meh. you sniff out the badies better than i ever would. plus i havnt been reading :rolleyes: , so i couldnt follow if i wanted to. just staying alive and keeping the odds in our favor is all im really any good for now anyways

I agree with everything BLade said. Everythime there is some tension I think we should post a link to the egypt game so people can realize things aren't so bad anymore...

I have a role, nothing more..you showed your skills when you set me up a few games back with your night actions, so your quite capable

you were madddddddd that game, oh boy...im still stunned i get mid-day killed right after we have our total breakdown and no one connects the dots :eek:

Im still paying you back for that, and im looking forward to when were both bad so i can cut you loose on day 1 and laugh :p

I'm bored. Someone link it.

That should be, "for all intents and purposes."

Sorry, misworded idiom peeve of mine.

Daddytorgo...remember when i said we all like each other? Scratch that, i now hate someone

:)

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ht=Necromancer

Its in that thread, around night 3 day 4 i believe.

I second Alan in hating you all, especially Alan himself :P and hoops!

Lathum day-killing Blade is easily the greatest FOFC werewolf moment ever. Heck, it's got to be on the short list of greatest FOFC moments ever.

I can't believe this game isn't over yet.

No hookups, no one seen. Just the discovery of Path's body, as detailed in the general message.

Blade, hope that you came up with something clever with your view last night. The fact that you have been left alive this long implies to me that our killer is probably someone in your trust list.

Taking out Path took some guts too as he would likely have been among the list of top targets with DaddyTorgo locked up.

No hookups, no one seen for me either and I was in Whitechapel. Was a real dead night too.

I also find path's murder quite surprising, as he and DaddyTorgo were two of the most talked about suspects.

I'm guessing that either Moriarty or a Freemason killed path. I hope it was Moriarty. That being said, if it was Moriarty then DT is innocent.

VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I still suspect DT of poisoning Barkeep, and bullet's been awfully UTR and the only one I'm getting anything close to an evil vibe from at this point.

I can go with that.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE
VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

I feel the same way almost every game. Usually after signing up I tell myself, why in the hell did I sign up? There's something strangely appealing about this game. I'm lucky though, I do have time to play, but there are times that I get so damn frustrated that I feel like not playing anymore. Actually, I still feel like that. But I'm a chick and get emotional over stupid things, things I probably shouldn't. That and I really suck, I'm fucking terrible... clues get thrown around and when people say "I read the clues" I'm like what fucking clues? I didn't read shit.

Anyway, just wanted to say I know where you're coming from DT.

I just assume they are picking on my character. And that they don't know squat. I too hardly ever see the clues bandied about in most games.

fond memories...:p

Daddy, when you sign on - were you able to complete any activities last night before you were arrested?

That is one thing that has been challenging for me in trying to understand nightly events - I have not been able to follow when events are happening in terms of the two phases (1st or 2nd) or to understand what people can do in conjunction with their actions.

However, with Path's death I'm moving further towards the idea that people can not both visit a prostitute and kill on the same evenings.

There is not a single person left alive who has visited me at night.
People I have not seen at all during night sessions: Raiders, Swaggs, Bullet, Daddy.

I'm also looking for someone to come up with a good reason that we would not do full role reveals today - are there still meaningful reasons to hold onto role information in order to keep someone alive at night? They have left Blade (seer) alive for 3+ nights now ...

Crap, I was hoping to make it till the end. Good luck!

FWIW, I don't think any of us always see the clues, and sometimes the clues are frankly wrong. I think that you've come a lot further than you think you have, and I'd say the same for all of the newer players. You guys bring a lot to the table even when you think you don't.

It's really just a matter of playing more, there's no light bulb that magically comes on, you just start to see things that you might not have before. But never think that you don't have something to add as a newer player -- and if any of us are making you feel that way you need to call us on it, because it's likely not intentional or personal, but just a comment in the heat of the moment.

I think both Path and Blade had really good posts on the larger werewolf community.

I think this is a challenging game to play if you do not have cycles to give to it - there are several hundred posts a day coming from a large number of players at the outset of the game. Some of those people are trying to deceive you, while others are trying to provide information to help you make good decisions. I think it is a substantial advantage having time to see some of the information posted in real-time and be able to react to it. Reading a ton of posts at the end of the day has to be tough, as you have only a limited ability to shape the conversation by that point in time.

There is also an advantage from having played with people in previous games, as you start to build some kind of a profile for how that person acts in certain roles/situations. This is, I think, where the vets do build up a bit of an advantage in play. But that doesn't mean they are right all the time - or even most of the time.

Anyways, I would be very interested in having conversations about how we can make the game more enjoyable for people - whether it is structure of a game or changes in inter-personal behavior. I know the majority of the folks here have a lot of fun playing this game and want to continue running engaging, vibrant games with participation from everyone involved. That said, I think that moving that conversation out of this thread and into a more specific thread on the topic might be a better way to go so we don't threadjack Chief's game and to potentially include a bigger audience.

