oops sorry...

well if you're backing nfg then henry's list is wrong, correct? And the chance of there being a traitor or cunning seems near 100% in this game.

I'll vote Pass as long as you think you've thought this through.

alright - who's fucking with nfg this time?

Oh so now NFG gets imprisoned and can't say anything more? Convenient.

I'm still very, very torn. For now

vote Pass

wtf?

That wasn't you DT?

Okay, this is a rollercoaster for me at the moment (I have gone from dumbfounded that I couldn't get anyone to listen to ticked that it seemed like everyone had turned against me, in my head at least, to now even more confused about the nfg thing, just who took him?). I am going to step away and clear my head. I think I am still concerned with henry's status and claim but we'll see how the next day turns out. It looks like we're going to have a weekend to decide what to do next.

The only way it would make henry's list wrong is if saldana is actually a wolf, which DT suggested, but I don't recall the connection between saldana/Pass

Not me.:banghead:

Yeah dude, that doesn't sound very torn to me. :p

Yes, you definitely gained the most in this.

Huh... that's right, isn't it? Danny, Jack, and NFG in one night then.

Catching up before I vote and am gone until evening......but I have to say, wouldn't these be the only possible scenarios BEFORE you were accused? ;)

Something sticks to high heaven right now.

i have.

the only way i can see this being wrong is if suvarov is a traitor or cunning(in which case the wolves win and we might as well go home now), or if somebody had a power to drug him and mess with his mind and make him think he saw something he didn't.

i think the first of those is basically impossible, and i think the second of those is wayyyyyy out there on the list of potential things.

plus, if we lynch pass and he somehow is good - we have cleared saldana (who pass vouched for as soothsayer), so we're only down one villager.

LOL

no

DT, is it possible NFG has another win scenario?

Anyone owning up to doing that to nfg? It makes me believe him since the only reason I can see to take him away is to get at Jack? But who here is in charge of the FBI?

soothsayer-pass vouched for saldana.

Thanks.

Poor NFG, thrown behind bars right after he got out? Obviously he said too much for someone...

Is that someone you?

Why do you think Sukarov being a cunning or traitor is imposisble?

I agree the second is way out there. I'm glad I hesitated on stringing EF up, I guess. So if Pass is good, Saldana is vouched for and we lynch nfg? If Pass is bad, saldana's bad and EF is bad?

This is frigging confusing.

not possible IMO. Wouldn't make any sense by the standard rules of WW.

ISiddiqui has a power related to the government - maybe he was lying about what exactly it was and he's one of the wolves?

methinks by that statement he is. isiddiqui claimed a power related to government - maybe he was trying to play it close to his real power and he's the conspirator inside the fbi

Okay, as much as I want to stay and rail about this, I should really work out. Back in an hour, at which point, I will continue railing.

Make sure your PM says what you think it says and reply before I put a vote down.

i just think it is.

if pass is good then saldana is vouched for and we CONSIDER lynching nfg (or seriously consider the fact that the 2nd way is wayyyyy out there).

if pass is bad then i PRESUME saldana is bad and EF may/is likely to be good.

It wasn't me. I have absolutely nothing to fear from NFG's spilling the beans about who put him away.

DT, why do you say that if Sukarov is cunning then the wolves win?

+1

Because remember if you think he is too powerful.. you are Jack Bauer.

And it's usually the people closest to the good people that betray them in the show. :)

I was trying to claim it was either king or saldana, but to further clear myself, I'll note that my character was never associated with the FBI in the show.

Is there an updated count, BTW? I really do have to run soon.

as long as nfg is confident in his vote i am confident in mine

aaah okay. i couldn't recall your role-PM and i am a bit work-swamped.

Thomkal: henry (1711 9:35 pm) saldana (1758; 10:33 pm) ntn (1762, 10:35 pm)
Pass: EF (2052 1:45 pm) DT (2057, 1:45 pm) Jackal (2062, 1:46 PM) PB (2109 2:00)
EF: Pass (1986, 1:05 pm)

DT: Understandable.

I was with path, in wanting to NFG to make sure that his PM said what he thought it said, but since the wolves don't want NFG to talk anymore, I don't think I can wait around...

Vote Pass

Dang. I'm this close to voting Pass, but there's a few things I'm just really unsure about right now.

I'm waiting. I'll be out until around 5PM Pacific. I'd rather hold my vote than get the wrong guy here.

anything i can help you with?

i trust nfg. i think his initial wording can be attributed to excitement and also to rushing because maybe he knew he could be silenced again? and also to trying not to reveal too much initially about his powers.

