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I'm pretty sure you don't want a point-by-point analysis of what is valid, semi-valid, way-off, without context, pot calling the kettle black etc. so I'll just leave it at suggesting you be more open & tolerant of views & opinions that differs from you; and many times honest people can just agree to disagree. |
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After 8 years of having Obama misrepresented constantly, called the anti-Christ, and generally belittled, now I'm supposed to be the one to reconcile by pointing out the good things that Trump has done? Why is it on the Democrats to constantly be the ones to act with intelligence and conscience? At what point does the GOP take on ANY responsibility at all to act with good faith instead of just constant deflection in the name of power grabbing? Never?
Bullshit. I don't care if the current GOP limo'd 1 million dollars to my house, they can go fuck themselves as can their racist leader as can their followers and apologists. There is no apology, there is no compromise. There is no "good" that has come from it. They haven't gotten us into a nuclear war, though that looked pretty dicey for a few weeks there. They haven't directly caused my death, but they may be trying with this "let's open the economy back up" bullshit. Fucking bravo. |
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Enjoy your month, and if you find this place unhealthy for you then do whatever you need to be in a better place. But the point here is, I think that a lot of arguments made by others fit the same thing from a different perspective. A lot of the board generally don't think so because of groupthink, but then someone like me or Edward or whoever comes by who doesn't share your presumptions and thinks they're ridiculous. I.e., some people think racism is binary. Some people think about China/Mexico differently than you do. Etc. I know your posts well enough to say I don't think it's intentional either, but what your argument here really boils down to is 'I don't like people posting things that significantly differ from my view enough to not accept my core assumptions'. In which case, what's the point of a debate in the first place? Quote:
Yeah that's not at all what's happened on this board. More to the point, it's not about it being on anyone to reconcile. It's about being intellectually honest and not caricaturing people. Nobody is 100% bad or 100% good. That means there are bad things in the best of our leaders, and good things in the worst of them. You don't have to support them to recognize that, and it's very helpful to talk about things in a balanced way. Quote:
Again, the provable fact of criticism of Trump on a number of fronts over an extended period of time demonstrates this is false. |
The only issue is that when a Dem is in office the same Trumpists will be asked by people on the other side, "C'mon, say one thing good about Joe Blow and we'll get into this cycle" I'm not saying I agree but I can say that Trump has been good for Real Estate and he's been good Russia. He's been good for the rich and he's been good for racists. See it's easy.
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I don't see anything positive about Trump. Not one thing. I can safely say that anything that I feel that was remotely positive that has come from the administration during his time in office has been 100% a result of someone around him and not him directly. He has been good for the rich and very good for racists. He's been outstanding for divisiveness, because he has turned people against each other like no one yet. What I feel like this is, is: "You know that Hitler had some great ideas, but he just took it too far." |
The problem I have with stating the good things Trump has done is they are offset by the mountains of horrible shit he has done and the horrible human being he is.
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Ok, but he still put those people in those positions, or retained them if they were there before him. So it still reflects on him to a degree. Other than that, it sounds to me like a case of being blinded by animosity towards what he's done if you view it as 100% negative. That's just not reality. Even a stopped watch is right twice a day, and so on. |
He is a person wholly incapable of empathy or doing anything other than feeding his ego. Just because a couple of policy decisions happen to be things that I don't hate as a byproduct of that shouldn't cause me to give him any credit for it.
I just tend to avoid watching him or talking about him whenever I can, but to see that we need to agree on "the good things he's done" as some sort of basis for a common ground, respect, or debate is laughable. There are no good things, there are only happy accidents. |
To a point. How many times did we hear about how Obama lied. About health insurance. That one time. Before policy was written. And how that meant that he was worthless. As a person and a president.
