vote cronin maybe? we need to know... ;)

I also don't see your logic about Day 1 and Day 2 Telle. Both Lathum and the person who got voted out were villagers. There would be no reason for a wolf to vote for Lathum two days in a row when the other vote getters were also villagers. Just because you and Render are good from that list, doesn't make it more likely that I am bad. If anything, the fact that I had similar thinking to you should show the tendency that I am good.

This game is in the pooper.

I screwed up with the LSG thing. I wish she had protested more. The fact that she didn't really played a factor in me going after her. :(

This game really proves that I AM the Worst WW Player. Sorry clap, but you just aren't bad enough to take the "award".

I look forward to seeing if I was picked last, or second to last.

Well, that would be the difference between being a villager and a wolfish one...

There is still a chance. Since it's a given at this point that we either lose or I get killed before the game ends, I am the hunter. The reason I know Mccollins is a wolf is because he insinuated earlier that he was the hunter when I know he wasn't. It's also the reason I tried to play under the radar.

No. I am either a Wolftard, or a Villaturd.

Schmidty, in the event that you are good and these posts are real, this whoa as a me attitude doesn't help the village. We've made bad plays all game, don't worry about it, let's try and finish the best we can.

It's tradition. Trust me. It's tradition. :)

Everybody should know i work until 3pm central every day. How can i protest? There was nothing against me or ANY reason to vote me what so ever


Anyway... this game truly shows that Hoops is the master

I'm really sorry, especially since I have time issues too.

My bad. I really screwed that up, and the wolves jumped all over my mistake. I stink. :(

I'm home and getting caught up (the only positive thing about fewer players is fewer pages! :) )

In regards to your question EF - I get what you're saying. It's hard though when someone reveals first then you counter reveal - whom do we believe? His vote going along with yours though does make me wonder.

Man. I'm really annoyed. My run on LSG finished us.

I think I know who all the wolves are with the pile up after my stupidity.

I like this logic and since thinking for myself this game has not worked at all well for the villagers I'm going to follow Telle on this one. The only way we can win is if this is right:

VOTE DANNY
VOTE NIGHTFALL

As of post 2313:

2 mccollins: Danny (2277), Claphamsa (2278)
3 Danny: Telle (2279), mccollins (2295), Mrs. Schmidty (2313)
1 Schmidty: EagleFan (2280)

4 Nightfall: Danny (2277), Claphamsa (2278), EagleFan (2280), Mrs. Schmidty (2313)

(stepping out of game context for a moment) Don't let it get to you, it's just a game. I hope you don't take anything that I have posted to heart as everything I post is entirely game related and should never be taken personal.

(now back to the game) I suspect your post(s) was gamesmanship as I thought you played it brilliantly to get your desired end result and I tip my hat to your play (even though it has frustrated the hell out of me since no-one is listening to me).

a liltte faux carring?? how... weak! schmitdy is a pro.... he knows you beholden to wolf ass is.... well a wolf poo scooper!

I dunno - the way Schmidty is talking I'm starting to believe EagleFan a tad more. And believe you me, after the past two days there's no way I thought I'd say that.

If EagleFan really is a wolf then you should watch out because you two have been in lock step together for the past 3 days.

well you ARE a wolf!

has he voted for you? fang boy!

Admitting it IS the first step.

Now we just need to be careful that the wolves don't try to lead us to the brutal.

I wouldn't doubt that three of the four wolves would vote for the brutal for the next lynch.

My current dillema is that I am leaving for a family vacation tomorrow morning so I won't be around to see what happens (unless I can talk the wife into letting me bring the laptop ;) ) so I won't feel comfortable with many votes except for Schmidty. I doubt that he is the brutal as he really seemed to be trying to change thevote in a maner that wouldn't get him lynched (except that he had some bad luck on fake revealing and chose the person who actually had the role he was claiming).

Claph, you are WRONG about me. I'm not a wolf. Your stubbornness to chase after me with nothing but gut feelings does not make sense.

lol, mccollins gets clap so flustered he loses his ability to spell and thinks of loins?

Repeat after me...

Lynch Schmidty and then take the gamble on which wolf is the brutal.

Clap seems to want us to lose, maybe he's the cultist. I'll scan him tomorrow night to see but until them we should ignore him for our own good.

Yet to vote: GoldenEagle, Chief Rum, PackerFanatic, Schmidty

UNVOTE NIGHTFALL

I don't want anything to happen while I'm sleeping so taking off the vote for nightfall.

