Yes. It's been my experience that once he posts anything after he says the 'pms are going out' line, the bidding pm's are done.

And...jail Ardent. Please.

I absolutely, totally, positively do not trust him with as much money as he'll have under his belt if he wins that many lawsuits again.

Is anyone in jail?

Warlord, don't hate.

Do you take pro bono work? :D

Besides, there's no doubt that the Ironhead is going to jail me. None.

if neon was a good guy, you realize that puts you on the block ardent, so why would you share that with us?

And please tell me we have someone in jail.

Oops - going to delete a post intended for the Titan Quest dyansty page.

I'm not really caught up, so someone please tell me why Peregrinus being loyal casts doubt on Ardentus? What else do these results tell us?

I'm hoping since the section was missing entirely, that he just forgot to put it in.

Never mind - too late as it has already been quoted and incorporated into other stuff. My apologies for clogging up the game with worthless posts :o:eek:

Unless he's invis, I don't even see cronin on the boards anymore.

Totally won Faustus Felix's service for today.

Because I haven't withheld anything or lied in this game. I won't start now.

The following Senators are in jail:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Dodgeus Erchickus

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus
Kayus Whitus


The following Senators are known as extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus
Dodgeus Erchickus
Passus Caglius
Pathus Twelveus


The following Senators are known as moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus
Grammus Atticus
Ironus Headus
Narcizus Lispus

The following remaining Senators are of normal wealth:


Autumnus Leavus
Chiefus Rumus
Chubbus Chubbus
Daddus Torgous
Mustangus Sallus
Tyrus Ithus

Although we're missing services and 'ranks' too, so hopefully he's not done.

And holy SHIT did I plummet in wealth.

Screw it.

Coffeus Yakus Sues Every Freakin' Body

Yeah, thanks for the loot, Warlord.

Get in line.

Woohoo, I beat someone in court!

Tyrith sues DC because he's a money grubbing jerk

The following people are offering their services in the Forum today:

Gallus Clarus, ex-legionnaire
Titus Ludius, ex-legionnaire
Durus Pimpus, dealer in sexual slaves
Animus Sentus, person rumored to be affiliated with the Priesthood
Furius Lucius, former warlord of Gaul, enslaved and now freed
Lexus Postus, owner of many horses
Blakus Fortunatus, owner of many horses


and of course,


Ardentus Enthusiastus
Narcizus Lispus

Grammaticus Atticus sues Mustangus Sallleus

Plagerism is the charge

Actually I am not right now. I will give you the same chance/test we gave Dodgerchick. Given your newfound wealth you are in a great position to help the village if you are loyal. If you place bids on the sword kill and do not use it against the village we know you are good.

Well, I'm not sure what progress we've made. I'll be interested in hearing service reports from everybody. I bid, and lost, for Ardentus's services yesterday.

And please, vote for who you would like arrested.

I bid on the sword killer as the backup to the backup and I did not get him.

I know that is a big surprise.

Done, as in, I'll do it right now.

Done.

I bid on the services of Balbus Senna and did not win.

I've now received a PM back from cronin. He has my bid.

I'm retiring to chambers, but I thought I'd add this as well before I did:

The reason I sued was not for wealth, it was in hope of gaining info on someone, anyone. I figured the whole "using logic and whatever" the other word was might help me in determining if someone was loyal to the Republic or not.

Anyhow, I now fear for Narcizco. The 2nd best lawyer hasn't had a good track record.

Actually, given my wealth status, I fear for me now.

Okay, two days ago, my first day of enchanced wealth, I bud on and received the services of Ardent. Yesterday I ordered him to investigate KWhit which I just got back. KWhit is not guilty of any crime.

Well I'm saddened but not surprised to see Peregrine still put me in jail.

Have to tell you I'm a little nervous that Narcizo has so much power, being the second best lawyer and tribune of the plebs. Not to mention tribune of the plebs seems to be a temporary position as of late, so maybe I don't have anything to fear from that power after all.

Anyhow obligatory Toss DC over the cliff because I sure don't want it to be me.

Anxiety - Question for you regarding lawyer use. Would you have had the ability to do both a scan and a prosecution yesterday? Could you have given Ardent's services to the Senate to prosecute our jailed members yesterday AND do a scan?

No, it was either or

I'd like to hear how DC feels, now that she got her wish.

