I dont disagree with the state of politics in this country. I've stated repeatedly in this thread that the United States is on a downward spiral from which it is now impossible to recover. Our nation is finished. And this is one of the reasons. Democrats fucking suck too.

However, on the specific case of whether Democrats would on a 100% party-line vote support and ignore whether a judicial nominee is a rapist: No, they would not. And more importantly, whether the individual human beings on this board, would just blindly and balatantly support a rapist, fuck you for even suggesting this, and fuck no we would not.

1) Or he didnt because he said he never got black out drunk and 63 women from that time wrote letters about his character.
2) You are absolutely wrong. This pay back for Garland.

So how did Gorusch get confirmed?

And the word of one woman does not make him a rapist.

Im sure the Dems could find one woman who said he sexually assaulted her. Oh wait, they already did that.

But you did.

You do know at any point Kavenaugh could request a FBI investigation and/or request Judge to testify on his behalf?

He seems to prefer this be a "he said, she said" thing.

If he raped her it does.

Fatigue and a republican majority?

And the Dems did filibuster.

And you have proof of this? Actual evidence?

No, Im saying she is lying because she is lying.

No, because we're unable to get a FBI investigation on this because midterms are too close.

Let that sink in, if Kavenaugh is confirmed without knowing whether or not he raped these 3 women it's entirely because the Republicans in Senate are afraid of losing their majority during midterms. It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. The only reason Kavenaugh isn't being withdrawn because the vetting and confirmation process would take us past midterms.

There are very few people saying definitively that Kavenaugh is guilty. What they are saying is Ford's claims seem credible when you look at studies on sexual assault victims and before being given a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the country we should maybe make sure he isn't a rapist. That's not a high bar.

tarcone, refresh yourself on this thread:

Congressional Sexual Harassment Thread (Al Franken & Co.) - Front Office Football Central

And tell us once again that its all about the team and that we'll ignore and throw stones when the people on "our team" fuck up in such fashion.

"I really like Franken. Hope he resigns. We have a real opportunity to change the zeitgeist here regarding sexual assault by powerful men."

"Yeah. He was great as a legislator but should resign."

"Wow about Franken. Very disappointing. Thought he was one of the good guys."

"I think he's a great Senator. Unfortunately he should resign."

same person doubling down:

"Absolutely. He needs to live his apology. And his more recent statement and apology is fantastic."

tripling down:

"I think you're missing the point. It's not really about him right now. That may or may not be fair. Further, he purports to be a champion of women's issues. He's now lost all credibility with a significant number of influential women on those issues."

"He's admitted to it. Or at least pretty much so in his statements.

I think he should resign."


No "fake news" calls here. No smearing those for not saying something right away. Both sides suck. But on a personal level, one side DOES suck less. And the posters here most certainly are above this bullshit. Sadly, we have recent proof.

It seems to be vaguely referenced, but because I’ve never forgot it, and it’s relevant to everything today, here’s tarcone’s full quote:

I didn't watch the testimony as I was taking an afternoon nap after work. Does anyone think the hearing changed anyone minds? Or did it just reinforce existing beliefs.

Ok, lets take politics out of it.

Replace Kavanaugh with your Dad.

He has had a 36 year spotless career.
A woman steps forward and accuses him of sexual abuse.

Now the woman has no collaboration of her story. None of her friends remember it happening. She does not remember a time or place, just that it happened.

Your Dad has supporting evidence that it didnt happen (Calendar, supporting testimony).

How do you feel now?

Kavanaugh is now your dad? Is that seriously what you are going with?

Figured you would dodge a discussion, and a little introspection.

That isn't a discussion, it is a strawman

Tried and true isnt it?

If it is your father you would support him, and if it was something that would impact his career you would want his side to come out and get the truth. If it could not be substantiated or you have proof to the contrary you move on. There is also legal avenues if warranted and you can pursue them if the allegation is proven false.

But this isn't my Dad it is for an important position that influences and affects the laws in this country, so to say you should dismiss it because of how long ago or whatever is ridiculous.

This position is too important to just sweep this shit under the rug and brush off the accusations. What is happening now is what should be happening. And just because your father had a stellar 36 year career and was always a good dad doesn't mean something like this could not have happened. Your view is just as off kilter as someone who is extreme left and shouting guilty until proven innocent.

Let the process run it's course.

So you agree I wasn't dodging a discussion, you were just throwing out shit. Got it.

Dare I say people take a step back from this thread and take a deep breath before someone gets banned?

He almost lost it in the first half hour when he came out shouting and subsequently crying crocodile tears. If people want cover for voting him down, his inability to be impartial on a court is right there. He recovered some after a break.

You also seem to be glossing over that one of the accusers had a signed affidavit. You might want to just dismiss that out of hand, but that is a serious legal document with serious repercussions if it contains false information. They are the starting point for many criminal investigations where there is no direct knowledge by the authorities of a crime being committed. So if it were someone I knew, I'm with BYU where I'd want things cleared instead of being left out there.

Being good at your job and having committed sexual assault are not mutually exclusive, you know.

