The silent majority is also invisible!

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I saw one claiming more people at Marlins games.

Nobody thinks Trump voters are more stupid than conservative media does.

"Supporters are packed inside"

Jesse Watters just implicitly told FOX viewers to not believe what they see on their TV screens: a not-packed arena for Trump's first rally in months pic.twitter.com/1u80SZgQlq

— Marc Caputo (@MarcACaputo) June 21, 2020

Imagine if you camped out and slept on the concrete sidewalk for 3 days this week.

God almighty.

dola

Uhh, what?

Trump demonstrates lifting glass to his mouth. Crowd goes wild. pic.twitter.com/YmOj7MrEho

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 21, 2020

16 minutes ranting/explaining the ramp walk and water drinking episodes. I know people were critical of Lincoln Project for going there but it was effective for one reason - Trump can't let crap like that go and just punches himself in the balls demonstrating how pathetic he is every single time.

The overflow area is super bare (like less than 20 folks). And Trump is speaking to 5-10k people inside.

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Somebody said that if the campaign were a game Biden would be a mini-boss and the ramp would be the final boss.

But this is the genius of Trump. He's a Rorschach's test, especially to those who follow him. See what you want to see.

In the CNN live feed about it:
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...oma/index.html



SI

Watching various conservatives praise Trump's ability to drink water with one hand is fun.

It will be fun to watch conservatives all say over the next 24 hours that Trump wasn't serious about ordering reduced testing. Then for Trump to tweet that of course he was serious. Then for those same conservatives to all then defend him saying that of course he ordered less testing because the fake news was just using testing numbers to make him look bad.

Snopes says true.

100%

Is Kung Fu a racist term? I thought it was a martial art.

Not sure if you are being serious, but he said KungFlu in reference to Covid 19


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Someone explain to me the sense in these campaign rallies where you generally speak only in fron of people that will vote for you anyway ?

he needs to feel validated. This is where he can be told "Yes Mr President, you're right! Keep it up" and not have those damn newsies get in the way.

Campaign rallies predate Trump by just a hair. Media coverage, inspiring the faithful to go out and do whatever (voter registration, talk to people they know and convince them to vote, etc.), and there are some who go to the rallies who weren't necessarily intending to vote for a candidate as well. A small minority but it does happen.

Klan rallies too, but he seems to have brought them back in fashion.

The walk of shame. pic.twitter.com/u0GRFnnKeY

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) June 21, 2020

Kind of how I feel after a long day, too. But this isn't the image that you want out there if you are Trump.

The one thing that his supporters will not tolerate is being associated with weakness.

I think that Trump could shoot a guy on 5th Avenue and keep his base's approval.

But if he says "Man, I feel bad about shooting that guy; I probably shouldn't have done that," that's when people start to leave.

dola:

I also can't help but note that 30,000,000 Americans losing their jobs didn't seems to phase him one bit.

But one rally having lower than expected attendance seems to have nearly broken him.

We've gone from Clinton's "I feel your pain" to Trump's "I do not believe that people other than me are capable of feeling pain"

Stewed on this a bit... is it possible that "slow the testing" might actually become a plank in the Trump message from here? Are we really that far gone?

Why bother slowing? Why not simply call for it to stop at this point?

...also have another longer thought not yet fully developed about "dehumanizing" that seems to connect to several things we've seen recently... references to protestors, talking about police as hot knives through butter and chokeholds as beautiful, and dismissing illnesses as numbers, that sort of thing... eventually winding its way around to the flood of ads i get for murder-the-zombies genre game, which seems to have some similar psych elements to "those people are not really people"... maybe it will come together at some point...heaven knows the fuel will be there

Here in Georgia, the primary also included decisive elections for "non-partisan" races for Supreme Court, County Commissioner, Sherriff, and many other races.

Stage One Proceeding On Schedule: White House Official: Trump Was Just Joking About Stifling COVID Testing!

The Emptysburgh Address. Ha! Lincoln Project is doing it all for Biden.

I like, "I Have a Drink."

dola

lol

This is art. pic.twitter.com/ZPJxHu20TV

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) June 21, 2020

LOL, Joe's new campaign slogan, "I am not a whiney Bitch" classic!

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...571278342?s=19

It was so bad, Chris Wallace on Fox News was calling them out

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I remember when it considered the greatest thing ever to see the reaction candidate/'citizen of the world' Barack Obama got in Berlin. Where they can't even vote for the US president.

My, how things have changed.

