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Lathum 06-26-2008 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1761871)
This is a question for both Lathum and Barkeep...

You both equally seem to be pushing the whole 1 of the 3 (Alan, BK, Lathum) isn't like the others approach in stating that no way Hoops passes up on all three.. In fact both of you have given it for a reason for a vote at least once even...

Hypothetically speaking, what would your response be if the other ended up being lynched and wasn't a wolf.. Since you've pushed for this theory (in BK's case 2 days) and now you suddenly see either BK or Lathum now lynched and turn up good along with me being good.. What defense do you use when alot of people suddenly want to use your own strategy against you and come after you as the only member of the 3 left not verified as good?

I actualy don't believe that theory at all, I was more using BK's logic against himself.

DaddyTorgo 06-26-2008 12:15 PM
I'm not ignoring your opinion from earlier Alan - but in my present condition, a vote for Lathum is the best vote that I can make.

I still believe that Kwhit's line of thinking bears exploring - if i can convince others of that and we can explore it via voting lathum off that's great - if not...a vote for lathum is still the best vote that i can make.

Mrs. Schmidty 06-26-2008 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1761889)
In my opinion, this run on Barkeep is not justified. What is the reasoning for this? He has been quiet this game. Is that the only reason? There were four straight votes on Barkeep and 5 out of 6. I am not sure what I make out of that.

My guess, since we didn't have a lynch on day 1 people feel a bit lost, I know I do. I don't really feel there is anything to go on with anyone. I don't want to spread the votes out, but these folks seem very much UTR to me, granted this is only my second game so I don't know the usual play style for these folks, or their work schedules etc.

Folks UTR:
Render
Clap (trying to be UTR)
SnDvls
Saldana
EagleFan
GoldenEagle

It wouldn't be the best strategy to just take them out going down the list, but it would be nice to know their roles in the game.

I have about an hour before I have to leave for work, I'll have a vote in before then.

claphamsa 06-26-2008 12:16 PM
I am trying to be UTR you are right :) cuz im sick of getting lynched early, so im TRYING to only say stuff when I have somethign to say

mccollins 06-26-2008 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761911)
I actualy don't believe that theory at all, I was more using BK's logic against himself.

Who would you list as the next 'big 3' vets that hoops would most likely select for at least 1 (if not 2) of the wolves?

In a list of 6, I'd think there almost has to be at least 1 wolf.

Lathum 06-26-2008 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mccollins (Post 1761920)
Who would you list as the next 'big 3' vets that hoops would most likely select for at least 1 (if not 2) of the wolves?

In a list of 6, I'd think there almost has to be at least 1 wolf.

I'm really not a fan of this sort of thing becaue IMO it comes off a little elitist, but to answer your question.

Saldana
CR
SNDVLS

with Olie, Render and GE not far behind

GoldenEagle 06-26-2008 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by claphamsa (Post 1761897)
my explanation for voting for EF is this, 3 people are pinging me (not that means alot, since i was sure Kwhitt was bad) they are Danny EF and BK. Danny has no votes, so nothign happenign there, BK just had a wild run on him, so EF was the obvious choise. as i said , its not a set vote, but i have to vote for someone :)

If BK is pinging you, then why would you vote for EagleFan? Wouldn't you just go ahead and vote for Barkeep. This is a very strange vote and your actions are a bit weird.

DaddyTorgo 06-26-2008 12:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mccollins (Post 1761920)
Who would you list as the next 'big 3' vets that hoops would most likely select for at least 1 (if not 2) of the wolves?

In a list of 6, I'd think there almost has to be at least 1 wolf.

i'd say myself, sndvls, and chief rum

DaddyTorgo 06-26-2008 12:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761925)
I'm really not a fan of this sort of thing becaue IMO it comes off a little elitist, but to answer your question.

Saldana
CR
SNDVLS

with Olie, Render and GE not far behind

leaving me off the list?? that hurts my feelings!! :rant:

SnDvls 06-26-2008 12:21 PM
both DT's and Lathum's lists are probally very fair lists of people.

