I'm tending to believe DT. This is what I propose: let's present some additional evidence to keep him in jail one more night and see if the game is over when bulletsponge is lynched. I'd hate to see DT die and us win if bulletsponge is Moriarty. If the game isn't over, let's lynch the sucka.

My evidence is that he was one of the last two with Barkeep. DC was the other. Since it wasn't DC that poisoned Barkeep, we can only concluded that it was DT.

awww. well thanks for that blade! maybe you can talk to watson? i don't wanna die. I'm innocent! How stupid would I have to be to poison barkeep and be the last to sleep with him?

or someone before me. dubb said it was slow-acting right? if we assume he's telling the truth it could have been any of a number of people, not just me!

UNVOTE NO LYNCH DADDY TORGO

VOTE LYNCH DADDY TORGO

Sorry DT, its a numbers game now...killing both of you will help us plow through those numbers...cronin convinced me

I dont think you want to thank me anymore, raiders took over the one vote spot. my side-kick convinced me, not so much about you as our overall strategy in this game. Sorry mate.

:eek:

nooooooo

We know of 4 people barkeep slept with..2 are dead, and the other 2 will both die today...numbers game, like i said

could be someone he didn't sleep with too though. consider that plz!

Actually it could not have been. The evidence was quite clear.

evidence? if it's going to damm an innocent man, care to share?

No, i know whoever poisoned him did it while making love...if both you and bullet come up good, which i doubt, then that leaves swaggs as the only other person who could have done it. Hoops and izulde cant visit other prostitutes, and raiders, cronin, and i cant at all. I scanned swaggs night 3, and we dont think he was ever with barkeep. Therefore, its likely one of you two.

blah. doesn't seem like there's much hope of swaying anyone then.

Come on chief, start that write-up

Blade, why wouldn't you go with the strategy I outlined above? If DT stays in jail he can't do anything. If the game isn't over when we lynch bulletsponge, then we know DT has to be the one. If we let him live another day, it would allow a potential good guy to live until the end or it would allow us another chance to kill a potential bad guy with no ramifications.

I'm confused here why you wouldn't go with that unless you think that Chief Rum wouldn't keep him in jail on the evidence that it was either him or DC that poisoned Barkeep...

Don't make me duke the vote...

I'd like to hear why you wouldn't entertain that strategy.

Becuase if we keep him in jail we cant put another person in jail tonight...id like to lynch 2 tomorrow as well if we dont win it today.

On another note, I can duke the vote on a prison lynch right Chief? Or do I have to let him go to avoid the lynch?

If it's option one, then don't worry DT. Unless Blade comes up with a good reason you won't die tonight. If it's option two....sorry, but you're as good as dead because I won't allow a potential baddie to be released to kill someone good.

I can put another person in jail tonight. It holds two. I'm not sure if we could lynch both of them as well as another lynch though...Chief?

If you feel strongly enough, go ahead. But who would you duke the vote to? Swaggs? Hoopsguy? Izulde?

There just really aren't any other suspects. The last badguy has to be either bullet or DT. It's possible there was a conversion - but, I don't think there has been.

Hold 2 on the same charges? We have one killer left...i felt 2 applied to 2 different murders

let's hope it's option 1 then.

thanks RA.

RA, dont duke it...you will hurt our team if you do

Unfortunately I can't duke the vote to someone else. It just saves that person. I believe I can hold two guys on the same charge since I don't need evidence to jail them.

Blade and Cronin - why did you guys visit Path on back-to-back nights? I don't get that at all.

We got confirmation from you, Path, and me that you guys looked at Path on Night 5 - so why did you go back to him again on Night 6? Not because you were worried about him being converted in between ... so what gives?

i'd like to know that too...:confused:

I trust them explicitly. If they weren't the real Holmes and Watson, then someone else would've come forward to claim those roles.

I'm really confused about this, guys. Please reply to this ASAP.

Raiders, I'm just trying to understand an event that doesn't make sense to me right now.

