That's too many words. We will just keep saying "leftist" or "Marxist" not knowing what those words mean, but they sound scary.

Yup. But hey, rich people also get tax cuts so.....

Adjusting for inflation, we had less than 50 billionares then. Today we have about 750.

But Ryan significantly out performed, it was just too difficult to overcome the GOP advantage in OH.

Timing of seeing both the posts here and the tweet below to perfect not to post:

German Foreign Minister @ABaerbock - who used to be a trampolinist - tries out the trampoline herself during a visit to para-athletes at TSV Bayer Leverkusen 04 today pic.twitter.com/d4OmF2PaP7

— Mathieu von Rohr (@mathieuvonrohr) July 30, 2024

The right both upset and not knowing how to respond to weird is entertaining as he'll. Jesse Watters demanded video proof that JD Vance fucked a couch.

The key difference between deplorables and weird is the deplorables comment was attached to supporting Trump without context. So they wore it as a badge of honor. Weird is attached to actual policy thats unpopular and weird which then gets attached to the candidates and JD Vance is weird himself so he's not helping.

Man, In just stoked to hear you would never identify as a Marxist. There is hope for you yet.

Dutch, I'm not going to assume that you don't know what a Marxist is, but most of the Republicans that use that term wouldn't know who a Marxist is if Karl Marx bit them on the knee.

There was someone from the Heritage Foundation that that said they were not worried about Kamala Harris because they had already won. I'm getting a sinking fear this is what he meant:

ROLLING STONE: “At least 70 pro-Trump conspiracists are election officials in key battleground counties — and they are poised to make a giant mess on Election Day…”

The ones who put the country first last time have been replaced. https://t.co/R3ZSlsFqen pic.twitter.com/tM3nuF9F32

— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) July 30, 2024

To be fair, in a zombie apocalypse I'm not worrying about if the zombie trying to gnaw on me was Karl Marx or Richard Marks.

Paul Dans stepped down from The Heritage Foundation. I'm assuming this is at the request of Trump and is solely being done so Trump can look less crazy and push back on all of the "of course you know what P25 is" talk, as a tangible sign that he isn't for it. And then, if/when he wins, suddenly the P25 gears start rolling.

He still has several of the architects of the plan working for his campaign, and JD Vance wrote a forward for the book version.

The GOP is trying so hard to do the "we aren't weird, you guys are weird because you think a man can give birth" and it is failing miserably.

Whether it works or not is another matter, but as I've said a number of times in the past, people on this board tend to drastically underestimate how 'weird' much of the rhetoric of modern Democrats is to people who are not left-of-center, and even some amount who are.

Seems to be some Twitter smoke that Beshear is going to be the VP pick. Not sure how I feel about that, but I guess it usually doesn't affect things too much.

Like what?

Like a man kissing another man, a person with a penis identifying as a woman, not using outdated terms like retard and homo, generally considering the feelings of other human being in our actions, things like that.

A few examples:

- A third at most of Americans favor phasing out fossil fuels completely
- about 70% say athletes should compete in their birth gender, and slightly more say we've gone too far in accepting transgender people than that we've not gone far enough
- Almost half don't have a settled opinion on the Israel-Gaza issue; those that do lean a bit to the side of us favoring Israel too much, but that's still less than a quarter who say that, much less be in the 'stop the genocide' camp.
- The whole 'low unemployment means the economy is good, regardless of inflation' deal.
- Some minorities favor stronger immigration restrictions by strong margins.

Aggressively pursuing net zero (which is favored in general but not on a reasonable accelerated timeframe or with the types of policies that would be necessary), the trend towards things like uncritical, universal body positivity, the protests expressly in favor of Hamas with slogans like Death to Israel and River to the Sea as opposed to just 'maybe we should consider not funding this', and so on.

It's not about who is right on these issues mind you; I'm on record for example as someone in favor of getting to net zero as quickly as possible. But these are some of the kinds of issues where the typical moderate/independent tends to look at it and lump it in the weird/dangerous category.

The general political environment right now is not one of 'Trump is weird, Democrats are normal'. It's 'which one of these bizarre parties is the least bad', and for a non-trivial amount amount of independents, that's not Democrats.

