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Ardentus, can you summarize for me your thoughts on what happened yesterday. REAding it all in a rush, I don't have it clear.
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Yesterday? I'm not sure I know what you mean.
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That is weird. I thought for sure KWHit just hadn't been around at all today.
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Just to follow my other thought, I get where you're coming from but I think this is more a case of over-complicating a situation that is complicated enough already. I'll risk being wrong on someone who's been cleared twice in favor of someone who hasn't been cleared at all. |
I did as well, BK. I wasn't even thinking about him at the other sites, but I noticed his username "online" there.
I actually returned here to see what his answers were, only to find he wasn't online. |
I agree, we have to stop the fight over KWhit. We have a lot of other people that need to be cleared; the marginal return on THOSE scans is a lot greater than if we keep scanning KWhit, because it's just as likely that KWhit is NOT part of the little circle and the other two players ARE, using him as a means to clear themselves.
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Theory I just had (well, call it a theory if you wish). We are assuming at this point that Dodgerchick has gained the services of Ardent. And we don't want to kill an innocent villager tonight. I am more willing to place my vote on her tonight given all of the suspicions I have had with the hopes that if she is innocent Ardent will be able to change enough minds (remember, a laywer is more effective if you truly are innocent) to set her free. It will also give us a measuring stick to look at how Ardent's defense of Coffee Warlord stacks up against Dodgerchick's. They will be the only two people the entire game to have used the lawyers in defense.
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I'd like to note that I personally feel this is very much toeing the metagaming line...
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Ah, whatever. It wasn't like I was hunting for him. Besides, he's been online since the results came out, and he didn't post what he found out.
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That's why it's toeing the line and not over it. |
Another idea I had. The addition of service bids to the game creates another layer of voting record that can be checked by the village to determine whether someone is acting for or against the village. All the wolves really need is one or two people high enough in the wealth chain to win critical services. Given the existence of that voting record and the additional scrutiny that wealthy players have been placed under it would be smart for one or two wolves to remain under the radar. Have we checked to see if any of our members that started off in the lowest rung of wealth have made few if any lawsuits?
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I have only made one lawsuit, and it's not going to stick...I figured I was the bottom, swamped in almost every regard, losing the lawsuits I was getting sued on, why shold I clog up the legal system for no reason? Not everyone can sue everyone every day and ahve the system still do anything. |
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Mustangus and Tyrus Mustangus being the one that is pretty much UTR. |
Vote to nudge DC
I'm not that comfortable with this vote. I'm only doing it because st.cronin said I had to vote for one or the other. |
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Which he states here. |
Will CR be online at all tonight or is he just out until after the lynch?
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Something is not ringing true to me on this. KWhit also started off in the bottom of wealth and showed a remarkable ability to win both cases and wealth. I only show you being involved in two lawsuits during the first 4 days, and both of those were on Day 3. You have only been involved in a grand total of 4 lawsuits. You mean to tell me that you were thoroughly discouraged from suing people based on that? I also have not sued people this game, but I started off from a position of wealth and did not have trouble accessing services. |
OK, time to get a vote in:
VOTE THROW DC I still think they're both OK. And to clarify about my bid today, per the post that suggested I vote for the first bodyguard, I am placing a bid on Gallus Clarus. |
That's good and all, but I don't recall CW confirming that he placed a bid.
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I had no reason to sue anyone. To be honest, the way the lawsuits work in this game or less abhors me; it's a spam-o-ramic mechanic that I just didn't want to have any part of. If everyone was suing everyone the first few days we'd still be logjammed. Further, KWhit has shown a remarkable capacity to WIN; I have not. I could quite possible have sued myself even worse off, while just making more clutter for everyone. |
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I can't help that. I'm just trying to go with the plan. |
Understood, just pointing out that I'm smelling a little bad fish somewhere.
I may owe you, tyrith, and DT an apology before it's all said and done. |
VOTE THROW DODGERCHICK OFF THE CLIFF
A lot of discussion has gone on regarding Dodgerchick over the past couple of days. I feel good enough about voting for her to simply resolve the issue because I still think the odds are higher that she is a wolf than not. Plus, as mentioned earlier if she truly is innocent then Ardent could possibly change enough minds to save her life. |
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Honestly, I can't blame you for going after me at this point by and large...I've been quiet, unspectacular, and not particularly useful. This game really threw me off; I haven't been keeping track of stuff in the same manner I might typically, and generally I felt badly informed until this weekend. However, I strongly suspect there is someone at the top fo the game that's bad, or we're just incredibly lucky. Hm, could be either way, actually. |
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The AE factor depends on how bad we're executing her. What's the vote count? |
I'm going to vote against DC after all. Not much today to convince me not to.
