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Blackadar 05-07-2014 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 2925319)
The HARP program doesn't achieve its key purpose because it only handles Freddie and Fannie Mae loans. There are literally millions that have the exact loans that would benefit from that program that aren't guaranteed under those two options (we'll call them the 95% LTV crowd). Outside of that, there are literally no options available. Max that most private loaning groups will go is 85% LTV. If there's something outside of that, please do tell. I'd love to find out that exists.

I'm assuming you're talking about HARP, which has nothing to do with the situation I'm discussing. I'm talking about the people who fall outside of those guarantors.


You didn't specify that. You said there were no options. Nice backpeddle.

There are options for VA, FHA, Freddie, Fannie and even USDA for refi. If you have a loan that falls outside of those options, then you're in the extreme minority. Even with private bank loans, there are internal programs for refinancing an underwater house even over 100% LTV.

cartman 05-07-2014 06:43 PM

90%+ of mortgages are backed by Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae.

miked 05-07-2014 06:48 PM

I was also able to refi for about 3.2% with a poor LTV due to HARP. The original point you were trying to make was so dense and under-informed it's mind bottling.

digamma 05-07-2014 06:56 PM

It's pretty clear the decrease in refis year over year is due to interest rates being about 1% higher than they were last year.

There are issues with purchase money mortgages, particularly for non-Qualified Mortgages, a new term of art under Dodd-Frank, and banks being able to lend, but that's a whole different issue and one that will likely sort itself out in the coming year.

digamma 05-07-2014 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 2925327)
90%+ of mortgages are backed by Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae.


In fairness, I believe this is a new mortgage origination number rather than the percentage of the entire mortgage market.

Edward64 05-08-2014 07:26 AM

Yeah, I know there is little to no strategic interest here but I'm good with us helping. Its good to see that Britain and China will help also. Waiting to hear the details.

310 killed in latest Boko Haram attack; kidnapped girls still missing - CNN.com
Quote:

The United States, Britain and China have promised to help Nigeria find the girls, as world outrage over their plight has grown.

"Every day when I wake up and I think about young girls in Nigeria or children caught up in the conflict in Syria, when there are times in which I want to reach out and save those kids. And having to think through what levers, what powers do we have at any given moment, I think drop by drop by drop that we can erode and wear down these forces that are so destructive," U.S. President Barack Obama said Wednesday night in Los Angeles.

Blackadar 05-08-2014 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2925427)
Yeah, I know there is little to no strategic interest here but I'm good with us helping. Its good to see that Britain and China will help also. Waiting to hear the details.

310 killed in latest Boko Haram attack; kidnapped girls still missing - CNN.com


Send the SEALS in and Boko Haram will turn a Whiter Shade of Pale.

















(alright, it's the best I can do without my morning coffee)

NobodyHere 05-08-2014 10:04 AM

Can I say that Boko Haram are thugs or is that racist?

Ronnie Dobbs3 05-08-2014 10:05 AM

Depends on whether or not they would talk trash after a football game.

JonInMiddleGA 05-08-2014 10:17 AM

By all means, let's get more involved in Syria.

My Way News - Rebels blow up historic Aleppo hotel in Syria

Buccaneer 05-08-2014 01:20 PM

My reaction to this was "hmmm".

Nearly half of all home sales all-cash deals
http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/08/real...sh-home-sales/

JonInMiddleGA 05-08-2014 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 2925560)
My reaction to this was "hmmm".


Yeah ... hopefully that's roughly the same reaction that a variety of law enforcement agencies had as well.

stevew 05-08-2014 05:18 PM

Isn't there some big move by hedge funds to buy family homes and then rent them out(and presumably wait for the next big price bubble to sell)? I would assume those are mostly cash deals.

molson 05-08-2014 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2925648)
Isn't there some big move by hedge funds to buy family homes and then rent them out(and presumably wait for the next big price bubble to sell)? I would assume those are mostly cash deals.


I've gotten a bunch of unsolicited offers to sell my house for cash - they want to tear it down and build a bigger house on the lot to sell. (My house is old, and tiny, but is on a big lot in a nice area). There's a lot of new construction in my neighborhood, I suppose from similar deals.

digamma 05-08-2014 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2925648)
Isn't there some big move by hedge funds to buy family homes and then rent them out(and presumably wait for the next big price bubble to sell)? I would assume those are mostly cash deals.


Not really. The move by hedge funds is to make higher interest rate loans to non-qualified mortgage buyers and then package those loans in bulk into securities. Hedge funds in general don't want to manage properties.

