same thing if we get a lynch in on one of jackal/autumn (and figure out the other's allegience) and then get a quick-vote on the other to wipe them down. at worst then we're 7-2

How will that limit their ability to kill? I would guess they get one per lynch, it would seem to make WW sense that way.

EF, why are you jumping on Purdue about this? saldana brought it up a page and a half ago which is why we're seeing votes consolidate on Autumn.

I don't get why you seem to have a problem with it after Purdue votes.

hey BK - as of #2490

IS 1 - henry (2306)
Thom 2 - Brian (2408), ntn (2413)
Jack 2 - Autumn (2416), DT (2441)
Autumn 7 - path (2388), Jack (2445), EF (2469), sal (2474), king (2480), PB (2485), Schmidty (2488)

Heading home in a few minutes. I've got a couple things to take care of but should have a chance to check in at least.

You are still looking at the immediate. We still would have 4 more people from the list to go through. If we qo the quick route we have nothing to help make the final decision if there needs to be one.

Not going to say another word about it. If we do get down to the final one lynch for the game vote and lose because we have nothing to go off you can expect a very big "I TOLD YOU SO" post. :)

We're over 50%, that has to be a lynch by now I would imagine.

we can take our time with the next one though - with jackal/autumn we have a fairly clear "one is good and one is bad" situation. there's already a significant concentration onto autumn, so we might as well get the lynch and see if we were correct or not. next time we can take our time

dinnertime

I don't see the fairly clear picture to be honest. Could be two wolves trying to play off each other to gan trust for one.

dola: I still think we should not have a run away but I don't think that it's clear cut one is bad and the other is good. I doubt that they are both good though. I think it's either one and one or both are bad.

That's exactly right, there's no real point for me to come out with this if I'm a wolf. I didn't come out saying to lynch him, I came out suggesting him as the interrogation target, since DT asked for some advice ;-), since I figured that was something to go by. My read on Jackal has been gut, but looking back I wondered if that was meaningful, that he was on that villain list. I just really wanted to convince DT to take a closer look at him, since I thought he was our best target. I didn't expect to find him hiding.

Hmm... I literally have no clue who to vote for her. Both Autumn and Jackal have said some interesting things in the course of this game, setting up some alarms. Seems like there is a runaway on Autumn, but I don't necessarily want to be just jumping on. So, lemme think about this for a bit...

"vote for here", not her.

Sorry, was thinking of a girl ;).

Ah, he's voting for saldana.... :devil:


Sorry, the classics never die. :cool:

I"ve been stuck with teh kids, and the couple times I tried posting was getting an error. Which sucks.

You guys are wasting a vote on someone who I think was mildly more trusted than Jackal, when it's Jackal who has the fishy info. Maybe he's not a wolf, I don't know, I just know what my role scan showed. It's pretty frustrating to find something that can help and getting gunned at like this. I'm not sure what Jackal did to make himself so much more trustworthy to you all.

I'm not sure why DT isn't using the interrogation ability, which could save us a lynch of a villager at this point. It seems the vote's a foregone conclusion at this point though.

Right now you've got what seems a clear dichotomy here where Jackal or I are bad. Why waste a lynch on it when you could be lynching someone else on the trust list. Get them, interrogate one of us and you get three names settled rather than just one or two.

vote DT


Need to try a hunch...

The kids are supposed to be getting to bed, so I'm going to have to bail in a moment. Of course this game without deadlines ends up having them anyway, in a sense, and I'll probably miss this one if it hasn't passed already.

I'm not sure what else I can argue. DT knows my other scans have been accurate, and so if this one doesn't match what Jackal said that should be a big red flag. If the conspiracy is hiding behind fake roles being able to scan the rest of them would be helpful. I don't know that Jackal's supposed ability is as helpful as that but I'm imagining whatever it is isn't what it seems.

Whoa what

:jawdrop:

Why not try to make it intersting. If we lynch DT today and then go after the wolves. The damn wolves didn't do me a favor and off Jack. I have narrowed it down to him being the person that needs to die for me to get the major victory with the village. Do me a favor. Jack then list.

I bet Jackal's tempted. lol, good luck with that EF

Hell, I will hand you the wolves if you do this for me. Going undercover put me in PM contact with a wolf an they now believe I am on their side. I just needed their help to win this thing since I have no killing power.

I had no intention on helping them win, just using them for my gain.

If you're good, why would you do this at this point, even IF by some insane reason DT is a work? What does it accomplish? No one is going to believe you, and is going to put a huge target on your head. Makes ZERO sense.

Join me PB, if you didn't lie to me about your additional win condition this could help you earn that too.

How great of a WW story would this be, talking out Jack in a '24' themed game and then going for the win.

Make this vote and the game becomes and instant classic.

My win condition is very different than yours EF, I simply have to be one of the last six players remaining. Killing DT, who I think has been valuable, is not really in my agenda right now.

And yeah, it would make this an instant classic.