DODGERUS VOTE CHICKUS (that means I vote to break Dodgerus Chickus in half) |
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I made 6 or 7 lawsuits the other day and lost all but 1. Speaking of lawsuits, what is the mechanic that determines lawsuits, I'm hazy on that. There has to be some mechanic where certain people can win all the lawsuits they have. Is there any connection to who wins what % of lawsuits when certain people or lawyers or in power? I would think that maybe traitors would have a higher win percent when they are paired up with another traitor in some measure (consul, lawyers, tribune) |
VOTE EXECUTE DC
More to end her seeming misery. I can't imagine someone being a Tarq would pound the podium that hard though to go this way... |
Hey now, the Warlord is here and can lock in his bid. How bout it, Warlord?
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Something to throw out there:
I know Narc said he wasn't going to be around. What if he came around? Would people like him to veto the execution? I've asked cronin and that means both DC and I would go free. |
I'm down with that.
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Guess that's a no from CW. That's just a little frustrating.
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Softball tossing with my wife, I might be gone till the top of the hour.
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I'd say no on the execution veto...I'd rather keep the vote close while still executing DC, then see if AE weasels her out of it. A raw veto is no test at all.
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I had this same idea while off washing the dishes. It's looking like it may be too much of a landslide to try it out though. I probably missed some votes but right now I have 10 against Dodgerus Erchickus. I'd be interested in seeing if the lawyer can get her out of this, a la Coffeus so I don't want to make it too extreme. For what it's worth, I've been rethinking my position on Senator Dodgerus. With that time washing dishes to think clearly about this, it would seem that in this particular game, locking up the seers would be the number one goal of hte traitors. Having someone rich to hire them and waste them on already semi-trusted people would be a safe way to do that. I'm not convinced, but between that and the chance of her innocence being proven by her lawyer, I would be more inclined to vote to execute her. I'm going to see what the vote count is and decide though. |
Right now I am leaning towards not arresting Coffee Warlord tonight, but he is a strong possibility for me depending on how Dodgerchick's trial goes.
My other suspects are DT, Mustang and Chubby. Anyone have any input? |
On that note, let's see what AE can do.
UNVOTE KILL DC VOTE KILL BARKEEP |
Ironhead, DT has been constantly distrusted throughout the game so he wouldn't be a bad choice. Chubby doesn't really seem to be doing much for us, so that might be another good possibility.
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Does someone have a better record of services won than I do?
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It seems to me that a good traitor strategy would be, as I mentioned above, lock up the lawyers and waste their scans. That turns my suspicion on Dodgerus, as everyone else has been saying. It also turns it on Abeus Anxietus, who scanned someone who had already been scanned.
Bodyguards would be anohter pivotal one for the traitors, but less so since there are so many targets in this game they could hope we'd guard the wrong person. I'd like to look over the records for lawyer and killer bids if someone has a good one. |
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I don't wnat us to narrow the arrests down too visibly, as it seems it gives the traitors a chance to disrupt them. However if you want to confine yourself to a list, those three or something else, then I'll make sure to arrest outside of it. |
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I would personally advise against any hedging of bets, as to me it would be VERY suspicious. It would seem like a wolf trying to save their companion by hiding behind the defense of helping the village. Even if we do kill Dodgerchick and she turns up innocent I am sure we can glean some information from Ardent's defense of her. I imagine the message would be something like "Ardent fought hard for Dodgerchick's life, changing X senator's minds but it wasn't enough." It isn't going to be "Arden't doesn't bother defending her because it is a landslide. Her death one way or another will provide us information and hopefully get us out of this stalemate and feeling of cluelessness. If this turns into a wasted day (no lynch, no information) because of hedged votes I will be pretty frustrated. |
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I was responding to your comment about Kayus Whitus, and his involvement in what happened yesterday. I assume you meant to do with the bidding setup. |
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You guys are forgetting something, CW was voted innocent and that's why he was let out of jail, am I right? He didn't NEED Swagg's service because WE, as a group, voted for him to be released.