That contradicts what Coffee Warlord told us at the beginning of the game.

Post #560

Coffee used the lawyer for defense on Day 2 and also claims to have used him to scan KWhit.

CW, can you weigh in here?

I didn't get my bid on Ardent, but I guess we already knew that.

Dola, never mind, I'm stupid. I read Anxiety's post as that he got Ardent today and not two days ago.

Anyway, I didn't get my bid on Ardent.

My biggest mistake this game was not keeping a notesheet. I should have known in a game this size. :(

In case anyone wonders why I chose KWhit -

1). Has a lot of money, and I wanted to make sure he was on our side because of it

2). Gained his money over time like no one else. Wanted to make sure we didn;t allow a bad guy to gain a bunhc of wealth right in front of us without challenging it.

3). Purloined Letter.

4). There was the whole, I send my horses but KWhit claimed he didn;t get them. Now we have confirmed that something happened.

This would be interesting to know more about, since both Coffee and KWhit's trustworthiness are largely based on this exchange.

Nice job. I'd like to hear more about this.

Nope, I just double checked. I can either use the lawyer for myself, in which I can have him do an investigation, or I can assign him to the Senate for investigations there. Its an either/or, not both

I've got no issue with using the scan on KWhit, by the way -- IIRC that was right after the arrest miscommunication with Barkeep, so either of them would have been logical.

I wonder if Ardent could be hired to scan himself?

Definitley not condeming CW yet, but this really makes me wonder. Quite frankly I expected to be killed last night. I have twice prevented the wolves from getting an extra day kill, I was being elected as Consul and I at least felt like I had some decent leads on people.

Instead the wolves found it more important to remove the Tribune of the Plebs, which if they get one of their own members there we will not be able to arrest them and would have to rely on a sword kill. Makes me wonder if they left me alive because my assumptions so far have been way off base.

I asked, because he was my first target, and was told he could not.

That's funny, I was involved in a whole lotta lawsuits and only won 1! I must have some serious bad luck.

Dodgerchick - You have claimed to hire Ardent several times. Can you backup what Anxiety is saying regarding scanning someone being unavailable when using a lawyer for defense/prosecution?

Um.... Wow!

Clearly I'm now in a position of immense power. Obviously this makes me very happy. However it also makes me a teensy weensy bit scared. For the good of the village I would suggest that I have to be scanned and protected today. It seems to me that the wolves have a plan to keep killing the tribune until they get one of their own in.

Secondly, I hope you got my message Chief. I didn't get a reply so I'm not sure but with st cronin away I suspect that the message got to you too late for you to read it yesterday. I want to point out that I sent that message around the time I made my statement of who I bid on. Although I posted to state my arrest order I was not around to fully read what was being said. If I had I would not have followed the plan outlined to you. I'll state now that I did not get the service I bid on.

Those are two things I needed to post now. I'm going to review the happenings in more detail now.

Next, I apologise about Neon. (assuming Ardent isn't playing games with us - I can't verify that Neon was good by the way. It seems that you have to have been a lawyer for one day to get that info) My instinct told me he was our best shot at getting a wolf and we needed to get a trustworthy lawyer. Looks like I played right into the hands of the wolves. I feel very bad about it, not necessarily to Neon, who helped his cause almost as little as BS or ITC in my opinion, but bad for the villagers. I thought I was a good, if inexperienced, werewolf player until this game but this has really been a cold shower for those ideas.

Holy dola!

I've tried to work out who bid on what and how it should work out and I'm just completely confused. Ardent shooting up the wealth chart like that has completely thrown my reckoning out. It's annoying that I'm probably not going to get all the information until after I go to bed.

I'm glad it's someone else's job to pick arrests today I can tell you that for nothing.

I've been reading through and noticed this. Might as well field it now while - no Neon didn't miss a vote. However he did vote to re-elect Alan, a move that is illegal. I mentioned it to no avail, he only changed the vote when Alan pointed it out to him.

No biggy (I thought that we only had one consul vote for example) but just something I thought was slightly iffy when we had very little to work with.

:o

Care to expand on that? To me it seemed the only arrest to make, almost everyone wanted it, herself included.

All right, lots of interesting stuff today. I feel bad about Neon, but there's not much we can do about that now.

I am going to try to go back to my plan and see if I can nail down again who ended up bidding for what. Then we'll see where we stand.