Edward64 05-08-2014 09:16 PM

I wonder how Dennis Rodman is interpreting this?

Stay cool Obama.

U.S. criticizes racist North Korean screed against Obama - The Washington Post
Quote:

The White House on Thursday sharply condemned a lengthy and racist North Korean screed against President Obama, calling the rhetoric from Pyongyang “particularly ugly and disrespectful.”

The rebuke came in response to a recently published diatribe by North Korea calling Obama a “clown,” a “dirty fellow” and somebody who “does not even have the basic appearances of a human being.”

Another part of the tirade declared, “It would be perfect for Obama to live with a group of monkeys in the world’s largest African natural zoo and lick the breadcrumbs thrown by spectators.”

The White House — which often ignores the rhetorical excesses of the North Korean regime — suggested that the new comments from the Korean Central News Agency were especially repugnant.

“While the North Korean Government-controlled media are distinguished by their histrionics, these comments are particularly ugly and disrespectful,” Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said in a statement.

Propriety has never been a part of North Korean rhetoric, but rarely has Pyongyang so ferociously — and personally — attacked a U.S. leader, in this case pulling language right out of the American 1850s. The attack seems unabashed, except for one thing: Unlike most articles published by the North’s state-run news agency, this one wasn’t translated into English.

“He is a crossbreed with unclear blood,” the North says.

And later: Obama “still has the figure of a monkey while the human race has evolved through millions of years.”

The diatribe, published May 2, almost escaped foreign attention. But Joshua Stanton, who blogs regularly about the North’s viciousness and rights violations, uncovered the Korean-only piece, as well as a separate, milder article that was translated into English and in which Obama was called a “wicked black monkey.”

cartman 05-08-2014 09:18 PM

I didn't know one of my uncles spoke Korean.

stevew 05-08-2014 09:34 PM

People are lining up to vote for that guy in the midwestern primaries

JonInMiddleGA 05-12-2014 04:01 PM

Keith Crisco dies at his home just days after primary | abc11.com

edit: Since the headline doesn't give the key detail, this is the guy who was locked in the primary battle with Clay Aiken in NC.

ISiddiqui 05-12-2014 04:18 PM

Hmmm....

BillJasper 05-12-2014 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2927134)
Keith Crisco dies at his home just days after primary | abc11.com

edit: Since the headline doesn't give the key detail, this is the guy who was locked in the primary battle with Clay Aiken in NC.


Seventy-one year old man suffers a fall and dies at his home. Not sure I see much of a story there.

JonInMiddleGA 05-12-2014 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillJasper (Post 2927137)
Seventy-one year old man suffers a fall and dies at his home. Not sure I see much of a story there.


He's a congressional candidate, that's pretty much "a story" anywhere.

Hell, the jokes have already begun about Clay "I'm Not Finishing Second THIS Time" Aiken.

cuervo72 05-12-2014 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillJasper (Post 2927137)
Seventy-one year old man suffers a fall and dies at his home. Not sure I see much of a story there.


Unless he slipped on....cooking oil.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN.

JonInMiddleGA 05-12-2014 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 2927174)
Unless he slipped on....cooking oil.
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN.


Well, some voters did think he was {wait for it} a slippery character.

flere-imsaho 05-13-2014 05:19 PM

GROAN

NobodyHere 05-13-2014 08:00 PM

I think we need a new thread after that one.

flere-imsaho 05-14-2014 06:56 AM

Nah, I suspect no one wants to go back to the days of dozens of "POL" threads that we had from '06-'10....

NobodyHere 05-14-2014 09:44 AM

I do

I'm not a fan of the superthread concept

JonInMiddleGA 05-14-2014 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 2927641)
Nah, I suspect no one wants to go back to the days of dozens of "POL" threads that we had from '06-'10....


+1

flere-imsaho 05-14-2014 10:13 AM

Besides, it's much easier for me to troll Jon if everything's neatly in one thread. :D

ISiddiqui 05-14-2014 10:15 AM

It's ok, we'll just have a new thread in 2017 for the next Prez ;).

flere-imsaho 05-14-2014 10:33 AM

Honestly, I doubt we'll have time given all the posting we'll be doing about the end of Game of Thrones.

molson 05-14-2014 10:38 AM

So an Idaho federal judge declared the state's gay marriage ban unconstitutional. Pending a stay (which I guess is likely), the weddings start Friday. I've always kind of wanted to go to a rushed "beat the court stay" gay wedding and reception, maybe I'll get an invite. If only to convince my girlfriend that's the way to go (courthouse and party v. months of planning and tens of thousands of dollars - but also, a rushed gay wedding party would be fun.). I wonder what impact this will have on next week's primaries, which the media and candidates are playing up as a battle for the "soul of the Republican party" in Idaho. The tea party thing has kind of fizzled out nationally, but it seems to be growing a little here. Big business is supporting a couple of prominent tea partiers is elections against regular Republicans. And its a closed primary, so the far right has a real shot. I registered for a party for the first time in my life just to vote. The results could have some interesting ramifications for me career-wise.

flere-imsaho 05-14-2014 10:41 AM

I had no idea you lived in Idaho.

molson 05-14-2014 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 2927698)
I had no idea you lived in Idaho.


