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I think it's a strange hill to die on when you look at how messy the nominee selection process has been historically and how small of a role "the people" have directly played in the process. |
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Is it racist (or in this case sexist) if it is true? Joe Biden specifically said he was looking for a woman to be his Vice President. Her being Vice President is the only reason she's the leading candidate. If Joe had a announced a policy like that while working for a private company he would be sued into the ground. |
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Is being racist or sexist bad?
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That’s part of the problem for me Just own it If you’re racist or sexist don’t be ashamed of it. It’s tough to live in shame. The GOP members (and anyone else) ought to just own it and say it out loud. They’ll find like minded prime. Perhaps they already have. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I don't know why people have allowed the right to shape what being a DEI hire means. It doesn't mean less qualified or anything of that nature. Why DEI hires are needed is the bigger question.
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If you think Harris is less qualified than Trump or Thiel, oops Vance, then I seriously question your judgement. Biden was selected by Obama because he was an old, white guy. He's DEI all the way. |
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Why anyone batshit enough to believe they're anything other handouts to people who haven't earned something are allowed to vote, or even walk the streets with sane people is the bigger question. And THAT is among the things that has killed a once great nation: we're allowing the chronically stupid and/or mentally ill to vote. |
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She was a successful AG and senator from the biggest state in the union. She is qualified and to suggest she was selected because she is black and is unqualified is racist and sexist. Just own it. Trumps VP has literally been in government for 18 months and already comes across as a buffoon. |
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It's a reason to tear down people of color or women. Period. JD Vance wasn't questioned as a DEI hire even though Tim Scott and countless others within the GOP were infinitely more qualified to be VP. He's a bad author pretending to be a bad politician with no experience in government. |
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That's not new. Those people have always been able to vote. |
I mean, at least for Vance he did get his way to a good school then got a fairly high-powered job. Not really sure that qualifies him to be VP*, but I'll hand that to him. How many positions in finance, law, law enforcement, etc. are gotten just because daddy/pappy lined things up for them? How are those not handouts? We're decrying this too, yes?
(Can't leave out nepo babies in music/Hollywood or politics either.) * On the other hand, I was just reading The Forrestal Diaries and back then it didn't seem abnormal for someone who did well in business to swing over to government for a time to, well, help the country. Of course in Forrestal's case he was rewarded for it by cracking from the stress and plunging from an open window. |
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For Vance, Thiel is his daddy. Thiel has provided him almost everything in his career including jobs, a Venture Capital company, and over $15M for his campaign. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Thiel was involved in promoting and propping up the book. |
Regardless of what you think of Trump, hasn't his winning an election put to bed the idea of who is "qualified" to hold a position?
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Sure, of course. I guess my thought is if you support Trump (or are even kind of okay with him), but you argue someone else is a DEI candidate, you can't legitimately argue that candidate is not qualified. So all that's left is that you have a problem with the fact that the candidate is diverse. |
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We can only hope to be as consistent and thoughtful as you and Brian. Maybe one day we'll be better, but until then, we have you to guide us. Thanks for setting such a great example. |
If Trump got sick tomorrow and then they did the same process of having trumps delegates be released and put them towards vance thatd be about what youd expect i gusss.
Ideally biden would have dropped much sooner but it seems having his delegates released and then them voting for kamala his vp and who he endorsed seems to fit within the history and rules. |
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Our founders didn't predict the growth of political parties so there really aren't any rules for how parties nominate anyone. We've had numerous revisions throughout our history on how it's done. The people directly selecting someone has never been one of those ways. There's also been corruption and backroom deals when left to any level of legislation. I don't see how this isn't a democratic process. People aren't forced to vote for Kamala in the presidential election. She still has to win an election to hold office. |
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I could write literally the exact same sentence about venture capital or bailouts propping up businesses that would/have failed in the "open market". This country has been built on handouts, bailouts and family/fraternity/Masonic/military/romantic/national/political/sports/looks etc nepotism since it's founding so I have to wonder about folks who only see an issue and get angry when minoritites get jobs. What do you think the odds are that screeching Lauren Boebert never hired family or friends, and always hired the most qualifed applicant, to work for her at "Shooters Grill"? |
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Where would we be without the grace of libertarians sharing their collective secrets of governing nowehere and nobody? |
This might be telling. Kelly was one of only three Democratic Senators that were holding out on this pro-union legislation. He had stated he wasn't totally against it, but wanted some parts of it changed. This was a sticking point to a couple of Unions that said they wouldn't endorse him as VP because of this. Now he says he would definitely vote for it.