Bill Cosby could have used that defense

I actually agree with you that there has to be more to eliminate him.

I don't believe his story about being a "choir boy" (he probably should not have tried that defense, it'll come back to haunt him) but that's a ways off from being accused of rape.

From what I know so far, the friends she said could corroborate did not (correct me if I'm wrong, I posted a link about this a couple days ago). If there are some others that will come out and say this did happen, different story.

There is no pattern yet. The second woman, Ramirez, said Kavanaugh exposed himself to her in a drinking game during college. I've not read anything beyond that and my thoughts are - probably true, "so what".

The third woman, Swetnick, had a restraining order against her. I'm not convinced about her credibility at this time.

Let's do an investigation, a 1-2 week timeline, report back so all the facts, background, lies, interviews with HS/college friends on both sides etc. are all out there and then the committee can vote based on their conscience and best judgement.


Also, on the question about what does she have to gain if she was lying (and I'm not saying she is, I'm saying we need to investigate more to get the facts out there vs. this current emotional firestorm of he-said-she-said) and Kavanaugh is taken down? Her 10 minutes (or 2 months) of fame, lots of requests for interviews, a book deal, possible political future, a leader in the #metoo movement etc.

As far as I'm concerned, Tarcone has straight up stated that most of the people on this board would defend a rapist if it means supporting "our" "team". If I get a ban for hammering him on that repeatedly as long as this discussion continues on this thread, I'll fucking take it. He's on to other things and doesn't have time to deal with how fucking wrong he is or how god damn offensive that insinuation is, nor the fact that we had a fucking case of sexual misconduct allegations against someone on "our side" last year and every single person from "his team" that responded in the thread called for the man to resign. Nah he gets to just toss that comment out there like its nothing and move on. Fuck that.

tarcone's comments about women who are abused not being believable if they don't go straight to the police, or continually referring to "one woman says something" and ignoring the fact that it's many as though its a god damn game and that there aren't greater pieces of equality here aren't even worth addressing. After faced with a post with about 10 articles and studies talking about why women don't come forward very frequently when assaulted, he just ignores that, no response at all, makes it not worth the argument at all.

But taking this discussion away from the politicians to our level and implying that I, or anyone else on this board, would defend someone accused of rape because of party affiliation - I'm not letting that go, and aggressively attacking the fuck out of that - that's worth a ban. You don't get to flippantly say that and fucking ignore it. Bullshit. If you ever see that on this board, you fucking go after it, because its despicable. And I assure you I'll be first in line to lay into anyone on "my side" if they ever did what we're seeing right now. Or what we saw with the Roy Moore election. Or with Donald Trump's comments on tape about women.

You do NOT get to play the "both sides" argument here.

Caught part of his testimony on the radio on the ride home.

"Devil's triangle" is a drinking game similar to Quarters. Riiiiiiiiggghhhhht.

Actually yes I can. It seems to be that people on both sides (well tarcone and people that disagree with him anyways) are pretty getting heated and that's when bannings tend to happen. I personally don't want to see anyone get banned. If you think getting banned will somehow stick it to tarcone and is worth it then that's your pejorative. Personally all I think it does is silence your voice on this board.

Depends entirely on the character of your father and his reputation at the time - mine had PTSD and was quite violent, so I would take any accusations credibly and decide on basis of them.

With Kavanaugh he was a self-confessed heavy drinker and refused to rule out that he might not be able to remember some nights because of that. He also was in a fraternity with a reputation for treating women badly and several of his classmates have called him on his indication he was practically a choir boy in his Fox interview ... so yeah colour me cynical.

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who caught that.

Regardless of the alleged assault. I think that Kavanaugh did more than enough to prove that he holds too much of a partisan viewpoint and I think he should recuse himself from the nomination.

The choir boy thing was completely blown away by his yearbook and comments by his former roommate.

Multiple times Kavanaugh has also been caught in up in outright lies or misleading statements that are basically lies during the confirmation process. He lied about it being legal to drink when he was a senior in high school. He's also conveniently using the same phrases that Trump and republicans are using to frame the sexual assault allegations, which shows this is very likely a defense coordinated with those that are supposed to be investigating the matter. It's apparent he's willing to say whatever he feels will get him to a vote.

If we weren't facing the midterms right now there's absolutely no way he gets confirmed. Zero chance. As mentioned earlier, there's no shortage of conservative judges like Kavanaugh out there, but republicans aren't comfortable risking a supreme court pick on the 30% or so chance they lose senate in November.

None of this makes Kavanaugh a rapist, but he does have clear credibility issues and no one with his approval rating has actually made it through the confirmation process. That should be a red flag to republicans pushing this as the credibility of the Supreme Court is potentially at risk. At the very least there should be a thorough investigation into all allegations and Judge needs to testify under oath.

For anyone suggesting this is strictly about politics, it's probably better in the long run for Democrats if Kavanaugh gets confirmed. This seat hanging in the balance would likely drive more republicans to the polls to vote party in order to keep this SCOTUS seat. If Kavanaugh is confirmed you likely see even more of a bump in turnout for Dems than we'd already see and it's likely to drive more women to the left for at least this election cycle.