I got Ardent this time around and I WANT to be voted "off the cliff", whatever that means. My assumption is that IF ya'll vote for me as being treasonous (spelling?), then that's when the lawyer comes into play. Am I missing something here? |
Tyrith: I think we've seen pretty clearly that the top lawyer swings 3 votes. How is anything gained?
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DC, I assume you haven't used the scan or haven't received word (I believe Cronin hasn't been here either). True?
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Keep in mind that the top lawyer swung 3 votes in defense of Coffee Warlord. The vote swing will vary, according to the rules, depending on whether the person is actually innocent or guilty. Up to now we have nothing to judge Coffee Warlord's defense against. |
So who should I scan? I strongly feel CW or Anxeity should be scanned, dunno which one. I'm still scratching my head over why Anxiety scanned Kwhit again.
And what happens if they KNOW they're getting scanned? Do they not send in for a kill? I'm a little hesitant to even mention who to scan out of fear that they won't do anything to come up "clean" (or as my PM states, "evidence of wrongdoing"). |
DC, Go with either of them. I would love to hear more about either.
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That's a good point, we may get a useful message either way. I guess I was hoping to avoid killing an innocent. If we could get just enough votes ot barely execute her, then hopefully if she was guilty she'd get thrown, if not the lawyer woudl save her. But I suppose that's asking a lot of a mechanic we know little about. |
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I think that if the scan depends on them actively doing something treasonous then we're completely screwed in this game. So I'm going to assume that it's a basic loyalty check. |
And by the way I support scanning either of those. Coffeeus coming up clean would lend some light on Kayus's loyalty as well, so that would be useful.
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Going to watch "Drive", I'll be in and out like a fiddler's elbow.
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We saw that...once? How is that clear? |
VOTE EXECUTE DODGERCHICK
the case has been pretty well laid out, and I don't feel like restating it |
I'm not content leaving the wealth to a group of people who may be traitors. So I'm going to make some lawsuits on the wealthiest bunch.
[b]I SUE ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS I SUE KAYUS WHITUS I SUE DODGUS ERCHICKUS I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS I SUE PATHUS TWELVEUS/B] |
Or rather
I SUE ARDENTUS ENTHUSIASTUS I SUE KAYUS WHITUS I SUE DODGUS ERCHICKUS I SUE ABEUS ANXIETUS I SUE PATHUS TWELVEUS |
Well, I submitted my PM.
I dunno if I can sue people while I'm in jail, but in case I can: Dodgus Erickus sues Ardentus Enthusiastus Dodgus Erickus sues Kayus Whitus Dodgus Erickus sues Abeus Anxietus Dodgus Erickus sues Grammus Atticus Dodgus Erickus sues Autumus Leavus If I can't sue from prison, scratch that. I'm going to bed if I'm out of the game, I hope ya'll gained the information you wanted. |
Autumn - I have sent in my arrest order for one of the people on the list I provided earlier.
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Ironus Headus, you wanted some input on yoru arrest choices. I think Daddyus Torgus has drawn the most suspicion of the group. Mustangus and Chubbus have evaded my radar somewhat by coming in part way through the game. I wouldn't have much to build a case on on them, but I certainly have had my suspicions about them.
I may have missed it, but I don't have much service bid history for any of them, which strikes me as curious. I think the traitors must have some people off the radar on the service map. |
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1. There is the possibility to convert we think, in teh game. 2. I'm unconvinced that the scan tells us who's a Tarq, but rather,m who has done illegal activity. That's how it was presented to me. Not all tarqs may have had their hands dirty way back on Day two, but may now. 3. I asked the group who they considered to be pseudo-cleared, before I submitted my scan action, and KWhit's name never arose. If people had felt KWhit was truly sorta-cleared, then they should ahve said seomthing in the several hours between me asking my question and the deadline. |
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Great. Ignore my meager input then. I have also submitted an arrest order, for someone not on your list. So we should have pulled this one off ;-) |
I havn't bid on anything, cept one time I bid on the ladies, cuz i'm so poor I just figured the odds of me getting it are so low, plus i'm so damm confused
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I am going to start doing my taxes now so that Uncle Sam doesn't come and arrest ME. I will be back after deadline.