None of those issues are supported by the majority of Democrats. We're drilling more oil than we ever have under Biden. Democrats have overwhelmingly supported Israel to the point you can count on one hand the number of elected leaders who have spoken out about the genocide. And Democrats have mostly sat out transgender issues as that's something Republicans fetishize over.

You're citing things that just aren't happening among elected Democrats.

If this is your list I'm perfectly fine with being labeled as weird by people that want Christian Nationalism, an authoritarian government, the elimination of equal rights, want to inspect child genitals, want to ban books, arrest librarians, eliminate no fault divorce, want to ban or limit contraceptives, want to ban IVF, and generally want to take us back to the 1950s.

These aren't two sides of the same coin or even in the same ballpark of weird.

For gawd sakes, the GOP literally calls all Dems pedophiles.

I get Fox News bashes their viewers over the head with it and they don't understand words like Marxist or Communist. But it's odd that people make the Democrats out to be leftist extremists. The party has been Center-Right for decades and would be considered an extremely far-right party in almost any other Western nation.

People who are center/ left of center don't look at these things as weird, they look at them as policies they may or may not agree with.

Weird is Trump talking about electrocuting sharks and dressing head to to in Trump gear while flying a flag on your pick up truck.

There is a huge difference. Hell, a lot of republicans think MAGA is weird, they just dislike the laft more.

This is misleading. 36% of people think that. That makes them a plurality, but everyone else either thinks we've gone far enough, not far enough, or don't care. I think the 36% are the weird ones there. Another way to put it is 64% of people are either directly in opposition to or don't care about Republican messaging on the issue.

They have announced Biden is going headline the open to the Democratic Convention, and the first night will be on his accomplishment in his term.

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Hope it starts before 8PM EST

Remember when Republicans lost their mind because they saw a video of AOC dancing? That's weird, in a different way than 'low unemployment is good regardless of inflation' is.

Just so I can remind Brian what weird looks like

MAGA Trumpers are #WeirdAF pic.twitter.com/iCMxxIwZ5a

— Amy Lynn���� (@AmyLynnStL) July 30, 2024

All of the sudden I feel like pancakes

"You'll never know want or loneliness again." Trump said. "The world was cruel to you, but you have Trump now." pic.twitter.com/voxGTxw9Dn

— Tim Pool (@Timcast) July 30, 2024

You are being too generous. The things Brian thinks are strange are actually political issues, at least. And he’s being pretty damn lazy, since the last three are things you could generically apply to the left and right. Trump is spending time talking about Hannibal Lector, raking forest floors to end forest fires, injecting bleach and sunlight to cure health issues, and sharks versus battery powered boats.

Lazy, unserious both sidesism. Not worth the effort really. These sets of issues look the same to him from up on that high horse.

The first rally for Harris and her VP pick is set for next Tuesday in Philly. So expect the announcement that day, but the leak will probably be Monday, if not sooner.

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Stop calling Republicans weird pic.twitter.com/QPjiswFtrC

— Alex Cole (@acnewsitics) July 30, 2024

In Philly? Makes Shapiro seem likely.

it's only fitting that a joke band end their career over a joke

Rabbit learns to talk just so it can scream "I NEED AN ADULT!"

A number of people are missing or ignoring the point.

- I didn't post things that I think are weird. I think I was explicit about that.


There really isn't a huge difference, and things like flying flag on your truck are not weird in a number of places in the country, and not things that just MAGA does.


- It's not about whether MAGA thinks the list is weird for the most part, MAGA is gonna MAGA. It's about what people who think both parties are off the deep end think.

- Again, the list I posted is a lot more bizarre and dangerous to some not-MAGA people than your list is, no matter how you frame it. This is really the main point: when you get to a place where you think 'what I believe is normal, and those who disagree are weird/bizarre/dangerous', it gets very hard to put yourself in the position of those who don't accept your core assumptions.

For example, some of the people I'm talking about it would not share your definition of what equal rights means, or what the practical possibilities of it are, or what the value of it is. They would be concerned about the authoritarianism on display on the left as well. They would point out that most the attacks on free speech aren't coming from banning b ooks/librarians, but from cancel culture/political correctness/whatever your favorite term is, deplatforming people who say the wrong thing or did so 20 years ago, wanting misinformation that sometimes is actually found to be accurate (oops) removed from social media, and so on.

