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Vegas Vic 04-13-2020 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3274677)
Perhaps, but democracy doesn't work long-term if the party that gets the most votes isn't given power. It's a recipe for the whole thing to fall apart.


The United States is not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic.

Brian Swartz 04-13-2020 11:24 AM

Not everybody considers that to be a good thing though.

albionmoonlight 04-13-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bob (Post 3274685)
but be careful, because you open up a lot of questions about federal vs state power. Would you want Trump to have been the one in charge of shutting down the states if hypothetically governors didn't have that power.




Yeah, that ship has sailed. You elect a Trump, you get a Trump.

Part of the reason I am against the GOP is because it wants to nationalize every issue. Local power is important, IMO.

Vegas Vic 04-13-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3274695)
Not everybody considers that to be a good thing though.


I think it's worked pretty well for 231 years. A lot of "democracies" have risen and fallen in a much shorter period of time. The checks and balances that prevent the popular will from overreacting to short term events has served us well in my opinion. Others may disagree.

albionmoonlight 04-13-2020 11:36 AM

re: Trump's tweet about the states.

He wants to take absolutely no responsibility. But he can't stand the idea that he does not have the power.

50% of the country loves this guy and will be very sad if he isn't in charge of us next year.

tarcone 04-13-2020 11:45 AM

Its going to be an interesting election.

I am really up in the air. Neither of these guys do anything for me. Trump is acting more and more bufoonish every day. Biden is getting accused of sexual assault in a time when that is a hot button issue. No viable 3rd party candidates.

Another damn election of the lesser of 2 evils. Whatever happened to the time when we had dynamic, energetic, competent people running for president?

ISiddiqui 04-13-2020 12:03 PM

Well y'all (the general y'all) didn't want to vote for Warren or Rubio (I picked Rubio as the one that fits those buckets for 2016 Republicans) ;).

JPhillips 04-13-2020 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 3274694)
The United States is not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic.


Again, these are the rules, isn't a good answer to the question, why do fewer votes get more power than more votes? If the party with more votes consistently can't get power through the system, the system will be overturned.

Maybe we're not close to the system breaking, but I'm sure we get closer to that every time power is withheld from the party that gets the most votes.

tarcone 04-13-2020 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3274710)
Again, these are the rules, isn't a good answer to the question, why do fewer votes get more power than more votes? If the party with more votes consistently can't get power through the system, the system will be overturned.

Maybe we're not close to the system breaking, but I'm sure we get closer to that every time power is withheld from the party that gets the most votes.


I believe what is going to break the system is the country being so divided and the idiots both parties throw up in every election and the corporations actually running the country. These are the factors that will break the system, not the fact that the Dems cant get a foot hold in areas that are determining the EC.

Atocep 04-13-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3274719)
I believe what is going to break the system is the country being so divided and the idiots both parties throw up in every election and the corporations actually running the country. These are the factors that will break the system, not the fact that the Dems cant get a foot hold in areas that are determining the EC.


Citizen's United is probably the worst Supreme Court decision in the past 60 years. We'll probably see more bad rulings since the court's are stacked in 1 party's favor and nearly every vote right now is 5-4. The fact that we have an administration abusing the Supreme Court isn't helping.

We have a minority party running things and stacking power in their favor as demographics continue to turn against them. We're going to reach a point where either the GOP breaks things so bad they can't be fixed or the demographics change to the point that they struggle to win national elections. It's a race to see which happens first right now as the GOP leadership realizes their time in power is limited so they're taking everything they can right now with no regard to the future of the country. As they see it, a future without GOP ideals isn't a country worth saving anyway.

Flasch186 04-13-2020 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3274702)
Biden is getting accused of sexual assault...


