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I like to see the Libertarians go after the Republicans instead of just throwing their hands up in the air and saying, "ehh, they're close enough". I wish more liberals reacted the same way to the Democratic party.
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Um, the equivalent of Liberals to Democrats would be Conservatives to Republicans. A true Libertarian wouldn't say "they're close enough" about Republicans, because they would be equally far away from both parties, just on different issues. But I'm amused that you found some way to criticize liberals while responding to an article that was about Libertarians and Republicans. And if you want to see Liberals complaining about Democrats, then read Daily Kos. |
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I actually took a look at the Daily Kos, and ya, the Democrats are really taking a beating over there....:lol: -GOP congressman, media pick fight with television character -GOP Pledge architect admits the big hole in the GOP Pledge -WV-Sen: Republican Raes--"I made my money the old-fashioned way, I inherited it." -Gingrich doubles down, accuses President of being anti-American -Boehner's bluff on a GOP budget (Those are the first 5 headlines - but at least I now know where the some of the resident liberals get many of their thoughts, while accusing MBBF of doing the same thing from his team's blogs. I don't know how anybody can read anything like that on either side - there's zero thought involved and the presented opinion is 100% predictable no matter the issue - "our team right and awesome - their team dumb and retarded. Soliders, to the message boards!!!!") And yes, there's plenty of Republicans who claim to be about restrained and responsible government when the party clearly isn't, and the outspoken individual ideas about responsible government are just kind of dishonest. I didn't think that was a disputable point. I love to see any indication that there's more than two ways to think in this country. |
Well, that's something, I admit. I was told to look at Daily Koz, did, and saw an orgy of partisian blame (for a second I thought Bush and a Republican Congress must have somehow taken power again). I certainly admire the gay rights and health care advocates, in particular, who smell a rat in the Obama administration.
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I never suggested that the majority of Daily Kos posts attacked Democrats, but they will attack Democrats for rolling over, much in the same way Stewart mostly goes after Republicans, but often attacks Democrats for being stupid, too. I don't care that MBBF posts from any blog, only that he pretends to be some kind of non-partisan moderate (much like you do) while he does that. Quote:
What does that have to do with what I said. You somehow drew a parallel saying Libertarians : Republicans is the same as Liberals : Democrats. I'm sure Libertarians would not be happy to hear that you think they are nothing more than conservative Republicans. That was my point. And yes it is nice to see more than two ways of looking at things. But it sure is funny to see you mention that when you're the one that found a way to criticize liberals in response to a post that had nothing to do with them at all. |
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heh, you mean look beyond the propaganda value for insightful thought? If I'm not mistaken, once you've done that, you've left the voting block the headlines are being framed for. |
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A better comparison would be Greens and they bitch about the Dems all the time. And they cost Al Gore the presidency, but that probably doesn't matter. |
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Republicans are fiscally liberal and socially conservative, which would seem to go against everything they believe. Democrats aren't much better, but I think Libertarians really have little in common with today's parties. |
I think of Democrats as a bunch of tree hugging hippies that think happy thoughts will make everything better, but, we all know they are not really doing anything to help.
I think of Republicans as Ted Nugent, Jerry Falwell and and that one uncle you're embarrassed to have in your family, when you all go out in public. Then all 3 of them point out how wrong you are on just about any subject, just to be combative, in front of everyone. I see the Libertarians as those parents that let their kids do anything and then blame everyone else because they were behaving badly and say, "Well, that's not something we would teach them to do", while not realizing they are living in a fantasy world of parenting. /sarcasm |
I don't think there's been any mention of this here. From Glenn Greenwald
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Truly a frightening overreach of government powers. This is why it's important to fight these kinds of expanding war powers regardless of the letter behind the name of the president. Accepting the growth of war powers only leads to greater expansion. And now we're at a point where the declaration that the president can execute Americans at will and any mention of that decision is classified a state secret can't even make the nightly news. |
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Sure, but you'd think the focus on blaming the other team would die down a bit when the other team isn't even in power any more (and by the opinion of many, growing more and more irrelevant.) When you don't have Bush to kick around, the whining just looks like deflection. Why should anyone vote for any Democrats if the evil Republicans will just keep them from saving the world anyway? |
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+1000. This is where we need the liberals to defend civil liberties. All of my conservative friends laugh at me when I ask why they aren't outraged at shit like this. Then the usually give me some version of "We are at war" or "This is for Al Quida, they would never be this out in the open if they were going to use this on Americans..." I know it is an internet no-no to invoke the Nazi's but you have to agree that they were unparalleled at using human psychology to achieve their means.... “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over” Joseph Goebbels |
Obama's record on civil liberties is incredible disappointing. There's no doubt about it.
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Also, isn't killing a person kind of anti-Christian? That thing Obama claims to be?
This is proof that Obama is a Muslim because everyone knows that muslims love killing people. |
I don't understand why Rahm is doing this. Chief of staff is much more prestigious, powerful, allows more future positioning etc. than mayor?
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More likely that he's leaving because he's had enough of the WH (and likely that much of the WH has had enough of him). Rumors to that affect have been circulating for months. Rahm Emanuel expected to quit White House - Telegraph His Rahm-page Through Washington Comes to an End - By Jim Geraghty - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online |
If your goal is elected office Chief of Staff isn't the place to be. How many Chiefs of Staff can you name? It's a powerful position, but a behind the scenes position.