Moved here in 2006. (Edit: I'm a New England transplant with law school in between.....there are kind of surprisingly a TON of northeast transplants here.)

lungs 05-14-2014 03:30 PM

The job market must be picking up. The homeless guy that's been living in one of my sheds for the past three years found himself a job.

Ronnie Dobbs3 05-15-2014 02:14 PM



Couldn't get the embedded video to start at the right time, but it gets good at 34:16 for about 30 seconds.

The Idaho Governor GOP Nominee Debate

molson 05-15-2014 02:32 PM

There's totally not enough spiritual warfare in politics.

And this debate lacked usual perennial candidate "Pro-life". That's his name, he's an organic strawberry farmer, and I believe he opposes abortion.

The general governor election in November will include a libertarian candidate who won a private contract to supply prosecution services to Idaho's second largest county. It was a big contract, supporting dozens of employees. The county paid him up front. He transferred the money to his private account, apparently just spent it all, ran out of money to run the prosecution office, and resigned. And then he was acquitted of the subsequent criminal charges. He was accused of falsifying evidence in that case, was charged with that, and was acquitted again. (There were also two hung juries in there somewhere) Then last week he got acquitted when the U.S. Attorney's office went after him for bankruptcy fraud.

sabotai 05-15-2014 02:38 PM

Started it at 34:16, listened to the guy talk about spiritual warfare, thought it was amusing, starting laughing when they changed to a wider angle and saw the guy next to him....

Moderator: That question was about taxes.

That's where I lost it.

sterlingice 05-15-2014 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabotai (Post 2928011)
Started it at 34:16, listened to the guy talk about spiritual warfare, thought it was amusing, starting laughing when they changed to a wider angle and saw the guy next to him....

Moderator: That question was about taxes.

That's where I lost it.



Barlow: Mayor Quimby, you're well-known, sir, for your lenient stance on crime. But suppose for a second that _your_ house was ransacked by thugs, _your_ family tied up in the basement with socks in their mouths, you try to open the door but there's too much _blood_ on the knob --
Quimby: What is your question?
Barlow: My question is about the budget, sir.

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/2F02.html

SI

Ben E Lou 05-15-2014 03:23 PM

33:50 ftw

NobodyHere 05-15-2014 03:33 PM

I would love to vote for a guy named "Butch" Otter at least once.

mckerney 05-15-2014 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabotai (Post 2928011)
Started it at 34:16, listened to the guy talk about spiritual warfare, thought it was amusing, starting laughing when they changed to a wider angle and saw the guy next to him....

Moderator: That question was about taxes.

That's where I lost it.


Not bad, but he's still got a ways to go to match Donald Sterling here.


mckerney 05-15-2014 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs3 (Post 2928004)


Couldn't get the embedded video to start at the right time, but it gets good at 34:16 for about 30 seconds.

The Idaho Governor GOP Nominee Debate


I didn't realize Joad Cressbeckler was based on a real person.

Old, Grizzled Third-Party Candidate Threatens McCain's Base - YouTube

stevew 05-15-2014 04:39 PM

what the fuck

cartman 05-15-2014 05:19 PM

Descent is the highest form of patriotic

cartman 05-15-2014 06:54 PM

Dola,

In that Idaho debate video, I kept waiting for a "Live, from New York, it's Saturday Night!" that never came.

miked 05-15-2014 09:34 PM

Makes the GA primary seem normal. The one where there was a fight to see who was the most conservative culminating in a "you didn't even vote for Saxby Chambliss" barb that had the frontrunner speechless. These commercials are silly, they all just say that the person supports guns, wants to end Obamacare, and will value the sanctity of life and marriage...better than their conservative opponent.

molson 05-15-2014 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 2928032)
I would love to vote for a guy named "Butch" Otter at least once.