Given the public protests going on around the world, Trumps' "make America great again" slogan has got to be considered something that is no longer appropriate to say? To me it's a text book example of how to insult large groups of people. Four years ago I thought it was just an insult to 2/3rd of 960M people in America and outside the USA, but I suppose it has to be a slap in the face of a lot of people inside the USA as well now.

Side note: visiting the English Wikipedia page of "America" didn't make my mood any better. For whatever reason, Wikipedia has taken a political stance on the subject, to divert from being factual and specifically have a different English language page compared to other languages'. Yes, I sent an e-mail. I didn't call it propaganda and censure, but it reeks of it. The kind we all claim to only know from countries like Russia, China, Iran, Turkey and North Korea.

It's been considered to be a racist term for a while. Not the phrase itself, but that anyone using it is racist

Ok, I'm game - so what's going on? I mean I tried to go onto the Talk page but it's like a mile long. Like how can you tell that there are different pages for different languages

SI

Trump's new ad slams Biden for being old and weak...

It's seriously like the Trump campaign is an offense that runs 3 plays.

Trump really has no effective attacks on Biden at the moment.

I saw that one. I laughed and laughed. Like this is the best they got? Like this guy is the one that is running on the "he's too old" line? LMFAO

I've seen some right wing arguments that Biden is old and feeble, so he will be a "Weekend at Bernie's" President, while AOC and Antifa really run the country behind the scenes.

Which is a pretty bad argument if you think about it for more than 10 seconds because it pretty much concedes that Biden himself is actually fine.

Trump re-engaging with the "election is rigged" game this morning on Twitter. I've felt this way for a couple of years, but I feel like we're in a lose/lose situation come November - either he wins and we're screwed, or he loses and tries to recruit 30% of the country to tear it down on his way out.

Unless they can get the election to be more of a referendum on AOC/Antifa than Trump or Biden.

It kind of reminds me of the GOP strategy to take back the house in 2010. In many races they didn't attack the opening house candidates directly. They attacked Pelosi and made the race a referendum on her. After all any democratic house member was going to vote for her for speaker regardless of what they other positions they stood for.

But that's unlikely to work. Trump is the incumbent and it's a Presidential election. It's going to be very hard to make the election about anything other than Trump. Trying to tie Biden to the far left also will be very difficult because he just beat the far-left candidate. Trump is also complicating things by trying to simultaneously get to Biden's right and left.

edit: I don't think Trump has a chance outside of voter suppression and B.S. from the DoJ. But with that, he could win again.

No doubt it would be pretty difficult but it would move the fight to a more favorable battleground.

I've always thought there is an outside chance he is actually done and would love to go on the post presidential money grab/running his own right wing 24 hour news network. Not so sure he wouldn't happily leave the White House.

I do think that he's rather not be President than be President.

But he also cannot handle losing.

So even though he might be happy to go, he'll still burn the place down on his way out by claiming voter fraud.

Oh yeah he won't go quietly. However much to the chagrin of a large chunk of this board I don't think the reaction will be the country burning. In fact there really is only one extreme end of either political party that has burned down cities and taken over part of a major metropolis. A black president was elected and the "silent racist majority" didn't do anything like we have seen in the past several weeks. My fear would be the country burning due to a Trump reelection.

Not to be misinterpreted as my wanting anything but a new President. My personal preference would be Jorgensen then Biden. Just feel like it's hard to claim one extreme side won't take the election results seriously when another extreme side has already stooped to lawlessness and anarchy.

If he loses badly, he'll leave office early and leave Pence to do the transition for a pardon. New York State will have to chase him down if they want him.

Interesting theory. He's on a plane to his golf course in Scotland before election night is over and tweets out his resignation. That is a distinct possibility.

I certainly do not see him doing all of the stuff that an outgoing President normally does (like attending the swearing in of the new guy).

I figure there are few places where he can slink off to and he's definitely going scorched earth.

I would also figure at some point if Democrats win (and they would have to win the Presidency and Senate), there would be for the sake of everyone an agreement. Enablers like Barr, Stone, and that ilk would probably see some sort of jail time (deferred). Fox News and OAN would label them all conservative martyrs. Rush would exalt them to his last breath.

Hopefully like I said, the cronies instilled would be flushed like the turds they are. Installation of competent judges rather than lackeys would start.

The agreement simply would be that Trump would be stuck at Mar-a-Lago without Twitter access or the ability to discuss any insight into anything at any network. His wife would soon be his ex-wife after scoring a revised pre-nup to do what she always intended to do. His dumb adult children would scurry off for endorsements but never reaching the heights like he did. Any violation would be met with litigation, but with coffers that are limited and a public throwing money at the next conservative blowhard to stop fascism. I would hope his biggest accomplishment to the American people would be to pass from this Earth on the gold commode seething about how fast he lost as he tried to pass out the last remnants of a partially eaten McDonald's burger.