There are fair-minded people who look at what you think and what MAGA thinks and like parts of each while hating others, and believe both sides are nuts. To win any kind of long-term cultural/societal improvement from our current situation, that is the gap that has to be crossed.

Shapiro has surged to over .60 on PredictIt.

The things you listed though are not things the Democrats support or are doing. You're just making up a hypothetical party that doesn't exist.

And this isn't about what's weird to MAGA or progressives. It's what is weird to the moderate suburban voter. The people who will ultimately decide the race. Spinning some economic numbers isn't as weird as being obsessed with your kids genitals.

99% of maga isnt arguing or posting about the politcal positions Brian posted as being weird. To them its the gays, blacks, trans, woke agenda etc that they fixate on. So yes what they focus on is much weirder than liberal political policies.

I don't even understand Brian's point, and I doubt he does either. Republicans have been shrieking absolutely vile shit across the aisle for 7 years running, but Democrats should probably change their fossil fuel policies?

Hey what's the point of having Jewish Space Lasers if we can't use them?

I think I've expressed it reasonably clearly at a minimum. I haven't said, and am not saying, that Democrats should necessarily change their policies. I'm in favor of all people advocating for what they genuinely believe, full stop.

I'm suggesting being aware of how distant some of them are from how the typical independent/moderate voter views the world, nevermind unreachable MAGA types. When one couches it in terms like 'shrieking absolutely vile shit', the perspective that ... wait a minute, some of what 'we' think is considered by others and not just the wingnuts to be absolutely vile shit. Rainmaker referenced obsession with your kids genitals, but who is really obsessed with that? From a certain point of view, that would be the people who think it's perfectly fine and even something to be encouraged for those under the age of consent to have medical procedures of a gender transition nature.

When that awareness is not present, it's all too easy to just vilify MAGA and say 'well of course Democrats are far more 'normal' - whatever that means - than they are'. It's not nearly that simple.

Is there a backstory to the bunny thing? I have no idea what that's about.

The people who want the state interjecting itself into the medical decisions of me and my family are the weird ones.

The people who want to monitor periods so they can try and detect pregnancy are the weird ones. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/women...ants-rcna71167

The ones who want genital inspections of any girl who seems to be a little too good at high school sports are the weird ones. https://kansasreflector.com/2023/04/...-simple-truth/

The people who want people to show their birth certificates before they go into a public bathroom are the weird ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public...6_Security_Act

Maybe I have the minority view. But I don't think so.

dola:

I get that I'm posting too much in this thread and unnecessarily raising the temperature.

I think that I am honestly just giddy that the official Dem messaging apparatus has managed to go, like, 2 weeks without shooting itself in the dick. I keep expecting to wake up one day and check the news and see that Chuck Schumer gave some "Please remember that we suck and you should actually vote for the Republicans" speech.

But I'll chill. Time to get back to reality and all that.

From the party of personal freedom and limited government intrusion into peoples' lives, too.

I love how the GOP has morphed into something that is largely unrecognizable to a GOPer from 15-20 years ago, but anyone who doesn't support the current iteration of the party is somehow a RINO. I mean, parties are allowed to evolve and all that, but be honest about it - the positions have changed. You've been overtaken by the types of weirdos who started the Tea Party crap and wholesale changed a lot of basic personal freedom, economic, and foreign policy positions and coupled that with doubling and tripling down on conservative social issues, and WE'VE (former GOPers) changed?

Because they are and you have been given numerous examples of why, yet as usual you see the world from a much higher intellectual plane than the rest of us so we will never understand.

Brian's take on the 'weird' discourse is awfully similar to super weird Matt Walsh's take. That's a logical fallacy of some sort but illustrative of something.

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I would love to hear what Brian's take on the best messaging and policy would be for those five bullet points that he listed.

The one about trans kids in sports is tough one. Do you ban trans from existing? Do you let MtF participate in male sports and FtM participate in female sports? Do you ban trans kids from sports altogether? Sounds like we need some laws and legal challenges to determine these things.

