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Oilers9911 02-28-2010 09:20 AM

I'm on XBox Live if anyone wants a morning game of Curling 2010. I'm ScottCanada1970 on there.

RainMaker 02-28-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2232079)
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that the U.S. would dominate because it's the U.S.

And if that's what you mean, even though world-class sides like Brazil, Spain, Argentina, Italy, and the Netherlands - countries that have long-standing soccer histories - fail to absolutely dominate almost every international competition, the U.S. would be able to do it because it's the U.S.

Again, please correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not just saying we'd be as good as Brazil or Spain, etc.... you're saying that we'd be far better than them.

That sounds reasonable?

It's not a "we're better than them" thing. It's just a numbers game. We have massive population advantages over almost all countries. We have financial resources that they can't come close to. A strong passion for sport. And demographics that are highly advantageous for producing athletes.

The U.S. is currently respectable on an international scale while having very few of its top athletes participate in the sport, receive elite training, and/or play against top competition growing up.

RainMaker 02-28-2010 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2232192)
Indeed. The first thing that came to mind when Pumpy originally questioned the statement was... "like baseball"? You'd think that the US would do far better at those World Baseball Classics, even though American football has surplanted the sport as #1 simply because of the "resource advantages".

Baseball isn't our most popular sport and is not close to getting the top athletes in the country. It's everything to many of the Caribbean nations due to the economic conditions of the country as well as the rules of Major League Baseball.

I'd also argue that baseball is a much different game. I think upsets in a tournament setting. Soccer is much more of a team game and one or two players can't win a tournament on their own. I'd compare it to football in that respect.

Dr. Sak 02-28-2010 11:30 AM

Can't wait for the gold medal game today. Here are my 3 wishes for the game:

1) I hope the game either ends in regulation or OT, PLEASE NO SHOOTOUT!

2) I hope the game is injury free.

3) Finally I hope we get the same ending as last Sunday!

Go USA!

Oilers9911 02-28-2010 11:49 AM

Agree on #1 and #2, #3....not so much. :)

Go Canada!

jbergey22 02-28-2010 11:58 AM

Sportsbooks still arent giving the USA much love

Canada is -1(-110) t/5.5

They must be expecting Canada to win by 2 or more or that line is just strange.

Why would you set a line like that when the odds are so good it will push and they will have to return all of the money?

Honolulu_Blue 02-28-2010 12:04 PM

I think Canada is still the favorite here, despite what happened on Sunday. I don't think they're quite the favorite they were a week ago, but are still the better team overall. That said, the US team has played great all tournament.

I'm really hoping this will be a great game. I am pulling for the US, but if Canada wins I will be fine with that and happy for Yzerman and Babcock. When it comes to hockey, my loyalties run local first and national second.

Big Fo 02-28-2010 12:10 PM

Ha, I never knew the cross-country skiers made pit stops to get new skis.

Pumpy Tudors 02-28-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2233110)
It's not a "we're better than them" thing. It's just a numbers game. We have massive population advantages over almost all countries. We have financial resources that they can't come close to. A strong passion for sport. And demographics that are highly advantageous for producing athletes.

The U.S. is currently respectable on an international scale while having very few of its top athletes participate in the sport, receive elite training, and/or play against top competition growing up.

I guess I'm just not going to get it. I am totally on board with the idea of the US becoming one of the powers. I am totally on board with the idea of the US improving because we'd have a lot of great athletes playing the game. At the end of the day, though, suggesting that the US would absolutely be the best and far better than everyone else in the world comes across as insulting to all the current soccer powers. I know you don't mean it that way, and you've clearly put some thought into what you're saying, but I just can't envision that the ceiling for the US is that much higher than it is for all these countries out there that basically breed soccer players.

Perhaps I'm just stubborn, but I can tell that I just won't get it.

DeToxRox 02-28-2010 12:11 PM

Canada 4
USA 1

Miller has to play better then he did last week and that'll be hard to do. USA has to keep pressure on the Canadians D while minimizing turnovers. That is going to be an issue.