I've done it. Our governor rides a horse and wears a cowboy hat. And he's the least goofy of the 4 candidates, and also the most liberal. And there's nothing at all of substance on the Democratic side. Which makes sense, because the November election is a formality. Even though Idaho did have exclusively Democratic governors all through the 70s and 80s and half the 90s. Weird state.

JonInMiddleGA 05-16-2014 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked (Post 2928131)
Makes the GA primary seem normal. The one where there was a fight to see who was the most conservative culminating in a "you didn't even vote for Saxby Chambliss" barb that had the frontrunner speechless. These commercials are silly, they all just say that the person supports guns, wants to end Obamacare, and will value the sanctity of life and marriage...better than their conservative opponent.


The saddest thing about this primary -- 7 candidates worth -- is that there really doesn't seem to be but one candidate worth a shit in the entire affair ... and he stepped on a third rail with me the other day & ended his chances of getting my vote. A motley collection of RINO's and frauds if there's ever been one. Even worse, these are the best options available in November.

Truly, this is quite possibly THE most depressing race of my voting life.

stevew 05-16-2014 04:24 AM

Nobody wants to run in our house district as a democrat. The only guy to make the primary ballot with enough signatures is 26 years old. Granted it's a losing proposition most likely. I think it went D 1 time in maybe the past 18 cycles or so.

nol 05-16-2014 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 2927774)
The job market must be picking up. The homeless guy that's been living in one of my sheds for the past three years found himself a job.


That's nothing, my best friend's sister makes $67 /hr on the laptop . She has been out of work for seven months but last month her pay check was $12263 just working on the laptop for a few hours...

Thomkal 05-16-2014 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nol (Post 2928172)
That's nothing, my best friend's sister makes $67 /hr on the laptop . She has been out of work for seven months but last month her pay check was $12263 just working on the laptop for a few hours...


I think we need to know is what company and are they still hiring? :)

sterlingice 05-16-2014 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nol (Post 2928172)
That's nothing, my best friend's sister makes $67 /hr on the laptop . She has been out of work for seven months but last month her pay check was $12263 just working on the laptop for a few hours...


I got that email, too!

SI

sterlingice 05-16-2014 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2928171)
Nobody wants to run in our house district as a democrat. The only guy to make the primary ballot with enough signatures is 26 years old. Granted it's a losing proposition most likely. I think it went D 1 time in maybe the past 18 cycles or so.


That's one of those districts where the only way the challenging party wins is if it's late in the race and the other candidate gets caught with, what's the cliche again, a dead woman or a live boy.

SI

CU Tiger 05-16-2014 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nol (Post 2928172)
That's nothing, my best friend's sister makes $67 /hr on the laptop . She has been out of work for seven months but last month her pay check was $12263 just working on the laptop for a few hours...



Going to need pics to validate the story

NobodyHere 05-16-2014 08:47 AM

So some right wing terrorists want to overthrow the government today in what they're calling "Operation American Spring". Organizers expect 10-30 million "patriots" to show up.

Apparently their version of America is one that doesn't tolerate any viewpoints but their own.

Marc Vaughan 05-16-2014 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 2928193)
So some right wing terrorists want to overthrow the government today in what they're calling "Operation American Spring". Organizers expect 10-30 million "patriots" to show up.


Anyone doing a sweepstake on how many actually turn up? - I'll take 30,000 ....

Coffee Warlord 05-16-2014 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 2928205)
Anyone doing a sweepstake on how many actually turn up? - I'll take 30,000 ....


30.

NobodyHere 05-16-2014 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2928206)
30.


this, however I'm sure the organizer's will claim at least 30,000

cartman 05-16-2014 10:23 AM

I'm sure however many do show up, they will have the rage equal to 30 million people.

DaddyTorgo 05-16-2014 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 2928210)
I'm sure however many do show up, they will have the rage equal to 30 million people.


That's obviously what they meant originally.

NobodyHere 05-16-2014 11:10 AM

Live stream of the revolution!
Operation American Spring on USTREAM: Operation American Spring Live Video by Uncle Sams Misguided Children. Political News

I think they may actually have about 50 people!

mckerney 05-16-2014 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 2928217)


OH NO, THEY'VE BROKEN OUT THE BENGHAZI SIGNS!

mckerney 05-16-2014 11:19 AM

Now someone they're calling Chaos is speaking, he has a bunch of flags.

Ronnie Dobbs3 05-16-2014 11:19 AM

There are DOZENS of us. Dozens!

mckerney 05-16-2014 11:21 AM

There's also a video where one of them say they should begin by singing the national anthem and then starts to lead everyone with, "Oh beautiful..."

mckerney 05-16-2014 11:23 AM

Now to current speaker is claiming to know Obama's true identity and says if Obama doesn't like what he has to say can go back to Kenya.

