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panerd 01-21-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman (Post 2412507)
I think the opposite will happen. in 92 the incumbent was hurt by a 3rd party, Perot. in 2012 i can see the republican vote being split also by a 3rd party candidate, tea partyer. just a 2-3% split i think can put obama over.


And obviously 2012 is a ways off but I think if the Republicans go back to business as usual a Tea Party candidate... Rubio, Palin (yuck), Gary Johnson, Ron Paul could get as much as 10-15% of the vote. It is a nice thing to hold the GOP somewhat in check before they sign off on other massive spending bill.

JPhillips 01-25-2011 08:35 PM

Big news on replacing No Child Left Behind.

ISiddiqui 01-25-2011 08:38 PM

Obama's doing pretty good in this SotU.

sterlingice 01-25-2011 08:39 PM

I don't think anyone's ever accused him of being a crappy speaker

SI

ISiddiqui 01-25-2011 08:45 PM

He hasn't been doing so well for a few months until lately. Sounding more boring than inspiring.

Mizzou B-ball fan 01-25-2011 08:47 PM

Speech is pretty blah overall, but I do like having the two parties mixed together in the audience. Always thought the old arrangement was pretty ridiculous.

JPhillips 01-25-2011 08:56 PM

Earmarks!

sterlingice 01-25-2011 08:57 PM

*sigh* Earmarks are such a lame boogeyman

SI

Swaggs 01-25-2011 08:57 PM

Half of them probably don't know when to clap anymore.

jeff061 01-25-2011 08:59 PM

I imagine weeks of planning have gone into the politics of when to clap and when to not.

JPhillips 01-25-2011 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2415095)
*sigh* Earmarks are such a lame boogeyman

SI


Very disappointing to see him give in to the easy politics there.

Suburban Rhythm 01-25-2011 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 2415096)
Half of them probably don't know when to clap anymore.


One of the "analysts " mentioned this as well, that people were confused as far as when to clap.
I didn't realize there was rules.

Galaxy 01-25-2011 09:38 PM

I think they have an applause sign in each section that goes on and off for when to clap and not to clap. :)

Chief Rum 01-25-2011 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2415133)
I think they have an applause sign in each section that goes on and off for when to clap and not to clap. :)


Wouldn't it be great if the Applause sign was set with a background color to match whoever is supposed to clap and the strength of the color let's everyone know how hard to clap? Like a deep blue gets Dems clapping, a deep red for the Pubs, and then a pinkish mix for everyone?

JPhillips 01-26-2011 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2415138)
Wouldn't it be great if the Applause sign was set with a background color to match whoever is supposed to clap and the strength of the color let's everyone know how hard to clap? Like a deep blue gets Dems clapping, a deep red for the Pubs, and then a pinkish mix for everyone?


Preschool fail.

Red and blue make...

lungs 01-26-2011 06:49 AM

Anybody catch Michelle Bachmann's Tea Party response?

Young Drachma 01-26-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 2415214)
Anybody catch Michelle Bachmann's Tea Party response?


Fox News has a video link.

DanGarion 01-26-2011 10:56 AM

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Anyone know who this woman is shaking Obama's hand?

panerd 01-26-2011 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion (Post 2415313)
Anyone know who this woman is shaking Obama's hand?


Looks like Penny Flame.


Logan 01-26-2011 11:08 AM

Looks like Penny's nipples.

JediKooter 01-26-2011 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion (Post 2415313)
Anyone know who this woman is shaking Obama's hand?


She kind of has that wild eyed "I'm a clueless moron" like Michelle Bachman. But I doubt Bachman would know how to shake hands.

Galaxy 01-26-2011 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter (Post 2415321)
She kind of has that wild eyed "I'm a clueless moron" like Michelle Bachman. But I doubt Bachman would know how to shake hands.


She doesn't know her history, so I think you might be right.

DanGarion 01-26-2011 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter (Post 2415321)
She kind of has that wild eyed "I'm a clueless moron" like Michelle Bachman. But I doubt Bachman would know how to shake hands.


Not that I really care but you spelled her name wrong...

JediKooter 01-26-2011 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 2415439)
She doesn't know her history, so I think you might be right.


I think that's because she went to Glenn Beck U. :)


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Originally Posted by DanGarion
Not that I really care but you spelled her name wrong...