Agree. The whole line about the Clintons being involved with this somehow should be enough to see how partisan he is. He should be disqualified on that stupid line alone.

On the other hand that was obviously enough for tarcone to be convinced as it is certainly the Clintons that are behind most of politics' and the world's evil.

I would also like to back Radii's strenuous objection to tarcone's characterization of this as a "sides" thing. That's just more partisan BS designed to make the GOP feel good about supporting their idiot in chief.

That "you" wasn't aimed at you, but rather at tarcone for playing the both sides argument. Apologies, that was poorly written.

I very much appreciate the effort to step in and to suggest that cooler heads prevail. I won't visit the board again tonight. Honestly, I just hurt. Seeing the hatred and oppression and racism and sexism and lack of care for those that suffer, and the incredible voice that's been given to actual nazis in this country, its worn me down. And I'm not accusing tarcone of all of that, mind you. I'm just fed up, and defeated. And it hurts to see someone I've known in some small way for 15 years suggest that I or any of my other friends here that I've known for 15 years, would defend rape for political benefit. Its just all hopeless. We've lost all sense of decency as human beings.

amen brother

I did think the "you" was directed at me, mainly because you quoted my post. But I think we all need to rest sometimes and recharge our batteries. Personally I'm going to watch some football and hope the game is good tonight.

Every single explanation for the yearbook entries was sketchy and counter-intuitive for a (allegedly heavily drinking) high-school boy of that era.

"Devils' Triangle" is a drinking game.
"have you boofed yet" means 'have you farted yet'.
"Renate Alumnus" is about a good friend we all went on platonic dates with
"Beach Week Ralph Club" was a reference to how spicy food can upset my notoriously sensitive stomach.
"FFFFFFourth of July" was a reference to a friend's verbal tic.
I was treasurer of the 100 keg club, but always drank responsibly and have never blacked out.

The FFFFourth thing does seem like a stretch that could mean anything, but every other explanation was so counter to the obvious implications, and he made them so shakily, that they certainly didn't help MY estimations of the dude, or his dedication to truthiness.

The worst part is if he doesn’t get nominated I don’t think there will be a shift to a more neutral candidate but instead trying to force a more partisan one to try to stick it to those on the other aisle.

Even if you put the *multiple* accusations of assault (not just "single" as some clown here keeps trotting out), Kavanaugh shouldn't be confirmed because he's a fucking liar, and a terrible one at that. Add in the times he perjured himself in the initial part of the hearing, I find defending this guy a very strange hill to die on.

There are a ton of things that have disgusted me about all that went on today, but I do have to admit that it's not the first time that I've heard the word "boof" in reference to a fart.

Seems like all this would be fairly easy to run by anyone that also went to that high school that year.

And to no one's surprise Trump's response to the hearing:


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump



Judge Kavanaugh showed America exactly why I nominated him. His testimony was powerful, honest, and riveting. Democrats’ search and destroy strategy is disgraceful and this process has been a total sham and effort to delay, obstruct, and resist. The Senate must vote!

I'm still just in this line of thinking with the dumb calender. You're born into a family of a lawyer. Who keeps a calender as if it's something that will be useful in your life unless, you know, you need it to corroborate 36 years later.

I have newspaper clippings from my high school days but damn not a handwritten in calender to show I went to the beach.

I don't know, having this calender seems like an lawyer thing to do just in case I ever needed to come back to use it for "proof" when I did something bad.

Does BK have every single calender from his life?

Or they will push it through.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/27/polit...urt/index.html

Delete your account.

In the summer of 1982 I would be between 7th and 8th grade. In 7th grade I learned what "bufu" meant. Butt Fuck. "Boof" was shorthand (kinda?) for "bufu."

Granted I grew up way out West so maybe preppy school Bethesda was different.

But I think "have you butt fucked yet" is plausible.

Yawn ...

In that particular case, I didn't find the word as questionable as the usage, which ostensibly translated to "have you farted yet?". I can certainly invent a hypothetical situation where two 18yr-old boys would write that in each other's yearbooks, but from a purely surface judgment it seems much more likely to refer to some sort of sexual experience.

On it's own it pretty unremarkable and easy to explain away, but every explanation of the yearbook stuff seemed similarly questionable, yet also not at all worth lying about, which only made it more head-tilting.

I agree that his opening statement was quite unhinged and it disqualifies him from holding an SC post. That nutty Clinton conspiracy shit shows he's way to biased to be even a Federal judge.

My $0.02: I think he did what she said. I think he probably got even more drunk that day/night and blacked out, so he doesn't remember it. I'm convinced he had a drinking problem back then (including college) and might even to this day. His inability to come clean with himself and the nation also disqualifies him from the SC.

I'm also 100% sure that the Dems are taking advantage of the situation for revenge on what Bitch McConnell did to Obama.

I just wished that after this episode, regardless of which way it goes, some sanity returns to Congress and they stop acting like the spoiled little children that they are. You can laugh at me for that... :D