This literally should have no bearing when the other guy literally admitted to grabbing women by the P*&$% while the person you reference has denied it all. This is going to piss e off to no end when I heard die hard Christian women around me in my industry absolving Trump of the Sexual assault admission with a waxing of "locker room talk" yet now will try to hang their coat on the Biden might've done it too? Fuck me, where's justice Kavanaugh when you need him? Oh yeah, he's busy raping someone too... or did he? Depends on if your narrative is colored Red or Blue. A big fuck you to every single person who waivers from one side to the other on this depending on your bend. Youu either believe them or don't. When Trump admitted to it that was it. He admitted it. At least Kavanuagh had the smarts to deny and will hopefully deny until the day he's dead.

PilotMan 04-13-2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3274723)
As they see it, a future without GOP ideals isn't a country worth saving anyway.



Jon would say something along this line of thinking, but only in more colorful and much more aggressive.

albionmoonlight 04-13-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3274745)
Jon would say something along this line of thinking, but only in more colorful and much more aggressive.


When people tell you who they are listen to them.

For years, they have been saying that they'd rather destroy the country than not be in charge of it.

They aren't lying. They were never lying. We share some fault for not believing them. They've never been bashful about it.

JPhillips 04-13-2020 03:36 PM

Hoyer says that barring an emergency the House won't come back until May at the earliest.

Hard to imagine what an emergency might be if this doesn't qualify.

ISiddiqui 04-13-2020 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3274760)
Hoyer says that barring an emergency the House won't come back until May at the earliest.

Hard to imagine what an emergency might be if this doesn't qualify.


They really need to institute virtual voting.

RainMaker 04-13-2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3274599)
I'm sure the Republicans don't want it for appropriate reasons, but many European countries have gone to full-privatization of mail, or have a big private component to their postal systems. I'm sure there's different obstacles for the U.S. like with other European models some people want to adopt (The U.S. being much more rural for one) but, maybe that can be a longer-term goal to work towards that makes sense in a world where mail volume have changed dramatically. Or USPS can stick with letters and rural areas and private carriers who pay taxes can run package-delivery.

In other contexts, I read about how Europe is so enlightened and superior and that we should just do what they do. Even they saw that that governments couldn't effectively run postal services any more. Why isn't this something that has more appeal from the side of the political spectrum who otherwise think that European countries do things better?


The US Postal service seems to be run well. I can send a letter to someone across the country for 50 cents. What would it cost FedEx to do the same?

Never understood the argument that the post office needs to be profitable. It's a service. No one complains that the fire department isn't profitable. Or the local park isn't profitable.

If there are ways to make if more efficient, I'm all for it. But I feel it's a valuable service to all Americans and worth paying for. We spend more on fighter jets that can't even fly than we do on the postal service.

SackAttack 04-13-2020 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3274763)
They really need to institute virtual voting.


Difficulty: they can't do that by unanimous consent because you know one GOP Representative would object. They'd have to come back in session to vote to implement it.

Catch-22.

GrantDawg 04-13-2020 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 3274699)
I think it's worked pretty well for 231 years. A lot of "democracies" have risen and fallen in a much shorter period of time. The checks and balances that prevent the popular will from overreacting to short term events has served us well in my opinion. Others may disagree.



Checks and balances stopped working when Mitch McConnell hijacked judge confirmation, first in refusing to hear Obama's pick for the Supreme Court, then removing the filibusterer on judges and ramming through completely unqualified people into the judiciary. There are no more checks and balances. The Executive ignores congressional oversight, and subpoenas. They are using a favorable court to destroy voting rights. We are seeing this democracy failing.

ISiddiqui 04-13-2020 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3274769)
Difficulty: they can't do that by unanimous consent because you know one GOP Representative would object. They'd have to come back in session to vote to implement it.

Catch-22.


Right, I know. But I was speaking more as a general pandemic and/or disaster Continuity of Operations Plan.

GrantDawg 04-13-2020 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3274766)
The US Postal service seems to be run well. I can send a letter to someone across the country for 50 cents. What would it cost FedEx to do the same?



I saw a Fed Ex employee say it would cost a minium $11.50 to just send a post card cross country.

NobodyHere 04-13-2020 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3274772)
I saw a Fed Ex employee say it would cost a minium $11.50 to just send a post card cross country.


And they would probably just hand it off to the USPS anyways.

