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lol - nope! you fail!!! VOTE MARTIND |
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Dubb, I've had those posts up for four days now. I'm sorry if there are any errors in them (I'm not going to have time to look now but will later) but I think I've been very consistent in saying that you are among the most trusted villagers in the game based on your two votes for EF on Days 1 and 2. I'm definitely not guilty of trying to do anything to sabotage your credibility.
Pass - I think Autumn's plan of attack (look at the PB voters from D2) and if you don't like the way I worded it then I don't know what to tell you. I also don't have time right now for 20 questions on why I feel this way but I think my posts have been pretty consistent in explaining my viewpoint. |
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You think Autumn's plan of attack.....what? I'm taking the rest of your post to mean that you DO have time for 19 questions, of which my previous sentence was one. |
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Thanks. Since DT answered it, I withdraw the question, and still have 19 left. |
Anyway, talk about bass ack wards. I see the strategy here, but....uh...EF was the wolf, right?
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yeah...not sure why we'd look harder at EF (who was the wolf and ended up with MORE votes on him) then at PB who ended up with fewer votes on him. That part to me doesn't make any sense - like the people advancing that strategy want us to have a lower % chance of catching a wolf...
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No, Autumn is saying to look at the PB voters today. To ignore the EF voters and look at the PB ones from Day 2.
Anyone looking at the EF voters today is distracting people from the side of the vote that probably contains more wolves. And I'm backing that plan knowing that I'm on the wrong side of the vote on Day 2. I (mostly) was not trying to be a smartass on the 20 questions thing. I'll be lucky to have 10 minutes in the thread over the next couple of hours. |
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What do you mean, look at the PB voters today -- what other day would we look at them? And really, that use of the word distracting is worrisome from you. You're definitely one of the drivers in this game so far, and to come out with a word like that, as if this is the only thing we should be talking about, just doesn't jive. I didn't think you were being a smartass on the 20 questions thing -- well, I did, but in a good way -- I just thought you were giving a shout-out to the grilling of clap, but just letting me know that you don't have time. And that's cool -- no one is ever under any obligation to respond, I just kept grilling clap because he was here to chat, but just felt like discussing his vote was meaningless. |
Votes as of post #2212
1 - Telle - Poli (1981) 4 - Lerriuqs - Autumn (2021), hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189) 1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087) 2 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190) |
Ouch - I'm a bad salesman...that guy just raked me over the coals on the phone.
"c'mon...you do this all day...you can do better than that." |
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So MartinD's vote was big, but lerriuqs's vote was not? FTR, lerriuqs's vote does not move, either, but you don't mention that. Also FTR, dubb, I don't believe that his mislabeling your vote, and forgetting to chalk up your EF vote later was intentional -- if hoops is going to be sneaky, I think he's more likely to sneakily lead us with his comments, rather than just get the record wrong on purpose. |
Pass, I'm voting Lerriuqs! Obviously I think that was significant and I have that called out in my player-by-player review posts (version 2 - the detailed one) from Friday afternoon.
I think MartinD and PF both had very good votes, which is why I have them (along with Dubb and Autumn) as my most trusted villagers in the list I published either late Friday or Saturday. |
Oh geez, I don't know what I was thinking -- when I made that post, I was sure MartinD and lerriuqs had both voted for EF. Oh well. How many questions do I get docked for that one?
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Pass is correct - I have yet to play a game where I've messed with the vote totals, posts, whatever in an attempt to mislead people. I may make a mistake here and there with a post # or recording the info but there is never malicious intent in terms of shaping the game as a wolf.
Who knows if I would do it in the future? I don't think I would because until the very, very endgame because the risk most likely does not outweigh the reward. |
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One thing that I would ask - you have quoted the "record of the posts" stuff but not my analysis posts (player by player) that immediately follow. I think the analysis posts have a lot more meat to them and serve as a better barometer for my feelings on players. By all means, reference the posts stuff (better for universal timeline) but if you are asking questions about how I feel on people I think you might find that I've answered some/many of the questions already in the "version 2" analysis post. I'll dig up the post when I get home tonight, but that won't happen for a few hours. I think I posted it somewhere around 3PM CST on Friday of last week, give or take an hour ... |
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I wouldn't say I'm specifically looking for your feelings on people. I just happen to have the post record pasted into an open text file here, so it's more handy. And since your comments are thrown in there, I get to read them a lot. |
I guess what I should say is that I'm looking at what you might be trying to "inject" into the discussion -- the post record has comments from you, that are taken a little more "as law" then what your feelings on players are.