Because I don't think that DT could have done the killing last night. The night description indicates he was arrested during dinner or something to that extent, as well as asking at the end if he could have committed a killing when he was in jail. I'll pull that stuff up, but if DT is the last killer it feels like Chief went through a decent amount of trouble in his write-up to cast more than reasonable doubt on this.

Hoops, for the time being id like to keep secret what actually went on last night...ill tell you when i deem it relevant, but for now its not important

Bold, italic, and underline are mine for emphasis.

So would you say if I duked the vote against DT I would be making a mistake? At this point, I don't see the harm in laying our cards on the table.

The Chief of Inspectors can stop a prison lynch as well in much the same manner. Nothing I am saying here is to indicate whether Raiders Army is actually that role.

I more or less played along with this stuff earlier in the game, but I have no idea why you would take this approach now.

I would prefer that we leave DT in jail for an extra day if that is an option.

The jail holds two, and there is currently one open cell.

Anyone in jail can be lynched that day, regardless of what happens with the other occupant.

agreed. could blade + cronin be sherlock+watson AND masons or something? there is absolutely no reason for the hiding of anything at this point. i didn't kill path. I didn't kill barkeep. but i'm starting to wonder why you two are being so secretive. If I had a vote tonight I would have to consider one/both of you.

where would the harm be in that? keep me in jail, lynch one of the two of them and maybe we'd find out why they were so secretive?

So let's just leave DT alone for today and focus on bulletsponge. Wouldn't that make the most sense???

Because my partner deemed it important to...i frankly debated releasing some info, but were a team and his opinion of our two infos was some things are best kept to ourselves.

Especially if someone we trust is evil, which we would have learned if RA didnt duke DT...we have two people i dont trust to some extent, and both were to die today.

Blade, at this point keeping your information to yourself is fostering undue suspicion if you are in fact who you say you are. I have not seen anything that clearly identifies you as Sherlock Holmes in the times that I have observed you. I've had reason to believe you are, based upon traveling with Cronin and the fact that your actions have led to removing bad guys, but I do not have direct evidence to support it.

When Cronin posts that you went to visit the guy that you visited the night before, and I was in the same district and didn't see you, I'm pretty sure that something is up. You tell me not to worry about it when we are down to eight players? C'mon - put yourself in my shoes here.

Ummm...you're really making a mistake here. Why lynch one of them when Moriarty is still out there? Huh???

very very suspicious i agree. no really, CR said that masons were around...could Blade+Cronin be masons (or even be holmes+watson AND ALSO be masons) with their own seperate victory conditions?

Not to me and cronin...RA, we have trusted you all game(and mostly vice versa), and if one of us were converted you would know it. Your basically saying you would rather take DT and hoops' opinions over ours...2 totally uncleared players over two totally cleared players...

If we kill these two we should win(and both are the two remaining lovers of barkeep)...you have my opinion, and as holmes id like to see both DT and bullet die tonight

I'm not saving you DT due to that. What's done is done.

because something doesn't add up with them, as hoops is saying.

And your trying to save him from a lynch...hes telling you to lynch us, when you know were still good. If they converted one of us the other would know, as we are always together. You would know if one of us fell to darkness, but there is DT suggesting

i'm just saying RA...something doesn't add up. and like blade is saying, in a numbers game right now, we are so far ahead that we can almost afford that lynch to find out what the two of them are really up to.

if you're both good blade, then why didn't hoops see you, that's all i'm asking. and why won't you share why you two visited path again? i don't even have a lynch vote, i'm not trying to get you two lynched, i just want you to answer the question.

Blade, how would RA know if one or both of you had been converted?

Look, I'm just trying to figure out why you are taking the approach you are taking tonight. I'm not advocating lynching either of you guys at the moment, but I'm not backing down from asking questions this time.

If the group sees this as sufficient reason to come after me, then we'll be short one more Londoner. But the information you guys are presenting doesn't make any sense.