Flasch186 04-13-2020 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3274770)
Checks and balances stopped working when Mitch McConnell hijacked judge confirmation, first in refusing to hear Obama's pick for the Supreme Court, then removing the filibusterer on judges and ramming through completely unqualified people into the judiciary. There are no more checks and balances. The Executive ignores congressional oversight, and subpoenas. They are using a favorable court to destroy voting rights. We are seeing this democracy failing.


My brother feels the same way. That we're headed towards a demagogue-like autocracy for a while where one party rams through whatever they want until there's some sort of popular uprising at the polls to overcome it all. he prays it wont be too late.

Vegas Vic 04-13-2020 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3274773)
And they would probably just hand it off to the USPS anyways.


Those USPS guys are pretty impressive, I've got to admit. If you want to save time, fast forward to 3:30 to witness some of their skills.


thesloppy 04-13-2020 04:56 PM

I can't wait to drive for 45 minutes to some industrial shithole FedEx/UPS/OnTrac/DHL warehouse to pick up my mail every week, because there's nobody at my home at 11am on Mondays.

I've noticed that both my local UPS and FedEx have moved from attempting deliver 3 times, to exactly one attempt, before they dump your package at some random spot miles away. Oh I'm sorry, I thought I had paid to have this "delivered".

Lathum 04-13-2020 04:59 PM


Lathum 04-13-2020 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3274780)
I can't wait to drive for 45 minutes to some industrial shithole FedEx/UPS/OnTrac/DHL warehouse to pick up my mail every week, because there's nobody at my home at 11am on Mondays.

I've noticed that both my local UPS and FedEx have moved from attempting deliver 3 times, to exactly one attempt, before they dump your package at some random spot miles away. Oh I'm sorry, I thought I had paid to have this "delivered".


The amazing thing about it, like so many other things with Trump supporters, is they will be the ones this impacts most.

Atocep 04-13-2020 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3274780)

I've noticed that both my local UPS and FedEx have moved from attempting deliver 3 times, to exactly one attempt, before they dump your package at some random spot miles away. Oh I'm sorry, I thought I had paid to have this "delivered".


If you're lucky they'll actually knock. Hell sometimes they don't even bother with an actual delivery attempt but log it as a failed delivery.

A couple of years ago I ordered a TV off of amazon. It was shipped Fed Ex. My son was home all day and we got a failed delivery notice with online tracking, but no paper notice on the door. The next day I stayed home, called amazon to complain, and while on the phone with amazon the amazon rep told me another failed delivery notice was logged. While I'm at home. On the phone with amazon.

I've also had UPS send a package to their warehouse with 3 failed delivery attempts, but when I picked it up from the warehouse there was no tracking info on the package showing delivery attempts.

That's not even getting into the seasonal hires who are just as likely to make a package "disappear" as they are to delivery it if it's anything of obvious value.

Lathum 04-13-2020 05:09 PM

My in laws live on a farm. It is a bit of a walk from the side of the house to the front door. I would say 80% of the time they leave their packages along the side of the house, often directly under where the gutter drains.

I had amazon drop off 2 packages yesterday. One mine, the other for a house across town. Street names not even remotely close. Not sure is it was incompetence or laziness. Both the level of inexcusable.

thesloppy 04-13-2020 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3274785)
while on the phone with amazon the amazon rep told me another failed delivery notice was logged. While I'm at home. On the phone with amazon.


Ha!

tarcone 04-13-2020 05:27 PM

Yes, where else can you get a piece of paper delivered to Alaska for 50 cents in 3 days?

Yeah, F the USPS. If this dies, our country is in trouble.

Atocep 04-13-2020 05:37 PM

My personal rankings of the delivery services based on my experiences over the past several years:

1.) USPS - not always the fastest but I know the package is going to either get here or where I sent it

2.) Amazon - bonus points because I've twice had a driver call my cell and ask if it's ok to leave a package at the door because I'm not home

3.) UPS - meh, I've had some problems but not as many as the others. Gets worse than Fed Ex during the holidays

4.) Fed Ex - 50/50 whether I get a shitshow or not.