DaddyTorgo 06-26-2008 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1761926)
If BK is pinging you, then why would you vote for EagleFan? Wouldn't you just go ahead and vote for Barkeep. This is a very strange vote and your actions are a bit weird.

good point!

Lathum 06-26-2008 12:21 PM
I don't believe for one second that DT is the BG but UNLIKE BK voting for me I am not going to risk losing a valuable role by pushing the issue.

My vote on BK is based on the fact that despite the possibility I am the real seer he is pushing to vote me and thats not like him.

DaddyTorgo 06-26-2008 12:22 PM
aaaah - but the crafty hooper may be like 14th level analysis and have picked all newbs along with someone like clap who's newbish to us, to guide them...he's a sick sick man

oliegirl 06-26-2008 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761925)
I'm really not a fan of this sort of thing becaue IMO it comes off a little elitist, but to answer your question.

Saldana
CR
SNDVLS

with Olie, Render and GE not far behind

Me????? I'm shocked...and flattered! I don't consider myself a horrible player, but I don't consider myself a good player either, hopefully this means that when you see me signed up for a game you don't say "Oh damn, Olie is playing again...she sucks" :)

Mrs. Schmidty 06-26-2008 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1761937)
14th level analysis

haha

Lathum 06-26-2008 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761925)
I'm really not a fan of this sort of thing becaue IMO it comes off a little elitist, but to answer your question.

Saldana
CR
SNDVLS

with Olie, Render and GE not far behind

i forgot to put DT in there.

Lathum 06-26-2008 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oliegirl (Post 1761939)
Me????? I'm shocked...and flattered! I don't consider myself a horrible player, but I don't consider myself a good player either, hopefully this means that when you see me signed up for a game you don't say "Oh damn, Olie is playing again...she sucks" :)

if there was a most improved player you would get my vote and it's not even close.

BTW, wheres sea lion? did he not enjoy WW?

Mrs. Schmidty 06-26-2008 12:28 PM
As I said before with no lynch yesterday I don't think we have too much to go on as far as wolves, though we did find out at least 2 of our roled villagers, but then again, the wolves also found them out too :(

I don't want to have another tied vote, so my vote is

VOTE BARKEEP

claphamsa 06-26-2008 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1761926)
If BK is pinging you, then why would you vote for EagleFan? Wouldn't you just go ahead and vote for Barkeep. This is a very strange vote and your actions are a bit weird.


not at all, we learn much less from a runaway.

Passacaglia 06-26-2008 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1761846)
Well now it's going to look like a pile-on, but out of the four choices Barkeep is the one I'm most distrustful of.

VOTE BARKEEP

You're more distrustful of BK than Lathum?

Mrs. Schmidty 06-26-2008 12:30 PM
Votes as of post 1118:

6 - Barkeep - Lathum (1052), PackerFanatic (1068), oliegirl (1072), mccollins (1079), Telle (1080), Mrs. Schmidty (1118)
3 - EagleFan - Chief Rum (1000), SnDvls (1069), claphasma (1084)
3 - Lathum - Danny (1015), Barkeep (1040), DaddyTorgo (1089)
2 - Chief Rum - LoneStarGirl (939), Render (1038)
1 - oliegirl - EagleFan (943)
1 - Mrs. Schmidty - Passacaglia (1035)
1 - saldana - Alan T (1044)

saldana 06-26-2008 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty (Post 1761914)
My guess, since we didn't have a lynch on day 1 people feel a bit lost, I know I do. I don't really feel there is anything to go on with anyone. I don't want to spread the votes out, but these folks seem very much UTR to me, granted this is only my second game so I don't know the usual play style for these folks, or their work schedules etc.

Folks UTR:
Render
Clap (trying to be UTR)
SnDvls
Saldana
EagleFan
GoldenEagle

It wouldn't be the best strategy to just take them out going down the list, but it would be nice to know their roles in the game.

