Ok hoops, I'm curious to know your thoughts on why you and AE are both still alive at this point then. I know it must be a pain in the ass always be a suspect no matter what, but I'm curious. For example, McKerney last night instead of either one of you.

Updated votes through 1099:
Taz - Ardent (1064), Taz (1066), Stkelly (1070), KWhit (1071)
Ardent - Desnudo (1081), King (1084), Penny (1085)
Hoops - Gram (1092)

So, if true, why are you voting for yourself again?

If you have AE as high on your trust list as you say, I would think you would have followed his lead and voted for Taz.

In trying to catch up, I've spent a lot of time on the barkeep/hoops postings, as you might imagine. I'd need to hear from barkeep to make sure (maybe after the game), but it certainly seemed to me after reading that after the initial debate that they really weren't sold on the other being bad......but the situation might help keep them both off the sith's list for the time being. And of course, knowing now that I/barkeep am/was a regular Jedi makes their exchanges read differently than it did while I was casually following along.

I'm not sold completely on hoops, but there are others that seem more worrisome to me. Tanglewood is way up there for me. I also don't know how you can have AE on your trusted list, but I guess that depends on how you view the mind control possibility -- I'm looking at the "simple" game described at the beginning and have doubts about it.

I do agree with most of the rest of your "good" list, with the exception of yourself, who I would have neutral/leaning bad right now. No offense.

Yes, it is possible. Although you are wrong about sparing Qwik, making it a tie spared me as I was the vote leader. The problem I have with a Jedi using it, is that they had to be sure that I was a Jedi. If I were in that position I would have to be positive on my ID of someone.

Desnudo, I don't think that there are more than two Sith. If that is the case, then they could have picked up by the end of Day 2 that Barkeep and I were likely to spar - he said as much prior to the night kill. As each day has gone on, there has been more heat on me just for being alive. So why would they bother taking me out if the remaining Jedi are more likely to do it for them the next day?

I'm glad I haven't been voted off the island yet because I would prefer to make the Sith have to do it themselves.

I don't know if this is their logic, but I've been working with this assumption in terms of their night kills for a couple of days now.

In terms of Ardent, I think they set him up last night with the "jedi mind trick" vote switch to create heat on him today. There is absolutely no reason to have killed him last night after taking this action against him during the Day phase.

Updated votes through 1099:
Ardent - Desnudo (1081), King (1084), Penny (1085)


I'm starting to think Desnudo is on the Sith side as well and this may fit well with why Barkeep/Path, hoops, and myself are still alive. I could see Desnudo pulling the strings on this one.

I'm pulling the wool over your eyes, heh. You need to lay off the juice.

At this point I want to keep Ardent alive another day. So I'll put my vote where I think it is most likely to be useful, rather than pursuing KWhit. I have much more confidence in Ardent as Jedi (90%) than as KWhit being Sith (35%).

VOTE TAZ

You're looking at this the wrong way, then. With sabers possibly representing roles, we've had a number of different colors.

Dubb's role, whatever it is, doesn't make this game simple to me either.

Compound that with the fact that I wanted to vote Qwikshot just 2 minutes before the deadline...when isn't it obvious I've wanted Taz gone for two days now...means this is NOT a simple game.

Welcome to my circle.

I think you are the one that needs to lay off the juice. I think you are way off base with Taz. And I think there's a very good chance you are pulling the wool over my eyes.

If I were the Sith and the three of you were Jedi, believe me when I say that you would have been gone long ago. I learned my lesson with hoops in your Survivor game.

Depends on who they're trying to spare.

I thought I remembered AE switching his vote from Qwik to you, which is why I say to spare Qwik (or both).

But as I say, it depends on what the Jedi are trying to accomplish, and *which* of you they're certain of.

You have that reversed.

I don't know. I've been hoping that my actions will cause a clear divergence. That if I were to die and revealed for as a Jedi, the remaining should be able to get a read on the Sith.

I think you need to take your head out of...well, you know. I'm not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. I originally tried to stay quiet in this game and was PULLED IN BY DUBB, a bad guy.

If you think I'm a bad guy, well, you need to go see a shrink.

Entirely possible. I was up until 2:30 last night and had to be up at 7:00 to deliver newspapers at school. I don't sleep well during the day, so I can't even take a nap. :(

Apologies if I had it backwards. I'm totally scatterbrained today.

Yep, AE had his vote for me and then switched to Qwik.

I think that's a fair point. The last 10 or so posts have been very interesting and are having some effect on my feelings in my previous post. It seems I have to have a small timeframe of thinking "out loud" when coming into the middle of a game..... :)

Straight up, how certain are you of Taz?

