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ISiddiqui 01-18-2006 10:34 AM

Woot! 7 wins in a row for the Devils... getting Elias back was just what they needed :D. If we had him all year, we'd be leading the Atlantic!

Honolulu_Blue 01-18-2006 10:44 AM

Ziggy Palfy just announced his retirement. Effective immediately.

Poor Penguins.

General Mike 01-18-2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
Ziggy Palfy just announced his retirement. Effective immediately.

Poor Penguins.


WOW~!

Draft Dodger 01-18-2006 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
Ziggy Palfy just announced his retirement. Effective immediately.

Poor Penguins.


Poor Palffy too - thats more than $10 Million he's leaving on the table.
My SGS headline: Palffy no longer getting Ziggy with it. :cool:

Suburban Rhythm 01-18-2006 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
Ziggy Palfy just announced his retirement. Effective immediately.

Poor Penguins.


Yeah...but we just picked up Eric Cairns too!! For a 6th rounder this year. Looks like they are trying to replace Palffy's production already!!

Draft Dodger 01-18-2006 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Vogel
Yeah...but we just picked up Eric Cairns too!! For a 6th rounder this year. Looks like they are trying to replace Palffy's production already!!


well, they've certainly got Palffy's PIMs covered! and heck, they both wear #33 - this CAN'T be a coincidence.

seriously, I had no idea Eric "I can kick" Cairns was still in the NHL. I know the Pens need protection for Crosby, but is this the best they could do? couldn't they just sign Peter Worrell or something? at least he wouldn't cost a draft pick.

Honolulu_Blue 01-18-2006 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Vogel
Yeah...but we just picked up Eric Cairns too!! For a 6th rounder this year. Looks like they are trying to replace Palffy's production already!!


I've always liked Eric Cairns. He's big, mean, and a bit crazy. It's a nice combination. Perhaps he will be able to deter people from running Crosby every night, assuming he sees the ice enough. I do not think this move will help cure the Pens' defensive struggles however.

Suburban Rhythm 01-19-2006 09:02 AM

My problem with it is...we are already speanding $1 mil a year for Andre Roy not to fight, and prior to the lockout had signed Ryan Vandensbussche (who is in the AHL now in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton).

And HB, you are right, Cairns will not solve the Pens D troubles...but he can't really make them much worse. At least he might clear someone from in front of the net every so often.

I also read...he has a broken ankle, and is out until mid-Feb!! I can't imagine the Pens knew this at the time of the trade--I'd think if it was not disclosed, the trade won't go through...but who knows.

As for Peter Worrell...I think we tried going after Andreas Lilja, thinking he was Peter Worrell.

Honolulu_Blue 01-19-2006 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Vogel
My problem with it is...we are already speanding $1 mil a year for Andre Roy not to fight, and prior to the lockout had signed Ryan Vandensbussche (who is in the AHL now in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton).

And HB, you are right, Cairns will not solve the Pens D troubles...but he can't really make them much worse. At least he might clear someone from in front of the net every so often.

I also read...he has a broken ankle, and is out until mid-Feb!! I can't imagine the Pens knew this at the time of the trade--I'd think if it was not disclosed, the trade won't go through...but who knows.

As for Peter Worrell...I think we tried going after Andreas Lilja, thinking he was Peter Worrell.


The big problem with Cairns, other than the fact that he's slow and can't skate well, is that he's also mean and stupid and will take many stupid penalties. All this said, I still like the guy. I have yet to have an EHM career where, at some point, Eric Cairns wasn't playing for my team. This is usually very early on during the initial re-building phase when I know I don't have the talent level to compete so I try to intimidate and out hit everyone. It never really works.

If the Pens management thought that Andreas Lilja was Peter Worrell, then I fear things are even worse in Pittsburgh than I had ever imagined. Lilja is big, but he's soft and is not a physical presence at all. In fact, he takes many more hits (from much smaller players) than he gives.

I have no idea what Andre Roy is doing if he's not fighting.

Draft Dodger 01-19-2006 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
If the Pens management thought that Andreas Lilja was Peter Worrell, then I fear things are even worse in Pittsburgh than I had ever imagined. Lilja is big, but he's soft and is not a physical presence at all. In fact, he takes many more hits (from much smaller players) than he gives.


it was a joke. surprised you missed this
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1975106

Honolulu_Blue 01-19-2006 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
it was a joke. surprised you missed this
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1975106


I totally missed that. That's pretty funny actually. Good stuff!

sterlingice 01-19-2006 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
The big problem with Cairns, other than the fact that he's slow and can't skate well, is that he's also mean and stupid and will take many stupid penalties.

He's a quintuple threat! :D

SI

Suburban Rhythm 01-19-2006 11:10 AM

Yeah...sorry the Worrell/Lilja thing was a poor attempt at a joke...I didn't set it up too well.

Cairns I believe is supposed to replace the big, slow, worthless, dumb guy our locker room has been missing since Steve McKenna has been gone...

Honolulu_Blue 01-19-2006 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Vogel
Yeah...sorry the Worrell/Lilja thing was a poor attempt at a joke...I didn't set it up too well.

Cairns I believe is supposed to replace the big, slow, worthless, dumb guy our locker room has been missing since Steve McKenna has been gone...


It was a great joke, actually. Very well done, I just missed that little gem of a story, or, if I didn't miss it, I certainly didn't remember it.

Maybe the Pens could try and find Billy Tibbets again. Now that guy was crazy.

While on the topic of ex-Panther tough guys (Cairns), I always really liked Paul Laus. I was sad when he was forced to retire. He was always one of my favorites for some reason. Probably because he always served me well in fantasy hockey (as a PIM machine) and in strat-o-matic (as a hit machine). I also liked to pronounce his name so it rhymed with "house" and could call him "The Laus of Pain."

Draft Dodger 01-19-2006 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Vogel
Yeah...sorry the Worrell/Lilja thing was a poor attempt at a joke...I didn't set it up too well.