Well, I guess we can't interrogate nfg further so all we can do is test it with a lynch, as much as his story sounds fishy.

Vote Pass

if nfg is wrong you all can lynch me next, how's that?

lol - bet hoops + barkeep never even considered that possibility - that'd be a funny writeup

LOL!!!

The members of CTU decide to lynch Jack Bauer... until they find out that he's unkillable, oh shit ;)

Af of 2148 (correct me if I missed anything):

Thom 3 (19%) - henry (1711), saldana (1758), ntn (1762)
EF 1 (6%) - Pass (1986)
Pass 7 (44%) - nfg (2033), EF (2052), DT (2057), Jackal (2062), PB (2109), IS (2143), Autumn (2148)


Yet to vote:
Autumn, Schmidty, BrianD, Thomkal, path12, king


Does nfg's vote not count?

Beep, beep, beep, beep...

I ask about nfg as I don't see him in BK's count.

The clock is having a very strong Day 4.

his vote should count. he got it in before he was silenced.

Sorry, I just got back from a very promising job interview. I hope I get it because I hate my current one.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I vote for Thomkal earlier. I'll check.

schmidty - you should move to pass now, since nfg returned to tell us that pass was a wolfy mcwolferstein.

that's the summary of what's gone on.

I think it was before the last lynch.

I wish you the best with that job, hope it works out for you. You have a lot to catch up on, it's been a wild day/night.

Just trying to run some scenarios through my head and I can't get over these items:

1. My role blocks any action when I decide to discipline an individual. This includes powers. So how does nfg's power save him while disciplined?
2. If nfg is telling the truth, the wolves get 3 night kill attempts last night?
3. If nfg is telling the truth, why would the wolves silence him. It just makes pass look even more guilty.

Yeah, now that I'm to page 42, I'm seeing that.

Vote Pass

regardless of that - i believe nfg, and others really should cast aside their questions and vote pass.

Ok, I hate to leave once again, but I am fricking hungry 9haven't eaten all day), so going to get some chinese and then hit a bucket of balls at the range. I should be back in like an hour and a half. Please don't me read five more pages. :)

Correct.

So you're basically saying don't use rational thought. Blindly follow me.

Sorry. Not good enough for me.

As of 2163:

Thom 3 (19%) - henry (1711), saldana (1758), ntn (1762)
EF 1 (6%) - Pass (1986)
Pass 8 (50%) - nfg (2033), EF (2052), DT (2057), Jackal (2062), PB (2109), IS (2143), Autumn (2148), Schmidty (2161)


Yet to vote:
BrianD, Thomkal, path12, king

So nfg's vote does not count? Does that mean the percentages are based on 15 instead of 16?

Careful, I've been down that road. It's not pretty. :)

His vote doesn't count. As for the %, no comment.

how about this then: "i have more complete information than you, but to reveal it would serve no purpose other than endangering other villagers."

is that good enough?

or maybe the wolf kill attempt on me is separate from their killings of you guys

You know what?

I don't think I like you either. :p

Don't people find it a little convenient that the wolves are trying to discredit me right after I found out about EagleFan?

DT, you say you trust NFG. Did you know that he would be able to protect both you and himself from attacks on the same night, while also finding out who the killer is? That just does not hold water with me. At what point did you trust him, and are you sure there's been no conversion since then?

LOL - or you're lying about EagleFan. Or you're telling the truth.

NFG has more trust in my book than you do.

It would take...something momentus to get me to move my vote at the moment. Like the wolf-carcass of NFG deposited in-thread. And I hope all the other CoT villagers feel the same way.

Yeah, it's probably one of those :p

yes i knew that Pass.

I am not sure there has been no conversion, no. But like I said, until it's proven that there has been a conversion I choose to believe there hasn't. If we lynch you and you show up villager then I will strongly consider the possibility of conversion. But I won't lynch NFG instead of you to try to prove a conclusion, because I have more trust in him than I do in you.

I see the complete picture of what is going on here. The wolves grabbed NFG again and silenced him and will now try to discredit him and turn the rest of the villagers away from the truth while he is silenced.

I won't let that happen. You're not going to beat us that way. You furry bastards are going down.

sorry in #2177 "conclusion" should be "conversion"

your power is also "used up" pass, and nfg still has the ability to provide me with protection

As for the first paragraph, I'm pretty sure you're lying. You probably don't want to say what's really making you believe him, and that's fine, but the role as NFG has laid it out is insane. It's insane enough that one person would be able to kill two people in one night -- that NEVER happens -- but then he has a role that, if he and the main character are attacked by the same person, he finds out who did it? Come on.

