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QuikSand 04-24-2020 12:32 PM

He also, incidentally, does not actually understand what "sarcastically" means.

ISiddiqui 04-24-2020 12:32 PM

Well this is just great:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...loan-treasury/

Quote:

“The Post Office is a joke," Trump told reporters. "The Post Office should raise the price [of package delivery] four times.”

Trump recently signed a law that allowed the cash-strapped U.S. Postal Service to borrow $10 billion from the Treasury Department. The Post has reported that the White House wants to force changes at USPS as part of the terms of the loan. Trump confirmed on Friday that one of those new conditions is a requirement that the Postal Service raise prices.

“If they don’t raise the price, I’m not signing anything.”

He said that he won’t allow Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to approve the loan if prices aren’t raised.

Brian Swartz 04-24-2020 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It's fine, Trump says he was just being sarcastic.


I think this is worse than if he was serious. How can anyone old enough to be out of kidnergarten not know that it's totally, completely, and in all other ways inappropriate to make this kind of a joke on this kind of a topic.

Against strong competition, I'm not sure this isn't the worst thing he's done as president.

Lathum 04-24-2020 12:48 PM

Come on guy, learn to take a joke. If the leader of a nation approaching 50K deaths and economic destruction can't joke about drinking bleach what can he joke about?

thesloppy 04-24-2020 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3277210)
Against strong competition, I'm not sure this isn't the worst thing he's done as president.


Similarly, I was thinking that he's probably done or said things that are morally worse, but if judging for just plain stupidity, this might be his high-water mark. I thought that months or years ago I had reached the point where nothing Trump could do or say could truly shock/stump me anymore, but this whole inject-the-light thing has really broken through that glass floor.

JPhillips 04-24-2020 01:11 PM

And he's so unwilling to admit mistakes that in the long quote he keeps going back and forth from, it was sarcastic, to, but it might work.

MIJB#19 04-24-2020 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3277002)
Also boomers can never make fun of young people for eating Tide Pods again.

Not this "boomer" non-sense again. Stupidity is of all ages.

Thomkal 04-24-2020 02:28 PM

So not surprisingly, some wrote Trump a letter extolling industrial bleach as a cure-all for the virus:

Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week | World news | The Guardian

sterlingice 04-24-2020 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3277238)
So not surprisingly, some wrote Trump a letter extolling industrial bleach as a cure-all for the virus:

Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week | World news | The Guardian


Was it a donor or snake oil peddler on OANN?

SI

Thomkal 04-24-2020 02:39 PM

Both most likely, but definitely a peddler

albionmoonlight 04-24-2020 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3277238)
So not surprisingly, some wrote Trump a letter extolling industrial bleach as a cure-all for the virus:

Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week | World news | The Guardian


You know, I am already tired of all the "This is how crazy it was on the inside!" books that will come out after this presidency is over.

People who are in a position to stop him or to leave in protest are sticking around, and they will then ease their conscience (and make a lot of money) by writing a book after it is over telling us that "we shouldn't put a crazy guy in charge again!"

CrimsonFox 04-24-2020 02:42 PM


AlexB 04-24-2020 02:45 PM

This is brilliant!

@kyscottt

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♬ original sound - iampeterchao

NobodyHere 04-24-2020 02:50 PM

So we had a guy come in to my work to place an order. He was complaining that he was out of business (he rented cold drink machines to parties or something).

Then he went on a rant that a bunch of Obama appointees who never took an economics class was hamstringing the president.

Then he mentioned that he wanted coronavirus now (instead of possibly getting it the summer when lockdowns might lifted) and asked if we knew any big-boobed women with the virus that he could kiss.

Sadly I don't know any.

RainMaker 04-24-2020 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3277238)
So not surprisingly, some wrote Trump a letter extolling industrial bleach as a cure-all for the virus:

Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week | World news | The Guardian


The bleach thing has been around for awhile in anti-vaxxer and autism circles. Think they use "bleach enemas" on their kids. Trump has dabbled in anti-vax stuff so not terribly surprising that he'd come across this stuff either online or through contacts.

Plus the bleach thing has been around for awhile now in right-wing circles. It's a part of the Qanon thing. Alan Keyes and some others were selling bleach cures for other things too.

