I think this is a big a deal, but of course it’s no big deal. I just can’t see how one could not be a white nationalist a still align with this guy. There has to be a limit to tribalism right? Right?

The thing about tribalism is that it walks hand in glove with otherism. When your worldview is constructed around "us" versus "others," the tribe ends up getting a long damn leash.

So you do not think that the UN is a better substitute than the EU as the third leg?

Faults and all, I think its a more respected institution globally when you are talking about Africa, Asia (not sure about South/Latin America). I see getting rid of NATO and WTO and the UN still has a chance to "do shit" by itself.

That's pretty funny.

I wanted to see the reaction of the GOP members while this exchange was happening. I found a video but it didn't pan to the other members unfortunately.

Gerry Connolly on Twitter: "Republicans seem obsessed with Peter Strzok's texts about Donald Trump so I read theirs. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
#Receipts #RussianShowTrial… https://t.co/3z9hKek8A0"

I've not read where this was a pattern with him? If not a pattern and it happened as stated below, definitely stupid and insensitive, but not sure it rises to him being a racist/racial slur.

The article did say the other company on the phone moved to terminate its contract with Papa John's which indicates it may have been very bad e.g. what we read doesn't convey the tone, length of the discussion etc. Kudo's to the company on stepping away from what I assume to be a lucrative deal on principle.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/noahkir.../#781c9d844cfc

Sounds like a guy whose inability to communicate suggests his place is in the kitchen.

Thanks Trump! I just got laid off.

https://www.wtnh.com/news/internatio...s-1/1297547162


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This new GOP standard of investigators can't show any bias against those they are investigating is going to have profound impacts at the state and local level.

I guess police can no longer investigate black people then.

Mueller indicts a dozen Russians for hacking the DNC days before Trump goes to meet his boss in Helsinki.

Mueller indicts a dozen Russian intelligence folks, including naming Guccifer 2.0.

Roger Stone has already admitted to emailing Guccifer. They're getting closer.

Oh my. Indictment says a member of Congress contacted Guccifer 2.0 and asked for stolen documents in August 2016.

I imagine Stone flipped a while ago

This is brilliant:

My dude, I deal with goalpost-moving shit enough with my parents. I do not need it from you.

Look, no, you know what?

The UN is not a "more respected institution" globally. It isn't any kind of a model for integration, particularly because the Security Council is essentially a giant pissing contest. Any of the permanent members can veto anything that comes before the Council, so it's essentially been a proxy for national interest power games between the US and Russia/the USSR for the last 70 years.

That doesn't mean it doesn't have a place in the world order, but the EU is better for European stability than the UN, as currently constituted, ever could be.

Next time try to focus on what's being discussed instead of moving goalposts. That's obnoxious.

I don't think he has a pattern of racist statements, but he definitely has a pattern of saying really dumb things (and quite possibly being either an alcoholic or a lush).

Also, maybe it was partly a moral stand, but I also assume as a marketing/PR agency they just realized "holy shit, if this is how he talks when we're trying to explain to him how to handle the issue with the media, it's only a matter of time until he gets embroiled in new controversies" and the headache/potential damage to their reputation having a client like that just isn't worth the contract.

Yeah, the PR firm leaving seemed to be more of the same "we're just cutting our losses now before we get caught up in the zero tolerance/knee jerk reaction crowd" momentum. Their comment was something along the lines of differing with him on how to address his PR difficulties.

I'm not sure I understand your "moving goal post" statement. I guess its because you think I snuck UN in there? My original response in #11177 was:

Good point. Probably some moral and also some business sense in cutting their losses early.

Must be a coincidence.

July 27, 2016, Trump: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."
Indictment: That evening, Russian operatives targeted Clinton campaign emails "for the first time." pic.twitter.com/fanyaAxwfJ

— Christopher Ingraham (@_cingraham) July 13, 2018

Sure seems like collusion to me.

Any idea who is the "person" in "... person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign"?

Roger Stone

Probably Roger Stone. He's admitted to talking with Guccifer. Even posted screenshots of their conversations on his website.

Based on the names in Mueller's indictment today, we can safely call the investigation a vich hunt.