Although, let me add, ballsy freaking move and one that I'm impressed you made at this point.

Because I see the end of the game VERY close and am making my play now before it's too late. Especially if those lynches become back to back.

This is stupid.

I want to vote EF so much right now. But why would he do this, other than to sacrifice himself to divert attention Autumn or Thomkal????

I'm not falling into this trap, and I hope you guys won't either.

The game is almost over, killing DT extends it for a couple more people being eliminated. It gets you closer to 6.

funny cuz someone else told me the same damn thing, except they handed me a wolf.

If you're right, then what does it matter anyway? No one is going to believe you and we're dead anyway. If we're dead like you're saying, then WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU NOT JUST TELL US WHY AS A LAST-DITCH EFFORT?

Ugh, and I'm the one getting votes. Jackal's some crazed Balkan pretending not to be. Eaglefan is off his rocker, admits to not being aligned with the village and wants to kill Jack. But I'm the one you're going to lynch. Between this and getting killed as nightcrawler last game I'm about ready to take a break from werewolf.

idk autumn - the more i think about it the more i can see your POV...hmm

I've got to go now. Hopefully you guys will see the light and I'll be alive when I get back. DT, I'd gladly let you knock me over the head and drag me off for your interrogation. The quiet would be nice at this point, lol

LOL - now the truth becomes clear.

Why would the cleared villagers in my CoT who I have worked with all game join you in lynching me just to gain a major victory for a non-aligned character?

Yeah, I handed you CR on day 2. How quickly you forget. I only got this win condition after Michelle died but had no idea how I could get it done. I wasn't about to make the play on you early before I earned the trust of my contact which was before I knew we could win.

As long as we win, I don't really care but if I can earn the major victory it would just be a little sweeter. This how classic this move would be. Lynch DT, I give you the final names (so they don't kill me before hand) and we win.

Why do you think I have been pushing the cunning scan. I know who the cunning is and he is solidly within the CoT based on what I have read.

okay - check it out. we can lynch someone while they're being interrogated by me.

so the wolves just up and told you who all of them are? i find that hard to believe...that's pretty poor wolf-discipline...

I doubt they will, but if I don't try I never find out.

Come on CoT (except for you cunning), haven't you been tired of being led around by the hand? Knock off the source of your frustration and then win the game without him.

I'm confused. Good job EF.

so basically both EF and PB have said that they have earned the trust of wolves. EF on day 2 said CR was "questionable." PB on Friday sent me a PM saying that CR was a wolf and we needed to get him.

hmm...who to believe....

in that instance how am i NOT going to believe the person who was more definitive?

Nope, it took quite some time but they finally thought that I could be trusted. Pass was the only one that had it right when he went rogue to try to eliminate me. Sounds like there was some interesting PM's between the wolves when that happened based on what I was told. It was quite 24'ish.

Unvote Autumn

For now. EF gains nothing by this reveal now. We die either way if he's right.

Vote Eaglefan

For now.

EF - what if it comes down to take the minor victory with us or die? what's your choice then?

how bout you hand over the cunning and then i'll let you lynch me?

Why is no one answering or at least responding to my posts? Are you two riffing off of each other? I can't imagine DT being bad, but it just seems weird.

well that's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs there EF

vote EagleFan

heya *looking for your posts*

just trying to figure out what's goin on here

GAH!!!! I hate this!!! is EF a wolf drawing votes off of Thomkal or Autumn? Hello? Anyone have some ideas or excuses?

hmmm - it's certainly possible.

i'm really not sure what his angle is right now at the moment. would we have 2 people with essentially identical roles (contacting the wolves, neutral, independent win conditions) in the same game?

i think it's certainly possible. but if i'm the wolves and i'm in a game with non-aligned people i typically designate one wolf to be the contact-person, and i would NEVER reveal the cunning.

i've got an interrogation i can use...and we can lynch the person right away if we find a wolf via it...

i'll give myself up if you give up the cunning EF...how's that for a deal?

This is frustrating. I don't know who to believe right now. No one else is here that hasn't put their two cents in, so I'm going to watch the Home Run Derby for awhile.

we lynch the cunning and then everyone will lynch me

brian's here

I have no idea what PB may have done but this was my power. If he gained information during the normal PM's than bravo PB and well done. I went underground on day one to gain information and passed that information along. That information gave me three names and I passed them along as they were given to me. There is not much else I could have done at that point. I gained an informant which ended up being a conspiracy contact.

Like I said, you need to be killed for me to get a major victory. I doubt it will happen and I am not trying to gain your trust anyway, I want you gone so why would I want your trust?

Based on what I see I now feel that I have the power to either win the game for the village or sit back and watch the wolves win thanks to their cunning.

It's up to you.

Then the wolves take me out tonight and I don't gain that major victory.

Sorry, just being a little selfish. I will reveal once the vote is done, in case of night kill on me.

not if i interrogate you so they can't kill you

this is just bizarre on EagleFan's part. He's clearly been stirring up confusion all game, so I'm not even sure we can believe what he's telling us now. I'd say interrogate him if you can DT.

