So now what generalissimo?

Hmmm you should have been able to unless I did not do something right there. Sorry if you wasted your ability there.

Honestly did you lose hit points? I had nothing ordered for you last night. And according to the way things work around here now, you will be let out tonight.

:popcorn:

I missed this but super :thumbsup: for the muppet reference

I'm confused about what Zinto did to be put in jail for speaking out against Thomkal. What am I missing?

JLo is totally overrated as an actress/star/icon/hipster/everything

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Wow... WW here we come.

Thanks DanGarion

Raven, zinto spoke out against me early on in his posts today, and paid the price for doing so. Hearing what he said after being imprisoned first leaves me confused and second makes me think I was right to imprison him.

Well I'm off to bed now to think about all this and figure out where to go from here. Asking EF questions rather than me right now is probably a good idea because I have several questions about all this I will ask him in the morning.

since you guys aren't getting it...

i read the manifest twice
the first night I found out things about these colonists...
- A Chief of Staff at a major hospital was forced to resign about a scandal involving deaths of a bunch of patients

- politician = forced out due to bribery

- a blogger = identity theft

The chief was obviously autumn as he talked about it. THe politician was ...suicane? anyway bribery for a politician is hardly a crime anymore. I don't know the blogger


The second night...
- professional gamer = insurance fraud

- chemist = a drug dealer

- bioengineer = accused of unethical research

I don't know the gamer. Narcizo is the only chemist we have (that has admitted to being a chemist) and his main crime is not sharing. :P
THe bioengineer...that was schmidty or danny right?

I could have learned names instead on the second night but I didn't see a point since most of these occupations were announced in the thread. THen the next night the manifest "was gone"

It's interesting that the options of the day are completely different than they were when font was the leader. I wonder if the folks manipulating us from the outside have changed the game to suit the person in charge. Thomkal's background would fit the "lynch 'em all until you find the guilty person" approach.

that's probably why

not last night but he said he tried to use his fisticuffs in my nice peaceful jailcell. I lost a ton before and that was on top of starvation damage.
We shall overcome! Attica!Attica!Attica!Attica!Attica!Attica!

Here

so wait . Am I in jail? Am I out of jail? I thought it said I was out but someone else said I was still there.

thanks!

so shark is the shapeshifter doppleganger from abe's game. He's broken into THIS game! RUN! he's stealing our identities!

You are out of jail.

that item was SO WORTH IT!

Thanks for the additional info CF! This is starting to get fun!!

Why is CF out of jail? For that matter, what's going on with Zinto?

Full disclosure I am the blogger. Now you know..

GIVE ME BACK MY CREDIT CARD NUMBER!

Here's a (crazy?) thought... If our leader influences the type of government our colony is ruled by, maybe the other positions have similar effects? If our chemist (narc?) was our lead scientist, would we then be able to analyze the drug we've been injected with...?

I feel like too many eggs have gone rotten since we got here.

Ok, who's on computer duty?

That makes a lot of sense. Is it possible to appoint Narc as lead scientist for a Day and find out?

Just caught up from everything last night. Things have certainly taken an interesting turn here.

I'm very curious to see Thomkal's reasoning for immediately voting for Zinto. What does our suzerain overlord see in him that makes him deserving of being potentially lynched?

That is exactly what I was getting at. However, I've tried to look at this through the perspective of my own background and it doesn't make any sense. I can't see what my own leadership objectives would be given my background. Perhaps having a construction background my objectives would be similar to fonts, building up the colony. Not that I need to be leader, was just using myself as a way to gauge whether this was possibly true.

I am having a blast so far. Can't wai tto do another.

ha!

glad i wasn't the only one thinking that :)

Wow... At least we got our supplies.if we sealed off from the craft we may have lost communications.

EF: Are communications with earth based in the landing craft?

That will be answered at deadline today. :devil:

Our task today... Vote on who is the murderer. This should be fun... Not. I have made my thoughts clear... I haven't seen much in the way of logical lists of threats except for a few personal vendettas being staged. How the hell do we decide on who the murderer is? Remember... This is our only task.arghh.

Anyone else think EF likes that devil emoticon a bit much!!