Not buying it. You seem more likely to be a wolf than mccollins to me. And I think Telle's logic is sound, and she is the only member of the COT I believe who is still around. So my vote's the same as yesterday's.

VOTE DANNY

Chief, I am the hunter and if we have any shot at winning this, you will change your vote.

I'm starting to second guess my Mccollins vote because I believe Mccollins is likely to be the brutal wolf and that vote is obviously not getting a lot of support because there is no reason for the wolves to lynch their brutal if a villager is getting all the votes.

This is what I have for the remaining players.

Good: Telle, Danny, Chief Rum
Bad: Mccollins, Mrs. Schmidty, Golden Eagle, Packerfanatic
One good/ One bad: Schmidty, Eaglefan

Mccollins is likely the brutal wolf. Who is the player here who has been under the radar the entire game and could very well be the cunning wolf? Golden Eagle. He is clearly a wolf and is pretty much guaranteed not to be the brutal wolf.

Goldeneagle was the person who lead the charge on Oliegirl when his buddy Mccollins was up for a lynch. He's made every single vote and post to keep himself under the radar, quietly suggesting players. Also, lets look at this early post from him about whom he suspects.


Not coincidentally, four villagers and the brutal wolf. If we lynch him, we can still win this game. We should feel pretty good about the brutal wolf, so if we take out Goldeneagle the other two wolves and Mccollins last, we win. Not a guarantee I know since I could have Chief and Mrs. Schmidty reversed, but it gives us a shot.

Unvote Mccollins
Unvote Nightfall
Vote Golden Eagle

And to show how my vote history is consistent with that of my role as a hunter, let's look at my votes.

Day 1. Lathum - Day one is mostly a crapshoot, but I believed he was telling the truth and the fake seer. Again, I avoided hopping on the DaddyTorgo bandwagon because it was clear he was going to end up with the most votes and had a vote for someone I believed not to be a wolf as I didn't want to draw myself as a night kill target

Day 2. Lathum - I felt even stronger that he was not a wolf, but the fake seer. It allowed me to keep off the bandwagon of Barkeep while not possible pissing off a wolf enough to kill me. Plus he didn't have nearly enough votes to be lynched, so I was at no risk of lynching him in case he actually was the real seer.

Day 3 and Day 4. Oliegirl - I thought she was a wolf, but both Eaglefan and Goldeneagle received more heat for pushing for her lynching. I felt I could vote someone I thought was a wolf while still not being a top the night kill target.

Day 5 - Packerfanatic- I thought Mccollins was a wolf and it looked like he was going to get killed. If it looked like he needed my vote I would have switched. I didn't want to switch and throw my vote in there when he was up by four votes and already going to get killed as it would have made me a likely night kill target. Unfortunately Alan and Render switched at the last minute and caused Pass to get lynched instead.

Day 6- Lonestargirl- Up until the last second I voted Mccollins because I knew he was a wolf after the hints he tried to drop that he was the hunter. I wasn't sure if Lonestargirl was a wolf or not, but as the hunter I had to save myself in that case. Unfortunately she ended up being a villager.

I stayed non committal the entire game because I was weary of being a lynch or night kill target. I'd say other than some of my votes turning out poorly I played well as the wolves have not killed me yet.

I understand the suspicions because a hunter and a UTR wolf probably play similarly, but looking at my history it is clear I am the hunter and not a wolf.

Oh, and despite me revealing 14 hours ago, no one has counter revealed yet. I bet the wolves are planning on which of their wolves they want to potentially out as they counter me.

Telle, don't you also find it odd that you have been revealed as being a mason and in the CoT the past couple days and the wolves keep you alive? You've been pushing for me which the wolves like.

I feel strongly because with the right vote today, we can win this. The odds may not be great, but I think the wolves finally slipped up and tipped their hand that Mccollins is the brutal wolf. We do need some luck, but by taking out GoldenEagle and then the other two wolves and finish with taking Mccollins out, we will win.

we got an early am vote count?

1 mccollins: Claphamsa (2278)
4 Danny: Telle (2279), mccollins (2295), Mrs. Schmidty (2313), Chief Rum (2330)
1 Schmidty: EagleFan (2280)
1 GoldenEagle: Danny (2331)

I guess I am talking to myself here so I might as well go back to my plan from the last two days:

unvote nightfall

unvote Schmidty

vote mccollins

Eaglefan, that is a mistake if you are the philosopher (though unlikely). Either A you are the philosopher, in which case you need to vote GoldenEagle or if you are the cultist (more likely) you don't care if Mccollins (brutal wolf) or I get lynched as either way you win.