Cairns I believe is supposed to replace the big, slow, worthless, dumb guy our locker room has been missing since Steve McKenna has been gone...


the Worrell/Lilja joke is ALWAYS a good joke.

Draft Dodger 01-19-2006 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
While on the topic of ex-Panther tough guys (Cairns), I always really liked Paul Laus. I was sad when he was forced to retire. He was always one of my favorites for some reason. Probably because he always served me well in fantasy hockey (as a PIM machine) and in strat-o-matic (as a hit machine). I also liked to pronounce his name so it rhymed with "house" and could call him "The Laus of Pain."


I liked Laus as well. he also would sometimes become eligible at D & Forward, which gave me added flexibility.

Suburban Rhythm 01-19-2006 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
It was a great joke, actually. Very well done, I just missed that little gem of a story, or, if I didn't miss it, I certainly didn't remember it.

Maybe the Pens could try and find Billy Tibbets again. Now that guy was crazy.

While on the topic of ex-Panther tough guys (Cairns), I always really liked Paul Laus. I was sad when he was forced to retire. He was always one of my favorites for some reason. Probably because he always served me well in fantasy hockey (as a PIM machine) and in strat-o-matic (as a hit machine). I also liked to pronounce his name so it rhymed with "house" and could call him "The Laus of Pain."


Mike Lange (Pens radio announcer) recently made reference to Tibbetts playing somewhere, like the UHL in some far off small town.

The problem with Tibbetts was that sticky visa problem--after his sexual assault charges/probabtion/etc, he couldn't travel with the team to Canada--he wasn't allowed to leave the country.

I do believe though that Francois Leroux is still available.

TurnerONU22 01-19-2006 06:57 PM

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Columbus Blue Jackets defenceman Bryan Berard tested positive for a banned substance as part of drug testing for the Olympics.

Sources say Berard, who was invited to the U.S. summer Olympic evaluation camp and therefore eligible for Olympic testing, tested positive for the substance nandrolone, an anabolic steroid which is on the IOC banned substance list.

A positive test means that Berard is ineligible for any international competition for the next two years. The test will not impact on the Olympics in February as Berard was not selected to the U.S. team.

The positive Olympic test will have no impact on his current standing or status within the National Hockey League.

The test was apparently conducted in November with the results being made known to Berard in December.

Sources say the NHL was made aware of the positive test in December. Sources also suggest that Berard voluntarily went to the league in late December and underwent league sanctioned testing, which came back negative for any banned substances.

Sources say Berard attributed the positive test to a supplement he was taking in off-season training.

Berard would only be sanctioned by the NHL if he tested positive within the joint testing program of the NHL and NHL Players Association which began last Sunday.

Blue Jackets executive director of communications Todd Sharrock says the team is aware of the report, but will have no comment "until the results are confirmed by the group that administered the test."

The USADA is scheduled to announce the doping result at a Friday news conference. Berard is also slated to talk to the media Friday.

The 28-year old former first overall selection in the 1995 Draft has 9 goals and 18 assists in 40 games with the Blue Jackets this season



Well, i guess the 'roids didn't help his defensive play that much. What's troubling is that it is during the season, but Berard claims that he used them in his off-season training. This is so far out of left field that I'm not sure how to feel, I'm waiting for what he has to say tomorrow.

Tekneek 01-20-2006 02:59 AM

Tibbetts is now playing with Chicago of the AHL.

http://ahl.leaguestat.com/stats/player.php?id=908

17 pts in 17 games, with 124 PIM.

sachmo71 01-20-2006 09:25 PM

Wow, I didn't realize that the Stars got Ninnima from the Isle.

Tekneek 01-21-2006 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71
Wow, I didn't realize that the Stars got Ninnima from the Isle.


He had become a scapegoat in New York. Stirling hated him and eventually the fans turned on him as well. I thought he was great in Edmonton.

sachmo71 01-21-2006 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek
He had become a scapegoat in New York. Stirling hated him and eventually the fans turned on him as well. I thought he was great in Edmonton.



Oh yeah? Well, Erskine will fit in nicely in that role. Can you say "pylon"? :D

Honolulu_Blue 01-21-2006 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek
He had become a scapegoat in New York. Stirling hated him and eventually the fans turned on him as well. I thought he was great in Edmonton.


My favorite Janne Niinimaa moment was in Game 4 of the 1997 Stanley Cup Finals while Niinimaa was with the Flyers. Darren McCarty undressed Niinimaa and then went on to put one hell of a move on Ron Hextall to score the title-clinching goal and not to mention one of the prettiest goals in Wings' history.

I had Bruce Martyn's radio play-by-play call of the goal as my voicemail message for a few months after that.

Draft Dodger 01-22-2006 09:11 AM

some interesting hockey yesterday. Ottawa drubbed Toronto 7-0. Nashville also put up 7 goals against Columbus. Vancouver scored 6 goals in the first 14 minutes against Montreal, running Jose Theodore out of the game and maybe out of the city - that's his 3rd 5 goal game in the last 6 games.

Detroit beat Colorado 4-3. It was a pretty good game, but it really showed just how much better the Wings are than Colorado. Colorado's PP couldn't do anything - and on a couple of occasions, the Wings controlled the puck shorthanded for significant games of keep away. It's pretty daunting when you get a power play and look across the ice and see 2 3-time Norris winners and a Selke winner on the other side of the ice.

to me, Detroit is clearly the best team in the West right now - a great mix of youth and veterans.

Tekneek 01-23-2006 06:52 PM

COLAIACOVO of the Leafs has just been hurt very badly in the game against the Senators tonight. He was backing into making a hit on Varada and partially missed, then spun and hit the boards. It looks real bad. Just saw movement from him on the stretcher, but it looked like he could have been dead for a while there.

Maple Leafs 01-23-2006 07:22 PM

He looked like he was knocked out by the initial impact, then slammed into the boards without protecting himself. He was bleeding badly and not moving, Very scary, although now they're saying it may be just a concussion.