You are correct. I don't really make much of an effort to get her name spelled correctly. She doesn't even come close to deserving that kind of respect.

ISiddiqui 01-26-2011 05:49 PM

But it is kinda funny when you are pointing her out as some "clueless moron" to misspell her name :D.

JediKooter 01-26-2011 05:53 PM

I see your point, but, it's more about a complete lack of respect for her than trying to be correct. If that makes sense. :)

DanGarion 01-27-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter (Post 2415514)
I see your point, but, it's more about a complete lack of respect for her than trying to be correct. If that makes sense. :)


Oh and this is the person you are talking about, it's not the person I asked about.

JediKooter 01-27-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion (Post 2415879)
Oh and this is the person you are talking about, it's not the person I asked about.


I'm not sure who the person is you were asking about. I was just saying she had that crazy eyed look like Mrs. Loony Toons has. :)

Edward64 01-30-2011 05:49 AM

I get that the US has to tread cautiously since Egypt is a relatively peaceful and pro-western, strategically aligned semi-partner, and we don't know who/what would be replacing Mubarak but we seem to be falling short of our democratic ideals -- reminds me of the Latin and South America dictators that we had to do business. The devil you know ...

Haven't seen anything from Hillary yet.

U.S. to Egypt: Don't 'stand pat' need 'real reform' - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com
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After speaking to Mubarak by telephone late Friday, Obama delivered a four minute statement calling on the Egyptian leader to take steps to democratize his government and refrain from using violence against his people.

As events unfolded Saturday, Obama and his advisers kept a low profile.

Edward64 01-30-2011 05:56 AM

Spoke too soon.

FoxNews.com - Clinton Heads to Haiti to Mediate Political Crisis
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WASHINGTON -- Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is flying to Haiti to mediate in a political crisis there while other administration officials are keeping watch on violent protests halfway across the world in Egypt.

Clinton will meet Sunday with President Rene Preval and the three candidates vying to succeed him during her visit. She will also see a treatment center for the cholera epidemic that has killed almost 4,000 people.

Ever wonder why we just don't "fix the situation" here? I think this, unlike other situations, is a function of money and troops. The crises is somali-like -why don't we send US troops (they'll be welcomed) leading a bunch of UN troops for the visual effect, collect money from Western powers and really start to coordinate the operations here.

I don't think anyone will really think we are trying to take over Haiti and protest.

M GO BLUE!!! 01-30-2011 06:02 AM




JPhillips 01-30-2011 12:05 PM

When McCain's right, he deserves credit:

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"Every time we've got on the right side of history," he said, "it's usually been okay."

Young Drachma 01-30-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2416994)
Spoke too soon.

FoxNews.com - Clinton Heads to Haiti to Mediate Political Crisis


Ever wonder why we just don't "fix the situation" here? I think this, unlike other situations, is a function of money and troops. The crises is somali-like -why don't we send US troops (they'll be welcomed) leading a bunch of UN troops for the visual effect, collect money from Western powers and really start to coordinate the operations here.

I don't think anyone will really think we are trying to take over Haiti and protest.


Well we occupied Haiti during the early part of the 20th century, so there's a precedent. It'd be hard to spin globally in any real way, even if there's a logical reason for doing it and I doubt Haiti's powerbrokers would ever accept any kind of third-party intervention instead arguing for a "give us your money and we'll deal with it" thing.

But no matter what, that place isn't going to get any better anytime soon and our policy towards them has never been as good as it ought to be given the fact that it just wouldn't cost very much to help them develop the infrastructure to be at least somewhat sufficient enough for the large Haitian diaspora to eventually come back and lead the country out of the doldrums of the past er...200 years or pretty much since they paid France reparations. I think they owe a debt of some kind here, but that'll never happen.

Not that there haven't been lots of mistakes since then by one regime or another.

JediKooter 02-03-2011 11:20 AM

I guess senators Lieberman and Collins liked how it worked so well in Egypt, they think it's a good idea for America to have it:

Internet 'kill switch' bill will return | Privacy Inc. - CNET News

molson 02-03-2011 02:17 PM

Obama sure has been religiousy lately. Pretty much a full-fledged Christian sermon this morning. I don't think he's going to convince anyone who thinks he's Muslim, or Satan, to vote for him. But I'm surprised he doesn't get more praise from the religious portion of the right, and criticisms from the part of the left that had a problem with the last president being "guided by faith".