I'm shocked at the wolves' choice for poisoning. Perhaps they were aiming for someone they felt wouldn't be protected. You could reasonably guess that I, ardent or Narcizo would be protected, and the top three wealth people were all at some point under suspicion/being looked at in the past day cycle. So maybe it's not too much of a surprise. But I still am abit.

Frankly, I thought I made my last post in this game earlier today.

Narcizo, I did receive your message. So the horses work I guess, Still not sure if it does much good. Even given you would not have done what you did had you been around to read further, I will take it into consideration and see if it had any effect on things.

I do have the ability to send a response. My PM suggests you would get my message at the deadline tonight (Monday). So the horse thing (from bidding to sending a message to receiving a reply) really does take three days. Wow, that's a long time in WW.

BTW, very interested to hear CW's response to what Ironhead discovered.

So here we go

The following are the wealthiest men in Rome:

Ardentus Enthusiastus - Don't know
Kayus Whitus - Swordsman #2224

The following Senators are known as extremely wealthy:

Abeus Anxietus - Pimp Dude #2059
Dodgeus Erchickus - Ardent #2205
Passus Caglius - Vitus Avidus #2069
Pathus Twelveus - Ardent #2275 - Failed #2340

The following Senators are known as moderately wealthy:

Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus - Ardent #2192
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - Swordsman #2071. Failed #2294
Grammus Atticus - Swordsman #2206. Failed #2328
Ironus Headus - Senna #2269 Failed #2331
Narcizus Lispus - Maximus Maximus #2159. Failed #2353

The following remaining Senators are of normal wealth:

Autumnus Leavus - Failed Ardent #2327
Chiefus Rumus - Pimp bloke #2059
Chubbus Chubbus - couldn't hire
Daddus Torgous - Don't know
Mustangus Sallus - Don't know
Tyrus Ithus - Fastus Felix #2314


Coffee Warlord - Bid on Swordsman #2071. Failed #2294
Chief Rum - Pimp Dude #2059
Anxiety - Pimp Dude #2088/#2200
Narcizo - Maximus² # 2159. Failed #2353
Barkeep - Ardent #2192
DC - Ardent (I think) #2205
Gramm - Swordsman #2206. Failed #2328
KWhit - Swordsman #2224
Path - Ardent #2275. Failed #2340

Today
Tyrith - Fastus Felix #2314
Autumn - Failed on Ardent #2327
Ironhead - Failed on Senna #2331

Nice bit of cut and pasting there Narc. :o

Chief you're not going to be around much today correct?

So what do we have. Presuming no one is lying.

Ardent must have philosopher. Otherwise Senna would have fallen to Ironhead.
KWhit must have the swordsman. Ardent must have the philosopher so no-one can outbid KWhit.
Anxiety must have the pimp. Same story here. Ardent must have taken the philosopher.
DC must have Ardent. Same again. It's her or Ardent.
Pass must have the bodyguard.

Which means that it's pretty clear that I've been lying. I didn't take the bodyguard. I was trying to set up the wolfs by bidding for another service. At the time I thought that DC wasn't playing ball so there was a danger of the service dropping. I thought that if I put in a bid and no-one claimed him then we'd catch someone out. This is the plan I outlined to Chief Rum. A plan I concocted yesterday afternoon (my time). I trusted Chief because he came up with the plan which I think is a good one. I figured it was worth the risk. It might give a wolf Chief some ammo to use on me but it might also help us catch a wolf.

Which means there's a very good chance that we've only got one bodyguard today. :mad: Unless DT or Mustang bid on him.

I give up. I suck at this.

Came up with the plan for everyone to announce their bids, that is.

Tell me you have the bodyguard, DT or Mustang.

Correct. I am here now. I will probably post once or twice int he morning, with votes, etc. But I will be gone after that until tomorrow late evening (again; i.e. like now).

Didn't realize you were doing this, too. I am almost done with mine, FWIW.

Keep in mind the bids are done off of yesterday's wealth list, not the new one today. I think most if what you have there is still true, but there are some changes, and some different conclusions.

BTW, never officially said. I did not win the sex slaves today.