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Jeez, that's a big net. Also, they will announce a pick before August 7th. They are pressing ahead with the phone nomination vote to make sure they get the names in before the Ohio August 7th ballot date. They are still afraid that a legal challenge might keep Harris off the ballot if they don't meet the old deadline.
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1. The democrats would lose their mind if the Republicans pulled something like this to get Trump nominated without going through a primary 2. The republicans would 100% do number 1 if faced with a poor polling old guy they didn't like. I know this isn't new, but the "win at all costs" that American politics has turned into is a sad state. Each side has their followers in such a fervor that if the other side wins, their lives will not be worth living. Republicans were fine under Clinton Democrats were fine under W Republicans were fine under Obama Democrats were fine under Trump Republicans were fine under Biden Republicans will be fine under Harris and democrats will be fine (again) if Trump wins. But I guess stating this goes against the justification for spending billions of dollars on election and thousands of hours campaigning. |
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Sorry, but I won't take it for granted that my transgender daughter will be okay if Trump wins and starts implementing Project 2025 plans. |
Brian is right in the sense that it's an undemocratic process. But it's always been one. Your vote in Presidential primaries is merely a suggestion. The party does not have to respect it at all. I think it's a terrible system but to be mad at it now instead of for the past century or two doesn't seem fair.
With that said, I don't know what other option there was. Not enough time for a primary and no one is jumping at the chance to throw their hat in the ring. And even if you did open it up, you're still putting the vote in the hadns of delegates and not voters. Now this sucks for those who want a more democratic approach, but the blame goes for the DNC for closing off the primary and discouraging anyone from running and Biden for being a narcissist who put the party and its supporters in this position. |
Another person being vetted: Admiral William McRaven. He oversaw the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and was the chancellor of the University of Texas.
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To piggyback on this, the media needs to be called out for the way they characterize some of this. Case in point, the NYT ran an article with the headline, "Trump's New Rival May Bring Out His Harshest Instincts." This is in response to the misogynistic/racist attacks on Harris. And notice, the headline suggests this is HARRIS'S fault for provoking MAGA by existing as a black female Presidential candidate. Fucking awful. |
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If you can’t see how different this gop is powered by the heritage foundation then you haven’t been paying attention. They absolutely want to fundamentally change our nation and damn anyone who it affects negatively. They aren’t exactly keeping their intentions a secret. |
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As of today me and the kids are dual citizens of Austria.
The irony that I put a parachute on my Jewish family (just in case) and it’s Austria of all places is not lost on me. The wife will have to fend for herself 😂 Anyways not a joke post But Apparently to get an Austrian passport r we have to go to New York ![]() Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Anyone with a daughter, sister, niece, etc should be worried. Especially if Vance is anywhere near power.
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Yeah, him changing his position on that makes me think he's the frontrunner. All things considered, he's a really tough guy to attack and the contrast between him and Vance on a stage will be staggering. I was against it because that Senate seat is valuable, but fuck it. If you have a shot to end Trumpism, you go for it. Beshear, Walz, JB, Whitmer, and Cooper would be fine although I dont' think help much. Shapiro is risky but has some upside. Still wouldn't risk it. |
Kelly is the slam dunk choice
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Presidents do virtually nothing regarding social issues. The actual impact is: Supreme Court: 60% States: 35% President: 5% All presidents can really do is appoint judges (the 5%) or is veto something - but the odds of the senate and the house passing anything that impactful are very small. The only two court judges close to retirement are both conservative judges: Alito and Thomas, and those two retiring in the next four years is unlikely. I can't think of a presidential election that will end up having a smaller impact on social issues that this one. Obama and the first Trump were way more important as they appointed 5 judges (the age of the judges was a very small factor in me voting for Oabama and Hillary - but not the deciding one). I will be voting for Harris because I don't want to watch Trump bloviate for another four years and there is a very small chance she could replace one of the two older judges. As a social liberal, if Trump wins, it's unlikely anything negative happens to gay rights or abortion. I think people really overestimate the impact the president had. I mean, Roe vs Wade was overturned with Biden in office. |
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I think Kelly is the right call. Beshear would be solid if he was from a swing state. Shapiro would get a lot of push back from a voting group you really need to pull. I don't think Whitmer is a good fit to pair with Kamala, which is unfortunate. |
Well, you know. Kamala has to make a DEI hire of a straight white man.