NobodyHere 05-16-2014 11:25 AM

They need to make this into a reality show

NobodyHere 05-16-2014 11:27 AM

Just remember everyone, this is not a protest

mckerney 05-16-2014 11:32 AM

Has Obama resigned or fled the country yet?

cartman 05-16-2014 11:36 AM

I'm glad they are pressuring to get the truth about what happened at the Bengaza Strip

Ronnie Dobbs3 05-16-2014 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 2928229)
I'm glad they are pressuring to get the truth about what happened at the Bengaza Strip



mckerney 05-16-2014 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 2928229)
I'm glad they are pressuring to get the truth about what happened at the Bengaza Strip


Ah, the classic Doobie Keebler tactic.

nol 05-16-2014 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 2928175)
I think we need to know is what company and are they still hiring? :)


Judging by the comments on any article, there are plenty of companies and the labor force participation rate among the nation's best friend's sisters/aunts/cousins/former roommates is now at 100%.

DaddyTorgo 05-16-2014 03:44 PM

Guys...guys...the fucking #OperationAmericanSpring hashtag is pure fucking gold.

Some gems

Asia ‏@Prescribed_Naps 36m
What do we want?
Less government in our lives.
When do we want it?
After our Social Security check clears
#OperationAmericanSpring #tcot

Tina Dupuy ‏@TinaDupuy 4h
The people waving the KKK flag on the mall are complaining that Obama is anti-Semitic? #OperationAmericanSpring

Gail Simone ‏@GailSimone 4h
Look, don't feel bad, #OperationAmericanSpring! Eight people is a fine turnout, considering the View is on!

Gen JC Xtian patriot ‏@JC_Christian 9h
It may look like there are less than a dozen of us, but that's because thev2 million others are wearing camo #operationamericanspring

John NoWayNRA™ ‏@azmoderate 13m
#OperationAmericanSpring were expecting 10 to 30 million. Problem was they told them to meet at the Capital & they ended up in Richmond

lungs 05-16-2014 04:30 PM

False flag operation by liberals to make conservatives look foolish.

flere-imsaho 05-16-2014 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 2928033)
Not bad, but he's still got a ways to go to match Donald Sterling here.



I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2928167)
The saddest thing about this primary -- 7 candidates worth -- is that there really doesn't seem to be but one candidate worth a shit in the entire affair ... and he stepped on a third rail with me the other day & ended his chances of getting my vote.


Was that the guy who made the crack about the other candidate not having a college education?

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 2928284)
False flag operation by liberals to make conservatives look foolish.


Speaking as a member of the Liberal Assembling False Flag committee, I can tell you this isn't one of ours, though I can understand the confusion as we do have a large number of them going on.

sterlingice 05-16-2014 08:58 PM

Twitter looks for Operation American Spring: ‘Where is everybody? I’m confused’

Don't worry. They've gone to the classic "someone hacked my Twitter account" that works so well for celebrities

SI

JonInMiddleGA 05-16-2014 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 2928301)
Was that the guy who made the crack about the other candidate not having a college education?



Nah, the third rail guy was probably the most certain vote I'd ever had in my life -- Paul Broun -- who decided that he's more into simply hating everything the federal government does instead of staying the hell out of the way when they manage (granted, in spite of themselves) to get something right (enforcement of federal drug laws).

Several people have referenced, subtly or not so, the lack of college education possessed by Karen Handel.

miked 05-17-2014 06:47 AM

Perdue is apparently too rich, Handel doesn't have a college degree, the rest are simply running on guns, marriage, and how much they hate everything the government does. They must have gotten the memo that the one who hates Obamacare and government the most will win. Oddly, I saw somewhere that the public does not support a full repeal, but I'm guessing that's heavily along partisan lines and the best way to win your primary is to walk around with an assault rifle threatening to harm anyone who is against traditional marriage and pro-Obamacare.

mckerney 05-17-2014 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2928329)
Twitter looks for Operation American Spring: ‘Where is everybody? I’m confused’

Don't worry. They've gone to the classic "someone hacked my Twitter account" that works so well for celebrities

SI





:lol:

JonInMiddleGA 05-17-2014 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked (Post 2928371)
Perdue is apparently too rich


Perdue is just too related to his cousin (the tax raising/flag-chaging ex-governor) for me to trust him an inch, Handel lost any chance with me after the poorly handled (no pun intended) revelation of her Log Cabin Republicans membership during her failed gubernatorial bid 4 years ago.