I have about an hour before I have to leave for work, I'll have a vote in before then.


this list amuses me, at least the fact that I am on it anyway, considering I have more posts in the thread than your husband:p

you should have been around when i used to have single digit post numbers on day 3

GoldenEagle 06-26-2008 12:31 PM
Here are my people of interest at this time:

Passacaglia
mccollins
Chief Rum
SnDvls
Telle

Passacaglia 06-26-2008 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1761872)
For me it's just a gut instinct. And I don't have much for the other candidates although I'm still slightly suspicious of Lathum but not enough to vote for the potential seer again. I just wish I had been vote #3 instead of #5 :)

Why were you more willing to vote for the potential seer yesterday than today?

Lathum 06-26-2008 12:32 PM
OK, so who do you all think I should scan today since my scanning of Telle wasn't well received

Mrs. Schmidty 06-26-2008 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1761962)
You're more distrustful of BK than Lathum?

No, it's not that, but to push Lathum I again am responsible for causing a tie, or at least getting it close. I really don't want another no lynch. It's lame I know, but I believed Lathum day 1, or at least wanted to give him a couple days to find out if he's the real seer or not.

Passacaglia 06-26-2008 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761899)
Pass.

Tell me the incentive for the BG to counter DT's reveal

To nab a wolf.

Mrs. Schmidty 06-26-2008 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1761966)
this list amuses me, at least the fact that I am on it anyway, considering I have more posts in the thread than your husband:p

you should have been around when i used to have single digit post numbers on day 3


LOL I forgot he was even playing, what does that say? :lol:

Lathum 06-26-2008 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1761962)
You're more distrustful of BK than Lathum?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1761971)
Why were you more willing to vote for the potential seer yesterday than today?


your really coming across as having an agenda

Telle 06-26-2008 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1761962)
You're more distrustful of BK than Lathum?

Yes. Lathum isn't high on my trust list.. but there is the possibility that he is the real seer. So for the moment I'm reluctantly putting him on the back burner.

Mrs. Schmidty 06-26-2008 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1761966)
this list amuses me, at least the fact that I am on it anyway, considering I have more posts in the thread than your husband:p

you should have been around when i used to have single digit post numbers on day 3

Also, how do we check post counts? I was just going by who seemed UTR to me.

oliegirl 06-26-2008 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761946)
if there was a most improved player you would get my vote and it's not even close.

BTW, wheres sea lion? did he not enjoy WW?

Awww, thanks Lathum! But if you turn out to be a wolf, I'm going to figure you are lying about this too! ;) I've really really enjoyed playing and hope that I get to have "real" roles in more games - I've been the seer a few times, and the BG once or twice, but I've never been the Duke and only been a wolf once.

He liked it, he felt overwhelmed, it turned out to be a pretty involved game so I think he was in over his head. At first he said he wouldn't play again, but now he's wanting me to talk about the games and is saying he'll try it again sometime when there is a more simple game. He was going to play in the basic game that was just held, but had a lot going on with school and work so it was a bad time.

DaddyTorgo 06-26-2008 12:34 PM
off to my meeting in a little. my night orders are in. i won't be back probably till i get home from work (meeting till 4 plus potentially drinks after)

SnDvls 06-26-2008 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1761937)
aaaah - but the crafty hooper may be like 14th level analysis and have picked all newbs along with someone like clap who's newbish to us, to guide them...he's a sick sick man

I kinda did this myself in my head...if I were picking for the wolves whom would I pick.

I'd lean towards 1 vet type player to lead them, 1-2 advanced/yet not as well known players and 1-2 totally new/UTR players.

My thinking is that in most games the other vets quickly distrust eachother and those with roles will go after them 1st which is usually par for the course. (ie a seer scans someone like Barkeep on night 1 or a spy looks at Alan).

But then with AE drafting the villagers it can really get murky too.

Alan T 06-26-2008 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761974)
OK, so who do you all think I should scan today since my scanning of Telle wasn't well received


Since you are so distrusting of DT in a potentially harmful way, I don't understand why you wouldn't use your supposed ability to try to remove doubt for yourself among people that you are eager to push for...

Likewise I can understand why you wouldn't have scanned DT yesterday (assuming he would be dead), but if that is the case, I'm not quite sure why you wouldn't have scanned BK to try to clear that up in your head instead.