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They're Australian, not Austrian. Also, I'm so old my kids were watching this with the originals. And I saw them live twice. |
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Sadly she probably does. |
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The case started from a 2018 law that Mississippi passed, which they did because they sensed there was no longer a pro-choice majority on the court, due to Trump's appointees. (They were clearly right). Lower courts blocked enforcement of the law in March 2018 and the appeals process took a couple years to get up to SCOTUS. Before Trump was elected, SCOTUS had a 5-4 pro-choice majority. If he didn't get elected, then that majority would've remained and Roe would not have been overturned. Not sure why you picked this example, since it's probably the clearest example of the impact Trump had on the country. |
And he is out. It is possible that he was being vetted mostly to see if he might be interested in another role in a future Harris White House...
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But it's not a private company, it's the government. And the government is supposed to be representative of the entire population, not just a few well-connected white guys. If the argument is that there is not a single woman eligible that could fill that role, fine. But I think his argument is that he wanted his government to be representative of all people. And I don't think that's a terrible thing to want in government. Not gender or race specific, but I want some diversity in positions. I don't think the Supreme Court should be filled with people who went to the same schools, were in the same clubs, clerked for the same people, and had the same legal careers. We should have someone who worked their way up through a state school. Someone who worked as a public defender. The full gamut of experiences that represent the entire population would provide fairer rulings. I don't really see the issue with her. If we're comparing resumes of Biden/Trump, one has failed upwards his entire life and the other inherited a ton of money from his Daddy and still had to con his way through life because he couldn't figure out how to run a successful business. If we're talking about qualifications and credentials to be President, Harris has them beat by a country mile and the only reason this is being brought up is because she is black and a woman. And I don't particularly think that highly of Harris either. Biden and Trump are the one's that got handouts most of their life. |
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I'm pretty sure it was a 5-4 Pro-Life majority. Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavannaugh. |
Yeah, the idea that Harris is a DEI candidate is literally nuts. She was a district attorney for 7 years, the Attorney General for 6 years and a senator in one of the biggest states for 4 years. Throw in her four years as VP and you could make the argument she is the most qualified person to run for president right now.
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Gorsuch and Kavanaugh were appointed by Trump.
Pre-Trump the court was Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, Kennedy, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Roberts. The first 5 were all pro-choice, or at least pro-Roe. |
It basically went from 5-4 republican to 6-3. You could argue the Ginsburg to Barrett change is the reason Roe was overturned. But that's stating that Roberts would have abstained when his vote would have been the deciding one (which is debatable). Still, I agree the first Trump election had a lot more riding on the court than this one does. I think it's certainly a factor, but I don't see the "dire consequences" the country faces for social issues if Trump gets four final years over Harris. It's way more important to have state reps that agree with you socially than the president.
Again, if the president was as powerful on this as the media makes it seem, Biden should have thrown the kitchen sink at making Roe a law. Nothing happened on that front under him. |
When you read Harris' resume, it really is quite impressive.