Edward64 05-17-2014 11:18 AM

Regarding Michelle's speech in Kansas.

60 years after Brown v. Board, Michelle Obama tells Topeka students that are its ‘legacy’ – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Quote:

However, Obama also highlighted the areas where she sees diversity lacking, “Many districts in this country have actually pulled back on efforts to integrate their schools and many communities have become less diverse as folks have moved from cities to suburbs.”

“Many young people in America are going to school largely with kids who look just like them,” Obama said. “Too often, those schools aren’t equal, especially ones attended by students of color, which too often lag behind, with crumbling classrooms and less experienced teachers.”

My son's high school was in the news (he wasn't part of it) ...

Students hang N-word banner at Georgia high school - CNN.com
Quote:

Atlanta (CNN) -- Students at a school outside Atlanta were in hot water Wednesday after they reportedly hung a banner from their school's roof that read, "N---a We Made It."

The sign at South Forsyth High School may have been meant to celebrate graduation, but struck many as offensive.

"This morning, without our knowledge, students placed a derogatory sign with a verse from a song by Drake on our school as a senior prank," Principal Jeff Cheney said in a note to parents, referring to the rapper Drake.
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More than 70% of the student population at South Forsyth High School is white, while more than 10% is Hispanic, 12% is Asian and less than 5% is black, according to school statistics.

Over Fri night dinner, I asked him if any of the African Americans were insulted by this prank. He said he didn't think so as Drake is part African American and everyone knew it was from the song.

The stats is what I thought was interesting as it aligns with Michelle's comments about population moving from "cities to suburbs". Having gone to my kids grade-middle-high school functions, there is a noticeable lack of African American presence ... definitely a higher number of Asian/Indian in the minority ranks.

Edward64 05-21-2014 06:37 AM

I thought it was interesting how the GOP won against the TP candidates ... see the bolded text. Wonder if this will be a real shift in GOP or just something to win elections.

5 things we learned on Tuesday - CNN.com
Quote:

(CNN) -- Six states held primaries on Tuesday, and once again anti-establishment candidates came up short in high-profile Republican showdowns.

That's a sharp difference with what we have seen over the last two election cycles, when establishment Republicans were overwhelmed by the insurgency in their own party and did little to stop it. But they appear to have turned the tables on the conservatives so far in this election cycle and have a string of victories to show for it.

Here are five things we learned Tuesday night:

1. Establishment GOP has learned to play ball: Since its birth in 2009, the tea party has had successes in primaries but those have given the GOP plenty of headaches and hurt its chances of winning back the Senate, effectively costing Republicans five winnable elections over the last two cycles.
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How did they do it?

The winners all ran smart campaigns and were fortunate that the losers stumbled. And outside help also made a difference. The pro-business U.S. Chamber of Commerce spent more than $4 million to support McConnell, Simpson and Rep. Jack Kingston, who will face off with businessman David Perdue in the Georgia runoff.

One reason for the winning streak: The establishment has learned how to play ball with the tea party.

"Every establishment candidate ran like a tea party candidate. It's hard to tell the difference this time around, because they had a uniting factor in opposing Obamacare but also united on issues like immigration and trade and climate change. The establishment Republican Party ran to the right this time," said CNN Chief Political Analyst Gloria Borger

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By nominating candidates who have a better shot of appealing to the wider electorate that votes in November, Republicans now upped their odds when it comes to winning the six Democratic-held seats the party needs to win back the control of the Senate.

The victories on Tuesday followed establishment Senate primary wins in North Carolina two weeks ago and in Texas in March.

With establishment candidates in most of the remaining primaries leading in the public opinion polls, the trend should continue.


flere-imsaho 05-21-2014 07:21 AM

I mostly agree with the article, and I'd say it's two things:

1. The GOP establishment candidates are running better primary campaigns, and a large part of that is taking the TP threat seriously. This was definitely not the case in previous years.

2. GOP establishment candidates have moved rightward to help fend off the TP candidates.

sterlingice 05-21-2014 10:31 AM

I suspect it was easier to get the big GOP money behind the establishment candidates after they saw how Akin, Murdock, etc torpedoed the chance at the Senate last time.

SI

DaddyTorgo 05-21-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2929194)
I thought it was interesting how the GOP won against the TP candidates ... see the bolded text. Wonder if this will be a real shift in GOP or just something to win elections.