ORIGINAL PLAN

Dodgeus Erchickus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer
Kayus Whitus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer
Abeus Anxietus-- Bid for DURUS PIMPUS, sex slave dealer

Ironus Headus-- Bid for MAXIMUS MAXIMUS, legionnaire/BG
Passus Caglius-- Bid for VITUS AVIDUS, legionnaire/BG

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer
Pathus Twelvus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer

Narcizo and I are in the next wealth group, so we should submit backup bids as well. I will bid for the sex slave dealer, if Narcizo will bid for one of the legionnaires/BGs.

I would welcome backup bid commitments from Autumn, Barkeep and Peregrine...

***

Actual reported bids:

Dodgerchick-- ardent lawyer (#2165 & #2205)
Kwhit-- sword killer (#2224)
Anxiety-- sex slaves (#2088)

Ironhead-- balbus senna philosopher (#2269)--changed from maximus maximus bodyguard (#2194)
Passacaglia-- vitus avidus bodyguard (#2069)

Coffee Warlord-- sword killer (#2065 & #2071)
path12-- ardent lawyer (#2276)

Narcizo-- maximus maximus bodyguard (#2159)
Chief Rum-- sex slaves (#2059)
Autumn-- unclear who he bid on before deadline (#2279)
Barkeep-- suggested he would bid on someone; actual bid not listed
Peregrine-- sex slaves (#2164)

Grammaticus-- swor4ds killer (#2206)

***

Who has said they have or have not received what they bid for. I have bolded whom we haven't heard yet what they got, if anything:

Dodgerchick-- ardent lawyer (#2165 # 2205)
Kwhit-- sword killer (#2224)
Anxiety-- sex slaves (#2088)[/b]

Ironhead-- balbus senna philosopher (#2269)--changed from maximus maximus bodyguard (#2194)-- DID NOT GET BALBUS SENNA
Passacaglia-- vitus avidus bodyguard (#2069)

Coffee Warlord-- sword killer (#2065 & #2071)-- DID NOT GET SWORD KILLER (#2294)
path12-- ardent lawyer (#2276)-- DID NOT GET ARDENT (#2340)

Narcizo-- sword killer (private bid)--changed from maximus maximus bodyguard (#2159)-- DID NOT GET SWORD KILLER (#2353 &2364)
Chief Rum-- sex slaves (#2059)-- DID NOT GET SEX SLAVES (#
Autumn-- unclear who he bid on before deadline (#2279)-- DID NOT GET ARDENT (#2327)
Barkeep-- suggested he would bid on someone; actual bid not listed
Peregrine-- sex slaves (#2164)-- KILLED BY POISON

Grammaticus-- sword killer (#2206)-- DID NOT GET SWORD KILLER (#2328)

Note: Faustus Felix apparently fell to Tyrith.

Analysis coming shortly.

Oops, Dodgerchick/Kwhit/Anxiety should be bolded as not having said if they received their services or not.

If we believe Ironhead (I do), there is a definite Tarq in the following group:

Dodgerchick
KWhit
Anxiety

Passacaglia
Coffee Warlord
path12

Ironhead bid on Balbus Senna and did not get him. Only these six had the possible ability to outbid him for Senna. Which means the Tarqs may have control of a conversion skill tonight.

CW and path have said they did not get their bids. We have not heard from the other four (about their bids anyway). We had bids for the sword killer, sex slaves and ardent not get past this group, judging from bids from the next tier not coming through, so for sure, those three are also in this group. If the top three did as they said they would, they will be the three with those services.

Keep in mind nothing here says there isn't more than one Tarq in this group either. But for sure, there is one.

BTW, the odds are slim my Day One sword killer patron and the Balbus Senna usurper are one and the same, but path12 is the only one of the above who appeared on both lists. I haven't yet decided how far to think that out yet.

I'm out for the night. I will submit votes and a new plan in the morning. I will incorporate ardent's already submitted bid.

I put a bid on one of the legionaires. As far as I could tell, I wasn't rich enough to be included in CR's plan. I did not win.

Sorry. Didn't realise that. I'm going to redo this in the same format then, just because I think it's a bit clearer. And I want the glory of having my list quoted and altered.

The wealthiest men in Rome are:
Abeus Anxietus - Bid Pimp Bloke #2088/#2200 -
Dodgeus Erchickus - Bid Ardent #2205
Kayus Whitus - Bid Swordsman #2224

The following Senators are known to be extremely wealthy:
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - Bid Swordsman #2071. Failed #2294.
Ironus Headus - Bid Senna #2269. Failed #2331
Passus Caglius - Bid Vitus Avidus #2069
Pathus Twelvus - Bid Ardent #2275. Failed #2340

The following Senators are of moderate wealth:
Autumnus Leavus - Failed on Ardent #2327
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus - Vote Ardent #2192.
Chiefus Rumus - Bid Pimp #2059 Failed #2370
Narcizus Lispus - [Bid Swordsman]Failed #2353.