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There were two Roe votes that changed. While Kennedy was a Republican, he was notoriously pro-Roe as one of the three authors of the per curiam opinion that upheld the right to an abortion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. So you had Kennedy replaced by Kavanaugh and Ginsburg replaced by Barrett. Roe would not have been overturned if Clinton won. I'm not sure why you keep distorting facts to suit your "things don't matter" narrative. You could make your point without that. |
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It would have been 4-3. They would not have confirmed a Justice for Clinton. Ginsburg refusing to step down under Obama really hurt too. Despite all the YAS QUEEN memes thrown around, she ended up really fucking over tye pro-choice movement over her narcissism. |
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On the contrary, the people have had the power overwhelmingly and consistently compared to any other factor. I wish to give credit where credit is due. You, and others who am I not quoting for sake of brevity, have most accurately pointed out that there is no law requiring delegates to follow the votes of the people. The party technically can just ignore those votes - but this is the first time they have actually done so. That is the difference. This is not about a brokered convention or candidates dropping out and pledging their delegates to the victor, but it's worth noting that the very concept of doing such a thing involves recognizing that the delegates were bound to follow the votes in their states, or they couldn't be pledged to anyone; if they were completely free to do whatever they felt like, a candidate dropping out would have no control over them. It would also be a lot less common for candidates to drop out in any race that is remotely close, since who knows if the delegates might hand the race to them anyway. When a majority of delegates are delivered by vote of the people, before the convention, you always see rivals dropping out if they haven't already. Why? Because it's over at that point. Because everyone understands that those delegates are, in fact, going to follow the people's vote. They are not free agents. Of the examples that have been brought up, probably 2008 Obama-Clinton is the most relevant. In that primary there were 4233 delegates, 823 of which were superdelegates. Yes, superdelegates are an undemocratic concept. They were also less than a fifth of the total amount. A significant number of delegates from just a couple of states deciding to vote for Clinton instead of Obama would have shifted the outcome. Another example of course is 2016, in which the Republican Party decidedly did not want Trump to be the nominee, to a degree where there is no historic comparison. The people voted for him anyway. They said they didn't want Rubio, Cruz, Kasich, Graham, Jeb Bush, or any of the other 'establishment' candidates. I agree with the board that they made a terrible choice, but the point is the party wanted one thing, the people wanted another. The people won. A similar movement supported Bernie Sanders on the democratic side, but wasn't nearly as strong so Biden won out. This is one of, and probably the most effective way that the people have of expressing to their party that they don't think they are being represented the way they want; saying no to some candidates and yes to others in the primary process. People like Liz Cheney and Justin Amash didn't get rubbed out of their positions by party fiat. It happened because the people in their districts soundly booted them in the primaries. I think America is worse off for this, but that's kind of the price of democracy. What has happened here is a step way beyond that Obama-Clinton example, which in it's own right would have been historically unprecedented. It's simply the outright nullification of the primary vote. Maybe there are those who I haven't heard of, but as far as I know no delegate or congressman took a moment to pause after Biden's withdrawal and say 'you know, I'm going to wait a couple days to hear from my constituents on who they think I should endorse, since the person they chose isn't running anymore'. Every single one who didn't do that should be ashamed of themselves. Quote:
It's not disingenuous at all. As I have said, it's not about who was chosen; it's about the process by which they are chosen, and who is making the decision. It is, by definition, a wholly undemocratic process. I don't know why you said it would be ridiculous to have a primary if there were more parties. I would think any party that has democracy as an important value would want the people to choose their nominee. Any party could always just say 'we're not going to do it that way', which again tells me they aren't valuing democracy. What I won't just ignore though, is this idea that the goal is to defeat Trump to save democracy, and then to do so in a completely undemocratic way. You can't come crying about election deniers (which Trump absolutely is and which is horrible and poisonous) and then just toss aside the results of your own election because it isn't working out, and choose a replacement without so much as pausing for a second to consider who the people might actually want as the candidate. I think Obama was right when he said that elections have consequences. When that happens, I say it's as clear as 2+2=4 that those saying it are full of crap. As Arles said, it's just 'win at all costs', which ... be honest that's what it is then, that you don't care about democracy and just want to defeat Trumpism. That the main problem with his authoritarianism and all the rest is just that it's aimed at the wrong policy goals. |
I really don't understand the outrage over the lack of primary. When I voted in my primary, it was for the Biden-Harris ticket (even though Joe's name was probably the only one on the ballot)...but I knew who the ticket was. And I knew how old Joe was, so the idea that he might very well die before the election even rolled around was a possibility that factored into my thinking.