I don't know if I'm going to be interested in joining you on a vote for anyone that you've pushed for multiple days, but chose not to try to clear up their allegiance in your own head at least.

Lathum 06-26-2008 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1761976)
To nab a wolf.

you are WAY to smart a player to not realize at some point if he is lying it will come out one way or the other so there is no reason for the BG to reveal.

Honestly you would be getting my vote today if I wasn't in danger.

DaddyTorgo 06-26-2008 12:35 PM
dola

and when i say orders i mean "my order + a conditional in case that person gets lynched"

PackerFanatic 06-26-2008 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty (Post 1761982)
Also, how do we check post counts? I was just going by who seemed UTR to me.

Go back to the WW forum, and click the total post count on the right of this thread.

Passacaglia 06-26-2008 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty (Post 1761975)
No, it's not that, but to push Lathum I again am responsible for causing a tie, or at least getting it close. I really don't want another no lynch. It's lame I know, but I believed Lathum day 1, or at least wanted to give him a couple days to find out if he's the real seer or not.

My post was actually directed to Telle. I found it odd that she voted BK over Lathum, when she voted Lathum yesterday.

Mrs. Schmidty 06-26-2008 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PackerFanatic (Post 1761991)
Go back to the WW forum, and click the total post count on the right of this thread.

Thanks! :)

saldana 06-26-2008 12:37 PM
i am not sold on any of the candidates...my first choice would have been Chief Rum, but since he is not going to win the race, i am gonna make the safe play

vote alan t

Telle 06-26-2008 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1761971)
Why were you more willing to vote for the potential seer yesterday than today?

I think Alan's move yesterday gave us the chance to take a step back and breathe for a moment. At that point part of me went "Wow, maybe we DID have two roled players on the block." So, I'm willing to put my doubts about Lathum's reveal to the side for now and look at other candidates.

Passacaglia 06-26-2008 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761980)
your really coming across as having an agenda

What's my agenda? Don't YOU find it odd that Telle voted for you yesterday, but now prefers to vote BK?

mccollins 06-26-2008 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by claphamsa (Post 1761956)
not at all, we learn much less from a runaway.
I fully agree. I've learned over the past few games that it's better to keep it close even if it means not listening to your gut for the moment.

Passacaglia 06-26-2008 12:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1761981)
Yes. Lathum isn't high on my trust list.. but there is the possibility that he is the real seer. So for the moment I'm reluctantly putting him on the back burner.

Didn't that possibility exist yesterday?

saldana 06-26-2008 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761980)
your really coming across as having an agenda


i agree with this....(i am sure everyone is suprised)...i dont remember Pass being so aggressive or so defensive, but i figured he may have changed tack a bit since the last time I played with him

PackerFanatic 06-26-2008 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saldana (Post 1761996)
i am not sold on any of the candidates...my first choice would have been Chief Rum, but since he is not going to win the race, i am gonna make the safe play

vote alan t

Is it not pretty much a known fact he is the duke (making him a villager)? Why would you vote for a villager?

Passacaglia 06-26-2008 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1761989)
you are WAY to smart a player to not realize at some point if he is lying it will come out one way or the other so there is no reason for the BG to reveal.

Honestly you would be getting my vote today if I wasn't in danger.

I wouldn't say that -- it's not like I'm in the Top 6 (or 7) or anything! :p

SnDvls 06-26-2008 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PackerFanatic (Post 1762007)
Is it not pretty much a known fact he is the duke (making him a villager)? Why would you vote for a villager?

to keep a wolf kill out of the equation for him is my guess

Passacaglia 06-26-2008 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1761997)
I think Alan's move yesterday gave us the chance to take a step back and breathe for a moment. At that point part of me went "Wow, maybe we DID have two roled players on the block." So, I'm willing to put my doubts about Lathum's reveal to the side for now and look at other candidates.

However, your vote for Lathum yesterday was placed before DT made his reveal. So whether or not TWO roled villagers were involved should not have been part of your thinking. I'll have to go back and verify this.


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