Either that or he's going to Russia.

Quite simple, if you know some basic wikipedia and the short 2 character abbreviations of the various languages. I've checked English (en.) vs Dutch (nl.), French (fr.), Italian (it.), German (de.) and Spanish (es.). Only English has "America" redirect to "United States". All the others simply show information about America (or whatever the spelling is in that language) or to a "disambiguation" page.

Not a tweet, but pretty much Stage 2.

REPORTER: Did you really ask to slow down coronavirus testing?

TRUMP: “If it did slow down, frankly, I think we’re way ahead of ourselves, if you wanna know the truth. We’ve done too good of a job.” pic.twitter.com/zy4LAWcCii

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 22, 2020

Difference between protesting the murder of unarmed people and protesting election results?

https://twitter.com/Devilstower/stat...22744084643840



There may be a reckoning coming (and yes I know it's from a writer from Daily Kos, so we may need to get more data).

Not talking about the protestors. Talking about the subset of rioters and looters and the Republic of Seattle are whatever they are calling it.

I hope our intelligence agencies/law enforcement/etc are already working on plans for the day after he loses (or God forbid wins). Journalists need to dig deep to find any schemes the Trump Family might already be cooking up. He never appeared for his own impeachment hearing let alone put forth any plausible defense of his actions. I don't think there's a chance any of them stick around for a trial or Congressional oversight/investigations, especially if Congress does get hold of his taxes before the election and it shows what many of them think it will show.

Does Scotland (well GB I guess) have an extradition treaty with the US?

Asking for a friend...

There is an extradition treaty between the UK and the US, yes.

I think you have a tough time connecting the looters to the protestors. But if you want to, there were examples of this during Obama. There was a Tea Party event that included throwing metal barricades at the WH fence. There were a couple of high profile anti-government stand-offs. There was a congressman shouting at Obama during the State of the Union.

Not to mention from everything people in Seattle have reported CHAZ seems like a festival more than Escape from New York.

I'm sure the guy who was killed is having a blast.

One guy got killed in 2 weeks of CHAZ, it must be a post-apocalyptic hellscape! Even though the folks who live in Seattle say it's basically a hippie hangout - because what do the people who actually live there know...

It is a big city, people get shot all the time.

Probably just a few bad apples

SI

Actually multiple have been shot.

Look at the interesting moving goalposts while failing to address anything else... 3 people have been shot in the last two weeks (in the center of a major city), including the 2 at the same time that resulted in the person getting killed (which seems may have been because they shot each other).

I don't think it's fair to characterize a white dude purposely driving an unmarked SUV into the CHOP and shooting black teenagers as a purely leftist crime. Likewise, plenty of the looting and violence has proven to be perpetrated & instigated by reactionary right-wing groups & individuals.

While I think it is generally true that demographics practically dictate that only leftist causes & localities are popular and public enough to get to the point that the scale of protesting allows for looting and violence, the people committing the chaos & crime are not so easily pigeonholed.

'Remember Who We're Fighting For': The Uneasy Existence Of Seattle's Protest Camp : NPR



Sounds just like Somalia in the 90s!

Eh, you know better than us that people are expendable. What are the economic costs of this situation? That's what I'm concerned about. Is it fiscally responsible?

:rolleyes:

I have a coworker that's close friends with someone with an apartment in the middle of the CHAZ. His only complaint is the noise goes well after midnight every day.

Nuke the entire site from orbit--it's the only way to be sure.

A day ahead of Trump’s visit to Arizona, GOP Senator Martha McSally proposes giving taxpayers *$4,000 each* to take a vacation.

Couples would get $8,000 in vacation tax credits, plus $500 per kid.

— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) June 23, 2020

To her credit, she isn't hiding the bread and circuses: "Vote for me because I want to send you to Disneyworld."

Not sure why more groups of people haven't forcibly taken over parts of American cities and declared themselves a sovereign state. Some of you guys will pander to any liberal cause won't you?

CHAZ does break the right wing monopoly on it. It's about time we had some both sides there.

For me, personally, I want it to ends simply because I'm tired it being portrayed as a war zone and getting questions and comments from mine and my wife's families about how bad it must be here. I also don't see a way where it disbands smoothly and peacefully at this point.

Seattle is a different world, would be a fun experiment to leave them to form their own economy. I honestly don't get what the end game is here. I actually think there gets to be a point where shit like this detracts from the result so many of us are trying to achieve with speaking out, protests and lending support.