If anything, I guess I'd be more annoyed if they disregarded my having considered the possibility and decided to make it a free-for-all on a timeline where there's no chance my state could get together a new primary in time for me to vote in it. That said, I live in Indiana and by the time we primary, the race is already decided most of the time anyway, so I'm either giving a protest emoji or a thumbs-up to the will of the people in all the states who voted before me. Please don't mistake me for a Kamala Harris fan, though. I'm about as neutral on her as I was on Dan Quayle, and that motherfucker was even from here. I generally don't spend a ton of time thinking about vice presidents (though I'm with Quayle on potato-with-an-e being a completely valid school of magic). I'm learning about her right along with the rest of the nation, and I'd prefer her to Trump based solely on qualifications. Interestingly, my very conservative brother-in-law's reaction to Biden's speech tonight on social media was "Now, if we could just get the other old white guy to step aside for a qualified replacement, we'd be getting somewhere." So there are still things around which we can all agree. (I like my brother-in-law. He's super conservative, but a great guy...and he cares about as much about politics as he does about sportsball, which is as close to a direct quote as I can remember from him off the top of my head. |
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It seems necessary to clarify: I'm talking about modern political history. I agree, without qualification, that many things were done differently in previous eras. One might observe the obvious point that women couldn't vote for the majority of US history and that there have been many other such shifts in who could vote, under what circumstances, the civil war, all of that sordid stuff. If one spoke of the need to save democracy in the first hundred years of the republic, that would likely have been considered a terrible idea. |
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That's the first time I can recall it being suggested that I am an AI or plagiarizing one. Makes sense though; I've seen most other kinds of insults, it was probably just a matter of time until that one came up.
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I disagree with Brian, but I dont think comments like this are appropriate or kind. I appreciate the view points being presented including from him and Arles and it seems just about all of us here ultimately want democracy preserved and Trump to go away. |
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I would typically agree with this last part but i think Trump and this project 2025 is scary and am not sure many will he fine if Trump wins. |
Glad that is cleared up.
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"I did not have sexual relations with that sofa"
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You have to give off serious weirdo vibes for the rumor that you had sex with a sofa to actually get some legs because people can’t reject it 100% out of hand.
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Trump really swung and missed with that pick. I think that VP picks really don’t matter to the election, so Vance won’t matter. And whoever Harris picks won’t matter. But it was still a crazy weird pick.
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It was more the way it was written. It read like AI wrote it. |
Did they also search love seat, barca lounger, or futon?
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We have a love sac, the cushions shift too much and the gaps are way too wide for a guy like Vance to get anything out of it.
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OTOH, women humping pillows? Kinda sexy.
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I like Kamala's branding with freedom. It's a nice way to tie everything together without sounding as scolding as some Dem messaging. Generally, the more hopeful optimistic candidate wins.
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that's where my PredictIt money is |
Regardless of who the VP pick is one thing that can’t happen is if the first choice declines have that leaked.
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Apparently Trump claimed in his speech last night he was going to build an iron dome over the US. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid and gullible most of his followers are.
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Agreed. Most people were not responding to Biden's "save Democracy" apocalyptic messaging. I think the reality is, too many people still see what's going on as politics as usual, and they won't believe it until they see it. Which, of course, is too late, but not if you don't believe it'll really happen. This is a more generic/hopeful way of making the same point. |
I'm on record saying the VP choice doesn't matter and I think that's true, but I am liking Walz more the more I hear him speak. He's really quick and I love the way he's making the far-right into clowns rather than super villains.
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One of the best defenses against Trump-style bullies is just to laugh at them. And Walz has that gift better than any of the other contenders. |
Like, Pete is a great attack dog, but it is always so serious.