The rest:

On Track - No idea how these guys are in business. Look, I know we said by 8pm, but 11pm with no knock is the best we can do.

DHL - Delivered to the wrong house the one time I recall receiving something from them. It was my son's baseball pants that he needed the next day. I had to go door to door at around 9pm looking for the package. The people weren't home at the place the package was left at so I had to explain to the neighbor sitting on his front porch what I was doing. Good times.

RainMaker 04-13-2020 05:58 PM

FedEx is usually OK with business stuff if you're using express. But their residential delivery is a shitshow.

Ben E Lou 04-13-2020 06:02 PM

"When somebody is President of the United States, the authority is total."--Donald Trump, a few moments ago

tarcone 04-13-2020 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3274799)
"When somebody is President of the United States, the authority is total."--Donald Trump, a few moments ago



Must be time to get rid of the 2nd amendment, because we trust in the feds.

Time to go buy a couple guns. I think that is what Im using my stimulus check for.

whomario 04-13-2020 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3274799)
"When somebody is President of the United States, the authority is total."--Donald Trump, a few moments ago


That campaign style video as well :lol: :eek: :crazy:

Lathum 04-13-2020 06:28 PM

Based off my twitter feed I am glad I stopped watching those shit shows

albionmoonlight 04-13-2020 06:48 PM

I do think that CNN is playing into his hands, though, with making the snarky Chryons.

When you stoop to his level, he wins. He is better at a name-calling gutter fight than you will ever be.

PilotMan 04-13-2020 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3274808)
I do think that CNN is playing into his hands, though, with making the snarky Chryons.

When you stoop to his level, he wins. He is better at a name-calling gutter fight than you will ever be.



Why? That's literally all Fox ever does. You can't play fair with a bully. The only thing you can do is pummel them with their faults.



tarcone 04-13-2020 07:40 PM

Im buying guns with my stimulus check

sterlingice 04-13-2020 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3274808)
I do think that CNN is playing into his hands, though, with making the snarky Chryons.

When you stoop to his level, he wins. He is better at a name-calling gutter fight than you will ever be.


Something about pigs and mud.

SI

miami_fan 04-13-2020 08:00 PM

I LOL'd

WWE deemed 'essential business' in Florida, mayor says

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"I think initially there was a review that was done. They were not initially deemed an essential business," Demings said. "With some conversation with the governor's office regarding the governor's order, they were deemed an essential business. So therefore they were allowed to remain open."

Essential businesses that are supposed to remain open during the state's stay-at-home order include those in the health care, financial, energy, food, communications and transportation sectors. Demings did not elaborate on what put the WWE into that category.

Given that many of the local strip clubs aligned themselves with the pastor that was arrested locally because they also wanted their "freedom to assemble", I can't wait to find out which category RAW is in.

Ahh Florida,

CrimsonFox 04-13-2020 08:09 PM

SUCK IT GOP

Wisconsin Supreme Court election: Jill Karofsky wins over Daniel Kelly

miami_fan 04-13-2020 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3274828)
I LOL'd

WWE deemed 'essential business' in Florida, mayor says



Given that many of the local strip clubs aligned themselves with the pastor that was arrested locally because they also wanted their "freedom to assemble", I can't wait to find out which category RAW is in.

Ahh Florida,


Today in Florida Part 2.

Exhibit A for my comment in the poll thread about when we open up.

Florida should social distance until a vaccine exists — even if it’s next year, surgeon general says

Quote:

Floridians will be keeping their distance and wearing face masks for up to a year until a COVID-19 vaccine exists, Florida Surgeon General Scott Rivkees said Monday before being whisked away by the governor’s spokeswoman.

CrimsonFox 04-13-2020 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3274829)


it's almost as if they should have let more people vote

GrantDawg 04-14-2020 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3274829)



Oh, that is so, so sweet. The GOP saying the election was invalid in 3, 2, 1....

GrantDawg 04-14-2020 06:21 AM

Isn't it great that the party for limited federal control and states rights now has a leader who says he has supreme authority and that the state and local authorities can't do anything without his approval?