Raiders, i think its time for you to come out with everything...its not a secret anymore, and your now the only uncleared person alive

As of now, bullet would be my vote...but im not ready to place it just yet.

Blade - why Raiders vs Swaggs? I have thought Raiders had a certain role but I've never had any feel for what Swaggs' role is.

I understand you want Raiders to come forward, but some illumination between these two would be helpful.

I have scanned swaggs, and know what role he has(or had at the time i suppose)...i have not scanned raiders.

Well, as DT surmised, I can arrest people. I arrested Izulde on a guess based on his vote for Day 1, but that was apparently wrong. I arrested Swaggs because I suspected him. I arrested LSG because she was quiet and nobody vouched for her. Of course, I arrested DT because Blade told me to. ;)

I am the Chief of Inspections. The reason why I knew what happened with Lathum following hoops was because ntndeacon followed hoops that night to figure out who he was. It was revealed that hoops was a simple prostitute at the time. I have never gone out at night and I have no idea about money in this game. Thus, the gold comment at the beginning of the game. I can also duke the vote and prevent someone from being lynched.

That being said, because I have Swaggs in jail we can lynch him tonight or keep him in jail or free him. The way we keep him in jail is by bringing evidence forward that he committed the murder of Barkeep. FWIW, I do not need any evidence to jail someone; however, to keep them in jail another day/night, I must present evidence like everyone else. I did so with LSG in a PM to Chief Rum. It can be any evidence, however flimsy, but Chief Rum is the sole judge of what constitutes enough to keep that person in jail.

Forgot a few other things:

There can be up to two people in jail at a time.
Anyone who is arrested and released cannot be jailed again. So Izulde and Swaggs cannot be jailed again.

And for everyone who cant connect the dots, i scanned NTN deacon night one...so raiders knew us because of our chat with NTN, who he could speak freely with like cronin and I can. We knew him when he spoke about knowing both holmes and watson the next morning. So we have both protected the other.

I lied about seeing raiders in my urchin bid to stop the lynch turning his way, he bought silver bullets and saved me from dubb.

Raiders, that is the role I expected you to have, although obviously didn't know the particulars.

How did you and Blade interact early in the game? Because I still don't understand that part if you don't go out at night and Blade has never formally looked you up?

FWIW, that wasn't me. I just attributed that to the write-up.

I won't get completely caught up til later this afternoon, but I think our last bad guy screwed up last night. I was planning on pushing hard for a path lynch today.

OK, so lets go over information that we have up to this point.

Izulde - known good Night 0
Hoops - known good Night 1 (per RA via NTN)
Bullet - known good Night 1 (per Barkeep)
Blade/Cronin - Holmes/Watson
RA - Inspector
Swaggs - ???
DT - ???, but what was sequence for jailing vs killing? Night results suggest jail first ...


Raiders, can you shed any light on the timing of a jailing compared to other night actions?

Well screw you, i thought you went out of your way to help me...never mind, go ahead and lynch raiders



:p

DaddyT - how did you know that Raiders did the jailing? I suspected it, but that was based to a certain extent on past games played. To the best of my knowledge, you have not played in a game with him before.

Did you have access to information? If so, how?

Swaggs - Known good night 3 (per Blade and Cronin)

Well, he was the only person whos role wasnt public knowledge..it didnt seem a big secret to me who RA was

Nope. I don't know how the timing goes. I believe I asked that question of Izulde and Swaggs earlier. I was confused that one was able to perform a night action and one was not. FWIW, I don't believe that DT did not perform a night action. My guys got him while he was eating dinner.

As per the last sentence above, I don't go out. I have some guards who go out and get people.

I'm not in jail. DT is.

I was able to go to the opium den to get high AND be questioned by Blade and cronin (who should both be able to verify this) on Night 3, so it appears that it is possible to carry out a night action before being arrested.

Swaggs' role was not public knowledge - I still have no idea what he does.

Thanks for the update on that "known good" list.

BTW, I did not go out last night because I still couldn't afford it.

I am the local tanner. No special abilities.

Yes it is, he is a simple londoner...i said it the morning after i scanned him, but later on i hinted at him having one when he and raiders were squabbling quite frankly to give the bad guys more targets to consider. Swaggs was a simple londoner on night 3.

My thinking is that, unless prostitutes have been converted, we win by killing bullet and/or DT. So...

Vote Bulletsponge
Vote Lynch DaddyTorgo

Dammit! I LOL when Chief Rum asked me if I knew something that he didn't when I jailed LSG. I was like, huh?