Draft Dodger 01-23-2006 10:31 PM

Theodore shelled. again.

Tekneek 01-24-2006 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs
Very scary, although now they're saying it may be just a concussion.


I bet his entire body hurts like hell today, but the headache is probably the worst part of it. He's pretty lucky if he can come back in a week.

Draft Dodger 01-24-2006 08:48 AM

Lemieux retires. again.

Tekneek 01-24-2006 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
Lemieux retires. again.


It is hard to spend all that time in practice and games when you are trying to sell your team...assuming he was ever going to be healthy enough to play regularly anyway.

Honolulu_Blue 01-24-2006 09:25 AM

Too bad about Lemieux, but no real surprise.

Back in the pre-season there these quotes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan
I was thinking about the Penguins forward lines:

Recchi - Lemieux - Palffy
Crosby - Morozov - Malkin
Eastwood - Kraft - Malone

Absolutely phenomenal group, there.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
Phenomenal group until Lemieux and Palffy get hurt and Morozov goes in the crapper...


If I had just added "and retire" I would have quite my job and joined the psychic friends network (assuming it still exists).

Ryan S 01-24-2006 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
Lemieux retires. again.


There was no sense in him taking risks with his heart condition to play for a last place team.

Draft Dodger 01-24-2006 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan S
There was no sense in him taking risks with his heart condition to play for a last place team.


I agree entirely (and said as much in a SGS blog entry a few weeks ago).
I'm really glad he did it.

Wolfpack 01-24-2006 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
Theodore shelled. again.


Thanks. We needed that after that "thud" game against the Caps the other night. :)

On a serious note, what has happened to the Habs? They were pretty solid earlier in the year and were nipping at Ottawa's heels for a time. Now they're swan-diving down the standings and they still have to go to Philly and Ottawa in the next couple of games.

Draft Dodger 01-24-2006 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack
Thanks. We needed that after that "thud" game against the Caps the other night. :)

On a serious note, what has happened to the Habs? They were pretty solid earlier in the year and were nipping at Ottawa's heels for a time. Now they're swan-diving down the standings and they still have to go to Philly and Ottawa in the next couple of games.


they are very much like baseball's Washington Nationals last year. Early in the season, the Canadiens were winning every 1-goal game. statistically, that couldn't last. here's what I said about them back in December when they they were ranked 4th in the East:


The Good: Montreal has won with timely goals – they are 13-1 in one-goal games. Saku Koivu (26 pts) and Michael Ryder (11 goals) have paced the team.
The Bad: Sheldon Souray’s 15-goal season in ’03-’04 looked like an aberration then (his previous high was a whopping 3) and it looks like an aberration now (just one goal this season). Montreal’s roster seems to have more than the fair share of inconsistent (or disappointing) players: Jan Bulis, Mathieu Dandenault, Radek Bonk, Nicklas Sundstrum – all former first or second round picks that are now not much more than role players.
Outlook: Statistically, Montreal has been average (or worse) in all the major categories. If not for their one-goal wins, this team is just that: average. By the end of the season, they will be in the middle of the pack, possibly out of the playoffs.

Logan 01-24-2006 07:21 PM

Any Washington Caps fans here?

I'm going to be in DC the week of April 17th for work. It'll be my 3rd trip down there since June, and usually I'll spend the nights at bars with my co-workers. This time though, I wanna take in a Caps game. Really just because I want to see Ovechkin play in person, and I haven't had a chance to get to one of the games when the Caps were either playing the Rangers or Devils. Anyway, none of the guys that I'll be down there with are really hockey fans so I haven't been able to convince anyone to go with me. But like I said, I want to see Ovechkin so I wouldn't mind picking up a single ticket and going.

The last Caps home game is on 4/17 vs Atlanta. Does anyone know my chances of heading down to the arena right before the puck drops and picking up a single ticket? I don't figure the game would be sold out, so I guess I could go to the box office...but for anyone who is familiar with what goes on there, have you seen people walking around trying to unload a decent spare ticket (maybe even below face)? Any help appreciated.

Honolulu_Blue 01-25-2006 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan
Any Washington Caps fans here?

I'm going to be in DC the week of April 17th for work. It'll be my 3rd trip down there since June, and usually I'll spend the nights at bars with my co-workers. This time though, I wanna take in a Caps game. Really just because I want to see Ovechkin play in person, and I haven't had a chance to get to one of the games when the Caps were either playing the Rangers or Devils. Anyway, none of the guys that I'll be down there with are really hockey fans so I haven't been able to convince anyone to go with me. But like I said, I want to see Ovechkin so I wouldn't mind picking up a single ticket and going.

The last Caps home game is on 4/17 vs Atlanta. Does anyone know my chances of heading down to the arena right before the puck drops and picking up a single ticket? I don't figure the game would be sold out, so I guess I could go to the box office...but for anyone who is familiar with what goes on there, have you seen people walking around trying to unload a decent spare ticket (maybe even below face)? Any help appreciated.


I'm not a Caps fan, but I live in DC and have been to a few games. The game will not be sold out and there is a good likelihood you could find someone looking to unload a spare ticket. Face value should be easy. If you want to wait until after the game starts below face value is a safe bet. Given that it's the last game of the season and will likely be quite meaningless, you may be able to get below face value earlier than that. There is a market out there. I have bought tickets for a Wings/Caps game before.

Coder 01-25-2006 03:49 AM

Apparently the Toronto Sun is reporting that Mats Sundin wants out of Toronto, and that Calgary and Vancouver are likely destinations.

However, Sundin's agent is laughing at the rumours, saying that Sundin does not want to leave and that he's got a no-trade clause that he doesn't want to absolve.

Simms 01-25-2006 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Coder
Apparently the Toronto Sun is reporting that Mats Sundin wants out of Toronto, and that Calgary and Vancouver are likely destinations.

I have not seen this article yet, but I'm going to out on a limb here....

