Good guys don't generally abduct children at gun point, at least in my experience.

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Great Read.

That's for sure. However, the only difference between Ethan's group and Zeke's group at this point is that Zeke's group had a gun when trying to abduct a child. Is it possible that Zeke's group knows the other group will need to get Walt for some reason, and have taken him to prevent that from happening?

The reason I ask is because Zeke's group has allowed the Oceanic flight survivors to live on the beach without too much trouble (especially if it turns out that Ethan was not one of them). After Jack, Sawyer, and Locke handed over their guns Zeke kept his word and left, rather than just shooting them right there. If we go back to the boat, their actions did seem to suggest they were very bad, but I'm wondering if this due to some necessity that we can't see. Probably not, but I'm not convinced they are completely bad at this point.

All Reuters News
'Lost' cast members find big pay rises

Mon Jan 23, 1:22 AM ET

The cast of ABC's "Lost" has even more to cheer about beyond the show's recent Golden Globe win for best drama series.

"Lost" producer Touchstone Television has offered all original members of the large ensemble cast a substantial salary bump in exchange for an additional year to the actors' current contracts. The studio's pre-emptive offer would see the actors earn almost $80,000 each an episode next season, the show's third, up from a range of about $20,000-$40,000 for most cast members this season.

All original cast members, including Matthew Fox, Evangeline Lilly, Josh Holloway, Naveen Andrews, Dominic Monaghan, Terry O'Quinn, Jorge Garcia, Daniel Dae Kim, Yunjin Kim and Harold Perrineau, have been offered the same deal and are expected to take it. Fox, who plays the pivotal role of Jack, is said to have earned an extra bonus of at least

$250,000.

However, in the spirit of the show where no character is safe from being killed off or otherwise removed from the mysterious island where the series is set, the actors are said to have no guarantees about the length of their tenure on the show.

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Representatives for Touchstone TV and all "Lost" cast members declined comment for this report. ABC and Touchstone are owned by Walt Disney Co.

The substantial raise would put the "Lost" actors on par with what the ladies of ABC's "Desperate Housewives" are now making, industry sources said. The core "Housewives" quartet of Teri Hatcher, Felicity Huffman, Marcia Cross and Eva Longoria, who also started off in the $20,000-$40,000 range, all reportedly received bonuses of $250,000 midway though the show's first season as well as equal salary bumps for Season 2, bringing their per-episode fees to the high-five to low-six figures, depending on each actress' starting salary.

This is understood to be the first salary bump for the "Lost" cast members, who reportedly received a bonus of an extra episode fee between Seasons 1 and 2.

"Lost," which boasts one of the largest casts and the highest production values in primetime, has been a passion project for most of the actors on the show.

When actors sign on to do a network pilot, they are automatically committed to long-term deals that usually run at least five years. It's common industry practice that when a show is a big hit, cast members are rewarded with salary bumps and bonuses beyond the studio's contractual obligations. "Lost" has been the rare combination of a critical and commercial hit for ABC, earning a rabid worldwide following, the Emmy last year for best drama series and the drama series Golden Globe last week.

"Lost" has done very well in DVD sales, finishing 2005 as the second-best-selling TV-DVD with 1.04 million units sold, according to trade publication Home Media Retailing, and it has been the driving force for the 1.5 million downloads of Walt Disney Co.-produced series that Apple's iTunes music store has sold for viewing on iPods since Disney struck its groundbreaking download-on-demand licensing pact with Apple in October.

A new-media spin-off designed for cell phones, "Lost Video Diaries," is slated for launch on Verizon V Cast service this month.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

This episode wasn't that good.


I wonder who would win in a fight between Mr Eko, Jack Bauer, and Chuck Norris.

Charlie sure didn't like this episode.

Charlie needed a bigger ass beating than what he got. The promo for the next episode looks good though. Anyone know how big a layoff we have between this one and the next?

According to Lost-Tv.com the next episode airs in two weeks.

well, that was really gay

Fantastic episode...

Yeah...I thought so, too. It brought an edge to Charlie and an even bigger edge to Locke (did anyone else see him changing the lock on the gun room and think that the episode was about a changing 'Locke', as well?)

Plus, I like the (unintentional?) Beatles reference in the scene with Charlie's dad...
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dola -
What's the thought on Libby and Hurley? As far as I can tell, he couldn't have stepped on her foot when he boarded the plane since his seat was at the front and she was a tailie...what's she hiding?

The tailie husband was supposed to be in front as well.

but dont you have to enter from the back to get to the front when your getting seated?

Every plane I've ever been on has had the entrance at the front...

Every plane for me as well.

Speaking of where you are on the plane...

Charlie...shouldn't he have been a tailie? He came running up from the back and into the bathroom...presumably chased by tailie Cindy and the other flight attendants. The ruckus begins shortly after Charlie locks himself in.

How does Cindy end up in the back of the plane that quickly?

short answer: they didn't know they'd be adding cast members in season 2 when they shot Charlie's scenes.

there is definitely something funky with Libby. That convo with Hurley was just odd and seems to be planting the seeds for some twists and turns. I know there's a lot of speculation that she's another plant from the Others (which would crank the intrigue up quite a bit as she seems to have knowledge of stuff occuring on the plane). That seems a bit to obvious though. Perhaps she just is someone from Hurley's past (Psychiatrist from his hospital?) which is why he is recognizing her.

meh... i'm almost ready to call it quits and just get caught up when the full season is out on DVD. I can't stand this pattern of good episode, lame episode, 13 weeks off, lame episode, 2 weeks off, lame episode, 4 weeks off...