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I reserve the right to have made minor changes to my thought process between Friday afternoon and now, but here is the post. |
It would be quite hypocritical of me to vote for Lerriuqs for being UTR, wouldn't it? Haha...I should be back before deadline to catch up and put a vote in.
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Haggis isn't all that bad - is just what it's made of and what it comes in that people have problems with. (While I don't like haggis, it's not a 'wouldn't eat it if you put a gun to my head'-type of dislike - more 'would prefer something else, but will eat it if there isn't a better option'.) |
This is where, in an ideal world, I would put my vote on lerriuqs and give him a chance to explain himself. Unfortunately, it's not an ideal world - I'm signing off for the night in the next half-hour or so, and I probably won't be around to switch my vote if lerriuqs turns up.
I'll have a look through recent posts to see if I can come up with a better candidate, but will vote for lerriuqs if I can't see another option. |
OK, my company has left for the day which means that I once again have (nearly) unfettered access to the thread.
Time to see where the votes sit right now. |
VOTE Hoops
I need the self-preservation vote... I discussed my voting pattern and lack of posting a day or so ago. I've nothing to add now other than if you lynch me, you get a villager. I'm not going to fight it. |
I've got class tonight that's going to keep me out from 6-9 or thereabouts. I'm not positive about this vote but I've been following the thread today and I feel good about it for now; hopefully I'm not missing out on some great info in the next couple hours.
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I'll be around for the next half hour if anyone wants to sum up the case against hoops or telle, I've been busy and skimmed a bit of the thread.
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exaggerate much...i was in the thread for an hour during my lunch, and popped back for 10 minutes...you have a strange definition of all day go "lathum" all over someone else, because your crap really isnt going to work the same way on me |
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see heres the thing about being new to the game...we all were once, so we do understand the confusion that comes with this...but if you are confused, ask questions, and people will help you...i realize it was somewhat tounge in cheek, but on day one when someone (telle i think) asked for a summation of what acceptable day one voting strategies were, someone actually wrote up a list. just sitting back and not saying anything is more of a hinderance than help |
I understand the Lerriuqs votes. I guess I can sort of understand the Dubb vote, as misguided as it is. But the Pass vote is all kinds of strange to me.
Look, we are significantly reducing our chances of getting a wolf today by putting me in harms way here. I know that this is a pretty empy claim that any villager can make, but I'm just puzzled by people's willingness to continue throwing me into the mix when there are numerous players whose voting records are really suspect. It is a low value play. |
Votes as of post #2231
1 - Telle - Poli (1981) 5 - Lerriuqs - Autumn (2021), hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228) 1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087) 3 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190), Lerriuqs (2229) Yet to Vote - MartinD, DaddyTorgo, PackerFanatic, Chief Rum, Lathum and Telle |
What is the case against you, hoops? Stemming from voting on PB?
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Thanks but I don't need a lecture and I'm not confused about anything going on. You're not killing a wolf by killing me...You'll see. |
When looking at the "not voted" it doesn't seem likely that Lathum will be casting his vote today. So that really leaves five non-votes at this point.
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I may well be voting for a villager, but his lack of activity doesn't feel right to me. |
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But by putting his name there, I can taunt him more. |
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Not that I can tell - best I can figure, people think I'm leading them down bad paths. I haven't heard the criticism being very vote-centric. |
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Hrm. I don't have enough trust in the people voting for you to make that kind of move before I leave, so I think I'll stay put. Hopefully this vote ends up positively for us. |
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sorry..didnt mean to come off preachy with the lecture feel...was just trying to explain my vote. |
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S'ok. :) |
Votes as of post #2243
1 - Telle - Poli (1981) 6 - Lerriuqs - Autumn (2021), hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238) 1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087) 3 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190), Lerriuqs (2229) Yet to Vote - DaddyTorgo, PackerFanatic, Chief Rum, and Telle |
I have about an hour till I head out for the night. I'm very disappointed in what I'm seeing over the last 6 hours, though.