The following (remaining) Senators are of ordinary wealth for the Senatorial class:
Ardentus Enthusiastus - ?
Chubbus Chubbus - couldn't bid
Daddyus Torgous - ?
Grammus Atticus - Bid Swordsman #2206. Failed #2328
Mustangus Sallus - ?
Tyrus Ithus - Fastus Felix #2314

I'm keeping completely out of the conjecture side until we have more data but CR's right. it appears that someone in the top seven is lying. And lying about the philosopher. Which, if I've read correctly and I'm not banking on it, means that there's a good chance of there being a conversion today.

Narc, what I did is about 2-3 posts above this.

Okay, almost in bed.

True enough, ardent. I didn't include senators in the lowest wealth tier. Didn't seem to be any point. Obviously, you are most definitely in the plan today.

Which bodyguard did you bid for?

lol, true nuff. Mine's a mess.

Just seem Ardent's post. Don't want to requote my list just yet though.

Crap, I thought it was the legionaire. It was Balbus Senna, the philosopher. My bad.:o

Just noting here that I missed BK stating before the deadline that he would put in a bid for ardent. I missed it in my run through. Narcizo caught it. Thanks Narcizo.

Not too surprising, since Ironhead also swung and missed at the philosopher.

Just following up here. Can anyone confirm this? It would help on a number of levles. Thanks.

So my deductions from the first list was right about Ardent - just the result wasn't :D

So, let me get this straight, Anxiety was supposed to get the pimp, but instead took me?

So Ironhead fails with Senna, and the slaves fall through to CR, but he doesn't get them. Someone who said they bid on me or the swordsman above CR is lieing then.

I wonder if it's CW.

Can we believe CW fell that much by just losing a lawsuit?

Claims he swung and missed. Ardent coming forward means that we know that it's very unlikely Ironhead placed his bid elsewhere. Given the vibes I've been getting from Ironhead I put him as the least likliest to be the liar in that group of seven.

I think you're getting mixed up there Ardent. I know the feeling.

I believe Anxiety claimed to have your services yesterday. He hasn't said who he got today.

Just seeing how the +/- on the list went since I noticed CW's plunge. Granted CW made a big deal about dropping as well.

Ardentus Enthusiastus +12, not surprising, I won a ton of suits.
Kayus Whitus +1, interesting he climbs a spot while Anxiety and DC drop 1
Abeus Anxietus -2, from 1st to 3rd while winning my service
Dodgeus Erchickus -2, from 2nd to 4th while NOT winning my service
Passus Caglius +1
Pathus Twelveus +1
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus +2
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus -4...interesting.
Grammus Atticus +7
Ironus Headus -5, while losing out on his bid.
Narcizus Lispus 0
Autumnus Leavus -3
Chiefus Rumus -2
Chubbus Chubbus +1
Daddus Torgous -1 I think now that Gramm climbed
Mustangus Sallus 2nd to last now with NC's death
Tyrus Ithus still last

From Saturday morning:

And with that, I'm out and off to work.

Gotcha. Thanks.

He only fell one level. If he was near the bottom of the second level then it's possible that he fell to the third level, and might have done so without being sued at all as we've lost more people.

I've just thought of something and I want this out there now. If there's a conversion ability I'm the prime target for a conversion attempt. We need to scan me tomorrow. :)

*In your face Alternate Future #2 Narc*

That's the thing, though. The four spots he dropped are from me and three others still in the game.

See my post from 10 minutes ago...which lists, in order, the wealth rank cronin put together and below it the list of wealth from Saturday morning.

Ardent, the list isn't an exact guide. We don't know where people are in comparison to others within their wealth category - it's done in alphabetical order. However I'm going to stick my neck out and say that you're now the wealthiest among us.

This doesn't, however, take into account the other lawsuits...and I'll look more into that either during my workday or after I get home...depends on if I'm running around somewhere or sitting in the office again.

Ah, I never caught that. Thanks.

FTR, I won my bid.

So, does Kwhit or DC have the swordman?