Not sure I get the case for voting GE... Schmidty I get the case for, though no one is listening anyway. mccollins I have been begging for, again noone is listening. I didn't get the case against you but am starting to suspect and with Telle in the CoT I see why the swing against you.

You are either a wolf and are lying about being the hunter in order to draw out the real hunter (probably clap) or are telling the truth in an attempt to save your hide and us from certain defeat.

Since the collective village has been wrong about EVERY decision it has made I am leaning towards the latter of the two options. We've had a wolf with mccollins in the trap for two days but he keeps getting saved and the last save was a blatant attempt by Schmidty but the collective village in all their brilliance is ignoring that. This again makes him the best target as that was not the play of a brutal trying to draw himself out for vote but more of a common wolf trying to save one of their own.

The journey towards winning this game starts with one small victory and that can be had if we lynch Schmidty or mccollins today!!!

But Mccollins is the brutal wolf. If we lynch him, we lose. If you really are the philosopher you would not vote for him.

Also, yesterday you said you thought Clap was the cultist and now you say he could be the real hunter? Hmm, perhaps Clap is a wolf too? I thought he was good, but he is also pushing for Mccollins to be lynched today with myself as his second target. Either way, wolves win.

Personally I don't buy anyone pushing for either Mccollins or I. A wolf would know that with either one of being killed, the wolves win. Someone who is good like Telle is pushing for one of us. While she has the wrong person, she is playing a villager play by caring which one of us gets lynched. A wolf would not care.

Eaglefan's post about Clap worries me. I'm not sure if that was him slipping up his story or potentially slipping up and outing Clap.

If Clap is bad, my theory on the four wolves could be wrong and perhaps Clap is the wolf and not GoldenEagle. I'm still confused on the wolves.

Telle, I really want to get this right, I'm not sure if you will come around and help give the village another chance, but who would be the most likely wolf to go along with Mccollins do you think?

danny, all the logic in the world will not save you from being awolf.. so shuuuuush!

KTHXBAI

clap, why are you so certain that mccollins is a wolf? What do we have on him?

I will be back about an hour before deadline. We are about to get shut out unless some votes change :(

As of post 2345:

6 Danny: Telle (2279), mccollins (2295), Mrs. Schmidty (2313), Chief Rum (2330), Schmidty (2342), GoldenEagle (2343)
2 mccollins: Claphamsa (2278), EagleFan (2336)
1 GoldenEagle: Danny (2331)

If lynching villagers is wrong, then I don't want to be right :devil:

I'm all for a change to vote danny if that's what everyone wants.

Schmidty's reveal is fake. I have my voting record to stand alone as the only one here not to lynch one of our own.

I am fine with either mccollins, Danny or PF. Hell, schmidty is looking like a good option at this point with his fake reveal.

3 HOURS away from my desk! AAGHH! That never happens.
Luckily, I'm caught up. I think the obvious vote is for the vote-switching fake-revealing wolf.

Lol, that last reply was an attempted post from my nklackneery yesterday. It didbly post then buy did when I hit continue today.

I hate looking at this on the blackberry so I am probably done until after the vote as I am on the road.

umm....what? :lol:

What part of "It didbly post then buy did" can't you understand?!?!

Oy, 15 minutes until we lose :(

Danny, well still have to wait 5 days to finish rounding up your pack of wolves!

Geez...

such shennanigans!

That doesn't look good ...

I KNEW something was fishy about CR in the beginning. At least we can say they didn't shut us out *sigh*

We stopped the shut-out! Yay!!!

danny, ur fake revela was as bad as mine :P

Except the fact that I wanted to get votes :)

Nice job, wolves. I really admired the way you were able to navigate through the game in what I thought was a challenging ruleset.

somoene explain the draft!

Telle, for what it's worth, I tried to send in an order change at deadline to keep you alive and kill Schmidty for forgetting Mrs. Schmidty's birthday instead ;);)

Oh, and EagleFan was the cultist - not GoldenEagle.