Is this an Al Strachan column by any chance?

edit: Ah...Bruce Garrioch. Same difference.

Coder 01-25-2006 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Simms
I have not seen this article yet, but I'm going to out on a limb here....

Is this an Al Strachan column by any chance?

edit: Ah...Bruce Garrioch. Same difference.


I haven't seen the article itself, I just read a report in a Swedish newspaper. Wasn't sure if it was "just" a column or something more substantial..

If it was an Al Strachan piece I would have laughed, but the Swedish story didn't mention any details like that. I just don't have a lot of respect for mr Combover ;-)

Haven't read anything by Garrioch.

Simms 01-25-2006 07:33 AM

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists...09508-sun.html

Garrioch's as big a blowhard as Strachan, just based out of Ottawa instead of Toronto. :)

Maple Leafs 01-25-2006 08:31 AM

Garrioch throws every rumor he hears into his column... if he gets one a month right, he's a genius.

Draft Dodger 01-25-2006 10:17 AM

GOALIE FIGHT!!!

Draft Dodger 01-25-2006 11:04 AM

sorry, got a little carried away watching the end of the Avs drubbing of the Flames. 30 seconds left, there's a little scrum in front of Colorado's net. nothing too crazy...until Phil Sauve came charging in to challenge Aebischer. not much of a fight, but kind of interesting since Sauve was Abby's backup last season; I'm not sure if he was just trying to let off some steam, or if there was some bad blood.

Maple Leafs 01-25-2006 11:52 AM

How can you get an instigator penalty, but not a fighting major? I thought that was impossible.

(Of course, I also didn't know you could call and announce a penalty, then change your mind. I'm learning a lot of new rules this week.)

Draft Dodger 01-25-2006 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs
How can you get an instigator penalty, but not a fighting major? I thought that was impossible.

(Of course, I also didn't know you could call and announce a penalty, then change your mind. I'm learning a lot of new rules this week.)


Aebischer also got thrown out of the game even though he only got a roughing penalty. I think that the fact that the game was basically over (7-4 with 30 seconds left) meant that the refs just rushed through the penalties to get it done.

Draft Dodger 01-25-2006 07:09 PM

most likely bogus, but rumors out there the Anaheim is going to change their name at the olympic break

http://www.smart-guys-sports.com/?p=381

Wolfpack 01-25-2006 09:38 PM

I was just thinking about the absurdity of the Ducks name just a day or so ago because ESPN finally got around to doing a power ranking for the first time in a while and they listed them as "Mighty Ducks", which reminded me how damn stupid that name was. The stupidity is further enhanced by the official name being the "Mighty Ducks of Anaheim".

I really do hope they change it to the Anaheim Ducks. Or, they could cheese off the LA residents more and call them the "Los Angeles Ducks of Anaheim". :)

Draft Dodger 01-25-2006 11:44 PM

and Sauve gets waived for his troubles...

sachmo71 01-26-2006 08:18 AM

Jussi Jokinen is a shootout assassin!!! :)

Travis 01-26-2006 06:22 PM

So, two new semi offensive defensemen for the Oilers. Any Pitt or Chicago fans care to shed a little light on what we've gotten ourselves into?

I really think Rita will be a steal for the Pens. He'll hopefully fit in well over there and get the chance he never really got from MacTavish. Likely a nice piece to add to go along with the rest of the young developing talent they've got going. Should be a very fun team to watch in a year or two (even compared to now). Thanks for taking Cross too though, you have no idea how happy the Oiler fans are that we don't have to watch Cross OR Ulanov out there every night. Sure, Tarnstrom may not see the ice in the last 10 minutes of the game if we have the lead, but we've got enough other guys to cover that time well enough.

Draft Dodger 01-26-2006 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis
So, two new semi offensive defensemen for the Oilers. Any Pitt or Chicago fans care to shed a little light on what we've gotten ourselves into?

I really think Rita will be a steal for the Pens.


this was my first thought as well.

sachmo71 01-27-2006 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71
Jussi Jokinen is a shootout assassin!!! :)



7 for 7 baby!

Draft Dodger 01-27-2006 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71
7 for 7 baby!


amazing. and SIX of them were the exact same spot - just over the pads on the stick side. the only time he changed it up was against Tim Thomas, a former teammate in Finland. (I only know this because they had a nice montage of it last night).

For all their talent, Colorado is terrible in the shootout. thank God we wont have them in the playoffs.

Oh, and for the 1,000,000th time: Ossi Vaananen freaking sucks.

Suburban Rhythm 01-27-2006 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis
So, two new semi offensive defensemen for the Oilers. Any Pitt or Chicago fans care to shed a little light on what we've gotten ourselves into?

I really think Rita will be a steal for the Pens. He'll hopefully fit in well over there and get the chance he never really got from MacTavish. Likely a nice piece to add to go along with the rest of the young developing talent they've got going. Should be a very fun team to watch in a year or two (even compared to now). Thanks for taking Cross too though, you have no idea how happy the Oiler fans are that we don't have to watch Cross OR Ulanov out there every night. Sure, Tarnstrom may not see the ice in the last 10 minutes of the game if we have the lead, but we've got enough other guys to cover that time well enough.


Tarnstrom seems like he never found his groove this year, under Edzo or now under Therrien. Not sure what to attribute that too. Was 03-04 a fluke? I don't know. He's also taken alot of penalties this year. Again, is it him, or is it plays he's always made that this year are getting called? Probably somewhere in the middle.

If he regains his form, you have an excellent guy to use on your 3rd pairing, and 2nd PP unit (I'm guessing Pronger and Bergeron will still be on the first unit?).

Do you know this to be true-- heard Cross has a team option for next year, like $925,000? I can Patrick keeping him for a #7 guy...figuring Odelein will be gone, a possibly another guy not brought back like Joe Melichar.

Rita is the wild card. If he breaks out, great. If he doesn't, no loss...Tarnstrom was walking as an UFA after the year anyway.