Well, that was eventful. I was worried something like that might happen if we voted Thomkal in, but Font wasn't pushing for the role so hopefully it works out for the best in the end.

Do we think there is some significance to the murders and accidents involving wire. Is that a clue to the identity? Have we pieced together any other clues from the investigations?

Thom, if your day zero goal was to be leader, why did you block the people running for sheriff with that day zero goal?

And if we can appoint someone to become sheriff I think we should try and put someone in that position that had the day zero goal of becoming sheriff to see if that alters our daily actions at all. Assuming there were 3 other people besides myself that had the day zero goal of becoming sheriff that shouldn't be a problem. And before you think this is a pitch to take over that role myself, no, it does not need to be me.

While I don't agree with the way he went about it, if it was indeed his goal to be leader, I see the merit behind it. He needed a leadership role of some sort to promote himself. Getting Sheriff helped him do that. From there, he just had to wait for an opportunity. It presented itself and now he has the position he wants.

Dishonest? Yes. But would you expect more from 'retired' General that was forced to resign amidst some sort of scandal we don't know the details of?

First they came ... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...

It was a not so great move because EF said Day one that if we accomplished personal goals we got a extra ability. It completely hurt our colony.

So to stop me from talking about how Thom clearly knew that this was going to be the outcome he:

1. Put me in jail for no reason.
2. Sent Shoveler to beat me up.
3. Voted for me. For talking against him. When we are trying to find a killer.

Thomkal, could you please quote the post where Zinto speaks out against you?

I agree that this was a terrible move for our colony. But in terms of what Thomkal was trying to do it was brilliantly pulled off.

Now, I don't think he would have done this if not for the Bull Moose Special, but who is to say that wasn't his option...

Here you go Chief. All these scary posts outlining exactly what I was afraid of.

So what ever happened to the gun?

"Janie's got a gun
Janie's got a gun
Her whole world's come undone
From lookin' straight at the sun
What did her daddy do?
What did he put you through?
They said when Janie was arrested
they found him underneath a train"

Maybe he was found under the BMS!

oh yeah. forgot about that. The fact that we don't know who has it scares me.

Darn it... who left it in the pod?

Which reminds me... can we just send the murderer to lockup in the pod? That'd be funky.

Well lets get the ball rolling here and see what happens.

Thom, you and I may need to have a chat this evening. So in light of that you have a couple options.

1. You can throw me in jail, and look very suspicious
2. You can explain why you are voting against Zinto for speaking out against you, and help me understand why I feel like I was intentionally blocked from interrogating him last night.
3. You can let me visit you this evening and when I end up dead you will also look suspicious
4. You can book your stay in the medical center now

You now know my intentions, what you do should speak volumes for the rest of the colony.

:cool:

at least you brought protection...

Shoveler, did you try to interrogate him and couldn't? Or were you directed by Thom not to even try. Huge difference in my mind.

that didn't work... --poli punches EF in the gut--

Hey...

I tried, but I was blocked since he was already put in jail.

I could see it in the quoted reply (but it didn't show in my posted quoted reply), wondered how you had a blank post. :)

This is going to be a fascinating day. Especially since we only have a 5% chance of nabbing the murderer tonight.

I have a greater than 5% chance as I have some notes jotted down as I've been reading. :)

Good point though Grover... we now have 10 hours to narrow this list down to 1. And many don't seem to trust our leader. Actually, it may be left in his hands anyways so if we don't trust him our vote may become meaningless.
Remember that EF said:

vote Crimson Fox

Fits my earlier profile of avoiding meaningful spotlight and the injuries and deaths seem to have stopped since he was locked up. I don't feel we have much more to go on to be honest. If we feel that there is more than one baddy organised then getting some other options out there is important. If we're really just looking for a lone murderer then, well, it isn't.

Having an (effective) day one vote on page 46 must be some sort of record.

what i find interesting narcizo is that you felt you had to lie about your background. I mean the drug dealer thing really means nothing out here.
unless there really IS another chemist around but i doubt there'd be doubles.
and you are so quick to judge me.