Pumpy Tudors 02-28-2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2233156)
Canada 4
USA 1

Miller has to play better then he did last week and that'll be hard to do. USA has to keep pressure on the Canadians D while minimizing turnovers. That is going to be an issue.

OH MY GOD HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT
YOU MUST HATE AMERICA

DeToxRox 02-28-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2233155)
I guess I'm just not going to get it. I am totally on board with the idea of the US becoming one of the powers. I am totally on board with the idea of the US improving because we'd have a lot of great athletes playing the game. At the end of the day, though, suggesting that the US would absolutely be the best and far better than everyone else in the world comes across as insulting to all the current soccer powers. I know you don't mean it that way, and you've clearly put some thought into what you're saying, but I just can't envision that the ceiling for the US is that much higher than it is for all these countries out there that basically breed soccer players.

Perhaps I'm just stubborn, but I can tell that I just won't get it.


No one gives a shit about soccer here on a mainstream level. All the best US players go play overseas for a reason because it's where they make all the money.

Who the fuck wants to play soccer in America and make 20 grand in a year?

DeToxRox 02-28-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2233157)
OH MY GOD HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT
YOU MUST HATE AMERICA


I'm more of a Team Mexico kinda guy:


Logan 02-28-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2233154)
Ha, I never knew the cross-country skiers made pit stops to get new skis.


This event is fascinating to me for some reason. Can someone who knows better explain the strategy of one country sending a guy up ahead to set a pace and tire out others? Why wouldn't you just not care and hang back?

whomario 02-28-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan (Post 2233176)
This event is fascinating to me for some reason. Can someone who knows better explain the strategy of one country sending a guy up ahead to set a pace and tire out others? Why wouldn't you just not care and hang back?


because at some point you wonīt catch him anymore or another guy from that country could attack and the guy up fron then pull him for a few Ks.
Kind of like in bike races (Tour de France et all)

I liked it better when everyone went 50K alone against the clock anyway ...

Big Fo 02-28-2010 01:37 PM

Amazing burst by Northug at the end to win it after 50km of skiing.

Fidatelo 02-28-2010 01:44 PM

30 minutes until the biggest hockey game I can remember! Go Canada Go!

Pumpy Tudors 02-28-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 2233200)
30 minutes until the biggest hockey game I can remember! Go Canada Go!

You don't remember Game 7 of the 2003 Stanley Cup Finals?

Lathum 02-28-2010 02:03 PM

This is awesome. We are at a sports bar in Seattle and it is packed. 50/50 USA and Canada fans. It's getting rowdy already.

EagleFan 02-28-2010 02:17 PM

USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

whomario 02-28-2010 02:18 PM

Why in the world donīt they have neutral referees ? Iīm dumbstruck right now, that makes FIFA Boss Blatter look smart :eek:
You donīt have neutral referees in a olympic final ???

EagleFan 02-28-2010 02:18 PM

dola: if this game is anything like their last, how boring is the next NHL game going to seem? :)

bbor 02-28-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2233220)
Why in the world donīt they have neutral referees ? Iīm dumbstruck right now, that makes FIFA Boss Blatter look smart :eek:
You donīt have neutral referees in a olympic final ???



Not many (if any) international refs can keep up with the pace of play.


Generally NHL players would rather have NHL refs rather than international ones regardless of nationality.

EagleFan 02-28-2010 02:29 PM

Fans taunting Miller now? Good olympic spirit douchebags...

EagleFan 02-28-2010 02:30 PM

dola: Even funnier as their taunting a guy that hasn't allowed a goal in a week.

bbor 02-28-2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2233225)
Fans taunting Miller now? Good olympic spirit douchebags...


I agree...American would never stoop so low :rolleyes:

EagleFan 02-28-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2233228)
I agree...American would never stoop so low :rolleyes:


Find me an example of olympic taunting in the US and then we'll speak. Until then take that crap elsewhere.