Wolfpack 01-28-2006 09:36 PM

Ron Francis gets his jersey retired by the Canes tonight, who promptly celebrate by beating the Thrashers 4-1. They are now a mind-boggling 13-1-0 over the last 14 games and have basically blown the division race open, now leading 2nd-place Tampa Bay by 18 points. They also stand atop the league by 4 over Ottawa, but Ottawa has three games in hand. Outstanding. :)

riz 01-29-2006 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71
7 for 7 baby!


Make that 8 for 8 !

And a repeat of the Thomas move....basically the same move used by Forsberg back in the days...one handed. Beauty :)

Coder 01-29-2006 07:19 AM

Ovechkin
 
Just came across this video of Ovechkin.. I mean.. I knew the kid was somethinge else, but this is fantastic stuff.. He doesn't show any kind of rookie-nerves coming out against NHL-veterans.. he lands hits like he's a tough defenseman, stickhandles like Peter Forsberg and scores goals like Teemu Selanne in his prime.

I mean.. wow.. there's a sequence here where he handles the puck, is faced with a Boston defensemen, slows down, BANGS the Boston-player, and keeps on skating with the puck.. or where he completely humiliates Kari Lehtonen on a penalty-shot.. does some kind of "stop n deke" where he has the stick and puck between his legs, parallell with his skates, manages to score, and leaves Lehtonen looking all directions trying to figure out what the hell just happened..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=Alex+Ovechkin

I'm sorry Sidney, but Ovechkin is my Calder-candidate, hands down..

Logan 01-29-2006 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Coder
I'm sorry Sidney, but Ovechkin is my Calder-candidate, hands down..


I don't disagree that Ovechkin should (and probably will) win it. But I really hope Henrik Lundqvist gets some consideration. He's been fantastic. Buccigross gave Ovechkin the Calder, but Lundqvist the Vezina. I guess I can deal with that :).

Is there any doubt though that an All-Rookie team that includes Ovechkin, Crosby, Phaneuf, and Lundqvist would be the best ever?

RPI-Fan 01-29-2006 11:45 AM

That video is amazing. It seems like every single one of Ovechkin's goals include some kind of nasty move -- he doesn't score any garbage goals (or if he does, it's with some kind of diving flair).

Travis 01-29-2006 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan
I don't disagree that Ovechkin should (and probably will) win it. But I really hope Henrik Lundqvist gets some consideration. He's been fantastic. Buccigross gave Ovechkin the Calder, but Lundqvist the Vezina. I guess I can deal with that :).

Is there any doubt though that an All-Rookie team that includes Ovechkin, Crosby, Phaneuf, and Lundqvist would be the best ever?

May as well add Marek Svatos to that lineup too. Not sure which other rookie defenseman would make the cut (there are a few having pretty good seasons), but that is a pretty sweet line so far.

RPI-Fan 01-29-2006 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis
May as well add Marek Svatos to that lineup too. Not sure which other rookie defenseman would make the cut (there are a few having pretty good seasons), but that is a pretty sweet line so far.


I'll throw in Chris Campoli's name. Though he hasn't been very good since the first twenty games or so, I think he might yet turn things around.

Draft Dodger 01-29-2006 02:17 PM

Keith Ballard would be another good name - he leads rookie defensemen in assists and is 3 points behind Phaneuf. He looks like he's going to have a nice NHL career.

One of the worst NHL trades in the last few years is Pierre Lacroix sending him and Derek Morris to Phoenix at the deadline for stiff Ossi Vaananen and a playoff rental of Christ Gratton. If Colorado had Morris and Ballard on their blueline instead of Vaananen and Patrice Brisebois this year, they'd be substantially better.

Ryan Miller is also a rookie that deserves some consideration

Coder 01-29-2006 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan
I don't disagree that Ovechkin should (and probably will) win it. But I really hope Henrik Lundqvist gets some consideration. He's been fantastic. Buccigross gave Ovechkin the Calder, but Lundqvist the Vezina. I guess I can deal with that :).

Is there any doubt though that an All-Rookie team that includes Ovechkin, Crosby, Phaneuf, and Lundqvist would be the best ever?


Oh, I'm probably the biggest Lundqvist-supporter on the board, but even I can't see how anyone but Ovechkin should get the Calder :).

But by all means.. give Henrik the Vezina, I won't complain :)

TazFTW 01-29-2006 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by riz
Make that 8 for 8 !

And a repeat of the Thomas move....basically the same move used by Forsberg back in the days...one handed. Beauty :)


SportsCenter showed the 7 previous shots before showing the one against Detroit. Buccigross was saying he does the same move, skates to the right and then shoots stickside until he faced Tim Thomas who he has played with and most recently played against during the lockout. He then uses the Forsberg "stamp" move on Thomas.

Nice to see he is expanding his shootout arsenal.

sachmo71 01-29-2006 05:51 PM

Those were some sick goals.

Honolulu_Blue 01-30-2006 12:56 PM

Woah.

Big trade. Weight is a Carolina Hurricane. Looks like Carolina is gearing up for a serious run this year. Good for them.

Here are the particulars:

Hurricanes acquire Weight from Blues


TSN.ca Staff


1/30/2006 1:21:18 PM

The Carolina Hurricanes have acquired Doug Weight and 27-year-old Finnish forward Erkki Rajamaki from the St. Louis Blues.

In exchange, Carolina gave to the Blues three draft picks and three players. The package includes:
- Carolina's first-round pick in 2006.
- Toronto's fourth-round pick in 2006, previously acquired by the Hurricanes.
- Chicago's fourth-round pick in 2007, previously acquired by the Hurricanes.
- Tough guy forward Jesse Boulerice, a 27-year-old eighth-year pro
- Forward Mike Zigomanis, a 25-year-old fifth-year pro
- Magnus Kahnberg, 25, an unsigned Carolina draftee from Sweden who will become an unrestricted free agent on July 1

Weight is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1. At this point in time, Weight is considered by both the Hurricanes and himself to be a "rental" for the balance of this season.