The other four, in my opinion, are not strange to discuss, take positions on, and potentially work on legislation on. If you want to prioritize jobs/profits/stocks (and I don't think those are bad things to prioritize) over the environment, that is a position. I don't think it is a cut and dry position. The same with the rest.

I want to know what he thinks the best messaging is for these things.

It’s culture war BS and it’s all they have because once they start discussing policies such as inspecting female high school athletes genitalia they are exposed for just how weird their actual policies are as opposed to someone wanting to live a weird lifestyle that doesn’t effect anyone but them.

There was a FtM wrestler that was forced to compete in women's wrestling in Texas a couple years. He dominated. There's some kind of weird misogyny at play in right wing circles where FtM is never considered.

It boggles me that your response to the weirdness of things like this:

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/ne...bound-and-tied

is "Some minorities favor stronger immigration restrictions by strong margins."

Actual quote on air from Jesse Watters, a Fox News host:


Can't wait to hear the "both sides" rebuttal to this/

Not to mention, no democrats are in favor of forcing anyone to DO those things -- it's more of a "live and let live" kind of thing. All the things Republicans are in favor of here involve government intervention. Like ksyrup was saying, so much for the party of personal freedom.

What is FtM?

I didn't know that, but that is where my thoughts went. It is a complex issue and it is hard for me to come to a conclusion that doesn't lead to someone losing some level of liberty. It either is unfair to allow trans kids to participate or unfair that some physically gifted trans kids are potentially going to dominate which lessens the experience of other kids.

I don't think Dems have done a great job of coming up with any kind of solution or compromise on this. I don't know if there is a good, fair one.

I think most Republicans default to saying that transgender folks should not be able to participate because it is a mental health issue (most mental health experts don't believe this to be the case, but they once did), it isn't fair (it also isn't fair that some kids have personal trainers, dietitians, go to camps, play year round, have better equipment, better coaching, have parents that are willing to drive them and pay money whenever, etc.), or "the Bible says..." or it is morally wrong or "not what God intended" (there are records of transgender folks in nearly every society regardless of culture, even dating back past 2000 years before Christianity existed - plus a lot of folks don't believe in God or don't believe in the same God), or "they can't procreate, so it is wrong" (neither can people above or below a certain age, people with fertility/health issues, etc.).

I truly do think it is a really tough issue and hard to determine what is "fair" with this.

And also, youth sports is not in my top 100 issues to be concerned about since there is inherent inequity with it. Check out high school football fields and coaching salaries in the state of Texas versus those in places like rural WV or Kentucky. In my area, high school sports are almost completely dominated by the kids whose parents had the resources to allow them to play year round sports and go to camps and have private lessons. It is just not something that impacts my life enough to make it a priority, but if we are going to try to make it fair without looking like we are not just picking on trans kids, that could be a slippery slope and traditionally one that conservatives generally don't like (see affirmative action and DEI initiatives).

Female to male

The first and probably last time I agree with Matt Walsh and it is telling that he is trying to convince the GOP how stupid they sound attacking cultural icons while having Hulk Hogan introduce Trump at the RNC.

Apparently, Kid Rock, Kevin Sorbo and Hulk Hogan aren’t getting it done so they may have to try to talk about policy. Bummer. pic.twitter.com/vFl2BURBCO

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 31, 2024

Interesting and makes sense

It is pretty amazing how the GOP has convinced huge swaths of people boys are playing in girls sports is some widespread problem while the infant mortality rate skyrockets but everything is fine.

Even if there was some group of hypothetical voters that are absolutely fine with the GoP slinging hate at full volume for 7 years, but will be offended by the Dems playing any kind of offense for 3 months (there isn't), those dozens of hypocrites surely shouldn't be who the Dems tailor their campaign towards.

My transgender daughter does have a weird lifestyle. I don't really understand it. It seems like it just makes her life harder, when her life was already unusually hard because of her autism. She was already socially isolated to a large degree, and being transgender cost her some of her few friends. Someone explained it to me as you're never going to understand why they want to be a female, but as long as you accept it and support them, then things are fine. She's happier as a girl. We accept and support her as best we can.

As for the former boys competing against girls, that doesn't seem fair to me. There's no great solution. But maybe, at the end of the day, sports aren't all that important. I feel like the "fairest" solution is to compete against boys, but I realize that's not a happy situation for the transgender girl who wants to be regarded like other females. It's tricky for sure.