I could vote for Telle or Jackal rather easily, even saldana for his voting record. Hoops I don't like, but is it really coming down to hoops or licorice (I kid with the name, of course)? Why the heck are we letting telle off the ledge? A lot of finger pointing going on here and I'm fairly frustrated and disappointed. I think just about everyone still in the game outside of dubb and chief rum have been mentioned as suspect. Then again, it's my birthday and I've been rather pissy about just about everything today. It's a personal issue so I'll set it aside. I'll admit that I really wanted telle to be lynched instead of eaglefan the other day, but I saw that role reveal/non-role reveal (depends on how you look at it), and it smelled of manure. I figured anything might happen. It certainly bit us in the butt last game. Going down that path, it actually reminds me that I kind of liked hoops early on when he mentioned his "logic" for voting for eaglefan. Could it have been staged? Maybe, but I doubt it. |
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Hoops all I can say is that I must have missed it the first time it was posted b/c when I read it when Pass posted it it REALLY pissed me off. I said my peace and left still pissed off. I've cooled down now. As for my vote, I may be willing to move it to Saldana, but I just don't like the voters on Lerriuqs enough to vote that way. He's been UTR, and he seems like he is unwilling to defend himself here except with a vote, but the names as voters on him with the exception of Autumn and Abe aren't exactly the most trustworthy bunch. Pass would be an interesting vote alternative as well. |
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I've already mentioned that I'm suspicious of the Pass vote, too. I really think he's voting for me just because I pressed him on his voting pattern. His reluctance to talk about it makes me suspicious of him. Hoops, I forget how many questions I have left with you, but I think I'll transfer them all to clap. I think I've picked your brain enough for the day. |
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Ouch, is this still almost always a wolf move? |
i should have a quick dinner coming up but be around till deadline...my vote is still out there...i'm really not enamored of being on the lerriuqs bandwagon - i feel like if we've got a bandwagon we've got a villager.
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Serious question, I don't think I've seen this since my very extended break and back then it was almost always a wolf move. |
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If it is, it won't be this time. Of that I can promise. |
Votes as of post #2252
1 - Telle - Poli (1981) 7 - Lerriuqs - Autumn (2021), hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248) 1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087) 2- hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190) Yet to Vote - DaddyTorgo, PackerFanatic, Chief Rum, and Telle |
Looks like a runaway vote now. Sigh.
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Okay dude, NOW it's lecture time. Throughout the course of playing werewolf, people are going to vote to remove you from the game. A lot of people. And it may be frustrating to you for whatever reason. But you just have to deal with it instead of resorting to things like this. I think the problem is that people get frustrated with the ones that are the most suspicious of them, and think that in order to stay alive, they need to convince those most suspicious of them that they're good -- and when faced with this Herculean feat, they buckle. However, this is not the way to stay alive -- the way to stay alive is to convince the people who aren't on you, or maybe on the fence about you, to vote for someone ELSE. |
Hello. Is this thing on?
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Should I bother in even trying to make this close?
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I've really never bothered trying to figure it out, because I get too filled with rage whenever it happens to care. |
I suppose lerriuqs and I would make it somewhat closer.
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more often than not i think it's a frustrated villager play actually
if you're a wolf you'll tend to reveal and say "yeah i'm a wolf you got me" in order to give your fellow wolves cover on the bandwagon onto you. |
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28 Days Later Rage or just old fashioned rage?
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So you are saying if less than half the remaining players were voting for you AND at that point you were only down by 3 AND there were still 5 votes still to come you would reveal as a wolf if you were a wolf? |
I'm not following that line of thought at all.
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Well, I'm about to get ready for my "big night". I'll check back in before I head out.
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ive been coming up with awesome coments to the lathum saldana thing allll day, but I just cant bring myself to say any of them. i mean lathums a dick, but i kinda like him.....
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I resent that comment. Anyone who has meet me will tell you I am a helluva nice guy. |
I think Clap confused the word is and has
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I really, really don't like the pile-on on Lerriuqs. I don't think all three of my suspects are a wolf, and the fact taht everyone is glad to vote him makes me think I have the wrong one. Those of us who are working from a similar suspect list, I say we switch to Telle instead.
UNVOTE LERRIUQS VOTE TELLE A runaway when we have still 4-5 wolves in this size group makes me very worried. |
I toss this out fully acknowledging that I have not read anything but the last few posts. I just don't have time right now, in between jobs. So take it for what it's worth.
All that said, lerriuqs, the apparent favorite, was never high on my wolf list. My distrust circle runs as saldana, Telle, The Jackal and claphamsa. If a seer came out and cleared any of them, I apologize because I don't have the time to go looking right now. So since lerriuqs is not on my list and I don't know the real reason for him being the target today, I am going to throw a vote at one of my suspects instead (and if that hangs me later, so be it). VOTE CLAPHAMSA I might have stuck with saldana, my Friday favorite, but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, as I don't know that he would fight Lathum so hard if he were a wolf. Clap's my choice because of his voting record on votes we know about (Days One and Two). Rest assured, if it was not a runaway, my vote would be on one of the top candidates. I don't really see the need to go with that today, as it seems unlikely to be needed. |
Chief, if Telle is really one of your top suspects I'd rather you concentrate on her. We could make her a contender in the time left, i think, based on the amount of people with her on the suspect list.