CrimsonFox 04-14-2020 07:38 AM

Gee I wish we had his own words to refute his own words...

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3271942)


CrimsonFox 04-14-2020 07:38 AM


JPhillips 04-14-2020 03:03 PM

Sen. Burr is filling up his financial crimes Bingo card.

Quote:

Senator Richard Burr Sold D.C. Townhouse to Donor at a Rich Price
In a private transaction, Richard Burr, Republican of North Carolina, sold the townhouse to lobbyists who had business before his committees.

GrantDawg 04-14-2020 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3274933)
Sen. Burr is filling up his financial crimes Bingo card.



Good thing we have a President who is draining the swamp.

RainMaker 04-14-2020 03:36 PM

The weird thing about the press conferences is how long they go. Don't these people have jobs to do? 3 hours in front of a camera plus the prep time and half your workday is shot.

RainMaker 04-14-2020 03:38 PM

edit: wrong thread

tarcone 04-14-2020 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3274940)
The weird thing about the press conferences is how long they go. Don't these people have jobs to do? 3 hours in front of a camera plus the prep time and half your workday is shot.


Its like carrying around a clipboard. You know it makes you look busy.

Brian Swartz 04-14-2020 03:39 PM

The breathless headlines announcing the record total with that explanation buried six paragraphs deep will be fun

RainMaker 04-14-2020 04:02 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...d=ap_jeffstein

MIJB#19 04-14-2020 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3274943)
edit: wrong thread

Whatever it was you wrote, it can't have been as much "wrong story at the wrong place at the wrong time" as what Trump did yesterday.

Arles 04-14-2020 06:03 PM

Trump is talking about cutting the funding to the WHO (basically using them as a scapegoat).

SirFozzie 04-14-2020 06:15 PM

Trump cannot fail, he can only be failed. (IE, it's never his fault)

JPhillips 04-14-2020 06:16 PM

lol

Trump said he'll authorize governors to pick when they reopen.

I hope he authorizes the sun to rise, too.

cuervo72 04-14-2020 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 3274974)
Trump is talking about cutting the funding to the WHO (basically using them as a scapegoat).


Again - he accuses everyone else of things he's done.

NobodyHere 04-14-2020 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 3274974)
Trump is talking about cutting the funding to the WHO (basically using them as a scapegoat).


Is there any reason we should be funding WHO?

Look at their treatment of Taiwan. WHO is a Chinese mouthpiece nowadays.

whomario 04-15-2020 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3275008)
Is there any reason we should be funding WHO?


Well, if that money was now instead spend on the CDC or on anything to do with healthcare/healthcase science, maybe not. But since that seems doubtful and it is more likely he'll buy a few shiny planes with it, the question should be a different one.

Meanwhile, making sure nobody forgets who to thank in their prayers for the awesome situation they find themselves in: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...2b7_story.html

AlexB 04-15-2020 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles (Post 3274974)
Trump is talking about cutting the funding to the WHO (basically using them as a scapegoat).


Coronavirus: US to halt funding to WHO, says Trump - BBC News

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US President Donald Trump has said he is going to halt funding to the World Health Organization (WHO) because it has "failed in its basic duty" in its response to the coronavirus outbreak.
He accused the UN agency of mismanaging and covering up the spread of the virus after it emerged in China, and said it must be held accountable

I didn’t see the full press conference: I assume that he followed it up by requesting that all funds to the White House be cut for the same reasons?

Brian Swartz 04-15-2020 07:44 AM

No, he cut off China from travel before others were calling for it. Just ask him, he'll tell you. That's far more important than using the bully pulpit to encourage people to take the virus seriously instead of lying about it and calling it a hoax, having any vague semblance of a plan, preparing the country in terms of resources/hospital capacity, or ensuring we are ramping up quality testing as much as possible.

Flasch186 04-15-2020 08:14 AM

Vince McMahon knows. To have a great BabyFace you must have a great Heel.