Now we have something else entirely and it's just another day at the office and I'm the one getting called out for being mean by those very same people. I'm not talking about the board here, but more of a general view or approach from those I'm surrounded by. |
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Ok but one doesn't invalidate the other. I agree that Trump is a horrible human being and has done mountains of horrible things. 100% agree. That doesn't mean he hasn't also done good things from time to time. Both things not only can co-exist, but in fact it's quite common for them to do so within a single individual. All of us have them to some degree. |
Trump is going to be remembered by history as one of the worst Presidents in US history. In historian lists, he'll be with James Buchanan (who is down there for being incompetent not for anything disastrous he did - you know for the folks who are like name ONE thing worse than X, etc, etc), Andrew Johnson, etc. So all this name things you like he did is a bit ridiculous. Our President is incompetent and corrupt, tries to undermine the press, ratchets up racist rhetoric, and looks the other way when acts of overt racism (Charlottesville) happen. To believe he won't be in the bottom 5 going forward is just delusional.
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My take on it is that the good things done weren't out of a sense of purpose or planning. He'd happily reverse those things in a heartbeat if it would be something that he thinks would make him look good in that moment.
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If Trump were just a guy in my neighborhood and I knew all this about him,
he's a racist he brags about sexual assault he's been credibly accused of rape by his ex-wife he mocks the disabled he regularly attacks and demeans working women he lies constantly he steals from a charity he doesn't pay people that work for him he promotes conspiracy theories he rarely works but brags about how hard he works he tells everyone that he's an expert on every topic he defends and admires mass murderers he encourages his friends to physically assault people he doesn't like he fakes being committed to his religion etc. I would just consider him an asshole. I'd never play along if a neighbor said they would only take my criticisms seriously if I also presented a list of good qualities for this asshole. Trump is uniquely horrible as a human being and anything that attempts to gloss over that fact is dangerous. And before you say I hate all Republicans, I can speak well of Romney or DeWine or our county executive, and a number of others. But I'm not going to play a game of Ten Things I like About a Monster. |
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What Cartman said. Trump has never, and will never, do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. He will only do what he feels is best for him and if that means it is also beneficial for us as a nation that is a byproduct. |
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Today's a perfect example. Officially the WH is still recommending isolation and distancing until May 1, but Trump is tweet Liberate Michigan! and Liberate Minnesota! and Liberate Virginia! There is no plan, there are just impulses. |
He's just showing that it is possible to be all things to all people and not get held for any of it.
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Ruth Chris Steakhouse chain took 20 million of the bailout money set aside for small businesses
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monsters are cool. trump is not don't call trump a monster you insult dragons and mindflayers and beholders when you do the more you know... |
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This is why I'm always hesitant about letting the government spend a crap ton of money, especially with a President who sees oversight as a detriment. Stimulus checks are also apparently going to dead people as well. |
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Brian Klaas on Twitter: "Watch this video of Merkel and compare it to Trump, who recently lamented that the virus has become so “brilliant” that antibiotics don’t work—against a virus. Via @BenjAlvarez1. https://t.co/awAsd6PjmN"
Here's a politician/'head of state' (i know she is not technically) actually using a press briefing to bring across information and explain goals/strategy/reasoning. Even throws in a shoutout agreeing to a local official not in her party. All in less than 2 minutes. 5 years ago i thought Merkel was boring, nowadays i wish the next chancellor will be equally boring if the alternative is the shitshow-populism that is plaguing not just the US .... |
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They keep making the socialism attack because it works. I think the reason that Elizabeth Warren scared people more than Bernie is that she is a committed capitalist. But she wants to make capitalism work for everyone. If the choice is between socialism and our current brand of corrupt capitalism, then even a solid liberal like me will pick corrupt capitalism. But if Americans are ever given a choice between functional capitalism and corrupt capitalism . . .? Well that will be a bigger revolution than anything Bernie could ever bring us. |
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And Grover Norquist tweeted that Manchin endorsing Biden is evidence that all the Dems are radicals. I love it when classic bands play their old hits. |
Biden can probably just take that Norquist claim and put it next to a Bernie bro claim saying #NeverBiden because he's a Republican just to show the ridiculousness of the extremes.
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Have we ever had a President call for a civil war?
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A lot of MAGA is built on this conservative myth of "I got my gun, my land, and my dog and I don't need anything else."
