That needs to be addressed. And with opening the doors to allow hundreds of thousands of new workers into the country when our system is broke, it's leading to long-term problems for us. How are African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans going to increase their job opportunities when the Democrats are also opening the door wide open for millions more to enter? 10 million jobs starts to not sound so good when we are continuing to export jobs out and let more people in. I don't see where OUR minority population wins under the strategy.

I do like HRC on national security rather than Trump. I think she did a really good job there and while Trump talked about "bad experience" I believe she learns from those experiences and makes better decisions. She is very hawkish after all and I think she will kick the shit out of ISIS in the coming years.

So my take, HRC won. But in the three categories, I break it out like this.

Economy - Trump
Race relations - HRC (by default, although I liked Trumps arguments better, I know they just aren't ringing true)
National Security - HRC

Ehhhh...other than maybe 9/11, I'm having a hard time thinking of a time when a crucial crisis decision has had to be made with a serious time crunch where 2 minutes vs. 30 minutes mattered.

No you don't.

You don't suspect that.

You know it with a great degree of certainty, same as any other realistic person does.

Benghazi.