If you visited someone besides Path, they could come forward and say that you visited them last night. But no one is coming forward and you guys are not giving information about it despite both of you being in the thread.

what he said. i didn't say i wanted to lynch you blade. i just said i wanted you to answer the questions, that's all.

RA...don't lynch me! :(

What really doesn't add up is that you could've kept your mouth shut. I was ready to save you had Blade not said something concrete and you had to come out of left field with that. Why would I vote to lynch someone who I have professed many times to be Holmes and Watson? The fact that Moriarty is out there and might not be bulletsponge is a huge factor because nobody knows for sure if bulletsponge is Moriarty. You two are the top suspects. Surely you can see where I'm coming from.

Becuase if one of us was converted the other would know it. That person would then tell everyone else. We are always together, day and night...i see no way cronin could far to darkness without me knowing, especially with the unique bodyguard like power he possesses

right. but even if they are holmes and watson, do we know for sure that they might not also be masons with their own victory conditions or up to something else? i'm not disputing they are holmes and watson, but something doesn't add up, and it's frustrating to me!

i'd like to live to the end of the game...sure. but i'd also like to know WTF they are up to and being so secretive about.

Actually I felt pretty safe about night 3 because I realized since I never went out that it would be hard for a baddie to kill me. ;)

Anyhow, I'm sticking with this unless someone has some hard evidence to sway me from my decisions.

But why go after them when Moriarty is still out there? Answer that and I'll think about saving you.

Also, it's pretty ironic since I was the Chief of Inspections at West Point in my last job.

and maybe i just see my death as inevitable if bulletsponge comes up clean...and if he doesn't then it's not that the end of the world that i didn't live till the end of the game.

living would be nice though, don't get me wrong.

Do you really believe they would grant two of the biggest roles for good additional roles to harm good? That would greatly unbalance the game DT...we have you dubb, saldana, and helped with Lathum and LSG(it was me who said i didnt believe her when she confirmed my saldana story and said she was likely still my top suspect). If we werent with good, we wouldnt be anywhere near this close to victory. Neither dubb nor saldana were going to get lynched if we didnt say anyting...DT, you killed yourself there, sorry

If bullet does come up as clean, why go after a mason? If you had directed your vote towards hoops or swaggs it would've made more sense to me. Maybe you didn't realize how much I trusted blade and cronin. *shrug*

Blade, I don't know how to respond to that - it is based on information that is specific to your role PM and there isn't anyone else who can vouch for it.

I'm much more interested in understanding what happened with you two last night. I certainly wasn't asking for you to not scan DT so you could go back to the guy you had scanned the night before. And the circumstances around it (him dead, me not seeing you two) look really lousy as well.

Your actions have earned a good amount of trust so far this game - which is why I'm trying to talk this out instead of pushing harder. But your refusal to discuss it has the look of a bad guy who realize he screwed up right now. We've made it seven days without a major Blade/Hoops throwdown and I wasn't looking to have one right now. Just answer the questions about last night and we don't need to have one tonight either.

i don't want to GO AFTER THEM. i just want them to tell us what they're being so secretive about. and voting being the only weapon that there is in this game to force people to talk, what i MEANT was that that type of pressure might force them to tell us why they're being secretive. if they'd just come right out and say it that'd be fine, but they won't. I'm just wary of CR's description of masons, and how they could be working for either side, implying they have their own victory conditions, and if there are masons then I wouldn't want to see them win because we rushed to lynch me when I could just as easily sit in jail for another day.

st.cronin: Hoopsguy, in the games when you have a bodyguard, were you always completely open with the village about your movements?

Hoopsguy: um, no

st.cronin: ok then

I personally don't think he needs to explain himself to you. DT made a mistake; a fatal one. Your behavior is only putting the target on you if the game doesn't end tonight.

i don't have a vote. you have me in jail. i just want answers.

Also, I have another theory to share after the game is over tonight. Remind me to share with y'all...including Chief Rum.