DaddyTorgo 02-03-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2419161)
Obama sure has been religiousy lately. Pretty much a full-fledged Christian sermon this morning. I don't think he's going to convince anyone who thinks he's Muslim, or Satan, to vote for him. But I'm surprised he doesn't get more praise from the religious portion of the right, and criticisms from the part of the left that had a problem with the last president being "guided by faith".



I didn't hear the thing this morning, but my guess is that it's because of where they were guided.

As an example:
Guided to help other countries=good
Guided to invade other countries=bad

It's less about the faith itself and more about the end goal.

JonInMiddleGA 02-03-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter (Post 2419092)
I guess senators Lieberman and Collins liked how it worked so well in Egypt, they think it's a good idea for America to have it:


Any country whose government doesn't either have one or isn't working on one has an extremely short-sighted government barely worth the name. Well, either that or the internet simply isn't remotely a factor in their country (I'm sure there are still a few of those out there).

The tricky part is making sure the "switch" remains in the hands of the right people.

JPhillips 02-03-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter (Post 2419092)
I guess senators Lieberman and Collins liked how it worked so well in Egypt, they think it's a good idea for America to have it:

Internet 'kill switch' bill will return | Privacy Inc. - CNET News


I really don't like the specifics of the bill, especially the no judicial review bit, but the basic idea that we need a legal avenue for defense of act of war level cyberattacks on critical industries seems a no-brainer to me.

JediKooter 02-03-2011 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2419175)
I really don't like the specifics of the bill, especially the no judicial review bit, but the basic idea that we need a legal avenue for defense of act of war level cyberattacks on critical industries seems a no-brainer to me.


Totally understand that. Unfortunately, the exercise of that power seems to be too much for people in command/control to resist and will use it beyond what it was intended. I'd rather have it how it currently is than anything that is proposed in the bill.

JPhillips 02-03-2011 04:08 PM

That's where judicial review comes in. Status quo is fine as long as nothing happens, but there is a major vulnerability to a cyberattack on a critical industry. Right now each individual company would be responsible for defense and a coordinated defense couldn't happen at a reasonable speed.

Marc Vaughan 02-03-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2419175)
I really don't like the specifics of the bill, especially the no judicial review bit, but the basic idea that we need a legal avenue for defense of act of war level cyberattacks on critical industries seems a no-brainer to me.


How exactly would this bill fully restrict access in the case of such a critical 'cyber attack' though? - surely if its attacking a specific installation then removing that installation from the grid should be possible (indeed I'd query why it should be connected online at all if its that critical tbh).

If its taking down ISP's to control the internet then that will prevent access to main websites and connections - ie. prevent people surfing the web, but if its to protect hacking style access to specific computers unless there is no routing to that computer available (ie. its disconnected) this won't prevent 'cyber attacks' totally as you could still potentially connect to it .... unless of course this bill involves taking out the entire telephonic/satellite structure of the US in one go.

(and if it does then the biggest concern for me would be the chance some hacker finds a way to simply start this process to disable the net ....)

panerd 02-03-2011 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2419211)
That's where judicial review comes in. Status quo is fine as long as nothing happens, but there is a major vulnerability to a cyberattack on a critical industry. Right now each individual company would be responsible for defense and a coordinated defense couldn't happen at a reasonable speed.


Isn't that the gist of the problem with this bill and other bills like the Patriot Act that are supposed to keep us "safe"? If there was a cyber-attack (and personally I don't think that is the real intent of the bill but I will go with it here) how hard would it be for Obama (or a future President) to get a judge to sign off on the shutdown? IMO, all this shit is trying to do is circumvent the system of checks and balances we already have in place. Sorry but I don't want one of Jon's guys or one of the guys Jon hates having that much authority.

Call me a cynic but if this passes I definitely can see a place down the road where the internet is being shut down for our own good. And just like the TSA, the Patriot Act, the endless Middle East wars, the war on drugs, the war on poverty... people will defend it saying they don't mind a partial internet shutdown if it is fighting fill in the blank (terror, child porn, extremism, pirating, online gambling, the Chinese...) just don't take away facebook and online shopping!!!

duckman 02-03-2011 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 2419264)
Call me a cynic but if this passes I definitely can see a place down the road where the internet is being shut down for our own good. And just like the TSA, the Patriot Act, the endless Middle East wars, the war on drugs, the war on poverty... people will defend it saying they don't mind a partial internet shutdown if it is fighting fill in the blank (terror, child porn, extremism, pirating, online gambling, the Chinese...) just don't take away facebook and online shopping!!!

