Maybe I got a little too excited. Let me rephrase what I said:

I don't know if LSG is good, but Sublime2 tried to kill her last night with some evil-looking magic (black glowing hands, etc.). I assume that if an evil character is trying to kill someone, that person is likely good.

Not possible. Welcome to my suspect list.

Explain. For the meantime, schmidty makes me unhappy.

UNVOTE THOMKAL

Holy crap. You are either totally mis-informed, or you are evil.

I'll do a full role reveal if I have to, but you are wrong. According to Anxiety, Sublime2 tried to kill LSG last night.

Looks like Izulde might be on the side of evil. Maybe announcing what Sublime2 tried to do has them scrambling.

Izulde isn't on the side of evil, and I trust his story more than yours. What I am interested in however is trying to reconcile the two things that you and Izulde know and see if both happening could be possible. If not, then I'll believe Izulde over you.

Here's the deal:

I don't think Sublime could have attempted a kill on LSG last night because he spent most of the evening talking to me, getting drunk.

I have absolutely no idea if Izulde is good or bad, but the fact that he told me what happened "can't be possible" makes me question that.

Ok, time for a full reveal:

I am Lafe Eriksdotter. I am a Beorning, trained in the art of skin-shifting by the great Beorn. I am able to transform into a bear and protect someone every night. There's a chance that when the person I protect is attacked, I can either kill the attacker or identify them. I cannot be lynched by the townsfolk, as I am too strong for them, and will just throw them around and leave the game. I cannot be identified or killed at night as long as I'm skin-shifted and protecting someone. There is one other part of my role, but I'm not allowed to say what it is. Suffice it to say that it behooves you to keep me in the game.

The past two nights, I have protected LSG. The first night, nothing happened. Last night, Sublime2 tried to attack her, but I fought him off. As he was running away, his cowl fell, and I was able to identify him.

There. All my cards are on the table. Do what you want with this info.

Oh, I guess I just assumed that LSG was attacked by a bear.

I think its becoming clear to me a bit more what might have plausibly happened..

Schmidty can you tell me what you know of Sublime's actions or dismeanor or how he handled himself last night? Can you tell if he was confident, or drunk or scared or timid or anything?

Yeah its cool. I wish now you hadn't done the reveal. It finally came to me as you see by my post that I made at the same time as yours. I finally put 2 and 2 together here... I had been assuming the bear attacked LSG.. but then realized that wasn't necessarily true. I finally realized the bear was you but a bit too late.

Very odd; however, according to my PM from Anxiety, he did attempt to kill her. Period.

I don't know what that means, but I'm assuming that actions happen at night in a certain order, and that players can do more than one thing a night. I'd like to see Anxiety confirm that fact if he could. (Just the order/multiple actions per night thing)

I'd rather vote sublime than THomkal today if we don't have enough support for ntn. I would rather try to take out a member of Sauron than a second Saruman member right now

I'm withholding judgement on who to vote for until the Advil kicks in.

Things always happen in an order. Unless there is an obvious order, when it matters, I roll randomly for what phase of night something happens. When it doesn't matter, I just select something that fits story-wise to what is going on. For some actions, there is a pre-determined order.

-Anxiety

Wow some interesting revelations today. Now I don't know who to believe. I can't imagine that Schmidty is lying given that I viewed him. But we know nothing about Ntndeacon other than what he's told us.

Who are you thinking about voting for Thomkal?

Let me give an example to illuminate what I am saying. These are examples from my first game.

One character had the night action ability to become immune for the night to any attack. Obivously, that ability applied before any attacks happend that night, or else the ability's usefulness would be laughable.

If I had two actions that interfered with each other, I would just roll off. The second in command had the ability to try and assassinate the Magister. If there had been a night action by the wolves to kill the second-in-command on the same night he tried to assassinate the Magister, I'd roll to see which went first. If he is killed, he couldn't assassinate. If he assassinates and then is killed, someone else became Magister. So I would have rolled dice.

In this game, there are much less potential conflict situations. I built the game batter.

-Anxiety

Unvote Thomkal


How do you know that Sublime is a member of the Saruman caste? Nothing has been said to that effect.

I have already voted for NTNdeacon, see the last page.

Judging from his cowl and the blacker-than-black glowing stuff that came out of his hands, I would assume that he's an agent of Sauron, not Saruman.