If you still dont trust me after i was one of the top two pushers for ALL 4 dead bad guys, then nothing i say now will convince you. No offense, you can try all you want but ive told you what im willing to tell you. You can suspect, accuse, or pick a fight. You will find me quite unresponsive. There will be no major hoops/blade throwdown today, becuase quite frankly i wont enter into one with you.

Raiders, I would think the target would shift to me if DT is a bad guy and the game doesn't end tonight because I would be potentially trying to protect him.

But I'm not doing that - I'm trying to understand why our seer and partner are lying to us in a manner that makes them look guilty.

Cronin, in the times that I was a bodyguard I didn't leak fake information after the fact - I just withheld who my last protection was in games where I couldn't guard the same people twice. I get that Blade plays fast and loose with information, but what is the value-add in keeping this info to himself and you telling a lie that is pretty easily disproved?

Fine. When the game does not end tonight come scan me.

If the game does end tonight, I'll apologize for introducing doubt near the end of the game although I don't know what information you could possibly have collected last night that would explain how you two are playing right now. I guess it is a topic for the post-game.

I think the game is over tonight from what I've seen.

??

The short answer is that we suspect that there are counter-measures to some things we may do.

Raiders, I can certainly come up with scenarios where lynching two tonight could end very badly (Blade/Cronin are converted as a pair???) but I think they are pretty remote and that we will have the luxury of getting it right tomorrow if we screw up today.

That doesn't mean I like how this is playing out at all.

aaaah. well that's certainly understandable then. you could have come out awhile back and said that and saved my neck though!

I hope it is...if moriarty is the last evil, it should be DT...if its a conversion, we will likely have to win tomorrow or the day after if only 1 is left. Hoops was a very attractive conversion target, as was izulde and swaggs(if converted on nights after he was cleared). Tomorrow, if game does not end today, we will have(not counting any night attempts):

Special:
Raiders
Cronin
Blade

Hooker:
Hoops
Izulde

Reg:
Swaggs

If we can lynch two of those bottom 3, we shold win...if not, we go to the next day and kill the 3rd...numbers game, see?

I'll explain after the game is over.

If DT is telling the truth, then Bullet had two shots at harming Barkeep (this is based upon Blade/Dubb info on poisoning as cause of death, as it was not spelled out publicly).

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

still determined to kill me?

Ya. My theory is based on out of game stuff that I have observed tonight but I'm still letting you die (and voting to lynch you) based on what you've said.

Izulde and Swaggs - I'm interested in your thoughts on how the events of the last couple of hours have played out.

theory?

what have i said? that the blade/cronin secretiveness makes me uncomfortable? even if they are good, don't you still want to know what they're up to?

i wasn't seriously arguing that we lynch one of them. more like wondering what they were up to.

And im pretty sure i decided who i want to scan already if we dont win today, so im looking forward to these lynch results.

RA, can you put TWO people in prison? Or is it just one per night?

Sorry to confuse, but my theory that the game is going to end tonight is based on out of game events. That being siad, their secretiveness doesn't make me uncomfortable until we kill Moriarty.

One per night, but two can be in prison at a time.

Thinking toss 2 in prison tonight so we can lynch all 3 tomorrow? Interesting idea

nm, RA said nope

what out-of-game events?

now i'm just really curious.

right, and we do need to kill moriarity first, but there's no reason we can't at least like...ask the questions of them now. it's not like we can't pursue 2 agendas.

K, out until after results are posted. Hopefully returning to a post-game ...

We'll find out here in a few minutes what happens!

You say quite clearly to kill us..thats not ask questions, thats flat out telling them to kill us:

Raiders, any thoughts on tonight's scan?

it was a question though...see the ? on it. trying to put pressure on you two to find out what you're up to that's all!

Nope. I think the game's over.

I just had to breeze through, but I think we are making the right move tonight. Unless we think hookers can be converted, I don't know where else to go, other than DT and/or bullet.

As I said earlier, I will be happy to visit one of you all tonight if you tell me where.

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Anyhow, I thought the game was over since Chief Rum was in the thread for the past hour or so off and on...mostly on. I don't believe he's stuck around that much for a deadline before.