I'd much prefer a Telle Lerriuqs run off, I think this could show us something. |
yeah - the runaway makes me think we have the wrong person in lerriuqs honestly...hmmm
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Just let me die in peace guys...
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in the hopes that that runoff would tell us something
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Also a possibility, in this game, that Lerriuqs role somehow requires or encourages this martyr act. Something to keep in mind.
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If I had a vote today it would be for Saldana. His poor vote record and the way he is trying to set me up as a lynch candidate down the road scream wolf to me.
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Votes as of post #2282
3 - Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), DaddyTorgo (2280) 6 - Lerriuqs - hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248) 1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087) 2 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190) 1 - Claphamsa - Chief Rum (2276) Yet to Vote - PackerFanatic and Telle |
Those of you on non-contenders, now would be a good time to pony up.
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I really can't see anything that indites Lerriuqs, and Telle has been most suspicious recently. |
Let me take a guess...
The Martyr Your low self-esteem makes you think that you are a better lynch candidate than anyone. If you are the lead vote getter you are required to vote for yourself. Better you than them. Man, I could write this game. |
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I wouldn't be able to tell you if you were right...;) |
And I'd probably get in trouble for revealing your role if I made one up too close to yours ;-)
FWIW, I don't necessarily believe Lerriuqs here, but I'm guessing Telle's a better target given the lack of controversy over Lerriuq votes. I've got to get the kids to bed. |
Well, we've already had a shy guy so that isn't your role :) Seriously, Lerriuqs, make a case for someone. If nothing else, it helps build character for next game.
And, in case you were paying attention, the vote is pretty close right about now. |
Tell you what, I'll make it even more interesting.
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Votes as of post #2291
4 - Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), DaddyTorgo (2280), PackerFanatic (2286) 5 - Lerriuqs - saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248) 1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087) 2 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190) 2 - Claphamsa - Chief Rum (2276), Hoopaguy (2291) Yet to Vote - Telle |
Votes as of Post #2291:
4 Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), MT (2280), PF (2286) 5 Lerriuqs - Saldana (2160), Abe (2189), Jackal (2229), MartinD (2238), Lerri (2248) 1 Pass - Clap (2087) 2 Hoops - Dubb (2184), Pass (2190) 2 Clap - Chief (2276), Hoops (2291) No votes - Telle 1981 - Poli votes Telle 1-0 2021 - Autumn votes Lerriuqs 1-1 Telle/Lerri 2036 - MT votes Hoops 1-1-1 Telle/Lerri/Hoops 2051 - MT unvotes Hoops 1-1 Telle/Lerri 2057 - Hoops votes Lerri 2-1 Lerri over Telle 2087 - Clap votes Pass 2-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass 2160 - Saldana votes Lerri 3-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass 2184 - Dubb votes Hoops 3-1-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass/Hoops 2189 - Abe votes Lerri 4-1-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass/Hoops 2190 - Pass votes Hoops 4-2-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass 2228 - Lerri votes Hoops 4-3-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass 2229 - Jackal votes Lerri 5-3-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass 2238 - MartinD votes Lerri 6-3-1-1- Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass 2248 - Lerri unvotes Hoops, votes Lerri 7-2-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass 2275 - Autumn unvotes Lerri, votes Telle 6-2-2-1 Lerri over Hoops/Telle over Pass 2276 - Chief votes Clap 6-2-2-1-1 Lerri over Hoops/Telle over Pass/Clap 2280 - MT votes Telle 6-3-2-1-1 Lerri over Telle over Hoops over Pass/Clap 2286 - PF votes Telle 6-4-2-1-1 Lerri over Telle over Hoops over Pass/Clap 2291 - Hoops unvotes Lerri, votes Clap 5-4-2-2-1 Lerri over Telle over Hoops/Clap over Pass |
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Vote Telle I'll make it really interesting. |
Warning to Lerriuqs - I'm not necessarily leaving my vote there, but I'll at least give you a chance to start either building a case for yourself or against someone else.
I've maintained for awhile - based solely on gut, not inside information, that I do not think that Telle represented the best choice despite her voting record. That is almost exclusively off Day 1 and nothing since that time. So I'm willing to move the vote to try and create another alternate to Lerriuqs but I'm not all fired up about it being Telle. |
hmmm - i'll be around till deadline but then right after deadline it's back to computer stuff and i'm not sure how long i'll be gone
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Well I have no case to build for myself other than what I've already posted in this thread. As for anyone else. If I live through the day, I'll look to build a case. But I'm ok with whatever happens. I won't be building a case on anyone today and I won't say why. |
Wow, nice deadline run on me.
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10 minutes until deadline
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