I don't think it was something that just came out of the blue.

JPhillips 04-24-2020 03:26 PM

The Navy is recommending reinstatement for Crozier, but the final decision will be made by the Sec. Def.

MIJB#19 04-24-2020 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3277026)
Holy shit I just saw the quotes. Is he seriously suggesting injecting bleach and and putting an ultraviolet light inside the body to treat COVID?

"I'm a person who has a good [cuckoo gesture] you know what".


Speechless.

JPhillips 04-24-2020 03:55 PM

Dr. Birx defends Trump:

Quote:

When he gets new information, he likes to talk that through out loud and really have that dialogue and so that’s what dialogue he was having. I think he just saw the information at the time immediately.. and he was still digesting that information

While also being sarcastic, right?

Atocep 04-24-2020 04:10 PM

The conservative subreddit spent the bulk of yesterday trying to come up with what he was really trying to say only for Trump to claim he was being sarcastic.

It amazes me that with as often as he does this that they even bother at this point.

sterlingice 04-24-2020 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3277263)
Dr. Birx defends Trump:

While also being sarcastic, right?


Dr. Birx, blink once if you're safe. Blink twice if you need help.

SI

albionmoonlight 04-24-2020 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3277266)
The conservative subreddit spent the bulk of yesterday trying to come up with what he was really trying to say only for Trump to claim he was being sarcastic.

It amazes me that with as often as he does this that they even bother at this point.


So many people have spent so much time over the last four years trying to understand Trump's words and attack or defend him.

It is very very simple:

He's (1) not that smart,
(2) impulsive, and
(3) an external processor.

That's it. That explains 99% of the "crazy" stuff he says. Boring but true.

booradley 04-24-2020 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3277269)
Dr. Birx, blink once if you're safe. Blink twice if you need help.

SI


Ha ha ha! Best laugh I've had all day - thanks! :D

Thomkal 04-24-2020 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3277269)
Dr. Birx, blink once if you're safe. Blink twice if you need help.

SI


I don't know if this is what you were talking about here, but I saw some video of her on Twitter when Trump starting go on about disinfectants. Pretty funny (and sad)

Lathum 04-24-2020 07:23 PM


Thomkal 04-24-2020 08:58 PM

Trump announced today he would be speaking at West Point's commencement. This was news to West Point, who are now summoning 1000 cadets back to NY for the address after they were sent home because of the virus

Edward64 04-25-2020 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3277306)
I don't know if this is what you were talking about here, but I saw some video of her on Twitter when Trump starting go on about disinfectants. Pretty funny (and sad)


I saw a video showing her sitting to the right side of Trump as he was talking about it. TBH the video wasn't that great and I really couldn't see her reaction to it.

However, there is no doubt in my mind she was thinking WTF?

albionmoonlight 04-25-2020 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3277313)


I am not sure how Wisconsin protests tend to go, but that does not look like "a lot of people" to me. I work right next to the NC capitol building, and most protests are a lot bigger than that.

Butter 04-25-2020 08:42 AM

Estimates between 1 and 2k

Lathum 04-25-2020 09:32 AM

I would say given the exponential spread of this virus that is a lot of people jammed close together.

Edward64 04-25-2020 05:28 PM

Seems to be more smoke that the crazy NK kid is dead, coma etc. Not sure what will happen next if he really is gone but should be interesting.

Izulde 04-25-2020 07:08 PM

His sister takes over. And from what I've heard, she's actually intelligent and has a good relationship with the military.

JPhillips 04-25-2020 07:57 PM

Fucking nuts.

Quote:

To accommodate Trump’s sudden decision to speak at West Point, cadets will be called back, tested off campus, then isolated for 14 days in rooms with masks. They’ll eat in segregated groups. No decision on whether family members may attend.

QuikSand 04-25-2020 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3277486)
Fucking nuts.


I can't improve upon that analysis.

Atocep 04-25-2020 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3277486)
Fucking nuts.


It's been 2 and a half months since his last rally. Gotta scratch that itch somehow.

QuikSand 04-25-2020 08:00 PM

He's been holding a 'Rona Rally every afternoon...