These AP-NORC Favorable/Unfavorable polls are interesting...

Biden - 42/54
Kamala - 46/47
Trump - 41/57
Vance - 27/40

I struggle with the suggestion that savvy male athletes are going to transition to female in order to succeed in the highly lucrative and popular world of women's sports.

The trans athletes thing is a difficult and complex issue that always ignores the FtM. All trans issues ignore FtM. Bathrooms are the best one because these parents crying over a male being in their daighters restroom would absolutely not want someone with a full beard in that restroom, but thats what theyre asking for.

I don't pretend to have all the answers on sports stuff. IMO at the college, Olympic, and professional levels I get wanting to "get it right" Below that, however, I don't get the obsession. There aren't enough trans athletes and the high school and below level isn't serious enough for bans, legislation, and political interference. West Virginia has a case over middle school tack that's been ongoing. Middle school track in WV isn't that serious.

The counter I always see is someone asking what they're supposed to tell their kid if they don't make the team because of a trans athlete getting a spot. You tell them the same thing if anyone else had that spot. It's not difficult.

Just to clarify when I say weird I don’t mean I personally judge them as weird. I’m very much a live and let live.

Not weird at all to say.

Trump - “If you’re Jewish, if you vote for a Democrat, you’re a fool. An absolute fool.”

Don't worry. I wasn't offended.

My feeling for a long time has been if it makes you happy and doesn't hurt anyone else, have at it.

I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept. What is a rational mindset against this mindset?

It's been arguably the single biggest issue for Republican politicians over the last half decade. Laws have been passed in a number of states and it's a core position of the party. There are politicians and pundits that have made it their entire life's work.

To me, that's weird. I've never given much thought to my trips to a public restroom. Mostly just avoid eye contact, do my business, and get out as quick as I can. I'm not terribly concerned with the genitalia of the person taking a dump in the stall next to mine. I also don't obsess over other people's body choices or what medical decisions they make for their own children.

Ohio wanted to inspect the genitals of any child athlete accused of being trangender. It was removed from their bill after backlash. In Kansas the trangender sports ban leaves the door open to genital inspections.

This isn't just made up hysteria. It's things GOP states are trying and want to pass.

This is where I land. I don't think there's a good solution. But I think the tricky thing for Dems is they shoved the "just trust the science!" stuff down conservatives' throats for the Covid (and all anti-vaxx) responses, yet seem to ignore the obvious physiological differences between males and females. This isn't some sort of "anti-empowerment" take, it's just a scientific fact - males are physically the more dominant of the two sexes.

I feel like the liberal position on trans in sports is their version of the conservative position on religion in school. You force the 10 Commandments and Christmas trees on a school and suddenly you've invited Satanists and other pagan religions you'd never want to expose your kids to, to put up their own displays. Likewise, you blur the lines between the sexes for school sports, and suddenly a court rules there's no gender differences any more and you've obliterated the principal reason for separating boys and girls sports.

Don't really want to disrupt the ongoing discussion but ...

Trump currently being interviewed by Rachel Scott at the National Association of Black Journalists and let's just say is that this isn't an environment where his vague collection of buzzwords, instinctual disdain and non-answers swirled about in washing machine routine is going over well.

Trump: I did not know she was Black until a number of years ago, when she happened to turn Black, and now she wants to be known as Black. Is she Indian or is she Black? pic.twitter.com/DIVy0mQL3I

— Acyn (@Acyn) July 31, 2024

The funniest part is they are asking him tough questions and then when it gets to the Fox News lady, she's like "What makes you so great?".

He sounds like the racist grandma.
"Oh, did you see the colored person on TV? They still call them colored, right?"

Holy shit trump is bombing this so hard and giving the Harris campaign the best gift they could get.

Just saw a clip where moderator basically asks Trump why he is hostile and critical towards blacks and his response was to insult her and the question.

His zealots won’t admit it but this is Biden debate level dysfunction.

There is likely 100x less of a physiological disadvantage between the average woman basketball player and the average trans girl than there was between LeBron James and my cousin when they played in High School. :)

AHAHAHAHA

Trump just told a room of black journalists migrants are going to take their jobs. Apparently that was the straw and the Trump team called off the interview. Absolute implosion.