Walz is just like "These guys are fuckin weird" and it comes off so natural. |
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Not the worst 1-2-3 punch honestly Biden: This is about saving democracy Kamala: This is about moving forward and individual freedom and jobs Walz: What a bunch of fuckin weirdos on the other side, amirite? |
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And the other side will replay: Trump: I hire the best people! Vance: That Davenport has some really nice curves. |
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I think you ignore what Trump is aiming to do with a 2nd presidency. He surrounded himself with establishment figures that weren't going to let him go full Trump last time. He had to in order to get acceptance from what was the core.of the party at the time. That core isn't the core anymore so the guardrails don't exist. Take him at his word. He wants to fire 10k federal workers. He wants to eliminate the EPA and dept of education. He wants eliminate multiple government agencies and bring them under the executive branch. He tried to take over the FBI at the of his last term and the only thing that prevented it was he hadn't fired enough people to get his guys in place yet to support something like that. His VP wrote the foreward for the upcoming book by the guy that wrote playbook to create an authoritarian regime. When did Clinton, Bush, Obama, or Biden openly discuss an authoritarian takeover of the executive branch? These aren't Fox News fears being pushed on voters. These are the things Trump is saying and doing. |
I've said something similar before, probably several times, but I have been pleasantly surprised how little dirt the media can pin onto Harris, and the only clickbait they can come up with in that regard is how racist the GOP are treating her, while Trump's age and confusion have stayed a hot topic that dems no longer have to share in any way.
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Likewise, while the prospect of siphoning votes from two octogenarians seemed like a legit fear, I feel like Harris has probably put a damper on anyone seeking change or relative youth, and as such Kennedy has suddenly become a bigger problem for Republicans than Democrats.
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I have heard her called the border czar a million times and also the DEI hire, but that one has stopped pretty quickly, I guess it wasn't getting the traction they were hoping for.
Also with the "I don't know anything about Project 2025" that Trump always says, isn't his top advisor the main guy on the project? Doesn't anybody ask him if he's heard of this guy? That's something Biden couldn't do, call him out on the lies, because he wasn't fast enough to keep up with him. |
Yes, someone - Harris, the media, anyone - needs to straight-up connect P25 to all of the people who are currently and have in the past been directly involved in his administration or campaigns. He can lie about it because no one calls him on it. It's just on to the next subject/lie.
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JD Vance wrote the foreward for the Project 2025 guy's upcoming book. No one is buying the denials. The links to the heritage foundation are throughout his circle and the heritage foundation has been involved in GOP policy since the Reagan administration. Trump has just given them the confidence to be open about what they really want. |
On Fox today Trump said he knows nothing about Project 2025 and that some of it are good ideas.
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Well I didn't know why you all kept talking about couches and I now wish I hadn't found out.
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I toldly believe he has no idea what's in P25, because Trump doesn't read anything. He won't directly being doing any of it anyway, it will be his Heritage Foundation approved Chief of Staff that will be while he plays golf. |
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No Melania, I've never met the prostitute sitting on top of me. |
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The biggest knock on her is that she let the banks skate when she was DA but was tough on poorer kids. But I don't think Republicans are going to base a campaign around her not being tough enough on their friends, so she'll probably get a pass on that. |
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Yeah your campaign isn't going well when denials of your VP having sex with a couch is what's trending online. |
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I guess they can talk about his "childless women" talk which seems to have drawn the ire of even conservative women. They had to think Biden was staying in and this would be a cakewalk. Vance is such a bad VP choice with so many skeletons in his closet. Wait till his chats with his teenage interns makes the rounds. |
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Some of the headlines today are awesome. ![]() ![]() ![]() As I bloviated above, Trump's been saying this type of shit the whole time, but I think it's only now making headlines because 'old men in a horserace' is off the table...or maybe they're just trying to pump up Kamala's polling until horserace becomes the primary narrative again. |
The way Project 2025 is talked about here you'd think it was some top-secret memo about them launching simultaneous nuclear strikes on Korea, Iran, China, and Russia, while broadcasting the torture of democrats for sport. Most of it, including eliminating beauracratic jobs, the Department of Education and the DEA, has openly been a goal of conservatives for several decades. Trump was talking about eliminating the 'Department of Environmental' in previous campaigns along with other agencies.
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