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More of them are memorable/recognizable than you might think at first. List of White House Chiefs of Staff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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Because we're too distracted by all the non-news that has been puffed up into news by the blogosphere. The "Ground Zero Mosque" and all that BS. Regardless...I'm disgusted by these developments and I'm not about to try to defend this administration's record on civil liberties at all. Talk about demoralizing the Democratic base. |
Sununu and McLarty are two of the worst in history. I've never been a Rahm fan and I'm glad to see him go.
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Well according to Obama People need to buck up and go vote. |
What are the odds the Republicans nominate someone that me, a RINO, would be interested in supporting? Or is this just going to be a hold-your-nose-and-vote thing like 2004?
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I think your only shot is Romney, but I'm still not convinced the religious conservative wing of the GOP would allow that. |
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Romney. Blah. |
I think I'd rather vote Romney than any of the pseudo-Tea Party candidates. There is a chance that if Romney wins, he'll just govern completely differently than he campaigned and act like a moderate.
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That's true - and I suspect he would. He's all about getting elected/staying elected. So he'll do whatever he thinks he has to in order to make that happen. Which kinda is a bit...i dunno...wishy-washy? without any real convictions? |
Haha, DT point me to a politician with real convictions (I'll give you Paul).
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That is one of the reasons that primary voters aren't all that keen on him. And the #1 charge against him. |
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Oh I know. Romney just isn't very good at disguising it. |
Romney campaigns like he's still the CEO of a large conglomerate. He always seems to be telling groups, "What do you need from me to make this deal?"
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I wouldn't disagree with that take, it's one of the reasons I don't quite trust him even when he says the right things. |
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If those are my two choices, I'll just stay home. Scratch that - I'll stay home if Romney is the choice, I'll vote Obama if the "Tea Party" gets someone in the election... No wait, Scratch THAT - New Jersey is safely for Obama, my vote doesn't matter. |
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Vote anyways please? |
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Shocking. We agree on this. |
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Agreed. |
That's probably the best way to express Romney's shift on positions. He's in his CEO mindset.
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Amazing how liberals have gone from 'I'm voting to ensure change!' to 'Please vote!' in less than two years. |
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Actually I just feel that people should excercise their civic duties, but that doesn't fit your narrative. |
Colbert nailed it last night.
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In my view Romney is a Republican version of Al Gore. I don't mean they have the same ideology, but they basically are the same type of politician. I got to experience the misfortune of Al Gore in Tennessee and the misfortune of Romney in Massachusetts. Both are snake oil's salesmen. They may or may not have good intentions or good ideas, or even ideas that you agree with. You just won't ever know because no matter what they say, they likely don't mean it. I'm not ashamed to admit that I voted Bush over Gore and would do so again every day of the week. (I did vote for Kerry and not Bush in the next election) If that is any indication on how low on the totem pole Gore was for anyone that got to experience him representing you in office. Likewise if Romney was a candidate to choose from, it effectively would seal my vote for whomever is running against him. I understand the old jokes about how to tell if a politician is lying... he's moving his mouth. These two just take it to the next level and would try to sell your mother's car to you if they could. |
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C'mon now. Let's be sincere here. Conservatives don't have to do much of anything other than point to Obama to get the vote out this year. Plenty of motivation there and it's going to be a heavy conservative turnout. There's only one side begging for turnout this year. |
Actually, I think that's a great comparison. Romney went way left trying to unseat Kennedy (saying he was better on gay rights than Kennedy!). Then he moved hard right in trying to get the nomination. Meanwhile, people forget that Al Gore was actually the insurgent conservative candidate in 1988. He was the guy that was there to stop yet another northeastern liberal from getting nominated and was supposed to be one of the first beneficiaries of the super Tuesday format. The plan backfired because with Jackson's presence in the race, the southern states were split. Gore certainly moved left from then, to the point where he endorsed Dean in 2004.
And to those that think I'm a mindless Obama supporter, I think Dean would've been ten times the President that Obama has been and Rahm's irrational hatred of the Dean is one of the many reasons I'm glad he will soon be gone from the White House. |
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I'd totally agree with this. |
Pfft, you don't have to go as far as Dean. Hillary would have been better President. She's got more balls than Obama.
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Like I said - don't let my actual reason get in the way of your convenient narrative. |
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To keep up with the trend, as someone who lived under Governor Dean, I give him a hearty MEH. I find it strange that some people are so passionate about his potential as a president. He was a very disappointing governor. |
Dean was one of the few Democrats that realized they needed to find a way to win back working class moderates, especially in the South and other red areas. This was at the same time Kerry was claiming he could win the Presidency without the South. Dean wasn't exactly subtle about it for sure, but at least he was smart enough to realize that you don't ignore large regions of the country forever, and then expect them to ever vote for you. That's why, as DNC chair, he started giving lots of money to state chairs in red states, which pissed off people like Rahm and Carville, but ultimately proved successful in 06 and 08.
Plus, I think he's more of his own man than someone like Obama, who I feel is listening to some historically bad advice and apparently not having the backbone to dismiss it and go it his way. I think Dean is more likely to be that type of person. He seems not to care as much what people think about him and would be more willing to risk losing a re-election bid than placating people. And I admire a guy who had to wear a bulletproof vest because he signed a same sex union bill into law. Since Dean was replaced as DNC Chair, the Rahm picked successor Tim Kaine sat there and watched as a Dem totally tanked the Mass. Senate race. Not an encouraging sign of things to come. |
So is it even possible to be genuine public servant, have unique perspectives on the country and government, not be indebted to the machines that helped you along the way, have the skill and fortitude to actually promote and enact your vision, and still get elected to major public office? That must be a very short list.
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