I jailed her for the murder of Izulde. ;)

Bullet - 4

Anyone else - 0

LYNCH DT - 3

NO LYNCH DT - 1

I will probably not be back before the deadline, as I have to work late tonight. I feel pretty good about our chances of closing things out with this vote.

I'm alive, baby.

I changed it to the murder of Tyrith, which is why a note appeared on the door.

Can you give an actions breakdown, then? I know you were jailed for part of the game but I'm curious to see what the rest of the actions/money list looks like. It seems like you would have had to have pretty lousy luck not to have five shillings for last night.

What was that Blade? Looks like you just had a fight with yourself and lost. :)

nope. my PM was something to the extent of "you know the constables are coming for you, as you prepare to go out anyway and try to visit the prostitutes they show up at your door at the Inn and arrest you."

DT, any strong opinions on who might be the last (?) killer and why?

My name is John Tolliver. I am an opium merchant. I didn't kill anyone. I am here in town (obivously) to supply the opium to the opium den. Note that I'm not the OWNER of the opium den, but I do the supplying. Hence why I am staying at the Innn, like Blade (who incidentally is just several doors down from me). So killing me early would have (I assume) shut off the supply of opium to the den, thus taking it out of play. I suppose that doesn't matter so much anymore, but that's why I have stayed in several nights, to supply the opium to the den. I only had night actions available to me on several nights, other nights it was apparently mandated that I stay in in order to provide the opium to the opium den.

I didn't kill Barkeep. Wouldn't it have been pretty stupid to have been the last person to have visited him and then have killed him? Added to the fact that I'm not evil.

You're looking in the wrong place people.

I think I'm with Blade on this one....Swaggs and/or Izulde ?? Blade could have scanned Swaggs and he could if he was Moriarity shown up as good (perhaps some evil "cloaking" ability)? And then Izulde could have been converted at some point along the way?

FWIW I don't have a vote or a night action because you all have thrown me in jail...but my vote would be on Swaggs or Izulde, and then clearly not on lynching me.

"evil cloaking" is certainly something that has been seen in these games before - cunning wolf is what it is usually called. Basically a bad guy who looks like a good guy under certain circumstances (death, seer view, etc).

DaddyT - I know you said that you stayed home a couple of nights. I think it could still be helpful to know what your night-by-night activities are. If you are playing as a good guy, you have no incentive to lie. And I'm hoping that there might be some information in there that I can use to help build a case in another direction.

Izulde, what district did you work last night? Any customers?

Swaggs, will you have enough money to score tonight?

Hoops, I had a detailed account of my actions typed on my laptop, but lost connection, so back on my PC.

Real quick.

Night 0 -- no action, didn't get one submitted.
Night 1 -- visited opium den. Had the vision of barkeep and bullet.
Day 2/Night 2 -- placed an 8-shilling bribe that was accepted, but didn't specify what I wanted done (follow someone or watch an area). Missed the PM from CR as I had gone to bed. Got the option to specify the following day and chose to follow LSG, but Schmidty died.
Night 3 -- went to the opium den. Spoke to Blade and cronin. Was arrested.
Day/Night 3 -- was in jail.
Day 4/Night 4 -- was in jail. Released in the morning. Had 1 at the end of the night.
Day 5/Night 5 -- stayed home to save money.
Day 6/Night 6 -- stayed home to save money.

I could not earn money while in jail.

I will be back tonight.

Yes... I have enough now.

If you guys make it clear where to go, I will visit tonight.

and I am really out now. :)

For the non-prostitutes - when do you get money? During the day phase or the night phase? This is another piece of information that has not been very clear to me so far ...

okay hoops. will do

Night Zero - Was arriving in town and didn't get an action. Would have missed the deadline anyway because I wasn't clear on the whole Night Zero concept. I know I said in the past I missed the deadline but that was to avoid saying that I didn't get an action because I was arriving in town on my ship and traveling to the Inn (didn't want to make myself a target as a possible new arrival and be thought of as Holmes/Watson/etc).
Night One -Stayed in to meet with my contacts and supply the opium.
Night Two - The aforementioned "trying to consort with Izulde as Izulde is arrested." Witnessed there by Wednesday, dubb, bullet and DC
Night Three -Opium supplying.
Night Four - Damm that Barkeep was one sexy prostitute. DC went first and then me. Discovered that bulletsponge has hired barkeep twice already. So I would have literally been the last person to hire Barkeep. Would I have been stupid enough to poison him/her? I think not. I think everyone would agree that in the last game I showed more sense as a wolf than that, even if I was evil, which I'm not.
Night Five-Missed deadline for going out and doing anything due to falling asleep in front of my computer. Had the $$ to meet with a prostitute due to my initial starting amount and the little extra I earn for the opium supplying (poppies are expensive ya know), but missed it due to being sleepy.
Night 6-As we all know I was going out to meet with a prostitute and then was arrested by the constable's men.