And Dola, those tea party asshats that did this in Oregon were praised as Patriots by many. Extremism swings both ways.

That's because Mark Kelly is kicking her ass in polls right now and the GOP here fears two Dem senators.

Yeah the right wing nut jobs are so sympathetic. :rolleyes:

Of course it isn't going to end well! Why should this end well?

Yes! Which is exactly the problem. Live by the D/R paradigm die by the D/R paradigm. Of course the idiots in Oregon were wrong! Was that ever in question? Was that seriously ever in question by any sane person? Does any sane person think this is a good idea in Seattle?

I don't in either case, but then I'm an independent, so........

So why make the point about Oregon?

Dola and what could possibly go wring with people traveling from states with spikes in Covid to other states that are in better shape?

Pointing out the lunacy and hypocrisy of both extremes, which is laughable at times.

You can point out that it isn't a warzone and that it's way different than some of the media is portraying it without supporting it. I can say it's largely a hippy, peaceful, and chill area and not agree with what's going on. We're capable of having complex thoughts.

FWIW, I don't actually think it's a good idea and if they were going to do something like this I do think it would have been best to show you can organize a safe, police free zone for a week and then transition power back to the city peacefully. That's not what's happening here and I don't currently see an easy way to transition back to the city at this point without the risk of someone else trying to take control and play out their warlord fantasy.
However, I can promise people that (as of now) Seattle is not burning to the ground, women and children aren't being raped and abused, and it's not Escape from LA come to life.

The right has Oregon and there are more than 200 right wing militias that have set up defacto sovereign states throughout the country that local police aren't going to enter without either federal or state backup or calling ahead to arrange a meeting. These groups are largely immune from the law within their compounds. But 1 left wing disorganized group does some shit and simply because everyone isn't marching against it we're pandering to it?

If we get 50 more of these we can look at both-sidesism and pandering. Until then the only thing CHAZ has done is break up the shutout.

Conservatives forget history in discrediting Trump protesters | TheHill

"Obama’s presidency was marked by effigies of our first black president hanging from nooses across the country, for example in Kentucky, Washington State, and Maine, or being burned around the world. What Trump supporters fail to remember is that following Obama’s election, property was destroyed across the country, for example in Pennsylvania, Texas, and North Carolina, and a predominately black church was torched in Massachusetts."

I mean, at least we agree that there's an increasingly less silent racist faction, I don't know that it's the "majority".

IMO, it seems that the people of Seattle and the Seattle government are fine with letting them play it out, blow off some (non-violent) steam, so I'm fine with it. The issue will be when it's time to say, ok, time of pack it up. Of course I have a feeling that sooner rather than later, individual people are just going to go home.

Have there been any polls of the people of Seattle about this? And I mean actual residents of Seattle, not the people that came for the occupation. I honestly don't know the answer.

And it seems last night the mayor was getting ready to take back the occupied zone. Guess she's getting tired of letting them blow off steam.

They are talking about plans to clear the zone now, because the activity at night has become increasingly violent/counter productive, and is starting to detract from the cause.

Seattle will move to dismantle protest zone, mayor says

The lessons from Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc. are to let these protests play out with a pretty soft hand. Negotiations and slowly amped up pressure will work better than storming the area.

dola

White Nationalists are gonna white nationalist

The Fox news crew is not gonna be happy losing their au pairs

Losing all these engineers, etc...from India, China, etc...is going to be devastating.

Nailed it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/22/polit...nse/index.html

There really is no evolution for him, just like the majority of his supporters.

Whine, oppress, repeat.

I only hope his fat ass finds a seat in prison.

..and these dudes are fast!

During the biggest health crisis of this generation, @realDonaldTrump asked his officials to slow down the one thing that could keep us safe: testing.

How many families suffered and lives were lost because of his gross criminality? #AmericaOrTrump pic.twitter.com/xWYvodknE5

— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) June 23, 2020

They are Biden's best asset right now

I'm sure this isn't connected to anything.

I agree with you on the complexity comment, and agree that both sides are whacko and wrong.

However I think there is a bit of a disconnect in the specifics of the CHAZ deal vs some of the referenced "sovereign states (whih is bullshit - just to be clear)"

But Bundy Ranch was public lands where a family had a legal right to be and graze animals.
WACO was private property...
It gets a bit different when we allow a group to occupy and control public property and municipal owned (and tax supported) buildings.

I think that is a significant point of distinction here.

Ive said before Im fairly libertarian..."pure freedom" on one's own property and their own body...that doesnt extend to just taking over my neighbors house to do what I want in...