Atocep 04-25-2020 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3277490)
He's been holding a 'Rona Rally every afternoon...


This will have 1000 people contractually obligated to cheer though.

Lathum 04-25-2020 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3277486)
Fucking nuts.


you have a source for this?

Atocep 04-25-2020 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3277495)
you have a source for this?


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/u...est-point.html

Lathum 04-25-2020 08:32 PM

thanks

Thomkal 04-25-2020 09:47 PM

Trump has tweeted that he's not even sure why he's having these press conferences if all the media are going to do is ask nothing but hostile questions:

"What is the purpose of having White House News Conferences when the Lamestream Media asks nothing but hostile questions, & then refuses to report the truth or facts accurately. They get record ratings, & the American people get nothing but Fake News. Not worth the time & effort!"

Americans are in quarantine or dying and he can't be bothered to hold news conferences anymore because he's not being praised enough for his altogether inadequate response to the pandemic.

So that's why there was no news conference today and none scheduled for tomorrow.

JPhillips 04-25-2020 09:52 PM

In a different timeline Pence would be the President and his 65% approval rating would put GOP control of the House into play.

AlexB 04-26-2020 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3277491)
This will have 1000 people contractually obligated to cheer though.


If you need an example of how USA resembles DPRK more and more, look no further

JPhillips 04-26-2020 03:39 PM

Trump is pissed today about all the reporters that won Noble Prizes for their Russian reporting.

albionmoonlight 04-26-2020 04:28 PM

Trump's just mad that he spent all that time in Russia and only won a Pee-body award.

Thomkal 04-26-2020 04:30 PM

oof

CarterNMA 04-26-2020 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3277563)
Trump's just mad that he spent all that time in Russia and only won a Pee-body award.


Heyo! That, my friends, is comedy gold.

albionmoonlight 04-26-2020 04:46 PM


Atocep 04-26-2020 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3277561)
Trump is pissed today about all the reporters that won Noble Prizes for their Russian reporting.


Ignoring the Nobel/Pulitzer thing, when record sales drop it's always safe to release a greatest hits album. This has to be at least 500 threats to investigate the fake news/lamestream media.

albionmoonlight 04-26-2020 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3277571)
Ignoring the Nobel/Pulitzer thing, when record sales drop it's always safe to release a greatest hits album. This has to be at least 500 threats to investigate the fake news/lamestream media.


My theory:

Trump's press conferences were hurting his numbers. And his people knew that. And they knew that they had to get him to stop. But you can't just tell the President (especially this president) that the problem is him.

So I am sure that they explained it to him as "You are awesome, sir. But the media is distorting you, so you need to stop giving so many press conferences."

So it would make sense that media hatred is at the front of his mind.

thesloppy 04-26-2020 05:36 PM

That's a solid theory.

JPhillips 04-26-2020 06:51 PM

Trump wants us to know how stupid we are:

Quote:

Does anybody get the meaning of what a so-called Noble (not Nobel) Prize is, especially as it pertains to Reporters and Journalists? Noble is defined as, “having or showing fine personal qualities or high moral principles and ideals.” Does sarcasm ever work?

RainMaker 04-26-2020 07:06 PM

Just a remarkably dumb human being. Will be impossible to describe this to future generations.

Atocep 04-26-2020 08:02 PM

It's like watching an Office episode where Michael learns what sarcasm is and starts using it as an excuse for everything he does.

Flasch186 04-27-2020 07:18 AM

It's certainly going to be hard to talk to future generations about the esteem that comes with 'winning' the presidency and the type of leadership required to win that sort of election. The pinnacle of characteristics found consistently in them...

and then there's this one outlier.

albionmoonlight 04-27-2020 10:03 AM

Washington Post did an analysis of Trump's speaking during his briefings. Apparently, out of 13 hours of talking, he spent 4.5 minutes expressing condolences for the victims.

I mean, that is just such an own goal. Getting up there and talking about how sorry you are for the losses of so many brave Americans is politics 101. I'm not saying you have to believe it. I imagine most politicians don't believe stuff like that. But you still say it. It makes you look human. It makes you look like you care. It dispels the idea that you are a narcissist.