"The children! Won't some one think of the children!"



The fear they play on is that if their snowflake knows someone that is trans, then their snowflake will want to be trans. That the reason for the "don't say gay" bill as well. If no one says gay, then their children will never be gay. They consider it a contagious disease.
Of course the other factor that make it such a violently hot subject is that too many of those straight he-men see a trans-woman, it she makes his little pee-pee feel funny. That in his mind makes him gay, and big he-man can't be gay, so he must bash her to stop the gayness.

I wish to personally express my sincerest gratitude to whomever it is on the Trump campaign who convinced Trump it was a good idea to have him appear before the @NABJ. Whoever you are, you are a true patriot, and your country is in your debt.

— George Conway (@gtconway3d) July 31, 2024

I'm watching it now...this is amazing. Just a weird pathetic man.

💯 this while they send their kids off to get molested by the Catholic Church.

It was a weird decision by his team to do it, but it was also a very weird decision to invite him. The same people that brought him there wouldn't work out a way for the Vice President to do a video chat with the group since her schedule didn't allow her to go. There was a number of members of the board of the organization that stepped down over it, and really does seem like someone in the upper levels of that group was trying to help Trump out. Of course it backfired tremendously. It won't surprise me that we later learn there was some kind of inducement that the Trump people gave someone in the group for this opportunity, and that will make it all the more funny.

I was reading some of the Q&A and it's an unmitigated disaster. Compared himself to Lincoln, said Kamala turned black a few years ago, said the VP isn't important when asked if JD Vance would be ready on day one to potentially step in as President, said he would pardon J6 rioters, and doubled down on migrants stealing black jobs.

Trump, at the last minute refused to take the stage if he was live fact checked. That caused a delay getting it started which he then went out and blamed on NABJ audio issues. Then the Q&A was cut short, reportedly by his campaign
And of course after it was over he went on truth social and called the questions rude and nasty.

The number of people that are just totally befuddled by the idea that Kamala Harris can be black AND Indian is just amazing. Or at least it would be if it just wasn't just clearly racist.

i totally think they should just move on to the planned parenthood/abortion rights convention and strike while the iron is hot!

Trump is so out of his element any time he has to speak in a situation he can't control.

Of course Fox News is calling this a set up.

I'm old enough to remember when Trump was all about unity.

Harris has overtaken Trump on PredictIt. Exactly two weeks ago he was at 68%. First time Trump has trailed since June 7.

.@cnn .@msnbc .@nbc .@cbs .@abc .@maddow

Here is the story you need to run!

Trump just childishly tightened a black female journalist's water due to her hard questions!

Please don't let this not be covered! pic.twitter.com/pa37a5wQZX

— ����Repost/Like/Comment (@remy2cents) July 31, 2024

I understand the argument about competitiveness, but I guess I'm wondering how big of an issue this really is. It seems like a major political party is building their platform around something that is maybe like 20 high school students around the country. I'm not seeing some influx of transgender women dominating sports around the country.

And it's fair to wonder just how concerned they really are. These are people who have just bashed women's sports for decades and tried to defund. I'm supposed to believe they are suddenly concerned about a competitive advantage at some local high school volleyball game?

It just seems like an excuse to fetishize hate against people who are different and act out their own sexual and gender insecurities.

Good lord he is shook.

The Trump campaign is projecting this on the screen above the stage at his rally in Harrisburg PA: pic.twitter.com/ZsGHAZaruk

— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) July 31, 2024

Stuff like this is just stupid and reinforces the weirdness. Every single person in that arena is voting for him already.

I'm going to have to start wearing my "Make Racism Wrong Again" hat...again.

Trying to shake the weird label by shifting the campaign to discussing race science.

Uhhhhh...maybe they are just going to run on the race stuff.

Habba: Unlike you Kamala, I know who my roots are and where I come from pic.twitter.com/DMpdu2h861

— Acyn (@Acyn) July 31, 2024

Such an odd choice to have your personal lawyer (of several lost cases) giving a stump speech for you when you are running for the president of the United States. I wonder if his realtor and therapist declined.