Although the Weight trade is not related to the ongoing ownership issues with the Blues, sources tell TSN it finally looks as though the franchise will be sold to a group headed by former New York Ranger executive Dave Checketts, who has been in on-again, off-again negotiations to buy the team for months now.

Sources say the deal was supposed to be finalized over the weekend, but that did not happen. Whether it's just a minor delay or yet another snag that could cause problems remains to be seen, but the sense is that Checketts' group will be able to close the deal to purchase the franchise

Weight, 35, is the Blues' leading scorer with 44 points in 47 games this season. A productive offensive centre throughout his career, Weight will be an unrestricted free agent at season's end. He's earning $5.7-million this year.


In 960 career games with the Blues, Oilers and Rangers, Weight has 235 goals and 637 assists for 872 points, adding 55 points in 68 career playoff games.

Wolfpack 01-30-2006 01:32 PM

Oh, my goodness! Obviously, the Canes front office thinks Weight will give them the clout to match up with Ottawa and Philadelphia in the playoffs. They also are perfectly willing to let him walk after the year is over.

I'm trying to think where he'll fit right now. I'm trying to figure out what line we'll put him on since the first couple of lines (Cole-Staal-Stillman, Brind'Amour-Williams-Vasicek) are well-matched and on a roll right now. With Joe Cullen out with injury, he may be taking over that spot on the third line.

They get rid of Boulerice, who's only basic role was to beat other people up, Zigomanis, who hasn't really done much this year (apparently, he, Kahnberg, and Rajamaki are the bags of pucks exchanging teams here), and several draft picks that the Canes generally acquired from other teams. The 2006 first-rounder, given Carolina's current performance, would have been a late first-round choice, so they wouldn't have had a shot at an immediate impact player like Kessel.

My only concern is we're putting a lot on the table to win this year. Carolina's frugality means that a lot of our guys are free agents coming up, though most aren't unrestricted. Lavs is also going to need a new contract this year as well. If we don't win it but get to say either the conference final or the Cup final, will Karmanos/Rutherford blow up the team to keep costs down or will they try to catch lightning in a bottle again next year? Worries, worries.

But for now, outstanding. :)

Draft Dodger 01-30-2006 02:25 PM

Isn't Vasicek hurt too? I think it's a nice trade, but I really am not convinced the Carolina is the real deal. I have a hard time picturing them going deep in the playoffs.

Wolfpack 01-30-2006 02:40 PM

Yeah, he is. My goof. Still, it's a solid cast through the first couple of lines.

I have a little trouble thinking Carolina is this good myself, but generally, they've taken on and beaten all comers so far. They went perfect against the Central Division (5-0) at home and were 2-2-1 against the Pacific Division on the road. In addition, they have actually fared a little better outside the division than in it in the East (18-4-2 out, 11-5-1 in), so it isn't like we're feasting on our own division by any stretch of the imagination. By comparison, Ottawa is 13-5 out of division and and 16-3-1 in the division, and Philadelphia is 14-7-5 out of division and 11-3-1 in division. We've split the season series with Ottawa 2-2 and lead Philadelphia 2-0-1 with one to go.

Draft Dodger 01-30-2006 05:06 PM

yeah, I was surprised by that too. my first instinct was "sure, they play in a division with Washington and Florida", but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Wolfpack 01-30-2006 08:34 PM

Well, truth be told, the Caps' 5-2 win over us recently was actually the first time either Washington or Florida has beaten us this year. We're now a combined 6-1-0 against those teams. After dropping the first two against Atlanta, we've won four in a row against them (now 4-2). Only Tampa has a winning record against us right now as we've only gone 1-2-1 against them. I think we're a pretty sure bet to win the Southeast at this point because we actually have more games against Washington and Florida left (9 more games) as opposed to Atlanta and Tampa Bay (6 games left). Tampa Bay could at best make up eight more points in head-to-head contests and Atlanta can only net four more points head-to-head, which still leaves a boatload of points they'll need to get off others in the league and they'll need help from those same others to beat us to catch up.

Schmidty 02-01-2006 02:18 PM

For all you Red Wings fans, Kronwall's back tonight, and with the Wings, not the Griffons as previously thought. I'm pumped to see him.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...602010441/1128

Travis 02-01-2006 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty
For all you Red Wings fans, Kronwall's back tonight, and with the Wings, not the Griffons as previously thought. I'm pumped to see him.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...602010441/1128


Excellent. Nabbed him off of the waiver wire a couple days ago in the hopes that he'd be back following the Olympic break. Here's hoping he gets back up to speed in a hurry.

Schmidty 02-01-2006 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis
Excellent. Nabbed him off of the waiver wire a couple days ago in the hopes that he'd be back following the Olympic break. Here's hoping he gets back up to speed in a hurry.


He's going to be with Wooley tonight in the 3rd defensive pairing, but if he can get back to where he was supposed to be at the start of the year - 1st or 2nd pairing, that'll be a hell of a pickup for you.

Draft Dodger 02-01-2006 07:09 PM

speaking of Red Wings...
(from ESPN...I think it's an Insider Article. don't hate me).

Noting that in 1927, when known as the Detroit Falcons, the franchise had both red and black striping, the Red Wings have announced their new uniforms will contain black accents.

"The history of this franchise is very important to us, as are the fan’s desires." said owner Mike Ilitch. "We feel the fan want to see a more modern look. With Detroit’s Lions adding black with such great success recently, I thought it was only natural to bring the same look to the Red Wings."

Reebok designers worked with the Red Wings to bring a fresh look to the new style form-fitting jerseys. “The fan’s reception to the black practice jerseys was so overwhelmingly positive, we capitalized on that for the new design of the game jerseys.”

The jerseys are said to closely resemble the current practice jerseys, as Reebok has stated most NHL teams’ new jerseys will, but with black cuffs and collar and black panels under the white gusset inserts.