It is kind of amazing (in a morbid way) that Trump has such little empathy that he can't even understand why faking empathy is important.

PilotMan 04-27-2020 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3277680)
Washington Post did an analysis of Trump's speaking during his briefings. Apparently, out of 13 hours of talking, he spent 4.5 minutes expressing condolences for the victims.

I mean, that is just such an own goal. Getting up there and talking about how sorry you are for the losses of so many brave Americans is politics 101. I'm not saying you have to believe it. I imagine most politicians don't believe stuff like that. But you still say it. It makes you look human. It makes you look like you care. It dispels the idea that you are a narcissist.

It is kind of amazing (in a morbid way) that Trump has such little empathy that he can't even understand why faking empathy is important.


He's a narcissist. I've been saying that since the election. Part of narcissism is the inability to have empathy and the other is genuinely believing that everything is indeed, about you. The inability of others to put a cover on him, has just further exaggerated this point. He's a textbook case.

Atocep 04-27-2020 11:26 AM

TIL the Lakers are a small business.

sterlingice 04-27-2020 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3277698)
TIL the Lakers are a small business.


If only there was a Congressionally approved Special Inspector General for Pandemic Recovery to oversee such a program.

You'd probably want to put one of those in any "bailout" bill. And only an imbecile or crook would get rid of such a thing.

SI

molson 04-27-2020 12:44 PM

It seems like the small business loans were intended to go to large corporations as well. There were so many ready to jump in. It's just a question of whether the Democrats didn't notice, were out-maneuvered, to accepted it as a concession.

Autumn 04-27-2020 01:11 PM

I've been waiting weeks for my small business loan, and we're talking about peanuts. If it runs out of money again before they get around to me, I'm going to be pissed.

Flasch186 04-27-2020 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3277713)
If only there was a Congressionally approved Special Inspector General for Pandemic Recovery to oversee such a program.

You'd probably want to put one of those in any "bailout" bill. And only an imbecile or crook would get rid of such a thing.

SI


It's ALL a con.

JPhillips 04-27-2020 03:23 PM

The IRS sending out letters from, "The White House" so that Trump can send his signature to every American is rather horse shitty.

stevew 04-27-2020 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3277718)
I've been waiting weeks for my small business loan, and we're talking about peanuts. If it runs out of money again before they get around to me, I'm going to be pissed.


Which one did you file? I did an EIDL but it looks like several hundred thousand applications need to be processed before mine.

QuikSand 04-27-2020 04:31 PM


RainMaker 04-27-2020 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3277718)
I've been waiting weeks for my small business loan, and we're talking about peanuts. If it runs out of money again before they get around to me, I'm going to be pissed.


Good luck. One business I have got the grant but hasn't heard a word since. PPP is mostly just going to big companies and those with connections to the banks. Something we don't have so I'm not even bothering anymore.

Autumn 04-27-2020 05:08 PM

I applied for a PPP loan during the first round but it ran out before they processed mine. I'm in queue now for the second round. I know they put a clause in this time to put more money towards small banks, which mine is, so I'm hoping that gives me a shot but I can't get any sense from my bank how far in the queue I am. I wish I just knew because I have to decide between that, and EIDL loan and unemployment.

RainMaker 04-27-2020 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3277811)
I applied for a PPP loan during the first round but it ran out before they processed mine. I'm in queue now for the second round. I know they put a clause in this time to put more money towards small banks, which mine is, so I'm hoping that gives me a shot but I can't get any sense from my bank how far in the queue I am. I wish I just knew because I have to decide between that, and EIDL loan and unemployment.


You'll never get that EIDL loan. I'd aim for PPP. Have you tried Paypal? Heard people having success there.

RainMaker 04-27-2020 05:16 PM

What the hell


RainMaker 04-27-2020 05:18 PM


stevew 04-27-2020 05:19 PM

I filed for the pandemic unemployment a week ago. We’ll see how long that takes to even get a determination. My tax refund for this year has been held up for 60+ days now because of a reporting glitch by one of my wife’s W2 forms. It’s all an annoying shit show. I was doing a lot of food delivery for awhile but that shit makes you want to strangle people.

RainMaker 04-27-2020 05:22 PM

Fed bailed out Carnival Cruise. A company incorporated in Panama that flies foreign flags.


