I understand your concerns Raven, but I have (well had now) been in PM contact with her since the beginning of the game, so I know her a bit more than the rest of you, and she's given me no real reason to worry about her.

studies list intently :)

Just want to make sure I get a vote in, having dinner at a pub and I'm not sure when I'll be checking in.

Before I forget, a pathological need to exploit the weak doesn't necessarily equate to low social skills. I'd think it would have an equal chance of equating to high social skills, i.e. someone who enjoys manipulating the weak-minded.

I love this hahaha

Here we go again... Trying to create chaos.

Guys that man should be out of the colony

I would equate coward to being physically inept. But Jackal has hit the nail on the head from my perspective and GE was in my crosshairs yesterday until being asked to go after Zinto.

I told you Raven that unless specific evidence against her is found, I am unlikely to rule her guilty at a trial. I am glad you have spoken up against her, your vote however would be better spent on someone who is likely a better chance of actually going to trial. I will ask her right now to answer your concerns about the manifest.

Font,

Some of our fellow colonists have become concerned about you holding back on information you have learned about the manifest-can you go back and find Raven's posts about it today, and tell us everything the manifest can do, and what you found out as a result?

okay I'm gone to make dinner and such-be back in a couple hours.

Don't worry guys. Our terrible, awful, no good, dictator decided he won't decide someone is guilty if we vote for them.

How have I stuck out? I think you should have more logical arguments than he just stuck out. It is not exactly like we are doing a true Day 1 here.

Good point about being physically inept, that could also play into that kind of pathology.

I tend to agree with you but unfortunately I may have to put a self-survival vote on you.

what nail did he hit on the head? He has like no argument here other than just a 'hunch'.

Your posturing about wanting to lead the engineering team but not actually being an engineer was weird, is all. Then I believe you were also making posts about not wanting to reveal things about yourself when others were being more forthright early on? Granted at that point we weren't sure what was in our best interest to reveal.

What kind of "logical" arguments do we have at our disposal here? I could make a case based on my recent previous posts for aiming at someone with high or low social + low physical from a skill standpoint. But I was also curious to see how you'd react.

With everything I have to go on looking back at everything I just think he's the best option at this time. If anyone has anything more compelling I'm willing to listen but I'm really lacking much to go on yet other than some of his posts really stood out as "out there" at the beginning...

As an aside, I tend to think the majority of people who pushed for a position early on likely had it tie in to personal victory conditions. I'd imagine being in power would assist the murderer's objectives, but it would also put them under the spotlight if something went wrong in their particular area.

I was just sort of trying to play up my character a bit. I wanted to lead the engineer team because I am the best engineer here, so it made the most sense for me to do so. Unfortunately, everyone fell into groupthink and just went with basically was suggested first. I wasn't around the first couple of days much and that hurt my campaign.

Do you really think the murder would put himself out there and create suspicious about a shady past? No. he is going to stay under-the-radar as much as possible. That is why the whole argument about me being UTR is crazy.

Let's not fall into groupthink again.

I'm using UTR in comparison to some of the people who are getting looked at today, i.e. Dan and Fox. Also, if you keep spreading lies about being the best engineer that's reason enough for me to vote you.

And how does my voting of you fall into "groupthink"?

Just to be clear CF would have been my first real vote if I didn't play into Suicane's allegation of me. I reacted so quickly to assert my innocence because I am not used to someone being so against me. I should have just went with my original feeling from the start. I'm not used to being in such a powerless position...

So you think someone saying they are the best engineer equates to them being a murderer?

Should I post non-sense in big bold letters so that I don't fly UTR? I can do that.

I guess I should have put a winky face after that sentence to echo my sentiment at the time of writing it - however you are not the best engineer here.

That more directed toward others who may vote for me.

Furthermore, I'm not really voting you because of any particular UTR leanings, I said it was mostly a placeholder based on what I recall from my gut from early on (which I expanded on, per your request), however your defensiveness is intriguing.

We're all not working with much here.

All I can do is go by what information was given to me and that is that I am the best engineer and scientist in the colony. If you want to say you are the best engineer here, then that is fine but it is just simply not true.

What's the engineering equivalent of a steel cage match, because let's do that.

See post #2397 where you said you were going to vote for an UTR creative type. Your story is already starting to fall apart.

I said:


That's overall, that's where I'm thinking I'm leaning on this particular day. That was before I put in what was essentially a placeholder, and is by no means set in stone .. but you're not exactly compelling me to focus on others.

I'm done for most of the night until after the vote. Once I hit about 3:00 PM (pacific) here I'm getting in end of work/family time. I'll try to pay attention to what is going on but I'm pretty set on my voting.