1. PackerFanatic
2. oliegirl - lynched day 4, vanilla villager
3. Lathum - killed night 3, seer
4. Mrs. Schmidty
5. LoneStarGirl - lynched day 6, vanilla villager
6. Passacaglia - lynched day 5, vanilla villager
7. mccollins
8. claphamsa - killed day 7, hunter
9. DaddyTorgo - killed night 2, bodyguard
10. Alan T - killed night 5, Duke
11. Chief Rum
12. Danny - lynched day 7, brutal wolf
13. Barkeep49 - lynched day 2, spy
14. SnDvls - killed night 4, seer
15. saldana - lynched day 3, vanilla villager
16. Schmidty
17. KWhit - killed night 1, vanilla villager
18. RendeR - killed night 6, vanilla villager
19. EagleFan
20. Telle - killed night 7, mason
21. GoldenEagle

I think EagleFan was the cultist.

Oh and Clap, you are my little buddy, so I had to take you with me :)

Oh that's ok. I feel honored to be wolf killed :)

Yeah, I didn't know the game was going to end instantly. I wanted Mrs. Schmidty to put on the last vote on Schmidty for forgetting her birthday, but then Mccollins sent in a last second change for me to kill him for her instead. Either way, bad Schmidty!

Who was the real seer?

(3:47:35 PM) hoopsguy1154: you around?
(3:47:39 PM) AE FOFC: yeah
(3:47:43 PM) hoopsguy1154: want to hammer out draft order now?
(3:48:01 PM) AE FOFC: I suppose we can.
(3:48:10 PM) AE FOFC: I was doing a little 'homework' on the newer players
(3:48:15 PM) AE FOFC: but it's not a big deal
(3:49:28 PM) hoopsguy1154: if you need some time we can do it later
(3:49:34 PM) AE FOFC: I'm good.
(3:49:41 PM) hoopsguy1154: i just don't know exactly what time my kid goes down at night, and i know you didn't want to run too long tonight
(3:49:45 PM) AE FOFC: Near the end players aren't that huge of a deal
(3:49:57 PM) hoopsguy1154: probably not - ok, i'll get it started with chief rum as my initial wolf
(3:50:29 PM) AE FOFC: alright.
(3:50:41 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'm sure he is fired up about being the #1 draft pick
(3:50:47 PM) hoopsguy1154: and breaking the bank with his signing bonus
(3:50:51 PM) AE FOFC: true
(3:51:10 PM) AE FOFC: Ironically, that's exactly who I thought you'd take.
(3:51:20 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'm looking to assign roles at the end, when i see how the teams shake out
(3:51:22 PM) AE FOFC: I'll go Alan T and Barkeep.
(3:51:28 PM) hoopsguy1154: why did you think he would be #1, btw?
(3:51:39 PM) AE FOFC: premonition or something.
(3:51:42 PM) AE FOFC: it's who I'd take.
(3:52:13 PM) hoopsguy1154: yeah, was hoping he would be less likely to be scanned than the guys you took. he seems to get a good amount of latitude based on his schedule
(3:53:26 PM) hoopsguy1154: time for me to throw out a trend-breaker - #4 pick is Danny
(3:53:37 PM) AE FOFC: interesting
(3:53:44 PM) AE FOFC: that's someone I had no clue on
(3:53:49 PM) AE FOFC: I needed homework on him.
(3:53:49 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'm hoping that he isn't an early scan for being new player, will be interesting to how people think i will think
(3:54:14 PM) hoopsguy1154: but i thought he played very solid first game, looks like he is willing to put in the time, so i'll take a risk here in efforts to put together a team without clear trends
(3:54:30 PM) AE FOFC: I get four if I'm not mistaken.
(3:54:35 PM) hoopsguy1154: you are correct, sir
(3:54:41 PM) hoopsguy1154: (in best ed mcmahon voice)
(3:54:44 PM) AE FOFC: I'll go right off my big board
(3:54:55 PM) AE FOFC: and take what I consider the four best players available
(3:54:57 PM) AE FOFC: Lathum
(3:55:01 PM) AE FOFC: Passacaglia
(3:55:04 PM) AE FOFC: Saldana
(3:55:09 PM) AE FOFC: Render
(3:55:31 PM) hoopsguy1154: i think you've got names out there that people will think i took
(3:55:51 PM) hoopsguy1154: i might have taken lathum here if he fell, with the idea that "no one would pick lathum as a wolf, he would have to be scanned!"