Pumpy Tudors 02-28-2010 02:33 PM

The USA looks pretty impressive with their speed and intensity, but they're not getting a lot of good shots on Luongo so far. Canada keeps blocking shots, and exactly how many USA shots have missed the net entirely? This isn't encouraging.

Karlifornia 02-28-2010 02:35 PM

Ooooh...that was close

Karlifornia 02-28-2010 02:36 PM

LOL...I try to pride myself on not sounding like a misogynist, but jesus christ it's almost hard to keep up with the speed and skill of the play after watching the slo-mo women's gold medal game.

bbor 02-28-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2233229)
Find me an example of olympic taunting in the US and then we'll speak. Until then take that crap elsewhere.


Do you want a specific,time,date,year and name also?

Karlifornia 02-28-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2233229)
Find me an example of olympic taunting in the US and then we'll speak. Until then take that crap elsewhere.


Now is not the time to be sensitive!

EagleFan 02-28-2010 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2233236)
Do you want a specific,time,date,year and name also?


If you find it, I'll be just as tough on that. It's the freaking olympics and that crap has no place there.

jbergey22 02-28-2010 02:39 PM

Miller is sharp this is good.

sovereignstar 02-28-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 2233234)
LOL...I try to pride myself on not sounding like a misogynist, but jesus christ it's almost hard to keep up with the speed and skill of the play after watching the slo-mo women's gold medal game.


I watch waaaay more college hockey than pro hockey and I can barely keep up with the professionals.

Pumpy Tudors 02-28-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 2233237)
Now is not the time to be sensitive!

:+1::withstupid::+1:

jbergey22 02-28-2010 02:40 PM

Too many mistakes come on USA

Eaglesfan27 02-28-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22 (Post 2233243)
Too many mistakes come on USA


You said it. Terrible mistake there.

EagleFan 02-28-2010 02:42 PM

Big moment here, see how they react to trailing in a game.

bbor 02-28-2010 02:42 PM

Man had Parise become a player or what.If i'm starting a team right now i may start with this guy,he does EVERTHING.

Too bad he's stuck in Jersey<------For Pumpy :D

jbergey22 02-28-2010 02:42 PM

Canada just hooked the left wing there. Perhaps the refs arent
going to call any penalties on Canada.

bbor 02-28-2010 02:43 PM

That was a pretty brutal slew foot.

Pumpy Tudors 02-28-2010 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2233247)
Man had Parise become a player or what.If i'm starting a team right now i may start with this guy,he does EVERTHING.

Too bad he's stuck in Jersey<------For Pumpy :D

If I weren't already married, I would marry Zach Parise. Can't wait for the playoffs. My man is going to do it all there.

Lathum 02-28-2010 02:43 PM

Shitty call there. Looked like they were tangled up

Karlifornia 02-28-2010 02:43 PM

Huge penalty kill here. Fall behind 2-0 and...well...what's wrong with silver, anyways?

EagleFan 02-28-2010 02:45 PM

Nice stop by Miller and a good kill there.

whomario 02-28-2010 02:46 PM

over /under on calls getting 5+ "shitty call" comments , 15 ? :)

jbergey22 02-28-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2233255)
over /under on calls getting 5+ "shitty call" comments , 15 ? :)


Ill take over in both

Pumpy Tudors 02-28-2010 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2233255)
over /under on calls getting 5+ "shitty call" comments , 15 ? :)

I'd take the over on pretty much any NHL playoff game, too... assuming there were more than 5 people watching NHL playoff games. :(

Ryan S 02-28-2010 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2233220)
Why in the world donīt they have neutral referees ? Iīm dumbstruck right now, that makes FIFA Boss Blatter look smart :eek:
You donīt have neutral referees in a olympic final ???


Both teams will be happier with NHL officials rather than officials from lesser leagues in Europe.

I am not sure why they did not go for 1 ref and one linesman from both the US and Canada like they did in the group game.


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