NobodyHere 04-27-2020 05:44 PM

Well I hope the debt we've incurred was worth it.

kingfc22 04-28-2020 09:09 AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/smal...chin-says.html

It’s almost as if there should have been an IG overseeing this from the get-go.

Kodos 04-28-2020 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3277820)
Fed bailed out Carnival Cruise. A company incorporated in Panama that flies foreign flags.



God, those fucking bastards. Incorporate outside the U.S. to not pay taxes, but then put your hands out for a bailout. :banghead:

JPhillips 04-28-2020 10:09 AM

Hoyer says the House is going to take at least one more week off before returning to Washington. It's a good thing nothing needs to be done right now.

JPhillips 04-28-2020 10:31 AM

dola

Trump DoJ argued today that a President could pay for everyone's health insurance without Congressional approval and Congress would have no standing to sue.

That certainly would make Medicare for All easier.

JPhillips 04-28-2020 11:01 AM

triple dola

Damn, Weaver and Wilson sure do know how to make advertisements.


sterlingice 04-28-2020 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3277920)
God, those fucking bastards. Incorporate outside the U.S. to not pay taxes, but then put your hands out for a bailout. :banghead:


Yet, I haven't heard a peep out of our "protectionist" president

SI

Brian Swartz 04-28-2020 11:17 AM

I'm against bailing out the cruise lines in general, but I don't get why it matters that they incorporated outside the US. Either it's important to bail them out for the good of the greater economy or it isn't, and where they incorporate isn't relevant to that decision.

NobodyHere 04-28-2020 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3277937)
dola

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3277941)
triple dola


Wow, you bypassed the double dola and then went straight to the triple dola!

That's a serious breach in protocol :p

albionmoonlight 04-28-2020 11:52 AM

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/polit...sts/index.html

What is truth? said jesting Pilate

Lathum 04-28-2020 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3277946)
I'm against bailing out the cruise lines in general, but I don't get why it matters that they incorporated outside the US. Either it's important to bail them out for the good of the greater economy or it isn't, and where they incorporate isn't relevant to that decision.


Because they don't pay US taxes and hardly employee US citizens? How is it any different than bailing out some resort in the Dominican Republic?

Brian Swartz 04-28-2020 12:03 PM

It's not any different. When it comes to the economy, we're at least 20 years past the point where it makes sense to think nationally. The economy and larger corporations themselves are global. Our money should go where it's best to minimize damage to the overall economy, because there's no such thing as our economy doing well if the global economy isn't.

QuikSand 04-28-2020 12:07 PM

Florida a swing state tho, and undecided voters love them some 7NC

BYU 14 04-28-2020 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3277964)
It's not any different. When it comes to the economy, we're at least 20 years past the point where it makes sense to think nationally. The economy and larger corporations themselves are global. Our money should go where it's best to minimize damage to the overall economy, because there's no such thing as our economy doing well if the global economy isn't.


My biggest issue it is that the money is much better spent on small businesses here, many of which are getting shafted on this stimulus bailout. At the end of the day, not being able to take a cruise on a foreign owned entity is not going to devastate the global economy like thousands of small businesses going under will harm ours.

It just increases the disparity between big and small business sector. Local family owned businesses are such a value to community and it kills me to see so many of them fall by the wayside while the CEO's of big corporations profit from this.

We give a 100 a week to a local family business, whether it be leaving 100 tip on a takeout to split between employees, or sending through paypal to others (The Jiu Jitsu academy I train at as an example) I know that is an almost insignificant drop in the bucket, but we do it because we value them. I wish our Government felt the same way.

Lathum 04-28-2020 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3277964)
It's not any different. When it comes to the economy, we're at least 20 years past the point where it makes sense to think nationally. The economy and larger corporations themselves are global. Our money should go where it's best to minimize damage to the overall economy, because there's no such thing as our economy doing well if the global economy isn't.


But who gives a rip of carnival goes out of business? If there is the demand someone else will fill it and maybe they will fly under a US flag, pay taxes, etc...

These cruise lines for years have skirted the system to their benefit and now they want a bail out, screw that.