(3:55:54 PM) AE FOFC: oh clearly
(3:56:08 PM) AE FOFC: I thought you'd take one of those four for sure
(3:56:54 PM) hoopsguy1154: ok, i'll continue to let you get your top picks. next selection is mccollins
(3:57:06 PM) AE FOFC: another interesting choice
(3:57:11 PM) AE FOFC: another I had no read on
(3:57:18 PM) AE FOFC: I feel at a bit of a disadvantage
(3:57:25 PM) hoopsguy1154: yeah, was thinking i might have been able to get him after your 8 picks
(3:57:43 PM) hoopsguy1154: but i decided to just grab him here, rather than take a chance that he was one of your late picks in this batch of eight
(3:57:50 PM) AE FOFC: he wasn't.
(3:57:52 PM) hoopsguy1154: another guy that potentially will be tough to root out
(3:58:23 PM) hoopsguy1154: he posts a lot, but doesn't have that many games under his belt. and has given me fits when i've been a wolf. so i want to see how he plays as a wolf
(3:58:29 PM) AE FOFC: ah
(3:58:38 PM) AE FOFC: next 8:
(3:58:44 PM) AE FOFC: LoneStarGirl
(3:58:46 PM) AE FOFC: Schmidty
(3:58:49 PM) AE FOFC: DaddyTorgo
(3:58:52 PM) AE FOFC: Kwhit
(3:58:55 PM) AE FOFC: Sndvls
(3:58:59 PM) AE FOFC: oliegirl
(3:59:06 PM) AE FOFC: GoldenEagle
(3:59:11 PM) AE FOFC: claphamsa
(3:59:45 PM) hoopsguy1154: a couple of people there that i would have been happy to grab with this pick
(4:00:09 PM) hoopsguy1154: ok, another new player and 1st time wolf to be - mrs schmidty
(4:00:28 PM) AE FOFC: interesting
(4:00:44 PM) AE FOFC: I'll take telle and packerfanatic
(4:00:53 PM) hoopsguy1154: that leaves me eaglefan, and we are wrapped
(4:01:33 PM) hoopsguy1154: ok, my team is super-quiet - so lets nail down roles
(4:01:38 PM) AE FOFC: sure
(4:03:31 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'll start with my cunning wolf - lets go with chief rum. duh - highest profile player gets the role that protects against the scan
(4:03:40 PM) AE FOFC: word
(4:03:46 PM) AE FOFC: Alan T is the duke
(4:04:33 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'll give eaglefan the cultist role
(4:04:57 PM) AE FOFC: BK is the spy
(4:05:15 PM) hoopsguy1154: sorceror = mrs s
(4:05:27 PM) AE FOFC: Lathum is the seer
(4:05:51 PM) hoopsguy1154: should have given him fake seer - would be second time in 2-3 games
(4:05:57 PM) AE FOFC: ha
(4:06:29 PM) hoopsguy1154: brutal = danny
(4:06:31 PM) AE FOFC: 2 masons will be render and telle
(4:06:37 PM) hoopsguy1154: heh
(4:06:43 PM) AE FOFC: easy enough
(4:06:48 PM) AE FOFC: IIRC
(4:07:09 PM) hoopsguy1154: that leaves you with philosopher, hunter, bodyguard, and fake seer?
(4:07:20 PM) AE FOFC: yep
(4:07:26 PM) AE FOFC: clap is the hunter
(4:08:05 PM) AE FOFC: sndvls fake seer
(4:08:26 PM) AE FOFC: schmidty philosopher
(4:09:14 PM) AE FOFC: bodyguard...to DT
(4:09:19 PM) AE FOFC: that was the hardest
(4:09:24 PM) AE FOFC: last role and 8 choices
(4:09:41 PM) hoopsguy1154: ok, i'll forward this chat over to cronin

I just want to remind people that per the rules you are not allowed to be upset if you were picked lower than you thought your play justified. :D

I also want to present EagleFan with the Tom Brady Award, for being the last player selected, and playing one of the great games in Werewolf history! I also thought Schmidty, Passacaglia, and of course all the wolves played terrific games.

:P

I can comment on my picks:

#1 Chief Rum - I wanted a guy who has a few games under his belt who doesn't attract too much attention. #1 criteria here was to stay alive for a few days. I expected I would make this pick my cunning wolf, but didn't really have much in way of pre-conceived notions about other roles

#4 Danny - I wanted a trend-breaker here. I knew there would be speculation about who I would draft and I wanted to go off the map. Plus I had liked what I had seen from Danny in his previous game as a villager, so I figured I would make him a wolf.