The new Red Wings home jersey will be red, and will feature a mid-weight ULTRAFIL polyester construction, as well as double layered shoulders, black interlock neck trim, reinforced stitching on the shoulders and armholes, with black cuffs and white polyester mesh gusset inserts for better ventilation. Below the gussets, the jersey will be black. The flying wheel chest crest will feature a black drop shadow, and the jersey will have black player numbers under the white player name. Piping across the shoulders will be reflective white.

The new jersey, to be released after the Stanley Cup finals, will be available for purchase for fans who want to get a step ahead of the 2006-2007 season.

Honolulu_Blue 02-01-2006 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
speaking of Red Wings...
(from ESPN...I think it's an Insider Article. don't hate me).

Noting that in 1927, when known as the Detroit Falcons, the franchise had both red and black striping, the Red Wings have announced their new uniforms will contain black accents.

"The history of this franchise is very important to us, as are the fan’s desires." said owner Mike Ilitch. "We feel the fan want to see a more modern look. With Detroit’s Lions adding black with such great success recently, I thought it was only natural to bring the same look to the Red Wings."

Reebok designers worked with the Red Wings to bring a fresh look to the new style form-fitting jerseys. “The fan’s reception to the black practice jerseys was so overwhelmingly positive, we capitalized on that for the new design of the game jerseys.”

The jerseys are said to closely resemble the current practice jerseys, as Reebok has stated most NHL teams’ new jerseys will, but with black cuffs and collar and black panels under the white gusset inserts.

The new Red Wings home jersey will be red, and will feature a mid-weight ULTRAFIL polyester construction, as well as double layered shoulders, black interlock neck trim, reinforced stitching on the shoulders and armholes, with black cuffs and white polyester mesh gusset inserts for better ventilation. Below the gussets, the jersey will be black. The flying wheel chest crest will feature a black drop shadow, and the jersey will have black player numbers under the white player name. Piping across the shoulders will be reflective white.

The new jersey, to be released after the Stanley Cup finals, will be available for purchase for fans who want to get a step ahead of the 2006-2007 season.


sterlingice 02-01-2006 07:17 PM

Wait? You guys are changing your jerseys? That's just dumb

SI

Draft Dodger 02-01-2006 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
Wait? You guys are changing your jerseys? That's just dumb

SI


not those guys. ALL those guys...
Quote:

The jerseys are said to closely resemble the current practice jerseys, as Reebok has stated most NHL teams’ new jerseys will

reading also that logo changes are in store for not only Anaheim and Buffalo (these have been reported already) but also Boston and Washington.

this is going to suck. hard.

Draft Dodger 02-01-2006 07:24 PM

the practice jersey, for those who haven't seen them:


Schmidty 02-01-2006 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
speaking of Red Wings...
(from ESPN...I think it's an Insider Article. don't hate me).

Noting that in 1927, when known as the Detroit Falcons, the franchise had both red and black striping, the Red Wings have announced their new uniforms will contain black accents.

"The history of this franchise is very important to us, as are the fan’s desires." said owner Mike Ilitch. "We feel the fan want to see a more modern look. With Detroit’s Lions adding black with such great success recently, I thought it was only natural to bring the same look to the Red Wings."

Reebok designers worked with the Red Wings to bring a fresh look to the new style form-fitting jerseys. “The fan’s reception to the black practice jerseys was so overwhelmingly positive, we capitalized on that for the new design of the game jerseys.”

The jerseys are said to closely resemble the current practice jerseys, as Reebok has stated most NHL teams’ new jerseys will, but with black cuffs and collar and black panels under the white gusset inserts.

The new Red Wings home jersey will be red, and will feature a mid-weight ULTRAFIL polyester construction, as well as double layered shoulders, black interlock neck trim, reinforced stitching on the shoulders and armholes, with black cuffs and white polyester mesh gusset inserts for better ventilation. Below the gussets, the jersey will be black. The flying wheel chest crest will feature a black drop shadow, and the jersey will have black player numbers under the white player name. Piping across the shoulders will be reflective white.

The new jersey, to be released after the Stanley Cup finals, will be available for purchase for fans who want to get a step ahead of the 2006-2007 season.


Jesus wept. :(

Johnny93g 02-01-2006 07:55 PM

WTF...Boston, Detroit.....ugh, please say it aint so

Wolfpack 02-01-2006 09:49 PM

Even though I'm not a Detroit fan in the slightest, I still have to say, "Aw, hell naw!"

Lemme get this straight...it'll look like those practice jerseys, but with black instead of white in places? Ugh. Why can't classic things ever stay classic?

sterlingice 02-02-2006 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty
Jesus wept. :(

Why does Jesus care that Lucifer's team got a facelift (tho I suppose one could argue that New Jersey was his team)? ;)

SI

Sublime 2 02-02-2006 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
reading also that logo changes are in store for not only Anaheim and Buffalo (these have been reported already) but also Boston and Washington.


How can the B's do that!?!

Speaking of the Bruins, they are surging right now to make that last playoff spot atleast!

Draft Dodger 02-07-2006 03:43 PM

controversy? meet the NHL.

http://www.smart-guys-sports.com/?p=400

this one's gonna be a big'un

sterlingice 02-07-2006 04:20 PM

Oof. Not what the NHL needs unless this is a lot smaller than it looks :(

SI

Honolulu_Blue 02-07-2006 04:42 PM

I saw this on ESPN and TSN. Tocchet with his new bald head and goatee look really looks the part of a head of a big time gambling ring, doesn't he?

In any event, it doesn't look good, but so long as no NHL player/coach involved was betting on NHL games, I don't think the league will suffer too much. It does get a little dicey with Janet Jones involved. You never want Gretzkly near this kind of thing.

Interesting to see what comes of this.

Schmidty 02-08-2006 12:58 PM

I don't get this stuff:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...602080445/1053

All Legace does is win and play at a high level, but he has never gotten the credit that he deserves. I think it's totally unfair.