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That's certainly a reasonable response, just as I can imagine that Dodgerchick had reasonable reasons to scan the people she did. The fact is though that this far into the game we have pretty much nothing to go by to pin a traitor. The best I can think of is to consider a strong strategy the traitors might have used and see if it fits anyone. They're obviously doing something that works. |
Well, since I have every motivation to reamin wealthy, and I'm getting double sued
Abeus sueth the following: Mustang DaddyTorgo Passus Caglius Pathus Twelveus I already beat the first two and the second two are on my level. Just keep me away from KWhit. ;) |
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This is a perfect example of a vote that is easy to miss. |
Sorry about that, I mean to space it out but obviously forgot.
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ST. CRONIN SMASH
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Wish I knew how to make my words bigger.
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Here's another, which I actually did miss first time through - I only found it because I assumed BK MUST have voted for DC, but didn't have it. current vote count: 12 - Dodgerchick - Barkeep (2335), Narcizo (2411), Ardent (2419), Grammaticus (2425), Chief Rum (2432), Coffee Warlord (2471), Anxiety (2514), path12 (2518), Ironhead (2523), Passacaglia (2526), Mustang (2528), DaddyTorgo (2559) 3 - Barkeep - Autumn (2442), Dodgerchick (2474), Tyrith (2538) |
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GO ADVANCED. |
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Can we get a vote count cronin?
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see post 2575
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That's a simile I haven't heard before. I like that. I plan to use it. |
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Suspicious list or Trusted list, I think it has been established that any suspect list containing myself should contain Pass... |
Mustang sues the following
Mustang sues Ardentus Enthusiastus Mustang sues Kayus Whitus Mustang sues Abeus Anxietus Mustang sues Dodgeus Erchickus- Mustang sues Passus Caglius Mustang sues Pathus Twelveus Mustang sues Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus- Mustang sues Coffeus Yakus Warlordus- Mustang sues Grammus Atticus- Mustang sues Ironus Headus Mustang sues Narcizus Lispus Mustang sues Autumnus Leavus Mustang sues Chiefus Rumus- Mustang sues Chubbus Chubbus Mustang sues Daddus Torgous Mustang sues Tyrus Ithus |
Tyrith sues Mustang because he feels like it
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Fine. If people are suing me for no reason but my own hard-earned wealth then:
PATHUS TWELVUS SUES: DADDYUS TORGOUS PASSUS CAGLIUS IRONUS HEADUS MUSTANGUS WHATEVERUS CHUBBUS CHUBBUS |
UNVOTE EXECUTE DODGERCHICK
VOTE FREE DODGERCHICK I just read autumm's post, and it made some sense |
UNVOTE EXECUTE DC
VOTE EXECUTE BK Let's see what this does. |
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Pretty much why I sued you. |
suing me path? you're not going to find much $$ there
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I've been fliip flopping on it, so I don't know which one you read. But remember if you don't vote for Barkeepus, then it will count as abstaining. |
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Story of the legal system :) |
VOte execute barkeep
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dola
didn't wanna be seen as abstaining |
Wow. Nice timing.
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deadline
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Unless I have made an error, the courts have no lawsuits to hear today. The lawsuits made today will be heard tomorrow.
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services pms coming
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Ardent sues everyone. Again.
This assumes, of course, start of the new day. |
The following are the votes for execution:
10 - Dodgerchick - Barkeep (2335), Narcizo (2411), Grammaticus (2425), Chief Rum (2432), Coffee Warlord (2471), Anxiety (2514), path12 (2518), Ironhead (2523), Passacaglia (2526), Mustang (2528), 5 - Barkeep - Autumn (2442), Dodgerchick (2474), Tyrith (2538), Ardent (2586), DaddyTorgo (2591) Dodgeus Erchickus insists that you must hear from her attorney, Ardentus Enthusiastus. You all wait around, but he never shows up. Thus she is pronounced guilty, and hurled from the rock. |
poop!
between anxiety and me, I know i'm innocent. That much I know. I don't feel strongly about anxiety being guilty either FWIW |
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Wow, what happened there? Perhaps she was lying about the lawyer? Or did someone send the sex slaves to him? |
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