...for me to poop on. I thought this was the worst episode of the season so far.

I think we all needed to see this again.

Yea, my reaction to tonight's episode was "meh". Locke seems to be the one turning towards the dark side if you will.

Agreed. It was a hard watch.

Bad, bad, episode. Did we really need to see Charlie's past with his brother again? Did it offer any other insights into his character other than he values family (which we got from one of the other episodes about him).

While I thought this was a throwaway, useless, episode, I do think it set up Charlie to go to the dark side. He will be completely outcast by the group, and Zeke will show up to offer him refuge. He will, in essence, become an other. I think Locke is not turning to the dark side, but to take conrol of the group.

Agreed with most of the sentiments here. I thoroughly hated that episode. It made me dislike Charlie and even dislike Locke, something I didn't want to do. I think it changes the show a bit for the near term, but not in a good way at all.

Locke was supposed to be, after all, the one who always seemed to understand, willing to listen, in tune with the extraordinary. In this episode, he was short, always annoyed and violent - not like the Locke we've seen before.

Bad, bad episode as far as I'm concerned. It felt like they were trying REALLY hard to manufacture some sort of conflict without really using the character qualities they've already established.

Hurley has a shot with Libby...in bizzaro world.

Girls changing behind your back = hot

Give me the side of a boob and my mechanical work goes into overdrive.

Biggest yawn yet. At least if they generated some real conflict there would be some interest. This episode could have been condensed to six good minutes. And dream sequences are just lame IMO.

One question I had: why didn't Locke just destroy the statues/drugs? Why did he bother to keep them/lock them up?

I think they would be worth keeping for medical purposes. Jack is likely running low on any painkillers, etc...

:D People start injuring themselves on purpose to get a little fix. What? You broke your arm again?

And i'm glad to see him save those if that is the reasoning... IMHO a lot of the survivors have been far too reckless with destroying/disposing of stuff that could be very useful (burning the plane was a prime example).

Other than standing in line at the DPS, last night's episode was the biggest waste of an hour in my life.

This show is quickly jumping the shark for me.

not for me.
last night's episode blew major chunks. but the episode before I thought was the best of the season.

I thought this was the worst episode of the entire series. Not much to advance the overall storyline and a boring (almost painful) backstory to slug through. It is disappointing because the Echo-centered episode the week before was among the best and now we have another hiatus.

I agree, the episode last night was not that great. But I can't expect every episode to be the best ever. It slowed the story up, and not much to it besides some insights on Charlie and his actions.

Only the A-Team had great episodes every time.

Dah-da-da-daaaaaaaaa......
dun-na-na-naaaaaaaaaa

Hiatus? How long? WTF?!?!?!?!


Kiss my ass you gilligan island wannabes!

Do I have to talk about penises to get your attention?

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Those fargin eyesholes.

Roman Maroni?

Damn right you bastage. You fargin corksucker.

Actually, it sped the story up quite a bit. We went through like two or three days in one show... that's a record this season. I've really enjoyed this season, but this was easily the worst/most boring of them all. Not that I don't like Charlie, and I thought the flashback wasn't bad (probably average), but the island was pretty boring, and we never really got an answer for his actions. Normally at the end of a person's episode, we get some reason or something as to why what happened did happen. Didn't feel that way.

i like when the new tailend girl told jack if your hitting it. Referring to Katie

Definitely the weakest episode thus far, but I am not about to claim this show has "jumped the shark" based on one soft episode. It happens. I liked all the Hurely stuff. It was quite funny and well done. I assume that Libby was a psychologist who worked at the hospital Hurley was a patient at.

The Charlie stuff was lame.

Charlie has been possibly my least favorite character (maybe Michael), so as soon as I saw it was going to be a Charlie-centric episode my expectations were dramatically lowered. Perhaps because of that I didn't think it was a horrible episode. It was definitely pretty mediocre, but I think the second season, for the most part, has been pretty mediocre.

Charlie's not my least favorite. He's my 2nd least. CLAIRE is my least favorite. and I hate babies in movies/tv shows. so I was definitely loving that episode.
:rolleyes:

She is definitely in the mix for me. Claire, Charlie and Michael are the weakest of the original group. The total bitch from the tail also sucks.

Ana Lucia?
I have made this determination on her: when she's being the tough bitch, she's as annoying as hell. but when she's being the flirty new girl? ooh la la.

I'm with the anti-Claire camp. Her saying "My Baby!!!" is nearly as annoying as Michael's constant "WALT!!!" Plus, she looks like the third Olsen twin.

Wow!! I thought about that and Claire does look like an Olsen twin! My least fav. characters are: Claire, Michael, Sun(Jin's Wife??)/Jin

So next week they are airing "Numbers" - the episode where Hurley runs off in to the woods after Rousseau.

Wasn't that an episode from last season? Man, they are really killing me here. As much as I love watching the show, they give me twice as many reasons not to want to watch it anymore. I really wonder how long they can continue doing this shit and get away with it.