Flasch186 04-28-2020 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3277964)
It's not any different. When it comes to the economy, we're at least 20 years past the point where it makes sense to think nationally. The economy and larger corporations themselves are global. Our money should go where it's best to minimize damage to the overall economy, because there's no such thing as our economy doing well if the global economy isn't.


but 'nationalism' is a core tenant of any of the admin's decisions. So they can't have it both ways...or shouldn't anyways

QuikSand 04-28-2020 02:00 PM

You can't make this shit up...





I mean... I'm sure this has been vetted through focus groups of fuckwits self-identifying as open to voting for Trump... so the "look masculine and authoritative, not sissified and weak" is very much a mood. Oh, and fuck the sick people, who gives a fuck about them. Just jam eleventy people in the tiny room for the photo op, and let the boss be a boss without a mask because reasons.

JPhillips 04-28-2020 02:03 PM

I bet Trump has either ordered senior people to go without masks, or he's talked about them so much that they know not to wear them.

albionmoonlight 04-28-2020 02:20 PM

The sad part is that when I saw "Mayo Clinic" trending on twitter, I thought it was going to be announcing some amazing antiviral or vaccine breakthrough.

QuikSand 04-28-2020 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3278003)
The sad part is that when I saw "Mayo Clinic" trending on twitter, I thought it was going to be announcing some amazing antiviral or vaccine breakthrough.


Sucker. Everything is a con.

kingfc22 04-28-2020 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 3277971)
but 'nationalism' is a core tenant of any of the admin's decisions. So they can't have it both ways...or shouldn't anyways


Thanks for pointing this out. Figured this was obvious to all...

Flasch186 04-28-2020 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3278009)
Thanks for pointing this out. Figured this was obvious to all...


It's hard to see the truth for people when the gaslight is literally on the end of your F'n nose.

Edward64 04-28-2020 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3277968)
But who gives a rip of carnival goes out of business? If there is the demand someone else will fill it and maybe they will fly under a US flag, pay taxes, etc...

These cruise lines for years have skirted the system to their benefit and now they want a bail out, screw that.


I agree with this. If carnival goes out of business, someone will pick up the pieces and there will still be US staff.

I can see where we make exceptions for national security (e.g. maybe a pharma company that have viable vaccine/therapy candidates) but not for a cruise line.

AlexB 04-28-2020 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3278003)
The sad part is that when I saw "Mayo Clinic" trending on twitter, I thought it was going to be announcing some amazing antiviral or vaccine breakthrough.


Mmmmm, mayo clinic.... drool....

RainMaker 04-28-2020 05:00 PM

Carnival wouldn't even go out of business. They would just file bankruptcy and emerge from that. That is how this should work.

albionmoonlight 04-28-2020 05:12 PM

I've been very impressed with the NC Governor through all this.

He's a Democrat running a slightly red-leaning state, but he's managing to keep things pretty balanced and people pretty happy from what I can tell.

albionmoonlight 04-28-2020 07:59 PM



The Bernie/AOC crowd thinks that this country is ready for socialism.

This country just tried liberalism for about two weeks and freaked the fuck out and cried uncle.

Brian Swartz 04-28-2020 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BYU14
My biggest issue it is that the money is much better spent on small businesses here, many of which are getting shafted on this stimulus bailout. At the end of the day, not being able to take a cruise on a foreign owned entity is not going to devastate the global economy like thousands of small businesses going under will harm ours.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum
who gives a rip of carnival goes out of business? If there is the demand someone else will fill it


I don't know how I've managed to not be clear on this - I think my previous posts are explicit - but I agree that the money is better spent elsewhere. I'm just saying that should be the argument, not the irrelevant part about it being a foreign-owned entity.

cuervo72 04-28-2020 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3278090)
The Bernie/AOC crowd thinks that this country is ready for socialism.

This country just tried liberalism for about two weeks and freaked the fuck out and cried uncle.


Did the people freak out, or did those pulling the levers of power freak out and determine that they needed to reinforce the old way before anyone gets any radical ideas? This is essentially a "dissidents will be shot [well, fired]" edict.

(I mean, there IS freaking the fuck out, but more because people have the attention spans of gnats and can't just chill.)


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