I think this is that whole ego thing that EF mentioned.

All of that said, with so much unknown, I do think if there are people who aren't answering our questions and we think we'll learn the most by targeting them (whether to force them to reveal info or potentially learning about others upon their death), I'm all for it.

Font - would love for you to speak about the manifest some more.

Are you actually going to contribute anything or are you just going to troll me?
You accused me of holding the colony back which is complete bullshit.

Cue nightly CF rants... :) :) :)

These aren't the murderers you're looking for?

I picked three details, but I think sharing all of this information about individual weaknesses is a mistake that could lead to blackmail and maybe even conversion. Again, I made the mistake of being very open with similar information in the clue game, and significantly helped the wolf team as a result. In addition, CF has outed himself as the stowaway and is probably telling the truth, so the impediate useful aspect of the manifest (finding the stowaway) is moot. If you really think I should share it, I will, but I can smell a backfire down the line.

And it's not "some colonists." It's Raven and now Jackal. Could some other people weigh in?

Also, could you blink twice if you are required to imprison people who speak out against you?
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Vote DanGarion

Are you aware that your constant vote-hopping comes off as an attempt to save yourself?I'd actually be ok with voting CF, as he's almost certainly not on our side.

Yes I am, which is why I retracted the votes. I feel I have a reasonable excuse as to why I did it. First I voted for myself, then I voted for our leaders pick and then I made my true vote. If you think I'm trying to manipulate the vote so be it, but it was just an overcorrection to my overreaction.

Might I add that one day of vote hopping isn't constant...

Thanks font... Appreciate what you feel you are able to discuss and also the fact that you think some information is best left unknown as a group. I only hope, and think that you do, have a good relationship with Thom and will share with him. I have to say that the leadership switch had me worried but I like how the transition has been handled.

For what it is worth I trust you as much as anyone else in this game so far. All of your statement have been consistent and have a straightforward prose. Well done in a tough position.

I also feel like Thom has gained my trust with his reaction and current position within the group. While I am not sure about his hidden objectives his goals seem to be focused in the right direction. Until he shows otherwise, like I have stated, he also has my trust.

I believe that while CF seems to be our stowaway he has not shown that he is necessarily aligned with evil interests. I have not seen a reason to think that he is directly working with the murderer. The information he has provided to date has passed my sniff test and while he is prone to hyperbole he has been correct with a lot of what he has said.

I agree with others that we need to think long and hard about how the murderer would try to fit amongst us. It seems as though having a presence but not being too strong of a persona one way or the other would be the best way to integrate oneself into the group and not draw criticism that would expose the true motives.

That is precisely, as much as we can in a game like this, why I think some of those I have previously listed as my suspects list are on that list. In some cases the stories don't add up, in others it is because they have not been up front with objectives or motives.

Right now, in no particular order, GoldenEagle, DanGarion, autumn and suicane give me the most pause. I know it now be fair to those individuals but that is how I feel. Others have been very quiet, Saldana and ntn, but haven't given me a reason to question their motives.

I have shown throughout the game that I am willing to switch my stance as information is provided and I remain open to have dialog in order to make as much as an informed decision as possible.

Hot damn that is a ramble I just went on... Sorry about that.

as much as I don't think voting the stowaway would be good, after looking back over the list for a while, I think I will be voting CrimsonFox if he doesn't divulge anything more this evening about his character and situation. If he truly is the stowaway I don't see any reason to not tell more, but other than that claim he is fishy all over. I can't get past the idea that they sent a car mechanic to Mars. Smells pretty fake.

vote Golden Eagle

I have been very suspicious of him from Day 0. Claiming to be the best engineer and scientist when we likely have the same amount of points spread across the same amount of categories. That makes it very unlikely that you are the best at both. I don't believe a Computer Programmer would make the best engineer of our group as well. Everything about GoldenEagle has made me uneasy from the start. Calling for my removal from the Engineering position didn't help matters either.

Think he has more in common with the movie, "The Mechanic" and less like an actual auto mechanic.

By the way, not sure who "Dave" is from the FOFC facebook group (EF?), but your post there is what brought me to the game. I know somebody mentioned they came here from the Steam forum post, so just wanted to mention how I found out about this game.

This is only my 2nd WW game, last time played was WW IV or V, back in 2005.

I am super excited that we have new blood, and I hope we roll right into some more games going forward.

Just going to put that out there. I think players whose background seems fishy are the place I'm going to focus today. There are several others, but I think CF has the most explaining to do.

Sorry Ihave been absent for a few days. The Weather has kept me away from the computer. NO more snow here I think! woohoo!