THat was my assumption too.. ntn either didn't read my post completely or something.

Actually thinking about things further...

The normal method of night kills this game has been a stabbing death. The occasional second kill has been something more "magical".

I would assume Sauron's team has the nightly kill and the more random magical attack would be some night assassin that Saruman's side has perhaps.

The glowing hands to me makes me think that LSG was going to be the magical night attack target, while Swaggs was obviously stabbed to death.

That means to me if I'm right, Sauron's side killed Swaggs and Saruman's side went after LSG. If so it likely means LSG isn't on Saruman's team but I am guessing we already figured that out from her giving up BrianD before anyways.

Not sure if it clears LSG from Sauron's side just yet though.

unvote ntndeacon
vote sublime

Eh, guess I will go with this, from what I know I think I'll test out Schmidty today like we tested out LSG yesterday. Lets see if Schmidty is telling the truth (which I believe he is) and kill Sublime.

Given Anxiety's explanation, it's quite reasonable for both our stories to be correct, Schmidty.

With that in mind, I'll go Sublime, then. As Alan points out, if you're wrong, then you're a bad guy and we kill you tomorrow.

VOTE SUBLIME 2

Sounds good to me.

I'm going with Schmidty's reveal

VOTE SUBLIME

If we cannot get a lynch with this, then I will consider moving to another target.

I don't think this will be a problem, the vote seems to be mobilizing pretty fast.

VOTE SUBLIME

Happy birthday, Thomkal!!!

(I just noticed)

Thanks Schmidty :)

Happy Birthday Thomkal!

Hey Mr. W, wasn't your birthday a few days ago too? Happy belated B-day ;)

I must have misread it then. On first reading it sounded like you were Saying he was with Sarumon.

Nah, initially I was thinking he was on Sauron's side.. but my later post made me reconsider it and now I think there is a chance he is on Saruman's side.. So in a way you were right about my thoughts, just for the wrong reason :)

and Happy Birthday Thomkal, you evil person you. :)

Hey birthday boy (Thomkal) stop ignoring this question.

I just want to know why you wait every day for a while before revealing who you scanned. Who are you waiting on to give you your info?

Ok day 1 you had a migrane.. fair enough people wouldn't go so low to make up stuff like that for gamesmanship.

Day 2 you were upset because you scanned Dodgerchick who died so left for a bit until you cooled down.

Now if I was to even believe day 2, lets look at today where you waited for me to reveal about tyrith?? Why would you wait for me when I had previously said I was getting on a plane to toronto and didn't know when I would be back (perhaps not until the evening )

That boy is like trying to nail down jello.

First off, thanks for the birthday wishes, even you NTNdeacon. :) Second I completely missed your post about going to Toronto Alan, but I was waiting for you and everyone to chime in on the lynch and LSG's news to see who was still on my side. You have been one of the few willing to listen to me and consider at least that I might be good. Wanted to see who still felt that way before revealing, and if any other news came out about Tyrith since I now knew he was good.

I will be here for about a half-hour, then gone for a couple hours perhaps.

No jello for my birthday, I always have angel food cake. :)

Can you tell us anything more about this? Why would he be drinking with you?

Current vote count from what I can tell:

(2) ntndeacon - Jonathan Ezarik (2382), Thomkal (2383)
(7) Sublime - Schmidty (2398), Alan (2423), Izulde (2424), Mr.Wednesday (2426), Grammaticus (2427), Tyrith (2428), ntndeacon (2434)

no votes: Lonestargirl, sublime, DaddyTorgo

FINALLY HOME. What are the odds that my laptop would break while playing WW and LITERALLY 14 hours before FM arrived on my doorstep? How ridiculous is that? Catching up now...and by tomorrow I will have a brand new dual-core, 2gb ram, 240gb hd laptop for FM and WWving

I was finding out his role, which is Keeper of the Stables. However, that shouldn't be taken as any indication as to if he's Light or Dark because I don't find out that information.

To be honest, the information I get from role revelations has been not the most useful thus far, to say the least.

dola,

I also got him drunk enough that he wouldn't remember the conversation the next day, so naturally he'll say it never happened.