#9(?) Mccollins - He has given me some trouble as a villager when I'm a wolf, so I figured that I would take this opportunity to see how he plays as a wolf. Again, someone who I think isn't likely to die too early and isn't easily going to be fingered as a "hoopsguy" pick.

#19 Mrs Schmidty - played a great first game, so let's see how the whole wolf thing works out. This is the 4th person that I picked that I've never played with as a wolf, and I believe the 3rd person I'm making a 1st time wolf. If people were looking for trends, those would have been the winners.

#22 EagleFan - I've played with him a couple of times before, so I cast him as the cultist. I wanted to follow along with the conversation from the people that I've never played with more than I wanted to see EF as a wolf for the 3rd time. But I wish I could have been on the listening end to his thoughts via PM this game - he really had the wolves off-balance all the way to the end.

I loved being a wolf, even more so because the people I was allied with made it a pleasure. They all were wonderful!

Clap, you did a good job too, though so far you think I am wolf every game :)

Wow. AE Drafted and assigned terrible. Hoops schooled him in that draft.

List of all the moves players made through day 6

Day/Night 1
Alan T (duke) - force no lynch

Schmidty (philosopher) - scans claphamsa

Lathum (seer) - scans Telle

SnDvls (fake seer) - scans Barkeep49 (LoneStarGirl contingency)

DaddyTorgo (bodyguard) - guards Alan T

Barkeep49 (spy) - spies on Lathum (DT contingency)

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans Barkeep49 (Passacaglia contingency)

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills KWhit


10 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605), claphamsa (946), SnDvls (659), Mrs. Schmidty (676), saldana (691), oliegirl (707), GoldenEagle (725)
7 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Telle (650), Passacaglia (745)
1 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362)
1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394)
1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594)
1 - Alan T - Alan T (778)

Day/Night 2


Schmidty (philosopher) -

Lathum (seer) - scans Passacaglia

SnDvls (fake seer) - LoneStarGirl (Telle contingency)

DaddyTorgo (bodyguard) - Guard Alan T

Barkeep49 (spy) -

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans Passacaglia (EagleFan contingency)

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills DaddyTorgo

7 - Barkeep49 - Lathum (1052), PackerFanatic (1068), oliegirl (1072), mccollins (1079), Telle (1080), Mrs. Schmidty (1118), Passacaglia (1215)
4 - Chief Rum - LoneStarGirl (939), RendeR (1038), saldana (1175), GoldenEagle (1210)
3 - EagleFan - Chief Rum (1000), SnDvls (1065), claphamsa (1084)
3 - Lathum - Danny (1015), Barkeep49 (1040), DaddyTorgo (1089)
1 - oliegirl - EagleFan (943)
1 - saldana - Alan T (1044)

no vote: Schmidty


Day/Night 3

Schmidty (philosopher) - scans Lathum

Lathum (seer) - scan Render

SnDvls (fake seer) - Lathum (Telle contingency)

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans SnDvls (saldana contingency)

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills Lathum

11 - saldana - claphamsa (1291), Mrs. Schmidty (1358), mccollins (1408), PackerFanatic (1417), Telle (1485), SnDvls (1506), RendeR (1526), oliegirl (1586), Passacaglia (1610), Schmidty (1615), Alan T (1621)
3 - Telle - GoldenEagle (1273), Chief Rum (1383), saldana (1591)
2 - Passacaglia - LoneStarGirl (1389), Lathum (1424)
2 - oliegirl - Danny (1282), EagleFan (1311)



Day/Night 4

Schmidty (philosopher) - scans Passacaglia

SnDvls (fake seer) - scans Passacaglia

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans PackerFanatic

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills SnDvls

6 Oliegirl: GoldenEagle (1643), Danny (1646), Render (1723), Telle (1762), PackerFanatic (1783), mccollins (1821)
6 McCollins: Claphamsa (1713), Schmidty (1756), Passacaglia (1763), oliegirl (1788), EagleFan (1825), Alan T (1831)
4 Passacaglia: LoneStarGirl (1697), Mrs. Schmidty (1752), Chief Rum (1757), SnDvls (1794)