A few points.
1) I don't think this is a prison ship, as someone suggested earlier. As far as I can tell from my bio, I haven't committed a crime.
2) I suspect that Timmae knows about me. (as the identity thief blogger)
3) Because, my identity was stolen on earth. This was the reason I joined the mission To get away from that.

That vote is more a belief that CF isn't the murderer than GE is.

VOTE DANGARION

I want to know what his deal is. I don't think he will say (or is unable to). Maybe this is the way.

I'm not wild about the choices here, as I don't know that I feel any better about CF or GE, and we have some UTR types as well.

But I'm rolling with DG for right now and seeing where this goes.

(OCC) just an FYI, as we roll into the start of the weekend tomorrow... I will not be here as much Monday-Wed next week. I had a last minute work trip thrown on my schedule that I just found out about today. I'll do what I can those days but I probably won't be able to contribute much... :(

I looked through the list of names but nothing really stood out. I'll vote for someone but I wont feel that great about it.

Vote DanGarion

Timewarping from page 43...

WOOHOO 5 WAY TIE!

The new math... :D

I think everyone that voted for anyone other than the three top vote getters should all vote for the same person to give us a 4 way tie!

Wait... CF is leading with 6...

Nevermind... :) I misread there.

Quoted for truth

:welcome:

It's all up to you fellow deputy.

Holy smokes.

Ain't that the truth.

I... am willing to continue as part of the police force.

Let me be honest and air some dissatisfaction with the state of martial law that we are still in. I have learned through past experience that the law, when unchecked, may run amok. I hoped there would be no occasion for the same here on Mars. And, to this point, you have exhibited what I would characterize as a heavier hand than appropriate with a few of our fellow colonists.

That said, I still hold the opinion that your intentions are to benefit the group. Further, timmae and font, two of our fellows in whom I have the most confidence, are ardent supporters of your leadership. So I am motivated to continue in service to our fledgling government in the hopes that it will be the ideal tool to ensure the prosperity of our new lives on Mars.

This came from the pattern of the murderer attacked two wounded colonists. I don't think it's been substantiated by anything else in particular.

Loved it! :)

Yes yes. You guys are getting a complex introduction, so everything else should be easy as pie... :p

GE's a likely self-preservation vote, so I should choose whom to push into an eventual tie with him...

(do we know how bad ties will be?)

So no one else cares what's on the manifest? Font has asked for more opinions before sharing and nobody has stepped up and asked for it

I'll ask for it. I'm not sure that what we can learn from the manifest is specific enough to benefit whomever we might be fighting against (the murderer and who else?) more than it would the group at large.

So, alluding to the above, I will...

vote CrimsonFox

because I don't know anything that suggests that it would be a _good_ idea to keep the putative stowaway around. Feel free to correct me--DG and GE's behavior hasn't seemed shiny to me, either.

I would also like to know.

i absolutely do not miss this

What if we need CF? He's an unknown to the group that sent us here, the nice people that knocked us out and want us dead (at least some of them).

Yes you do, shut up.

I want to know what's on the MANIFEST!

Unvote: DanGarion
Vote: Golden Eagle

I don't like the idea of CF going down before either of those two, so I'll at least give him a fighting chance.

Edited immediately just to bold.

And yes, I too would like to know what's on the manifest, people know my secret, I'd like everyone to know everyones secret.

Thank you britrock for your honesty and support. I agree that I have been a bit heavy handed-like with shoveler last night. I am trying to tone that down, but with this new situation I feel that I cannot really.

Please stay tuned for your orders tonight

I think right now that CF is doomed to trial...

as usual i don't think half the people here are paying attention to what's going on.

THere doesn't seem to be one goodside and one bad side but a bunch of people all out for themselves with their own personal goals. I have no idea how killing enters into this.
It seems that the people voting for me, most of them aren't even considering any of this.

vote dangarion

i didn't mind you keeping some things to yourself as it seems everyone is doing that. BUt your sudden switch to me is bs

what exactly is a trial

I personally think that CF should be removed from the thought that he is the killer. I truly believe that he is our stowaway. We have plenty of evidence from Mission Control that the stowaway seems to be unknown to them as well. That gives us a 1/19 chance of finding the murderer tonight.

Those of you willing to put CF on trial should think again. He's the wrong man.

see this is what you guys aren't thinking about. JUST because I'm not on the manifest you assume bad. When the manifest shows that there are many bad people here.

Font,

I understand your dilemma from what you described from your previous game, but if the manifest is good somehow to the bad guys, I have to think its good for us to good guys too. Enough citizens have asked now as well. So I ask that you reveal all that you know and lay the blame on me if it ends up helping the bad guys too much.

this thread needs more ponies

so wait, font has it and has still said nothing about it?