Sounds like a whole lot of crazy. No one seems interested in catching the wolf I did find, but I don't mind lynching another one. Chances are EF is a wolf hoping to keep alive by passing as a neutral. Or maybe that's PB's game, I don't know. but I agree, there's not going to be two of them. Ill vote for the one trying to off Jack Bauer.

unvote the jackal
vote eaglefan

even assuming there's a cunning in the CoT there's no guarantee that they'll win. or that they even told you the right name. i NEVER tell neutral's who the cunning is. ever ever.

that i can thomkal

actually autumn...like i said in thinking about it i'm thinking more that you may be correct.

so should i interrogate EF, or should we just lynch him and i'll interrogate someone else?

I'm not ready to get distracted by EF, focus on a wolf, we can come back to this if needed.

He's clearly hoping to get interrogated. My guess he's hoping to make you waste it, DT, maybe he's the cunning or he just really is a neutral, I don't know. But waste the interrogation on him and then you've still got to lynch one of jackal or I to solve this issue. I say we lynch him - best case he's really a wolf, worst case he's really a neutral and we eliminate some one with another win condition.

i'm not sure either...i just know that PB for sure passed us a wolf who we lynched, where Eagle just said CR was "questionable" in a list of 3 names he gave me.

for good reason that leads me to trust PB more...i don't see a wolf giving up another wolf at that point in the game, when the wolves were not under threat, versus a wolf giving me 1 wolf name out of 3 names at the beginning of the game

Interrogate EF or me, go for one of the independents. Obviously EF makes more sense but I offer myself as well.

This way we lynch a wolf and get info.

I think I just made some enemies based on a PM I just received from my contact. I am as good as gone before the end but they also had a message for PB. They said that you can kiss your major victory condition goodbye. But they may reconsider if you vote out DT tonight.

I don't know if I would trust them if I were you but that is your decision to make. I know that tonight is most likely my last night and I think I may want to avoid some of the areas where these guys live for a while.

I hoe that the wolves don't take this personally. It's a game and in the spirit of the 24 theme. If I run into any of you sometime I will buy you a beer if that will help make ammends.

yeah

I don't see what we gain by lynching EF. If he is a villager with a separate major win condition, lynching him is just a waste of time. Nobody is going to lynch DT, and we can find the cunning wolf if there is one. As EF has been saying recently, this is just about over. That tells me we've got all of the wolves in our non-trust list. I say we go Autumn, Thomkal, and The Jackal...in that order.

Pass had told us EF was bad, is that right? So we know the wolves were ready to have him offed. I don't nkow what that implies other than that EF is at best on the outs with the wolves, or at worst is just lying about knowing who they are.

For anyone that may be doubting me, I might as well just do this. That someone is me and DT got the same PM from me about 15 minutes prior.

very good point autumn

i actually disagree somewhat about going autumn first - his analysis has been very good this game (bringing up points like this)

DT, is there any chance that somehow EF can attack you if you interrogate him?

this is correct

i suppose. i'm thinking more that we just ignore him for now...settle on who we want me to interrogate, and then when i get the results of that we lynch

shall i interrogate autumn? thomkal? isiddiqui? jackal? kingfc?

Thank you. Somebody's listening. *sniff*

And let me throw this out there: Danny worked incredibly hard to protect my identity as did DT. Watching Danny have to squirm through that was the hardest WW thing I've had to endure. Even though it was right for my win conditions, it truly felt like the wrong thing to do to let Danny take that abuse. So Danny and DT, thanks.

Wolves, go ahead and take me as your night kill but lets get a freaking wolf before I go.

Vote count?

I hate to be a pest, but as time clicks on I'm going to get lynched regardless of your results the way votes are now, I think.

we'll they're going to have to pick between you and EF it sounds like PB. if what he said can be remotely believed.

PB was up-front with me from his initial PM guys - even though he has a victory condition of making it to the last 6 i told him I'd do what I could to get him to that in exchange for what he provided to us .

DT, in order, I would say interrogate:

Autumn
Jackal
Thomkal
ISsiddiqui
king

Obviously swap Jackal and Autumn depending on the vote.

Why was it important to protect your identity? Once you had revealed the information was there more you could do? Or was that part of their deal with you somehow?

DT, if EF actually knows a wolf identity, they'll pick him. If he doesn't, they'll pick me.

well autumn's in the lead - so either people should jump off him till i get the results or i should go with thomkal cuz when autumn is lynched it will tell us about jackal

was part of the deal i made with him

There is no need to pick between anyone. PB is not a wolf.

Obivously I'm biased but I continue to say, interrogating one of jackal or me clears/condems the two of us. So lynch further down that list, Thomkal, and then interrogate one of us and you have three people moved through.

Or EF and we'll know what he's up to.

i agree with you autumn. just wonder if we can get the move off you?