Day/Night 5

Schmidty (philosopher) - scans EagleFan

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans LoneStarGirl

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills Alan T

6 Passacaglia: PackerFanatic (1865), Lonestargirl (1923), Mrs. Schmidty (1936), mccollins (2020), Alan T (2062), RendeR (2066)
5 mccolins: EagleFan (1855), Schmidty (1921), GoldenEagle (2012), Claphamsa (2016), Passacaglia (2028)
1 PackerFanatic: Danny (1931)
1 EagleFan: Chief Rum (1946)
1 Danny: Telle (1960)

Day/Night 6

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans EagleFan

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills RendeR

5 - LoneStarGirl - Schmidty (2189), PackerFanatic (2206), Mrs. Schmidty (2210), mccollins (2250), Danny (2258)
4 - Danny - Telle (2118), Chief Rum (2180), RendeR (2199), GoldenEagle (2247)
3 - mccollins - claphamsa (2098), EagleFan (2113), LoneStarGirl (2151)

and ive been right every game too ;)

I agree that we took different approaches to the draft.

Given his picks, what assignments do you think would have been optimal?

Notes on the roles:

The Duke could, once per game, make the result of the vote no-lynch. This would not work if he would have been the leading vote-getter.

The Bodyguard could not protect himself. He could, however, protect any other player as often as he wanted with no restrictions.

The fake Seer (SnDvls) would get a result of villager every time.

The cultist did not know which wolf was the cunning or brutal, etc.

All other roles were as advertised.

:(

God, I am SO glad that game is over!!! I was getting SO irritated watch the villagers miss vote night after night after night...if only you guys had listened to me :D

Whoever came up with the idea that the GMs would have made Lathum the last pick really gave them too much credit :) I'm shocked Lathum was the real seer though!

FTR, I think Poli drafted a great team. I just think we turned into the New York Mets.

So Alan was basically a vanilla villager after the first day and DaddyTorgo had no way to protect himself after he revealed...

I need to stand up for Poli. I thought he drafted just fine. I think Lathum was a fine choice for seer - he is hardly ever night killed, and his instincts are usually pretty good. I told Poli I think I would have made him one of the masons, since I think that role in this ruleset rewards creative play (not that Render and Telle aren't creative, and they actually did quite well with the roles - their "reveal" had the potential to turn the game around).

And just because things broke right for hoops doesn't mean he made all the right moves. I thought Chief Rum was the obvious #1, but I think only Lathum ever mentioned this possibility, and then just once. So I would have made Rum the brutal, and given either Danny or mccollins the cunning. Had Rum been caught early, this would have been almost an impossible game for the wolves to win.

I like to make the roles so it makes revealing a harder decision. It didn't really work, as Alan, Lathum, and DT all basically revealed on D1.

One other note: D1 Lathum had sent in an order to scan Mrs. Schmidty, which he changed to Telle close to deadline. Had he not faltered on that, the game could have broken completely differently.

Being out of the game for most of a year, I drafted by known commodities. I put any bitter feelings aside and tried to go with experience of playing. I tried to give the more experienced players the better roles, thinking they'd make the best use of them. I had no idea that Lathum would 'always' receive such scrutiny.

I was actually quite thrilled with the quality of players I received.

There were a number of times where someone would ping a wolf and I'd cheer...only to see the vote change or go to the wayside. Bummer.

Things I may have done differently, and not to hurt anyone's feelings:

1. No matter what I still would have drafted the way I did.
2. I probably don't make Lathum the seer knowing now how much of a 'target' he is.
3. I wouldn't make DT the bodyguard had I knew he'd spout off (again, not trying to be mean, it's just I thought you'd lay low with the role).
4. I would have assigned someone else the philosopher role. I kinda remember now that Schmidty has a weird schedule, it probably could have been better used elsewhere.

Sorry gang.

Poli: I still think you did just fine. I really feel like the team you assembled had the talent to win, and didn't.

I didn't understand the role of Masons outside of the 'yeah! we're tied together, we know we're good guys' stuff. I figured, hey why not make the married couple that.

Thanks, much appreciated.

I think you did fine too. It may not have worked out, but other than making sure I was on the village side (jk), I'm not sure what you could have done better with your draft

Tiebreakers too. We had to work around that a bit in the LoneStarGirl lynching.

WOW

Chief Rum on day two was also a close call. I think the best thing we did as wolves was to play the entire game calm and confident. We never linked from one to another and gave the village plenty of opportunities to over think things.

Poli, I think you drafted very well too...the villagers just got a lot of bad breaks. And the wolves capitalized on every one of those breaks.

Wow indeed, this would have changed the entire landscape of the game. Talk about alternate realities!