:+1:

JPhillips 02-03-2011 07:08 PM

The whole turn off the internet is being overplayed IMO. Imagine a coordinated attack on the power grid. Right now there is no legal authority for the government to coordinate a defense. Each power company would decide for themselves how to best handle the attack. That's clearly a terrible way to defend an act of war.

Like I said initially, the details on this specific bill are bad, but the need for a cyberdefense bill is long overdue.

JonInMiddleGA 02-03-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 2419264)
how hard would it be for Obama (or a future President) to get a judge to sign off on the shutdown?


So you trust a generic judge more than you trust a generic President? Not sure what that says about the role of chief executive.

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Call me a cynic but if this passes I definitely can see a place down the road where the internet is being shut down for our own good.

I wouldn't disagree about the existence of that possibility. Pretty sure I'm not nearly as bothered by it as you are though ;)

Logan 02-03-2011 07:55 PM

I'm fine with it as long as people don't lose posts.

sterlingice 02-03-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 2419264)
Isn't that the gist of the problem with this bill and other bills like the Patriot Act that are supposed to keep us "safe"? If there was a cyber-attack (and personally I don't think that is the real intent of the bill but I will go with it here) how hard would it be for Obama (or a future President) to get a judge to sign off on the shutdown? IMO, all this shit is trying to do is circumvent the system of checks and balances we already have in place. Sorry but I don't want one of Jon's guys or one of the guys Jon hates having that much authority.

Call me a cynic but if this passes I definitely can see a place down the road where the internet is being shut down for our own good. And just like the TSA, the Patriot Act, the endless Middle East wars, the war on drugs, the war on poverty... people will defend it saying they don't mind a partial internet shutdown if it is fighting fill in the blank (terror, child porn, extremism, pirating, online gambling, the Chinese...) just don't take away facebook and online shopping!!!


Well, much as I hate to do it, I'm going to have to agree with you on this one

SI

albionmoonlight 02-04-2011 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2419288)
So you trust a generic judge more than you trust a generic President? Not sure what that says about the role of chief executive.


The key is that I trust neither. Which is why I want them checking and balancing each other.

Edward64 02-05-2011 06:56 AM

Obama big donor appointee, Ambassador to Luxembourg ...

The Associated Press: Big Obama donor quits envoy job amid criticism
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As America's ambassador to Luxembourg, the wealthy Seattle-based businesswoman was a disaster.

According to an internal State Department report released Thursday, less than a week after she quit, Stroum's management of the U.S. Embassy in the tiny country was abysmal. The report says her tenure of about one year was fraught with personality conflicts, verbal abuse and questionable expenditures on travel, wine and liquor.
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The situation was so bad that the inspector general recommended that the State Department dispatch medical personnel to Luxembourg to test the stress levels of embassy employees. It said at least four staffers quit or sought transfers to Iraq and Afghanistan during her tenure, unusual steps for diplomats assigned to a modern, Western European capital.

She raised $500K for Obama, got a plum assignment and screwed it up. I bet her side of the story will be interesting.

Edward64 02-05-2011 08:24 AM

Health care law constitutionality questioned this past week. MSNBC had a nice writeup on the for/against.

Is the health care law constitutional? - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court likely won't take up a case challenging the constitutionality of the health care bill until next year, but legal experts are already beginning to ponder the key questions that will be addressed by the legions of lawyers and clerks as well as the justices who will ultimately decide whether or not the law stands.

The most central of these inquiries is whether the “individual mandate” — the federal requirement that most Americans buy health insurance or pay a penalty — is constitutional.

At a hearing Wednesday, a panel of law professors and attorneys discussed those constitutional issues before the Senate Judiciary Committee. The six who testified have attended and taught at some of the nation’s preeminent law schools and have argued a total of more than 50 cases before the Supreme Court.

..Here’s what some lawyers, judges and lawmakers on both sides of the issue have said this week about some of the basic questions surrounding the constitutionality of the law:

I'm not a legal person, there seems to be good arguments for either side. I guess this is why the Supremes get paid the big bucks. I'm rooting for constitutionality.


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