5 things we learned on Tuesday - CNN.com


One thing I think the article discounts, at least in the snippet you posted, is that in order to appeal to the broader electorate those candidates are going to have to come back to the center, but if they do that they risk

a) alienating the TP-base
b) having the democrats (and angry TPers) paint them as dishonest

Plus, by running off to the right to fend off the TP they've given the Democrats facing them in the general plenty of ammunition to go after them with.

It's an interesting development, but it's yet to be seen if it can actually be effective in a general election, let alone in multiple general elections.

JonInMiddleGA 05-21-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2928415)
The stats is what I thought was interesting as it aligns with Michelle's comments about population moving from "cities to suburbs". Having gone to my kids grade-middle-high school functions, there is a noticeable lack of African American presence ... definitely a higher number of Asian/Indian in the minority ranks.


Being that I know the area very well (grew up basically one county over, worked there for a couple of years) there isn't quite the "cities to suburbs" effect in this instance.

Here's a map of the state black population by percentage. That clear line of demarcation for most of the north? The current figures are often all-time highs for percentage of black population, at least in my lifetime (and I'm getting kinda old). Those are areas where there's never really been a minority presence, likely attributable to the fact that the area was largely poor & not farm rich back to the antebellum era. I mean, I can literally name every single black person I ever went to school with, that's how few there were/how small a percentage of the population we're talking about.

edit to add: The map isn't displaying as an image, if you're interested in what I'm referring to then you can see it here
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/unit...percentage#map

JPhillips 05-21-2014 12:21 PM

I'm not sure any of that matters if the Dems continue to rely on a message of, "We're not as bad as them." There are so many things the Dems could run, but they are content to be as uninspiring as possible.

SackAttack 05-21-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2929264)
One thing I think the article discounts, at least in the snippet you posted, is that in order to appeal to the broader electorate those candidates are going to have to come back to the center, but if they do that they risk

a) alienating the TP-base
b) having the democrats (and angry TPers) paint them as dishonest


Realistically alienating the base won't do anything in this election. They'd cut off their own genitals before voting for a Democrat, and unlike the Democratic base, disaffection doesn't reduce turnout. It's largely old, white people in the TP base, and they're a voting metronome anyway.

I'm not sure independents are sympathetic enough to the TP to go "Oh, if THEY think this person is dishonest, I should probably vote for the Democrat instead," for one. For another, the polarization of politics between Democrats and Republicans is such that there's likely to be a fair bit of motivation questioning even if the Republican doesn't tack back to the center.

You ever notice that? Every Republican is the most extreme right-wing threat to the country in a generation and every Democrat is a left-wing extremist who wants your daughters to slut it up and abort the babies. I'm somehow on email lists for candidates from both parties, and I get 8-10 emails alleging the sins of one side or the other on a daily basis.

I've never seen "so-and-so is an honorable person who loves his/her country, but we can do better." Everybody's an extremist now.

flere-imsaho 05-21-2014 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2929283)
I'm not sure any of that matters if the Dems continue to rely on a message of, "We're not as bad as them." There are so many things the Dems could run, but they are content to be as uninspiring as possible.


Successive elections have shown that it's safe for Democrats to be uninspiring than to take concrete stances that open themselves to attack ads.

Ben E Lou 05-21-2014 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 2928415)
The stats is what I thought was interesting as it aligns with Michelle's comments about population moving from "cities to suburbs". Having gone to my kids grade-middle-high school functions, there is a noticeable lack of African American presence ... definitely a higher number of Asian/Indian in the minority ranks.

Well, it's Forsyth Freakin' County. ;) Of all of the places in metro Atlanta for black people to "migrate to the suburbs," just by reputation alone, I'm pretty sure that Forsyth County would be ranked roughly, oh, dead last. ;) (Note that in the line that Jon mentions, all of the counties due east and west of Forsyth have significantly higher population percentages of black people.) I strongly suspect that the reputation is no longer (for the most part) deserved, but it's there, so for many black people, Forsyth County is an option that would never even be considered. My personal experiences traveling there with majority-black Tucker football teams in the 2000s were always positive, and there was a very fun friendly band rivalry between Tucker's virtually-all-black band and North Forsyth's lily-white crew. They'd have an informal drumline battle of the bands on the track for a half hour or so every time we played them, either up there or at home, and it always ended with high fives and hugs.



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Originally Posted by JIMGA
I mean, I can literally name every single black person I ever went to school with, that's how few there were/how small a percentage of the population we're talking about.

I think you're forgetting that you grew up and live in a state where such a statement is unusual. ;)

JonInMiddleGA 05-21-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 2929291)
I think you're forgetting that you grew up and live in a state where such a statement is unusual. ;)


Oh it's DEFINITELY something that's outside the state norm, I just wanted to point out that in that part of the state the low percentages are not anything remotely new.