PilotMan 04-15-2020 08:23 AM

I think he needs Vince to be the next WH Press Sec. I mean it would fit with literally everything this admin has done.

JPhillips 04-15-2020 08:29 AM

If you're getting a physical $1200 check from the government, it will be delayed by a few days as they change the printing process to include Trump's signature.

Seriously.

albionmoonlight 04-15-2020 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3275037)
No, he cut off China from travel before others were calling for it. Just ask him, he'll tell you. That's far more important than using the bully pulpit to encourage people to take the virus seriously instead of lying about it and calling it a hoax, having any vague semblance of a plan, preparing the country in terms of resources/hospital capacity, or ensuring we are ramping up quality testing as much as possible.


"Sir, here's a list of 25 things we need to be doing to save American lives over the next three months."

"Are any of them racist?"

"No, not really."

"What's the most racist thing on the list?"

"Uh, well, I guess you could call limiting travel from China kind of racist since it would disproportionately affect nonwhite people. I mean, that's not the purpose, but it does have a pretty racially discriminatory effect."

"OK. We'll do that. And then I'll do the opposite of the other 24 things on the list."

And the crazy thing is that that was the most productive White House meeting in three years.

sterlingice 04-15-2020 08:35 AM

That's what happens when you have a little neo-Nazi like Stephen Miller in the President's ear all the time.

SI

BYU 14 04-15-2020 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3275043)
"Sir, here's a list of 25 things we need to be doing to save American lives over the next three months."

"Are any of them racist?"

"No, not really."

"What's the most racist thing on the list?"

"Uh, well, I guess you could call limiting travel from China kind of racist since it would disproportionately affect nonwhite people. I mean, that's not the purpose, but it does have a pretty racially discriminatory effect."

"OK. We'll do that. And then I'll do the opposite of the other 24 things on the list."

And the crazy thing is that that was the most productive White House meeting in three years.


And the funny thing this is likely closer to the truth than anything that comes out of Trumps mouth on any given day, ever.

BYU 14 04-15-2020 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3275044)
That's what happens when you have a little neo-Nazi like Stephen Miller in the President's ear all the time.

SI


Who still has the most punchable face in America by the way.

Ben E Lou 04-15-2020 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3275046)
Who still has the most punchable face in America by the way.



albionmoonlight 04-15-2020 09:27 AM

Joke I heard:

How can Steve Miller and Donald Trump look at each other every day and still believe in the genetic superiority of the white race?

tyketime 04-15-2020 09:42 AM

You just can't make this shit up... it truly writes itself:

Quote:

Trump White House counselor Kellyanne Conway on Wednesday uncorked a scientifically illiterate rant about the coronavirus in which she blamed the World Health Organization for not having the situation better under control.

“This is COVID-19, not COVID-1, folks!” Conway said during an interview on “Fox & Friends.” “And so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization facts and figures should be on top of that right now.”

In reality, the “19” at the end of COVID-19 denotes it as a strain of the virus that was discovered in 2019, rather than marking it as the 19th overall strain of the virus.

Brian Swartz 04-15-2020 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz
The breathless headlines announcing the record total with that explanation buried six paragraphs deep will be fun


I apologize for giving certain elements of the media too much credit.

US coronavirus: Highest number of deaths in a day recorded after several days of a downward trend

Doesn't mention the extra deaths added into at least New York's count yesterday anywhere, never mind burying it.

AlexB 04-15-2020 12:43 PM


RainMaker 04-15-2020 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3275073)
I apologize for giving certain elements of the media too much credit.

US coronavirus: Highest number of deaths in a day recorded after several days of a downward trend

Doesn't mention the extra deaths added into at least New York's count yesterday anywhere, never mind burying it.


The NY additional deaths weren't part of that total. Not sure if or when they are listing it. Maybe they are backdating to the actual date of death? The high death total seems to be how we were normally tracking.

Worth pointing out that Tuesdays seem to be the worst day reporting wise because some of the weekend deaths lag in reporting.