I am very worried tha a vote for Thomkal will accomplish nothing as far as a trial goes. Especially if he is voted to go on trial. He certainly can't judge his own hearing? Who takes over? Who makes the decisions then...

There's a lot of angles to this.

Don't be to quick to haphazardly vote for people. I think we should take a deeper look into this before throwing someone under the bus without proof.

Your view is much too benevolent. I presume if Thomkal is voted for trial, there won't even be a trial.

FTR, while it is possible, I don't think Thomkal is the murderer, and that he has been an asset for the colony. I think becoming a martial law dictator of the colony might have been an end goal for him, and he is merely playing out his role. He probably wants to find the murderer as much as any of us.

My thought is that we should give Thomkal someone he has no reason to find guilty in order to stall this process.

What, keep sending Thomkal to trial, so that Thomkal the judge makes him Not Guilty and no one dies?

But then, we don't get the murderer. And the murderer continues to kill in the mean time.

I don't think stalling the process is necessarily a good thing. This is how we root out the murderer.

Exactly this. I think we need infinitely more discussion on who it could potentially be though.

I'm not convinced it's Fox or Thomkal.

You may be right. I am running off the assumption that eventually someone is going to come up with concrete information. But if they have they may not be revealing it as it would make them a target.

Perhaps the best course of action is to send someone to trial based on the information that Thoms decision will give.

My head hurts. Must be the toxins.

(OOC: First off, sorry I'm just checking in now, and as soon as I write this I'll be afk for an hour or so. Rotten timing I know, but it could be worse-I put off till tomorrow something that will take me away from the computer much of the afternoon)

(OOC2: I'm going to shoot some questions to EF after posting this that should give me a clearer sense of what's going on and what I can tell you. Please all I'm asking is that you give me a chance, things may not be as bad as they seem.)

(OOC3: All of this is not under my control, so you should look back over the results last night carefully and make sure not to repeat them)

This is tough, since we have no idea if there is a conversion mechanism in this game. I could see there being only 1 "murderer" at this point, and him getting replaced if we vote him out, or could see the bad guys having 2-3 people at this point. Since we've got no idea, I'll just try and focus on that first person.

We've got what seems like a ton of UTR people which doesn't help. One thing that seems to have been touted as a way to catch people is based on the secrets from their histories, but I'm not really sure how to use that information. Maybe the more egregious crimes/scandals would suggest people who are more willing to continue that behavior?

Obviously the manifest seems like it could be important if we were able to cross-reference it with pieces of information we have, but as I understand it CF only learned about a few people.

Lots of random thoughts...

CrimsonFox
-Has revealed some information about the manifest. We know a little more info than we previously knew. Some people have confirmed his claims, so at least some of the claims he has made are known to be true.
-He also claimed to be the stowaway. I have no clue why. I don't think he'd confess, if he really was the stowaway. CF, why did you do that?

fontisian
-Was given the manifest by shark, but has revealed no information about it. I can understand as leader why you may keep that information to yourself, but now that you no longer are leader, we want to know what you know.

timmae
-claimed to be our best scientist, but we now find out he is a blogger. Maybe he is still a scientist, but I am not convinced how good of one he is.
I pushed the idea to question both his and DanGarion's background info early on, and despite having very little information about his "science" background, you guys voted for him as our scienctific leader anyway. I am not claiming that he is our stowaway; in fact if he IS the blogger and was on the manifest, as CF claimed he was, it seems he is not.

Thomkal
- his reaction to Zinto is far extreme.


The vote
- keep in mind WE the colony get to decide the fate. That does not mean we need to kill the person if Thomkal finds them guilty.

This is something to consider. If you're on the manifest, you're not the stowaway. So we can use CF's info and anything font might be able to contribute to help narrow down our candidates, though.

Of course, that brings us to another question: if the stowaway is not the murderer (a presumption I believe at the moment), then does finding the stowaway do us any good? What purpose does the stowaway serve? Why are they here?

This is of course assuming CF is not the stowaway as he claims. If he is, of course, hopefully he can provide us with some answers.

What motivation would he have to lie about being the stowaway?

This is very curious. What did we do yesterday which we are at risk of repeating today?