It was, thanks. (And thanks for noticing. :))

NOOOOO.

had a long post typed up that got erased when i got logged out by virtue of my parent's desktop having an "auto-logoff" thing setup.

anyways...to summarize

I agree that Sublime would be a Sarumaner by virtue of the description of the night kill. If we kill another Sarumaner then we seriously weaken them and move that much closer to an endgame scenario. Is there any way anyone can think of to solve the Thomkal vs. LSG issue without lynching one or the other? I was talking with Alan last night about setting up a sublime vs. ntndeacon scenario today anyways. Interesting role of Schmidty's. Quite happy to test his truthfullness (although with the inability to lynch him I'm not sure what good it will actually do). Did he actually say he was on the side of light in his reveal, could he be another "unaligned/seperate victory condition" person (don't want to go back and look and lose this post). Oh, and could Swaggs have been on to something and that's why he got night-killed?

VOTE SUBLIME

how many do we need for a lynch tonight anyways? any math-majors?

i'll prolly be on spottily between now and lynch (on my phone likely) as I have minimal access (can't monopolize the family computer), but it doesn't look like the vote will shift.

Interesting the voting patterns, the only ones still on ntndeacon are Thom and Jon? Is that because they had to go out and their votes were earlier and they havn't come back, or is it something more?

Will try to check in before lynch at least a lil.

I would imagine (especially given his capabilities) that Schmidty has separate victory conditions, which is probably the thing that he's not revealing to us. From what I recall of the Beornings, though, I wouldn't think we'd have to worry about his interests being different from ours as regards Sauron and probably Saruman.

Happy Birthday Mr. Thomkal

Hey Daddy, the losing the post thing has happened to me several times and it was suggested that I type my post on a notepad and paste it in the message window.

I count twelve remaining, so seven would be required to lynch.

Yes. See, it' called basic math.

12/2 = 6. That's half. Add one, that's seven, the smallest number required for a majority from 12.

Thanks anxiety for the birthday wishes.

Well since Sublime tried to kill me, ill definnitly vote for him, but tomorrow everybody should go for thomkal.... I figure either me or Schmidty will end up dead in the morning

Vote Sublime

No Thomkal has been in and just chose not to move his vote.

JE said that he was going to leave it on ntn since he figured Sublime was a done deal.


As far as I can tell, Schmidty cannot be killed via lynch, but would leave the game and therefore no longer be playing. About the same effect as getting lynched. Right now, I think the best way to test him is to lynch sublime.

I did? I don't recall actually posting this (and I looked for it and couldn't find it), but that's pretty much how I feel. I trust Schmidty, so I have no doubt that Sublime is evil and if I need to, I will switch my vote to him. Gramm, can you read my mind?

Don't worry.

Just make a good decision on who to test tonight.

Ideas?

off-topic but WTF good is compusa's backup good for if they hafta call me and go "we can only back up pictures music and documents not applications. what stuff do you want backed up?"

ummm...aren't I paying them to run "search" on my computer and figure out the location of all that stuff?? they expect me to what...sit on the phone and provide them with pathways?? wtf.

no it didn't really cost me much. hopefully they get all my docs and my pron.

Someone not obviously bad, who you haven't viewed yet. That would be my first thought.

I have three or four people on my list, but nobody beleives me about thomkal, i dont know why y'all will beileve me about whoever i reveal tomorrow

she has a point...

Never know! We believed you about briand! :)

I'll likely vote to lynch ntn tommorrow unless someone comes in with some magical new person to lynch again tommorrow :)

It's not I don't believe you, I want Thomkal dead and have for several days, but the evidence about Sublime is as conclusive at this point, so it isn't as if we're ignoring you.

why do you insist on voting for somebody you dont KNOW is bad, when i have presented you with somebody who DEFINITLY is? You aren't playing a good game Alant

Maybe one shouldn't insult my game unless one knows all the facts! :)

Maybe you can prove to me that ntn is good or bad then instead of supporting ntn for days without any proof yourself.

I haven't supported him at all. From the get go i said i was tired of lynching people without proof they were bad. Ntn is one i dont have proof on. He very well may be bad, in fact, he probably is, but until i scan him, or Schmidty says he's bad, I will not vote for him

Thats why everyone gets a vote of their own to do what they want with it :)

At least I won't insult you for voting how you feel. :)

[quote=Alan T;1307279]Maybe one shouldn't insult my game unless one knows all the facts! :) [quote]


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(whoops)

Just because you put a smilie behind your sentences doesn't mean that people will believe you are happy when you say them. I have been insulted in by spleen in every game we have played together, dont take it personally.