The virus has shown us that we are highly interconnected and that our actions both hurt and help others in ways it can be hard to fully grasp. That truth obliterates MAGA in a way that almost nothing else does. So it makes sense that Trump is going to start using language of civil war and violence and division. If we stop blaming "others" for our pain, and if we instead realize that we actually need each other, then MAGA dies. And Trump would prefer a civil war to that. |
basically, if I were in the GOP, things like this would scare me a hell of a lot more than whatever Biden does or does not do:
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There is nothing capitalist about our current system. Government propping up zombie companies by printing money and bailing out their mistakes. If companies are not allowed to fail, how is it any way capitalism? |
It is shitty broken capitalism, but it is still capitalism.
Which is why Warren scares them so much. She does not want to throw out capitalism. She wants to show Americans what it can really do. And THAT would be the real revolution. |
I tend to think Trump and the GOP leadership are aware of how long a shutdown is needed, and that's why ultimately the governors will decide. Come November, when it has cropped back up AND the economy is still reeling from round 1, the message will be "if we'd opened up the country on May 1st, we wouldn't be here! Everyone would be immune and we'd all be working!"
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So what? First, nobody can ever know for sure why another person does things. Neurological science has shown that we don't even know why we do things most of the time - our brains literally make up justifications for stuff subconcioiusly all the time. But also, the issue at hand wasn't 'how altruistic is Donald Trump'. That's where I'm saying emotionalism and animosity tends to cloud the issue. It's what good things has he done. Even if he did them for selfish reasons, or craven political ones, or whatever - if it was the right thing to do, and he did it, basic fairness requires that be recognized. I.e. if you think the justice reform was a good thing done for wrong reasons just to take a popular example - people don't get their sentences lengthened because Trump's motives were faulty. They get the same sentence whether he did it for the right reasons or not. If the new law is better than the old one, it's a good thing period. |
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agreed. It's only "Capitalism" when it's an anti-blue democrats are evil 'socialists' style of capitalism. Otherwise, it is absolutely not capitalism at all. |
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I disagree with this line of thinking. "A broken clock is right twice a day". Being right for the wrong reasons is useless, it leads nowhere positive. |
It would be helpful to understand your definition of capitalism. Always helpful to define terms instead of trying to guess your definitions.
No one I know is staying the US is 100% free-market capitalism. I think everyone concedes it's mixed. But this doesn't mean "there's nothing capitalist about our current system". |
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Capitalism wherein winners and losers are based on innovation, entrepreneurship, and no one gets given shit for free.
The gop changes the definition in times of crisis versus when things are flourishing to be able to better paint the Dems as evil socialists when they use socialism to float zombie companies and avoid cyclical cleansing. Btw I’m for it because I’m for bailing out some companies and social safety nets. As Ive always been on these boards, what I cannot stand is the hypocrisy the right shows when theyre socialists when it fits them but its we dont wanna be the Franch, when sucker voters get sound bited to vote against the evil welfare moms and unemployed drug addicts that are abusing your hard earned tax dollars. And theyre coming to take your guns and hate Christmas and murder babies and want Mexico and Canada to own you!!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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So the person who gets a more fair sentence gained nothing because Trump had the wrong motive? That's useless to them? I'd wager they'd say otherwhise. I mean, nobody has perfectly pure motives for doing anything, so that means everything is useless. Nihilism FTW!! |
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That's a weird way to look at things. Are you saying someone that actually does things properly more consistently would have come to the wrong conclusion here? Even if so, wouldn't it lead to the right conclusion more often? I don't know, go ahead and be happy your watch got noon and midnight right every day. I'll keep my admittedly flawed Timex and make it to the rest of my meetings more or less on time. |
You're really beating this to death. Motivations matter. That's why you can be sympathetic to a character like Walter White and then grow to hate someone like Mother Teresa over time. The "why" of decision making most certainly matters.
If you're asserting that Trump is actually some puppy dog or something, come out and say it. |
Capitalism is private ownership in trade and industry. We don't have that. Large companies are essentially state-supported. Just that we set it up so the state doesn't get a cut of the profits.
