America First

https://www.newsweek.com/betsy-devos...merica-1061960

or, ya know, provide clean water for Flint citizens.

Because avoiding taxes at all costs is the trump way to do things? Lets look at example M, Manafort.

2 words...Space Force!

Where can I sign up?

Two different words came to mind, but I don't want to be banned :) Just a totally stupid waste of money for a threat that is not and may never be there,

Well we just can't pay for universal healthcare. Do you know how much it wou... hey look Space Force! Let's spend bucketloads of money and do that!

I was hoping for Mega Force. :(

This administration will detain alien children from every corner of the galaxy.

LOL

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/polit...ens/index.html

Didn't know much about this until today. Trump is an equal-opportunity offender re: economic warfare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/10/turk...-convert-.html

At the height of the 2085 Mars War the economy is depleted. Key officials inside SPACE FORCE vote to establish a supply outpost at Notre Dame to keep it functional. To repay this debt the ND football permanently schedules SPACE FORCE, who runs the option. ND fans bitch online.

— Steven Godfrey (@38Godfrey) August 9, 2018

Its fascinating to me that China has built artificial islands. Without regards to the political and military issues, I think its pretty cool idea on its own. The engineering to do it must be amazing.

With regards to the political and military issues, don't see either side backing down. China has those islands now and they won't ever leave. A reoccurring hot spot for years to come.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/polit...ntl/index.html

Maybe we can do similar. Work with Qatar, Dubai etc. (whoever is friendly enough) and build an artificial island 14 miles (or is it 28 miles) away from any coast in the Gulf area. Save us money on a carrier fleet.

Even though she seems to claim otherwise about it not being about "race or ethnicity", I'm pretty sure Fox/she wouldn't be as vocal if it was all white immigrants from Europe.

I think she should just have stuck with illegal immigration and left the legal immigration part out of it. The legal part can be address with legislature (if your party is in power) and IMO we should gladly welcome and encourage the "brain drain" from other countries into the US.

White anxiety finds a home at Fox News

1 step closer to Republicans actually understanding the real reason they support their party.

Loyalty to our constitution, yet they bow down to a president who has waged war with the media.

And who has done everything he can to sidestep the Constitution.

Ingraham has been a white nationalist for some time. Look through her Twitter before she got the full-time Fox News gig. Tucker's been on the verge of busting out the 14 words.

My issue is the bullshit denial. If that's what you believe, so be it. Don't turn into a coward when someone calls you on it. Stand up for your fucking beliefs.

MAGA Force?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...mpression=true


Trump jr shares fake approval rating on Instagram

So the DNC was forced to serve WikiLeaks in their lawsuit against it, via Twitter because they had no other way. And judge allowed it:


DNC serves WikiLeaks with lawsuit via Twitter - CBS News

Okay back to space force...

If we're at the point where we are actually fighting aliens I can't see how some space Troopers are actually going to protect us. If they have the type of engineering that they can come to our solar system they are at least four or five hundred years ahead of us in technology and can completely destroy our pitiful race.

So I guess I don't get the point. This means probably that Trump has gotten actual information that aliens exist and he's attempting to put this plan into action to save us. Which is stupid, unless there's some garbage aliens. Or space Force will just be another government military welfare program. Contractors will get paid and the taxpayers will support the unnecessary contractors and the unnecessary people in the service of that branch

Or, space force could fight earth enemies launching satellite based attacks?

We aren't close to having technology to stop satellite launched missiles and even if we were the Air Force already has a space command.

But we;ll start with some branded Trump merchandise and the grift will continue to grow from there.

Do we really need to devote hundreds billions of dollars to this though?

Yeah, the money that that this requires is nowhere to be found. Seriously, we're already talking about military funding stretching the annual budget, how is this going to make that any better? I know there's a ton of 'black' money off the books for the military already. We don't just overpay for hammers for nothing. It's been going on literally forever, but this is a new, on the books expense, headed up by the pentagon, and I still don't know why this wouldn't simply be under the purview of the Air Force. Doesn't really make any sense. We can do all kinds of R&D underground in Nevada, and launch all kinds of things, why go through the process of an on the books, incredibly expensive military expansion? I'm beginning to think that there's something to this whole 'perpetual war' plan.