...Isn't it past time? Anxiety was just here.

Daddy, alant is known for hiding stuff, or at least saying he is hiding something when really he is just trying to feel important

So because Spleen insults you, its ok to insult me. :) I'm not taking it personally, I just find it interesting when one resorts to insults to try to get their point across. By telling me how horrible a job I am doing will make me suddenly realize "oh gosh, she's right. I'll drop any independant thought whatsoever and ignore anything I might know behind the scenes and just become a lemming!"

Go ahead, keep on attacking me. If you say enough mean things about me, everyone will believe you!

NICE. got another!

Like expected, he was on Saruman's side. Figures they would be pretty upset at LSG for giving us BrianD yesterday. Funny how Sauron's side hasn't been as upset with her.

Alant, get over it, all i said is you aren't playing that good a game. Its okay, we all have our days. And I'm not attacking you, what Blade did on day 2 was an attack... This is nothing

because she hasn't scanned and revealed anyone on that side obviously. gives us an idea of where to start looking.

Hopefully ill find me a Sauron tonight

It's ok, I forgive you :)



I'm still voting ntn tommorrow! :)

what if LSG scans and clears ntn?

Hey Schmidty, can you guard the same person for as many days in a row as you want?

Or else because she is on that side.

As I said last night, I'm not pushing that viewpoint right now, but it still hasn't been disproven.

true

i'm going to be gone most of the day tomorrow. meeting an hour away from like 9-5 and then i gotta get home and then go to compusa and pickup the new machine...so i likely won't be on till ~7, though i will try to check in with my phone as per usual

just an early FYI...assuming i survive the night

Then I guess I would have to reconsider voting for him.

However since no one has cleared him the 4 - 5 days he's been suspect #1, I don't see that happening.

Alan, it sounds to me like you're the one being a bit vindictive. Just saying.

I'm not saying you can't suspect who you want, but just because you have a personal thing with her doesn't mean you should throw out accusations. Unless you actually have a reason. If so, tell me now.

I need to know as much info as I can ASAP, so that I can make a good night action decision.

Yes.

For what its worth I believe you. It was easier I think to get the majority against Sublime. I plan on voting for Thomkal tomorrow.

Schmidty, I think you did a good job last night with the guard. It got us a bad guy, so I'll trust your judgement with who you guard tonight. I don't have anything to give you to sway your decision to guard anyone else.

Anyhows, I'm not being vindictive at all, she cleared me.. what do I have to seek revenge for? :) I still plan on voting ntn tommorrow however like I have planned every day for the past 4 days though :)

yea I would be interested in what he thinks he knows as well.

Cool, but can you give me a quick synopsis of your reasoning just to refresh my memory?

Do you really think that will change Alan's mind? we have a confirmed bad guy already.

All I have is hunches, I don't have any cool seer power to scan suspects with, otherwise I would have scanned ntn long ago. So far though, not one person who has turned up bad has placed a serious vote on ntn, and in fact voted strong for other people to keep him alive.

Ntn has had amazingly long shelf life for someone that hasn't been cleared. People can say i am a crappy WW player if they want, its fine.. but I still have my reasons. :)

sorry, Alan. I hadn't seen this post yet. :) but my point about a known bad guy still stands.

Alant, a couple of nights back you published a COT of sorts, people who you trusted because Swaggs cleared them and Izulde told you were good... I can't find it anywhere, can you publish it again?

Well that was a few days ago, my trust changes daily on things. I can give you my current distrust and unknowns if you want.

Distrust: Ntndeacon

Unknowns: Mr.Wednesday, DaddyTorgo

Dueling banjos err seers: Thomkal, Lonestargirl.

I assume 1 of the 2 seers is bad if not both, I assume at least 1 if not both of the unknowns is bad, however Swaggs did speak on Mr.W's behalf but we could not figure out if it meant for sure Mr.W was good or just not on Thomkal's team. And I assume ntndeacon is bad.

Anyone else not listed here I'm not really worried about right now.

So you aren't worried about Gramm, or Jonathan or Tyrith?

Oh completely forgot about Tyrith. boy he fell under the radar fast. Well Thomkal "cleared" Tyrith today, but i would put him in the category with Mr.W who also was "cleared" by thomkal.

Jon was cleared by lots of people, I think he is ok. Gramm I'm ok with too