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This SCARES the hell out of me. Those kids are NOT wearing MASKS and are NOT SIX feet apart. They are SELFISH brats who are putting EVERYONE around them in MORTAL DANGER. |
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No, and yes. I think both of these questions are irrelevant to what I've said. I mean, I've stated repeatedly I think Trump is a terrible leader, president, and person and that I didn't and won't vote for him, etc. It would obviously be much better to have a POTUS who makes more good decisions, and they are rare occasions with Trump. That has nothing to do with how we should treat the good decisions he does make. They are totally separate issues. Quote:
I'm doing it because consistency matters. Without them you don't have guardrails and can just claim whatever you feel at the moment - ideologies, worldviews, philosophies whether political or otherwhise require consistent principles or incoherency destroys them. And I totally agree motivations matter. Nothing I've said makes it not matter. What I've said is, a bad motivation does not make an objectively good decision no longer a good one or no longer beneficial to those on the receiving end. |
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So my conclusion is sure the US doesn't have pure capitalism (so what?). But it does have mixed capitalism. So one can complain about the mix but let's not say arbitrarily say "there's nothing capitalist about our system today". |
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But they aren't good decisions. They are good results. If I decide to get plastered, run a red light, and run over a serial killer, that's a good result, but not a good decision. And while you might note it, you shouldn't celebrate or laud it. |
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That's not even remotely comparable. In that case you make three bad decisions to get a good result. In the case I'm talking about, the decision is to promote and sign a good law. There's no bad decision in there. |
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Actually, it was the use of pastels. |
Governor of Illinois bought a lot of PPE from China in secret and SECRETLY had them flown in directly to Illinois under high security.
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Fine, the GOP turn the dial on it as is convenient for the marketing trope at the time. When they need a bailout they dial it way over to socialism. I mean shit, they basically just agreed to UBI which is 100% socialism but come August they'll be telling people to vote for them because a vote for anything but is a vote for France or Switzerland. |
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Yup, I guess the mixed model and degree/position of Left-Right-dial is dependent on the political environment (or crisis) at any given time. Of course we are a capitalist society. Of course there is a mix of socialism. Let's not crap on it just because there is hypocrisy in the system and it doesn't do what you want. There's a ton of worse systems out there in the world. |
I crap on it because of the hypocrisy of one party that uses it's marketability to their whim and win and then actually goes the entirely opposite direction when it suits their needs only to abuse it again to divide the country and get votes.
I'm sorry but I see through the hypocrisy. At least the Dems and Bernie Sanders (whom I'm not a fan of) will actually say it. The GOP simply use the headlines of "We're the greatest because of capitalism" and we hate socialism and evil empire except with their other hand they're absolutely for socialist ways to 'win' in their wallets. Who gets fucked? You and I do but then come November people will ignore the hypocrisy (which should make you not believe anything the mfers say) and vote because 'Soshalism'!!!!! Whatever? At least people that vote on only one topic can (if they're honest) say I don't care about who lies about what as long as they don't keel babies. Theyre honest. |
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Of course they gain something but that isn't the point. The discussion began because Edward was demanding people also point out the good things Trump has done and give him credit. What I am saying, and seemingly others, are he doesn't deserve credit for those because he didn't do them because he felt it was the right thing, he did them because it benefited him in that moment. You get zero credit for that in my book. A true leader does what they feel is right, damn the consequences. Look at your state right now. The governor is doing what she feels is right for her citizens. She had to know it would be criticized, and it could quite possibly cost her a VP nomination, but it seems to me anyway she is doing it for the good of her constituents. Oppose that to Trump who literally changes his mind hour to hour based off what he thinks will gain him the most praise from Fox News. Occasionally those changes are actually good ones, but they were accidents. |
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The thing is, as I mentioned before, this is completely unknowable. You can't know why people take actions for sure, ever. As I stated before, neurological science has shown repeatedly that we don't even properly understand why we do things, much less that of anyone else. Therefore, under your stated standards here, you can't ever give someone credit for anything, or criticize them for anything, because we can't accurately assess their reasons. That's a totally untenable approach. |
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Trump has shown us who he is enough times that I think we can make an assumption. |
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I am reacting to below statement which started this line of discussion and thought it worthwhile to define what capitalism is. I agree with much you say but probably not to the degree/extent you mean it. I am generalizing to help provide some context and visual ... whereas I see the mix being 80-20 or maybe 70-30 I think many on this board would prefer it if was the other ratio if not far more extreme. We come from different perspectives. Whereas many on this board see doom-and-gloom in the US, I see a land of opportunity regardless of the inequities we have (and the jerk we have the in WH). |
The appropriate response to trump from China in all this would be to strongly criticize his failure to contain the virus as well as they did and criticize the US form of government that lead to all those deaths (compared to whatever the false, but accepted public numbers in China are).