Draft Dodger 02-08-2006 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue
I saw this on ESPN and TSN. Tocchet with his new bald head and goatee look really looks the part of a head of a big time gambling ring, doesn't he?

In any event, it doesn't look good, but so long as no NHL player/coach involved was betting on NHL games, I don't think the league will suffer too much. It does get a little dicey with Janet Jones involved. You never want Gretzkly near this kind of thing.

Interesting to see what comes of this.


and the Gretzky thing is the problem. If Jones only bet on one game or something (USC fan, perhaps?) than that's one thing. If she's betting on a lot of games, you have to start wondering. Women, in general, do not bet on sports as much as men do, so right there you start thinking maybe they are in her name to protect her husband. then you have to ask how Gretzky has no idea that his spouse is gambling through one of his closest subordinates. doesn't seem very likely that he was in the dark.

Draft Dodger 02-08-2006 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty
I don't get this stuff:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...602080445/1053

All Legace does is win and play at a high level, but he has never gotten the credit that he deserves. I think it's totally unfair.


and yeah, Legace really does get jobbed. he's a good goaltender. Detroit impresses the hell out of me.

Honolulu_Blue 02-08-2006 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty
I don't get this stuff:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...602080445/1053

All Legace does is win and play at a high level, but he has never gotten the credit that he deserves. I think it's totally unfair.


I agree. Legace has played very well this year, especially at the begining of the season before he hurt his knee. He was stellar. He has regained much of his form of late as well.

That said, you've been a Wings fan for a long, long time Schmidty, so this sort of thing should not be new to you. I can't recall the last time there weren't concerns about the Wings' goaltender. Holland is right, even in 2002, when we had Hasek, there were people fretting. I recall many people referring to Hasek as HaSUCK. Ridiculous, I know. Remember the guy holding up that "I'm Sorry!" sign to Vernon in 1997? No one had faith in the goaltending back then either. Certainly no one had faith in 1998 when we won it with Osgood (who still gets no credit for that Cup). Even in '03 and '04 with CuJo in net, there were serious questions surrounding the goaltending.

I am usually more optimistic than most when it comes to the Wings, but other than 2002 - when the Wings had Hasek - I can't think of too many playoff series in recent memory other than the '97 Finals (the Hextall/Snow combination was pathetic) for sure and perhaps one or two more where I felt the Wings had the better goalie.

No one is going to have full faith in Legace until he performs exceptionally well in the playoffs and the Wings win some series with him in net. It's no fair, but that's how people are around here.

Honolulu_Blue 02-08-2006 10:25 PM

Just got back from the Wings game. They smoked the Predators. The Wings out shot them 20-2 in the 2nd period. Legace bagged his second shout out in as many games. It's good to see the Wings finally top Nashville and in commanding fashion. They even chased Voukon from the net after the 2nd.

sterlingice 02-09-2006 06:47 PM

From a hattrick fed:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Slightly-Used-Wa...ayphotohosting

I particularly like the "The seller ended this listing early because the item was lost or broken."

SI

sterlingice 02-10-2006 12:53 AM

Whoops- now I feel bad about posting that:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2325068

MONTREAL -- Montreal goalie Jose Theodore has tested positive for a banned substance in pre-Olympic screening because he was using a hair-growth drug that can be used as a masking agent, the Canadiens' team doctor said Thursday.

SI

Young Drachma 02-10-2006 01:06 AM

Personally, I think the media is giddy over the gambling talk because they feel upset that the NHL has managed to come back strong and maybe they think this will finally send the sport north.

Do we really think Bettman cares? From the standpoint that it sullies the league, yeah. But from the perspective that anyone would actually CARE about NHL games enough to bet on them, says the league is doing something right.

lol.

But seriously, if this sting just started and there was no NHL season last year, seems sorta difficult for them to have bet on NHL games. So it has to be just games in other sports. But who cares about that?

Is it just the obvious links to organized crime? Seems odd to me, but that the NHL is gonna take the fall for something that's not even on their radar and completely over the heads of say, Tocchet and Gretzky and Co.

Still, sad to see it all happening at this point.

Honolulu_Blue 02-10-2006 06:52 AM

It seems people are more concerned about what could of have been happening as opposed to what appears to have happened. A lot of what I've been reading and hearing is people claiming that it's never good to have professional athletes tied up in something like this because it could connect them to a certain element, either organized crime or other big time gamblers. The theory goes, as I understand it, that a hockey player could make some bets on football, lose some money, and in an attempt to make some money back may give some "insider information" to a another (non-NHL affiliated) gambler about his team's injuries or something like that.

I don't know about all that. That seems to take things a hypothetical step or two too far. I also heard some guy on the radio in Detroit saying some stupid stuff about how this taints everything because everyone knows everyone. In the 3 minutes I listened to him he all of a sudden had Sergei Fedorov possibly involved simply because Mike Barnett (GM of the Coyotes) was once his agent. It's this kind of thinking that gets people worked up.

Unless it comes out that someone within in the NHL was betting on NHL games, I'm just not that worried about this. Is it great? No. Does it tarnish the image of the NHL? Yeah, a bit it does. I don't think it will turn off any current fans or dissuade any potential fans. There have been significantly worse betting scandals in most major sports and they survived.

sterlingice 02-10-2006 01:19 PM

Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as that big of a deal?

SI

Honolulu_Blue 02-10-2006 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
Am I the only one who just doesn't see this as that big of a deal?

SI


Nope. As it stands, I don't see this as a big deal at all. If it comes out that NHL people were betting on NHL games, that will change. But, at the moment, no. Tempest in a teapot for the most part. Slow sports news week too.

Honolulu_Blue 02-10-2006 01:24 PM

While I've never been enamoured with the guy as a player, but these are some good quotes.

"Wait until next year, with Malkin, Crosby and Roy. It'll be good line." - Penguins enforcer Andre Roy

"What's the matter with that? I have a Tonya Harding picture on my helmet." - Penguins enforcer Andre Roy, in response to Ray Emery's Mike Tyson mask


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