Don't think she has a lot of credibility and even if the N-word accusation is true, it won't impact much. She claims to have other tapes, hopefully those contain something more interesting.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...n-word-n899581

Either she knew he was a racist who used the n-word and supported him in his run for the White House, or she is lying about him using the n-word.





Either way, bye, Felicia.

The Robert A Heinlein in me wants to support this Space Force.

So far they are asking for $8B for next year and who knows for the future. The budget will obviously grow but if the public really doesn't like it, they'll have a chance to stop it in mid-terms and next Presidential election.

As for why not the Air Force? The equivalence I see are companies that keep incubation projects separate from rest of company which leaves behind the baggage, fosters creativity and new ways of thinking. I don't know if this is what Trump is thinking but its not an outrageous request to me. TBH, I could go either way here.

The bottom line to me is - other countries (e.g. China) will likely go there (if not already) and if we need the $8B for the initial planning year, I'm good with it and rather be ahead of the curve.

Re: perpetual war, I was thinking yesterday after reading about Turkey that Trump is fighting a "perpetual economic war". Trump is playing with Turkey (and China and Canada and EU and Russia) and he is engaging in constant economic warfare.

Naming the book UNHINGED probably doesn't help.

I don't have any problem with "Space Force" but Trump has divided the nation to the point that most of those who support him will support anything he does and most of those who oppose him will oppose anything he does. If Obama had been the one that came out with this idea and it had been presented to the public in the "normal" way, it would have received a lot more support from the mainstream media and the left but then the right would have complained about how it's wasteful government spending.

That framing is based on a faulty assumption. No other administration, Dem or GOP, would have made a decision in this manner. We don't know why Trump started talking about a space force, maybe a donor fed him the idea or he saw something on television or it came to him in the shower, but we do know that there was no decision making process. There were no meetings, no threat assessments, no resource allocation studies. Trump just started talking about a space force at rallies.

The initial Pentagon response was, we don't know what he's talking about. Later, multiple reports say Pentagon officials mostly believe this is not needed and wasteful. Even after Pence announced the creation of Space Force there isn't a mission or parameters on responsibilities.

So you can't say if a Dem... because if a Dem had suggested this, or a different Rep, it would have a foundation of study behind it to support the creation of a sixth branch.

I guarantee you there have been many things over the past 20 years that was implemented based on direction from the top without detailed study supporting it. The difference is other administrations have been much better at putting the lipstick on a pig.

This is the first new branch of the military in almost 230 years. There's no chance any other administration does this with minimal planning. To any other administration this would be a very serious decision involving a lot of planning along with an organized announcement. This administration sees it as an opportunity to sell hats and tshirts.

Not so much. The Air Force gained autonomy from the Army in the late '40s. You can quibble by saying 'well they began life as part of an existing service branch and the Space Force would be its own command, sure.

But it still became a distinct service branch and has its own Cabinet-level official, something that isn't true for, say, the Marines.

So not quite 230 years. :)

Sure, but those tend to be decisions with much less impact, put this on the letter, hire this person, etc. This is a very big change with repercussions possible for decades. Doing that without any study is nuts.

The Space Force thing is about getting defense contractors paid. And this country has a soft spot for massive spending failures when it comes to the military. So even if it ends up being a dud, no one will care.


I'm so tired of hearing about her and that Avanetti guy.

We should really be able to get people into space before we start worrying about creating a space force.

Yeah, we're still hitching rides on Russian rockets to get men to the ISS. But in two years we'll have Space Fighters?

It'll probably end up like SDI. Hopefully some good science is gained through all of it. I mean SDI was a colossal failure but there was a lot of physic research gathered from it.

Seems unlikely that any space fighter force would be more than drones-in-space at this juncture.

Nothing excites me more than blowing a bunch of shit up in low earth orbit.



Also, I'm pretty sure this is what happened in the TMNT RPG.

We do need space drones probably

So, I have an idea...

He had a lot of mishaps but his predecessor was not better :D
https://stylufka.pl/elementarz-korea...krok-po-kroku/

It seems like Space Force is mostly defense and operation of our satellite infrastructure. Silly name for it you ask me makes everyone think we are going to go around space MAGAing everywhere.

Putting weapons in space dismantles most of the non-proliferation structure.

Not to mention violating a few treaties but since when has THAT stopped this Administration?