Brian Swartz 04-15-2020 01:20 PM

That's true. I thought NY extras had been included, so I stand corrected.

whomario 04-15-2020 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexB (Post 3275105)


Missing:

- That is the biggest Iceberg
- This Iceberg is going to go away on it's own.
- People will know about this in a 100 year, just the best anyone ever hit an Ice Berg

And stealing from John Oliver:

"I want to congratulate everyone. These lifeboats have become so popular ! A few weeks ago, noting. Now they are moving like hotcakes, it's really a tribute to a well-run ship !"

Thomkal 04-15-2020 02:14 PM

Ha Alex!

JPhillips 04-15-2020 05:37 PM

President total authority is threatening to adjourn congress.

PilotMan 04-15-2020 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3275176)
President total authority is threatening to adjourn congress.


What exactly does that mean?

Brian Swartz 04-15-2020 06:11 PM

Adjournment = preventing Congress from being in session/meeting for legislative business/whatever other phraseology you want to employ.

He's managed to find a new Constitutional axe to grind. He does have the authority to do it theoretically (Article II, Section 3). It's an interesting situation where everybody's wrong. It's not meant to be used so he can do recess appointments; it's for 'extraordinary occasions' and AFAIK has never been done. At the same time, Congress should vote up or down his appointees as well.

Yet another example in my mind of there being nobody large enough for this moment in history.

albionmoonlight 04-15-2020 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3275182)
What exactly does that mean?




Put the "Adjournment Clause" on the list of "things I would have died not knowing ever existed but for Trump."

albionmoonlight 04-15-2020 06:12 PM

dola: his tweets following up the one I linked to get into it a little more.

JPhillips 04-15-2020 06:14 PM

1st, Trump is a coward and it's always safe to assume anything is just bluster.

2nd, Trump's power, as we've seen, is whatever the GOP Senate and SCOTUS say it is.

But, assuming things work normally, the House and Senate have agreed on a date for adjournment, Jan. 3 2021. Recess isn't the same as adjournment, and SCOTUS told Obama, unanimously, that he couldn't play games and get around the Senate blocking recess appointments.

It's also really fucking rich to complain about appointments when your party runs the Senate.

Atocep 04-15-2020 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3275189)
Adjournment = preventing Congress from being in session/meeting for legislative business/whatever other phraseology you want to employ.

He's managed to find a new Constitutional axe to grind. He does have the authority to do it theoretically (Article II, Section 3). It's an interesting situation where everybody's wrong. It's not meant to be used so he can do recess appointments; it's for 'extraordinary occasions' and AFAIK has never been done. At the same time, Congress should vote up or down his appointees as well.

Yet another example in my mind of there being nobody large enough for this moment in history.



This tantrum was over 1 particular person he nominated that both parties have express doubts about. Rather than nominate someone else Trump has held him limbo trying force a formal hearing and vote rather than act within our norms.

The fact is the vast majority of his openings are either because he hasn't nominated someone or because McConnell has put approving judges above all else for the past 3+ years.

Brian Swartz 04-15-2020 06:23 PM

I don't necessarily disagree with that, but it doesn't change the fact that Congress has a duty to advise and consent. Not to stall. Everyone deserves a hearing and vote if the President wants them to have one. I said the same thing under Obama, and Bush before him, and so on. The process isn't complicated. We've just made it so because we want to constantly play political football with appointments as a country.

JPhillips 04-15-2020 06:27 PM

The Dems can't stop any nominee. They are delaying as much as they can, but as Mitch has shown with judges, anybody the GOP wants to get through, gets through.

Lathum 04-15-2020 06:30 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/u...imes&smtyp=cur


If Trump had a brain in his head he would make sure this happens, then claim credit for it happening. Would buy him a ton of goodwill. Of course he is stupid so he won't.

cuervo72 04-15-2020 08:36 PM

READ: Frank Luntz Responds to Republicans Believing Trump Has More Power over States than Governors: 'C'mon, Republicans. This Is Textbook Federalism.' - Second Nexus

hahaha he thinks they care

JPhillips 04-15-2020 08:52 PM

Wait , they only care about power?

Oh, well. MAGA.