Taz said a magic word earlier that has me...thinking. Maybe I ran into a jedi on my way to the galley instead of a Sith. I'll think about it.

Right now I probably trust AE more than anyone else.

Vote Taz

Why do you believe there are only two Sith?

Ah, what the hell


UNVOTE TAZFTW

I don't know about hoops, but aside from such an event being basically canonical, to me that idea would also mesh nicely with dubb's death. The idea that there are Dark Side-capable Jedi among us, but not necessarily every malevolent entity is Sith.

I still don't know if it's better for us if there are more or fewer Sith though. The more there are, the easier it will be to find them, but the more there are, the bigger a mess of trouble we're in right now, too.

Here's what I know:

Taz came in somewhat late to vote me out. McKerney, a jedi, saves me. Why wasn't anyone compelled to vote for me? Because McKerney voted so late. The Sith obviously felt they had me gone.

The next day, I start out the charge on Taz. It's between Taz and Qwikshot, another jedi. I'm doing my own thing, going to the galley, and run into some guy with a hood over his head. I see his hand raise up, next thing I know, I'm fighting Qwikshot.

All I can remember about the time inbetween is wanting to vote Qwikshot.

How certain am I? Well, having a last second switch makes me pretty certain.

Tanglewood's late vote to try and seal off Qwikshot is also incredibly suspicious.

I saw this coming

a


mile


away.

My head out of your wool? Yes Dubb accused you, but we have no idea how much he actually knew. The only thing that we know is 100% is that he was evil. I've pointed out in previous posts why I think your logic is flawed. I can see the bandwagon building, so I'll leave it rolling and then we'll see where we stand after we lynch another jedi.

Get me lynched, I dare you. You'll kill a jedi. If the rest of the jedi don't band together and lynch afterward I'll bury my head in shame.

Especially in light of having voted for you first.

If he were switching from somebody else to try and break a tie, that's one thing (god, how tired am I? 'break a tie' originally came out as 'vote a try.' ugh).

But switching from somebody he professed to believe to be a Jedi to the other potential lynchee asscheeks up against the deadline, even there I could see just a change of heart. But with the chaos over your vote switch? It's like somebody miscounted the vote.

vote Tanglewood

Well most of the rest of the "jedi" seem to be following your lead and not mine. So good luck with what you reap.

Can I get an updated list of who is still in the game, or perhaps a list of those that have fallen? Saldana hasn't updated post 1, and I'd like to start tracking who's voted for who today...and who hasn't voted.

My doubt about there be two Sith is the setting this game is in. In the first post Saldana calls it Episode -17 and follows that up with 1000 years before Yoda/Vader/etc... Saldana also said the KOTOR games were used a source material (although I believe the KOTOR games take place 4000 years before the films). Sith are certainly more abundant in the past than at the time the movies take place, so I'm inclined to think there are more than 2.

Right, but just as we aren't the totality of the Jedi Order, I don't believe the Sith we'd be facing to be the totality of the Sith Order.

Therefore, it makes sense to me that a Sith infiltration on the Embleton flight would be a master/apprentice situation rather than a Sith Collective.

There could be a ton of Sith, but it doesn't mean they associate with one another the same way the Jedi Council do.

Sack, cartman, path...guys, do the right thing here. Obviously we saw last night that one or more of us can be compelled to vote for someone else. We need to band together, right or wrong for one candidate. If it's a close race between two, they're going to switch the vote to their advantage.

Hmm, interesting. If it is the belief that dubb was the apprentice, then the Sith Master is the only one left? If so, the only way he wins is to last until there are only 2 people left? This will be one long game if is true.

I can guarantee Taz votes me today. In all likely hood, I'd guess one or two players will feel compelled to vote me tonight before the deadline. We have to keep the #1 vote getter, regardless of who, high enough to where the vote cannot be swung.

Nope.

Forgot to add that it could be shorter if there are any conversions.

Then you're relying on the compelling votes. Interesting, just like yesterday.

I'm not convinced dubb WAS the apprentice. Didn't his death seem to indicate an affinity for the Dark Side, but no control over it?

Nope, I'm relying on my death reveal as a Jedi to get you unanimously voted for the next day.

That's an interesting point.

And Taz unvoting himself makes it, if I read the count right, 4-3, making it much easier for the Sith to accomplish just that.

Hmm.

You won't be a jedi.

Yes, I will.

If you are a jedi, then your deductive skills need work.

Only if you stolen some clothing.

If you're a jedi, you're doing a terrible job of it.

AE's Hit List:
1. Taz
2. Desnudo
3. Tanglewood

Remember this if I'm gone due to some compelling votes from the lynch.

I could say the same for you.

I think you did, dork.

No, I said your deductive skills need work.