For all the heat that Forsyth took during that very manufactured controversy back in the day, race was never anywhere near the issue there that it was in some other places I could name. Not that I would ever call out Fannin County (or even Dawson or Gilmer) as examples or anything ;)

JPhillips 05-21-2014 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 2929288)
Successive elections have shown that it's safe for Democrats to be uninspiring than to take concrete stances that open themselves to attack ads.


But both historical and demographic trends point to a bad year. They might scrap by and hold the Senate, but they probably won't. I think they'd be in much better shape if they stood up for the ACA, a minimum wage increase and a Social Security increase. They could build it all around helping working families get ahead. There's also a bonus of two of the three being very popular.

I'm tired of a choice between bad ideas or no ideas.

Edward64 05-21-2014 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 2929291)
Well, it's Forsyth Freakin' County. ;) Of all of the places in metro Atlanta for black people to "migrate to the suburbs," just by reputation alone, I'm pretty sure that Forsyth County would be ranked roughly, oh, dead last.


Didn't know. I moved from Gwinett to Forsyth in 2001.

Race on The Oprah Show: A 25-Year Look Back
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In 1987, when The Oprah Show had been on the air for just six months, Oprah taped a show in Forsyth County, Georgia—which had gained a reputation for being a hotbed of racism. At the time, not a single black person had lived there for 75 years.


DaddyTorgo 05-21-2014 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2929315)
But both historical and demographic trends point to a bad year. They might scrap by and hold the Senate, but they probably won't. I think they'd be in much better shape if they stood up for the ACA, a minimum wage increase and a Social Security increase. They could build it all around helping working families get ahead. There's also a bonus of two of the three being very popular.

I'm tired of a choice between bad ideas or no ideas.


I do totally agree with you FWIW.

I think we should have blind-name, blind-party, issue-stance only voting.

No names on the ballot, no party identifiers, just "candidate a's stance on this issue is X, candidate b's stance on the issue is Y" for a number of defined issues, and make people actually vote that way.

Of course that would require some sort of arbitrator to define what the issues to be taking stances on were, so it's not a perfect solution, but it's what i'd like to see.

JonInMiddleGA 05-21-2014 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2929395)
No names on the ballot, no party identifiers, just "candidate a's stance on this issue is X, candidate b's stance on the issue is Y" for a number of defined issues, and make people actually vote that way.

Of course that would require some sort of arbitrator to define what the issues to be taking stances on were, so it's not a perfect solution, but it's what i'd like to see.


Then again, party identification largely covers the majority of those things ... and saves a whole lot of ink.

JonInMiddleGA 05-22-2014 10:56 AM

I noticed something interesting (to me anyhow) in the various bits & pieces from the latest Congressional dissatisfaction polls. I think it sort of fits with something I haven't quite been able to articulate as well as I'd like.

Americans' view of Congress: Throw 'em out - CBS News

Take this statement first:
Quote:

Thirty-two percent of self-identified Republicans now consider themselves supporters of the tea party - down 10 points from February and a decline of 23 points from July 2010, the summer before the Republican Party took control of the House of Representatives.

And then this one

Quote:

Nationally, 23 percent of Republicans say a candidate's affiliation with the tea party would make them more likely to back that candidate, while 13 percent say it would make them less likely. It wouldn't make much difference to most Republicans.

32% of R's say they're supporters of the Tea Party (or tea party, lowercase)
23% of R's say TP affiliation would make them more likely to back a candidate

Okay, so we could figure that somewhere between those two numbers are "tea partiers"

But then there's this

Quote:

Most Republicans overall (as well as most conservative Republicans) think the tea party has either the right amount of influence on their party (38 percent) or too little influence (29 percent).

Go ahead, read that one again.

The "too little influence" number makes sense, right in between the two previous numbers. But what about the "right amount of influence" figure, which is a plurality in the demo?

Are those mostly people who just figure they really haven't had much impact?

Or is that the group where I tend to land but have never been able to articulate as well as I'd like? Something like "I like/appreciate the general idea behind their goals, I'm just not always thrilled with the organizational aspect / specific candidates/ something".

edit to add: At any rate, I just thought that was an interesting bit of potential paradox, figured I'd share it here.

JonInMiddleGA 05-27-2014 08:46 PM

Somewhere there's a village missing its idiot. Okay, there's lots of those but in this case I'm thinking of whomever put together this list.

White House outs CIA official by mistake - CNN.com


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