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I'm guessing there are a lot of criminals in jail right now that wish your logic was applied to their crimes... |
Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Criminals are in jail for their actions. Motive is an element of jurisprudence to be sure, but lots of people have motives and don't act on them. The act is what you go to jail for or not - my continued opposition to the jail system in its entirety notwithstanding.
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OK. We get it, Gary. You are a very thorough beta tester. But the game is broken. We all get that the game is broken. You can stop trying to break the sim any time now, ok? |
The protests are so discouraging. It's one thing to argue for reducing restrictions, it's a whole other thing o gather closely together in groups as if you're standing up to the virus.
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I realize that stupid things happen in government sometimes. And this might just be a blunder, an oversight, or a poorly thought out way to follow a well intentioned guideline. Or something...
But these shitheads have earned the place where everyone's first assumption will and should be that the White House people are, yet again, profiteering thieves who are unethically helping out a donor/supporter or actually lining their own pockets here. |
Multiple GOP political operatives suddenly went into the medical supply business in March. There's a very high chance of corruption.
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Yup. You know your friend who started his own business? And how did he’s pretty much lost everything now? And you’re legitimately concerned about how he’s going to provide for his family and for his mental health? It turns out that was pretty much also some GOP operatives could make a killing in the medical supply business. And Trump want you to think it’s your governor’s fault. |
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Yup. Good friend of mine and her husband own an upholstery shop. Their SBA loan application was delayed by the bank because the infrastructure wasn't there. Got a message today basically saying they are SOL because there is no money left. So while they have been in their basement the last month making masks out of their own materiel because our government can't provide basic PPE the same government has been doing squat for them. They don't know what they are going to do. |
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Sure, but again I don't see the relevancy. Intent is about what you are trying to do, whether something is purposeful or incidental, etc. Motivation is about why you did it. In the example being used for this discussion, that would be like saying the First Steps act was passed on accident vs. doing it on purpose. That's not even an issue - we know it was done on purpose, the issue is how much we can know about the why and how relevant that is.
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Who could have ever predicted a 2 trillion dollar stimulus plan wouldn't go to ordinary American people? Shocking I tell you, shocking! What's the only solution? Bigger government!!!
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Does concern for fed corruption count as sincere? Or is that just fear mongering? Still trying to figure out the rules here.
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Absolutely. Here's the deal... you know those pesky Libertarians who won't shut up about the L/R paradigm and never have a solution for anything? Well maybe their warnings aren't just because they read Atlas Shrugged or heard an old Richard Nixon speech. Maybe they see the problem of big government and what happens when the electorate votes in a moron like Donald Trump. All those executive orders and executive powers that maybe weren't abused by Bush Jr. or Obama? (well they were but nothing like this guy) You mean somebody like Trump can abuse them? The "independent" federal reserve printing press? That can actually be manipulated and abused for corrupt means? It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. And the funny part is a lot of people (including very smart people on this board) think the solution to a government that is too big and easily corrupted is more government. People were actually shocked (and I really think they were shocked) that this 2 trillion dollars started going to corporations and people that didn't even need it. I mean I can't say I am the biggest fan of Bernie Sanders' solutions but I think he pretty fairly describes how this country is run. |
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FWIW, any opinion counts as sincere in my book. Not my place (or anyone else's) to judge whether it is or not. A false argument should be refuted, and attacking the person making it has no place in that discussion. |
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Make Congress declare war, revoking king/dictator-like status of the president. Require balanced budget, audit federal reserve which shockingly people now think might not be independent. Campaign finance reform, might see some differences in future trillion dollar bailouts. Term limits for lifelong members of congress... |
There's an absurdity to these protests, that are coordinated, or at least blessed, by the WH. The official policy of the WH is to isolate until the end of April, but Trump is also encouraging these protests demanding an end to isolation now.