Is this information Thomkal can't be more specific on for some in-game reason? Or do we just wait for him to return and he will be able to explain?

You have played with CF before lol. He is a man of his own motivations. ;)

Really, though, with all of the different victory conditions, I don't know that we can make the assumption that he has no reason to lie or mislead about that.

It's always nice when we get concrete information from someone trustworthy, but that's not a winning strategy in WW, where the bad guys are usually operating with much information than we are.

You need the pressure of an active vote and the threat of lynch to force the hands of those who would otherwise stay in hiding on the sideline.

I don't know. But I also don't know why he would tell us that he was, either.
If the stowaway is here to hurt us, why would he admit to being the stowaway?
If the stowaway was here to help us (in some unknown way), that would make him the enemy of our enemy and would make him a target to our enemy.

Even if he is using reverse psychology, admitting to being the stowaway will at some point make him a target of our vote. That's inevitable...

If font does not come clean with her knowledge of the manifest, I am voting font to be on trial tonight.

THIS THIS THIS

altho I still don't know what a bad guy IS in this game....nor a good guy

If I believed CF, I would probably vote Autumn, with the idea that a mass murderer is a good bit more likely to continue that behavior rather than a corrupt politician.

the thing about font. she obviously is no fan of mine. she has been slightly against me since the beginning and even moreso now. Altho I don't know her style.

It could be just as simple as I wasn't voting for her to be leader in the beginning and therefore she put me on her notrust list and that was it.

And since then she may have decided i can't be trusted about anything.
which is fine. But she doesn't really seem to be hunting or analyzing others.
If I missed something please correct me.

But the biggest thing about font is she definitely seems to have a bunch of people kinda kissing her behind and saying "give it to font. give it to font" for pretty much no reason.

which is why he was the main person I exposed out of the gate. The others didn't set off red flags. Mostly white collar crimes. Granted ANYONE can kill someone. And I thought autumn might just be a red herring UNTIL schmidty and danny died. Then i kinda felt i had to let you guys know about him in case i died.

But to be clear, your most recent description of my details in the manifest said that multiple people died at hte hospital I was chief of. Which sounds more like i left because of malpractice. The first time you reported this, you made me sound like a mass murderer. All I know was i resigned because of a scandal, which sounds a lot more like the former than the latter. Can you be clear about what you actually read?

Unless you got something more specific, CF, my impression from the descriptions you were given of Autumn's scandal is that there were suspicious deaths at the hospital he ran. I entirely can buy that he had a hand in that. But that's a big leap to "mass murderer". It is also another massive leap to mean he is our murderer.

It seems as likely to me that Autumn made some medically and ethically questionable decisions at his hospital that led to deaths, which is certainly very bad, but not in serial killer territory. Being implicated in accidental deaths through bad decision making and ethics isn't quite the same as personally strangling someone.

He may very well be our murderer, but what I have heard so far is very far from conclusive.

If the deaths at the hospital were related to terminally ill and suffering patients being put out of their misery, that may fit the MO of our two deaths, but not the accident.

Not me. Because I truly believe I'm a better leader. But that didn't happen.

Yeah, I was thinking of that possibility, too. We don't have enough info to know. The descriptions to me, though, sound more like malpractice, like Autumn says a couple posts above, than actual hands-on murder.

My assumption is that each one of us has some disturbing secret in our past, and so that's not going to point us to the murderer. It may be that the clues will lead us to the particular dirty secret, or it may be that the clues to the murderer don't connect to their past, but to something else, like being resistant to the chemical we're being given.

So my thoughts are: A) Look for backgrounds and dirty secrets that connect to the facts of the case, such as the wire that has been used in all the murders. What kind of wire was it? Does that lead us to an electrician or something? B) Lead some sort of investigation into the chemicals we're being given and see if someone is resistant to it or reacting differently to it. Is this something our science team can research, or we can do in the medical center? C) Look at behavior in thread and try to guess the motives behind the various characters. What is the murderer's goal and how would they act in thread. Several players have acted curiously, to me, which suggest some sort of hidden goal, but is it one of a murderer or just being selfish?