For your Night four information to be accurate, Bullet would have had to visit Barkeep again on Nights 2 or 3 after seeing BK on Night 1.

I'll see if I can find any posts that back up this information.

Bullet, you can make it easier on me by either confirming or denying this.

i just triple-checked my Night Four Action PM on that, and that's definately what it says. Bullet visited barkeep twice already.

hopefully that helps take my neck out of the noose a little. I will be around, doing some various things from now till lynch, but I hope you all see my side of things and let me out of jail to go back to the Inn.

DT, can you also overlay your day/night information with gold collected? At this point I don't think the threat of robbery is a strong enough justification to protect this information - we are hopefully closing in on end-game with the bad guys so I really think there is much more value to releasing info than to protecting it.

Dola - gold = shillings.

gotcha.

Night Zero - Was arriving in town and didn't get an action. Would have missed the deadline anyway because I wasn't clear on the whole Night Zero concept. I know I said in the past I missed the deadline but that was to avoid saying that I didn't get an action because I was arriving in town on my ship and traveling to the Inn (didn't want to make myself a target as a possible new arrival and be thought of as Holmes/Watson/etc). Arrived with 4 shillings to my name.
Night One -Stayed in to meet with my contacts and supply the opium. (+4 shillings)
Night Two - The aforementioned "trying to consort with Izulde as Izulde is arrested." Witnessed there by Wednesday, dubb, bullet and DC.
Night Three -Opium supplying. (+4 shillings)
Night Four - Damm that Barkeep was one sexy prostitute. DC went first and then me. Discovered that bulletsponge has hired barkeep twice already. So I would have literally been the last person to hire Barkeep. Would I have been stupid enough to poison him/her? I think not. I think everyone would agree that in the last game I showed more sense as a wolf than that, even if I was evil, which I'm not. (-5 shillings)
Night Five-Missed deadline for going out and doing anything due to falling asleep in front of my computer. Had the $$ to meet with a prostitute due to my initial starting amount and the little extra I earn for the opium supplying (poppies are expensive ya know), but missed it due to being sleepy.
Night 6-As we all know I was going out to meet with a prostitute and then was arrested by the constable's men.

i'm headed out to walk the dog and then go to some work-party and get advice from my old manager about WTF I should do about the fact that my new manager is making me hate my job, and when i hate my job i realize that i'm underemployed and i should be in grad school.

but that ends at 8, so i should be home by like 8:45ish or so.

DT, do you still get money if you do not supply opium? It seems like a bad metric for others to gain 3 every day/night they are not in jail but you only gain 4 if you take a specific night action and nothing if you go out looking for a good time.

As I already mentioned last night's actions before, I'll just quote myself :P

Izulde, just curious - why did you decide to go to a different district than I did last night? Was that a strategic decision or a random decision? If strategic, what was the thought process?

For others in the game who could go out last night, but not visit Izulde or me, what districts did you visit?

I was in Commercial.
Izulde was in Whitechapel.

dola

Not sure what to say. We're obviously in the endgame, and the badguy(s) are either cornered or have most of us totally fooled.

Cronin, where did you and Blade head last night?

We went after path.

OK, so what was the timing on that? Did you speak to him and he was killed later? Because I'm the one that discovered the body ...

What district was Path in?

We interviewed him in Commercial prior to him being killed.

Dola

We recieved no information on the murder other than what was posted in thread by Chief Rum.

Anyone else in the district? Did you guys see me in Commercial?

Because I didn't see you guys - on three previous evenings I have seen you guys doing your interrogation. Last night I was in the district with you - with nothing in my PM or the night write-up that indicates particularly bad viewing conditions - and I do not encounter you interrogating Path. So I'm wondering what was different?

I did not notice you at all, but I haven't seen Blade's pm yet. We don't always get the same information.

No idea. Maybe something about path?

Cronin, please check your PM box...we need to talk about a few things in private

Ever watch scrubs? I was cracking up one episode when the main character JD was being given an intervention by his friends..they said he worked too hard, and he denied it. So his best friend asked him about the time he wanted to go on vacaction. JD said how he submitted his request for time off but it was turned down. His friend points out JD is the one who handles the requests, and turned himself down. JD is all "Ya, well it just wasnt in the books to grant myself the days off i requested."

Random, but its what i thought of when you said that

UNVOTE SWAGGS

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

ill follow that argument cronin

nope. i only get $$ if I supply said opium. i guess it was some design by CR to make the person with that role a subject of suspiscion because they had to stay in to get $$. And maybe some sort of sacrifice for the extra shilling.

vote count? am i still in trouble?

I think its either 3-1 your dying or 4-1...either way id say your a dead man..im the lone vote to keep you alive right now