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So if I understand correctly, you are ok with making assumptions about someone's state of mind when evaluating the intent or purpose of what they are doing, but not making similar assumptions about the motive? ok, you be you man. |
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Hey, those are all great ideas! I disagree with exactly one of them and we could haggle about those details. But I'd be fine with a lot of those in law or in a platform. However your previous post had nothing about them and was just preening as being above the fray Neither post addresses the current situation. What's the libertarian way of dealing with a pandemic and subsequent recession? That seems like a couple of problems that aren't exactly in the wheelhouse of a super small government. SI |
Nice try, but not at all. I'm for not making assumptions about state of mind at all due to the breathtaking arrogance involved in doing so. The corollary being drawn here is completely false. Criminal intent is about actions that directly bear on the crime … i.e. if you shoot a gun while pointing it at someone it's not reasonable to claim that you didn't intend to cause harm with it. The statements being made in the political realm here are not about a direct connection to a specific action with a causal link, etc. They are literally casting a shadow on every single action taken, regardless of circumstances. They're in the category of 'all the neighbors say so and so is a jerk, therefore they must be the killer', absent any consideration of the actual circumstances of the crime itself. It's an approach that completely ignores basic understandings of the human psyche and cannot be honestly appraised in terms short of the pathological.
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Well here's a libertarian response to that statement Libertarianism and the Coronavirus Pandemic | Cato @ Liberty |
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This is criminal behavior IMO. The stating of one thing to the public in pressers and in doctrine and then sowing discord through popular means. Not to mention my complete fantastic befuddlement that they allowed the states to compete for PPE against each other. That alone I feel like is a complete and utter failure of leadership that cost lives. Trump should be run out of dodge for this alone. |
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Reddit was doing some digging and there was some obvious proof of astroturfing because of the way the domains were registered for each state's "grassroots" protest. Combine that with the timing of Trump's tweets and it's pretty obvious part of the GOP or Trump's campaign is pushing for civil unrest in swing states. |
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I certainly don’t have hard numbers on these “protests.” But the pictures sure seem like the media is doing everything in his power to make small pathetic little crowds look much bigger than they actually are.
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I used to know someone who worked for a while in debt collection. She tried to help locate the people running away from their debts. One thing she said once was that the amount of work some people did to hide from debt collectors seemed like way more trouble than just getting a job to earn the money to pay back the debt.
I feel like the amount of work this White House is doing to cover up the fact that it has done almost nothing to help mitigate the problem is going to end up being a hell of a lot more work (and much less likely to be politically successful) then if they had just taken steps to mitigate the problem. But President Trump is a real estate hustler to his core. You never just build the building well & make money that way. You cut corners, line your pockets, and your real work is convincing people that you had nothing to do with it in the first place. |
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I don’t think that Trump decided to become a populist politician until later in life. I doubt he was playing the long game with the “workingman“ there. That is interesting information, however. My sense of Trump is that he is the sort of guy who would constantly be fighting to pinch pennies on stuff like that. But apparently I was wrong. |
When dealing with the union versus a SBO who sent him an invoice I'm sure were very different interactions. My guess is he needed the union and its workers. He could screw the company that sold him sinks.
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The mother of one of my better friends growing up got into construction/contracting at some point. Word from him was that her company did work on a Trump project and got stiffed.
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Do some research on the Taj Mahal. It is repulsive what he did. We have a family friend who owned a music store and he almost put them out of business. |
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Now here's what I don't understand. By trying to create dissidence in the swing states, the Trump supporters that are protesting are more likely to get COVID-19 and become ill. And if any of them die, he loses them as supporters. Thus making these states more likely to be democratic states. |
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Throughout this the GOP seems to have a playbook that they're struggling to deviate from. The old tried and true GOP methods don't seem to work as well in a global pandemic. |
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There's not enough protestors for that to matter. That many people in the streets would be anarchy or a coup. |
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Yes. This. If we are all working together to fight a common enemy and for our common good, then the GOP loses. The more we are at each other‘s throats, the more likely they are to win. The more the blame goes to Democrats instead of the virus, the more likely they are to win. |
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Once it came out that minorities in urban areas were suffering from the virus disproportionately it was only a matter of time until some white people decided that they were safe. |
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