As for the second paragraph, I see what you're saying in theory -- that when it gets down to big showdowns like this, that my death will at least be meaningful. But I'll save patting myself on the back for that until after I'm dead, and in the meantime, I'm going to devote my time to making you and everyone else see that this is obviously a set-up. The really stupid thing about it from their part is that I already said that I can only use my ability twice per game -- DT himself can confirm that -- so I'm really just a vanilla villager right now. But notice that we are FAR removed from what we've been talking about last night and this morning.

I'm with King that the story doesn't hold water. But I don't exactly have the standing right now to argue much. I'll follow DT and see where it goes. Either way we'll have our lynch options set out for us.

Damn, beat me to it. Good luck with your 'protection' then! :)

I'm going to have to go this route as well since it seems no other options are out there.

Vote Pass

I'll be offline for about an hour and a half.

We must be close to triggering a lynch, it would be nice to find out something before the weekend starts.

pass - i know it's counterintuitive, but if you are a villager, the best course of action for you is to not fight it.

we all know everyone wants to live till the end, but sometimes you have to serve the greater good.

see if i had any doubts i think this pretty much removes them - it seems like you know something that nobody else does, which you could only know through being a wolf.

I have to say. It has been an interesting game but there is way too much based on what just one person says in this game. At this point I feel like a passenger to be honest.

Dare to question DT and get labeled a wolf as he can't be wrong again, or again, or again.

Sorry, that was just a venting post not really aimed at the current situation. I just think that DT's smugness is really rubbing some people the wrong way, yes you are coming off smug IMHO.

Not sure how many new players we have but most WW games aren't this cryptic and are actually based on what happens in thread and your interpretation of those things.

I know, not the right time and place, and all that, but I just felt like it needed said. Back to the task at hand, nailing a wolf.

let's get a lynch before the weekend so you all can see what's really going on here

Yes it is. I thought I had a pretty good quip about that earlier -- basically, I'll save feeling all proud about dying later, but until then, I'm going to argue against lynching villagers.

I think some things are skewed in this game but the end result from following DT should give us a win, and if it doesn't .. we'll have been in trouble from the start.

i know. and i remember one game where alan was the same way because of his role that he was assigned and people got pissed at him.

all i can say is this: i am working with more information than the rest of the village has. in order to try to protect certain villagers (particularly in the absence of certain other roles) I am having to be less open than I normally would like, and having to be a bit smug and bullyish at times to try to preserve our advantages.

I do apologize if I came off smug. Some of it is stress at work too I'm sure. But some of it is just misunderstanding - take our :banghead: last night EF - that seems to have been mostly due to my poor writing up of my list and our miscommunication.

how's this - if pass is good i will reveal everything and become a "passenger" while you all drive the train the rest of the game?

That works for me. Go ahead.

Just kidding -- I'm actually fine with you keeping things secretive -- I already suspected you still are regarding NFG, and I said that's fine. I'm fine with you saying you have your reasons to trust him, but you really need to think about conversion and the fact that things have turned around completely on me just as I had really given us a huge advantage.

You know, I was pretty sure most of what happened late last night was because EF misunderstood your list and it blew out of proportion, but instead of assuming things I just let you two .. discuss.. it. :)

it is on my mind. i have thought about it.

however you have not been seer-scanned to date (seer and i have an established code in-thread to indicate results on all players), and thus your information is taken with a massive grain of salt.

whereas nfg is confirmed-good.

even if we lynch you and we're incorrect (because of a conversion) we are still able to add saldana to the CoT at that point, as well as lynch EagleFan. So it nets out being a 1:1 trade, plus we know NFG is converted at that point, so it becomes 2:1 in favor of the village.

i should add "2:1 in favor of the village plus we add villager to the CoT"

Remind me why pass being good means we lynch EF?

Right, I remember, the soothsayer things. That seems like so long ago.

*thing

because pass says EF is a wolf.

(well okay, pass said he soothsayered a statement of EF and then immediately after getting the results did a 2-word "vote eaglefan" post)

lol...twists and turns in this game for sure.

i acknowledge that. however every twist and turn is increasing my information and making it that much harder for the wolves to hide.

Sorry, it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep all the facts and reveals of information in order, I probably should be keeping a text file or something.