NYT Headline:

Louisville Might Rename Papa John's Stadium After Racial Slur


I know I don't have a vote, but that seems like the wrong decision...:D

Oof.

Also, has the term spearphishing been around for a while now? That's a pretty cool one.

Lot of corporate welfare for the Pence family.

Report: Pence family's failed gas stations cost taxpayers $20 million - CBS News

I think with the new indictments out today, things are going to be moving very quickly on Trump/Russia. Rumor is that the Freedom Caucus is going to impeach Rosenstein may be as soon as Monday, we'll have to see what Mueller has planned if that happens:


http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...in-soon-report

Stephen Colbert had a pretty funny monologue. The link had some video of the exchanges. I think the best ones was at approx. 5:46 and 10:00

https://www.salon.com/2018/07/13/wat...ional-hearing/

Oh yeah, I could definitely see the smirk.


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Made me immediately think of this scene from the Wire (NSFW, obviously): Criminal Conspiracy Notes - YouTube

Would be a dumb move by the GOP. Zero chance the impeachment would ever be successful and would likely help Dems quite a bit in mid-terms.

The fact that trump is the person the Republicans are ready to die on a hill for is so strange.

I'd do anything for a chance to vote for a Republican who actually gives a damn about an America that extends beyond the future their eyes will see. A real Republican, one from the days when the Democrats were all about small government.

It confuses me how that switch even happened.

I'm not usually the activist type, but I'm ready to go on this:

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller...events/search/

thanks for the link. Nice to see some advance organizing on this.

The way those indictments lay out names, times, even search terms used, should scare the shit out of all the Trump folks.

They did it and Mueller knows how.

Was Giuliani out on the talk circuit today (or will be he tomorrow)? If not, I think we might have some guesses as to why.



I'm trying not to speculate about what we don't know, just to keep from having an expectation about what might be there. So it's quite eye opening when these little bits come out about what they do know, and it seems to be much more detailed than I was expecting.

Latest tweet from him was this today. None of the regular tweeters I follow are talking about him being on any talk shows that I can see:


"Congressman Steve Cohen wants to give biased renegade Agent Strzok the Purple Heart. Now he wants to impeach the President even though DOJ disclosed that the latest indictments yield no evidence of American involvement. This is pathological.:


Appararently, he's been off twitter since 2016.

So some idiot on Twitter posted a picture of a rally in London supporting Tommy Robinson (white supremacist) and Trump, claiming it was larger than the anti-Trump rally, and won't be covered by MSM as a result. Of course it would help if the picture was in London. It's not, its in Cairo Egypt and has a lot of people praying..and not to Trump I can guarantee.

lol

Schnatters defense is that he got in trouble because he wouldn't say n!@#@!

A glimpse into why Republicans have been throwing a fit over Sacha Baron Cohen's new show.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...merica-review/

Interesting article on the British investigation into the ties between Cambridge Analytca, Facebook, the Leave EU campaign, and Trump/Russia:


Elizabeth Denham: ‘Data crimes are real crimes’ | UK news | The Guardian

You should really read through the indictment. It's fascinating in how advanced Russia is in cyber warfare. Much further ahead than we are.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/13/175688...ment-full-text

I thought one of the interesting things was how they took defunct local papers and created Facebook pages for them. Then linked out to legit stories and built up followings. Like the Chicago Daily News hasn't existed since the 70's but still had a semi-recognizable name. They got a lot of followers.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2018/07...ricans-report/

They have been actively using, learning, and adapting cyber war with the Ukraine for well over a decade, in the field. There's next to no risk for them in that battle. I'm guessing that the US has some pretty good work behind the scenes too, but I'd rather just know it's there and not hear about it in a world court or in Newsweek.

Yeah, part of being good at this stuff is not having your successes and techniques known by everyone in the world.

I doubt they are more advanced than the US and I'm sure most of America's exploits remain unknown.

Correct.

That was quite the Q&A session. Not sure how you go to work tomorrow if you are Dan Coates or others in intelligence.

So the american president just pretty much sold out all american intelligence agencies and sided with the foreign power at fault based on a single one on one talk. And Germany is the one wholly in Russia's pocket he said :lol:

And Putin said he wanted Trump to win.