Edward64 04-15-2020 10:16 PM

Likely originated naturally but a good tactic for Trump. Find a bogeyman to blame and China is the right target. If he can find some "evidence", there are plenty of US voters & countries that will fall behind someone leading the "blame game".

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/polit...lab/index.html
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US intelligence and national security officials say the United States government is looking into the possibility that the novel coronavirus originated in a Chinese laboratory rather than a market, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter who caution it is premature to draw any conclusions.

The theory is one of multiple being pursued by investigators as they attempt to determine the origin of the coronavirus that has resulted in a pandemic and killed hundreds of thousands. The US does not believe the virus was associated with bioweapons research, and officials noted that the intelligence community is also exploring a range of other theories regarding the origination of the virus, as would typically be the case for high-profile incidents, according to an intelligence source.

The theory has been pushed by supporters of the President, including some congressional Republicans, who are eager to deflect criticisms of Trump's handling of the pandemic.

An intelligence official familiar with the government analysis said a theory US intelligence officials are investigating is that the virus originated in a laboratory in Wuhan, China, and was accidentally released to the public. Other sources told CNN that US intelligence hasn't been able to corroborate the theory but is trying to discern whether someone was infected in the lab through an accident or poor handling of materials and may have then infected others.

Brian Swartz 04-15-2020 10:32 PM

From what I've read, the science doesn't say that it's likely it occurred naturally; it says that it's pretty much a certainty. It might be a good tactic for Trump, but I can't think of much that would do more to ensure I vote D for the first time in my life instead of going third-party again.

Edward64 04-15-2020 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3275284)
From what I've read, the science doesn't say that it's likely it occurred naturally; it says that it's pretty much a certainty.


Then the conspiracy will pivot towards China allowed it to spread beyond its borders with their X, Y, Z (in)actions. The blame game will help Trump politically and I don't see a lot of downside here for him (assuming he stays on message about this ... which I know is not a sure thing).

whomario 04-16-2020 03:04 AM

Lol thinking the US right now has that much more credibility than China among other countries so that they will 'fall in line' and adopt the stance they manufactured it because of some flimsy 'evidence' not based in science, that's cute :)

People and countries are/will be critical of Chinas handling of it, but not because the US says so.

Edward64 04-16-2020 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by whomario (Post 3275310)
People and countries are/will be critical of Chinas handling of it, but not because the US says so.


Germany and rest of EU will be critical in words only, not deeds. It's in their best interests and/or nature not to be that confrontational.

Trump has shown a willingness to engage China in words and deeds. Maybe not most EU countries, but Trump has an opportunity to turn Asia, possibly Africa, unsure about South America against China if (and it's not a given) he is willing to lead the way.

I've stated before that blaming China for this mess will help him politically. There are many countries uneasy about China's influence. Trump has been given an opportunity to exploit these fears. Will he is a different question.

QuikSand 04-16-2020 06:34 AM

Give Tucker and company a couple days, they'll be right there with the "of course he can dissolve Congress, that's what a President has to do..." don't worry.

miked 04-16-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3275314)
Trump has shown a willingness to engage China in words and deeds. Maybe not most EU countries, but Trump has an opportunity to turn Asia, possibly Africa, unsure about South America against China if (and it's not a given) he is willing to lead the way.


Yes, he totally engages China and is so tough. How brave and forward thinking.


sterlingice 04-16-2020 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3275314)
Germany and rest of EU will be critical in words only, not deeds. It's in their best interests and/or nature not to be that confrontational.

Trump has shown a willingness to engage China in words and deeds. Maybe not most EU countries, but Trump has an opportunity to turn Asia, possibly Africa, unsure about South America against China if (and it's not a given) he is willing to lead the way.

I've stated before that blaming China for this mess will help him politically. There are many countries uneasy about China's influence. Trump has been given an opportunity to exploit these fears. Will he is a different question.


Except Africa is already big into the US bringing the virus to China right now. China owns a /lot/ of Africa right now because of the belt and road initiative and they've been spreading that one around there for a few weeks now.

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