Stop pussyfooting around and vote for me already.

Now who's defensive?

So if you didn't like either candidate, why didn't you vote for a third one? Why did you wait around for so long until someone else did?

basically yes. I couldn't decide and then there were votes for someone i didn't trust, so I jumped on board!

also, look at the payoff if it worked...PB would be dead, EF would be semi-trusted because he had been criticized, and Lathum would have been able to plead some cock'n bull story about having to vote that way because of his role, which would have been completely impossible to confirm. (which is actually what he is doing right now)

and we prefer Hetero Life Mates

there is a cunning wolf in this game, isnt there?

you know damn well your mere existence invites a seer scan! (look, and exclamation point:p )

I'm asking why you didn't vote for a third player early -- when you always prefer to vote. If you didn't like either candidate, waiting only makes it even tougher for you to decide. Why didn't you put a vote on a candidate that you were more suspicious of early?

Lathum, you have just finished the one scenario where I can see you making this play - because you are a cunning wolf and will show up good on the scan.

Of course, I do not think that you really need to do this. You probably get scanned early enough on your own without any antics. Which is why I've more or less dismissed this scenario. But that is the only way that I can see your Day 2 play making any sense as a wolf. Low probability; pretty much discarded. I'll worry about it later in the game if we have a seer emerge with a trust list that includes you on it.

Because I couldnt decide. there is a difference between preferring to vote early, and voting early for the sake of it.

i had a reason to vote ealry day 2, turned out not to work, so I unvoted. cest la vie.

just try to keep your railroading on track here pass.

Why do you keep calling it railroading? What am I 'railroading' you into?

ummm, are you on crack? Lets say I am a wolf.

PB does get lynched, then everyone looks at me as the catalyst, lynches me the next day, then comes to the conclusion that I was protecting EF and lynch him.

Right, would have worked out awesome!

I can't help but think of the people who are trying to get me lynched today their is at least one wolf who is trying to get me killed out of reputation and for fear of the mechanic that was triggered for my role.

If you are so convinced then vote me, but there is zero chance I am lynched today.

bah, your attacking me for nothing, trying to make me look suspicious. yet your failing to do a very good job of it. since your not hitting anything legitimate. just vote for me and we can go back to wachign for lathum and schmity to go to town in the other thread

Hoops, I was leaning towards a lerriuqs vote myself...i dont know anything about him, so it is tough to get a read...that of course is compounded by the fact that he has said next to nothing until his post this morning about not understanding what is going on....that reeks of New Wolf Smell to me

this will probably be enough for me unless i talk myself into lathum

dun dun dun!

well then you kind of prove the point that I don't need to pull crazy shenanigens to get scanned.

idk - was backwards squirrel on all those lists as well?

my head hurts

and you had been preparing your defense for PB's death the entire day...you could easily have gotten out of it, and dont pretend you dont think you couldnt...you have gotten out of way worse.

but again, why?

You and hoops have both said I would be scanned early based on reputation, there were others on the chopping block so why make that play?

If you are so convinced then please, vote me.

but getting scanned by the seer doesnt do you any good against the lynch unless the seer comes to your defense!

a public display that gets you on the trust lists is 10 times better than a seer scan because it is just that. Public.

see above post

as do me and mine

C'mon guys, you need to post more. I still have the most posts AND the most swear words.

well, none of us have been on the block for 3 consecutive days :)

do you really think I though my play day 2 would get me on any trust list?

Then you aren't trying hard enough.

<-------returns to being dead.

has anyone voted for you on day 3 or 4 (yet)

And just after PB throws down the posting gauntlet I'm going to have to pull back a little bit. I'm going to have company onsite at my client, which means less latitude to contribute to our merry little discussion.

boo

Eh - I'll still be active right until that guy arrives. And for some kind of window after work and before deadline. Just not able to respond quite as efficiently as the last couple of days.

no, but that has zero to do with my play and everything to do with the fact there are people with far worse voting records, people like you I might add, whose voting record is piss poor.

You are forcing this way to much.

lolerskates

No wonder we are all nuts with a moderator like this guy.

Wow

wow what?

I'm not attacking you. I'm just asking you questions. You're the one getting defensive about it, to the point where you've voted me. What makes you think I'm a wolf?

The fact that you are harping on me endlessly about nothing.... ur lathuming me :)

Voting for him, at least early in the day, may have been a Needie risk that was worth it. I dobut that any voted for him late when they had a perfectly viable villager running mate though.

And while voting for him might have been worth it, building the case against him in the morning when nobody was considering voting him would definitely not be worth it. I don't think there was any sense that EF was destined to be lynched or scanned at that point.

Again, I'm not harping. I'm just asking questions. For example, the most recent question you ignored is the one where I asked what it is that makes you think I'm a wolf. Why does my asking you questions upset you so much?

? well you asked why i thought you were a wolf, and I answered that you are lathuming me, for no reason. were you asking me legit questions it would be a differnt story, but your just bla bla blaing.

What makes a question not "legit"? And I know that lathuming is a fun buzzword and all that, but can you be a little more specific about what it is you're accusing me of doing? Because what I recall as 'lathuming' is a lot different from what I'm doing.

Yay! I just finished my last assignment for the semester. A take home case study final. Had to come up with a program of interventions and instructional strategies for specific cases. Now I am off for a whole week before the next session starts :rolleyes:

Also, I will be going out of town on Saturday morning until Tuesday evening. This means, the Friday deadline will be that night and that I will not be around to answer questions / entertain all of you on Tuesday. I will be back to process the deadline, though it might be a little late.

Oh, I get it. This was supposed to be an answer to my question of why you thought I was a wolf. I get it. So if I'm "lathuming" you, even though I don't think I've done anything of the sort, why am I doing it to you, right now? Are there candidates out there I'm trying to save? Does anyone even have any votes on them?

Votes as of post #2143:

1 - Telle - Poli (1981)
2 - Lerriuqs - Autumn (2021), hoopsguy (2057)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)

I thought Danny was the therapist? :p

A good therapist asks as few questions as necessary!

harping endlessly about meaningless things. is that detailed enouhg for you? :P

Either you're simply trying to use "lathuming" as a generic insult, or you just don't know what it means. Anyway, why would "harping endlessly about meaningless things" make someone a wolf? And why do you consider the way people vote to be meaningless?

so we should look for people who voted early on EF and didn't provide a reason OR people who voted late on PB

and we should cross-reference that with the other day's results...

I think we should only look at early EF voters if they weren't around later. Not that I'm sure if we can figure that out, but I can't see a wolf leaving their vote there the way the voting turned out.

easy enuf to look for early voters who didn't change and then look back to see if they were around or challenge them...

or wait - i guess we'd look for ones that did change, or early voters that weren't active that day.

Well, you were an early EF vote. Were you around later?

And how about you, DT, since you're in the thread atm.

Are you talking about Day 2? The early voters on EF were saldana, MartinD, and PackerFanatic -- maybe me and PB? And I don't think there really are late votes on PB.

Thanks, I missed Alan and Autumn. hoops's vote guide just calls him a '2nd candidate'

And if we're looking at the people who voted on EF early and moved it later, you're probably looking at saldana and me.

Grr, I missed DT, too. Stupid hoops and his use of flavor instead of just the facts.

i hardly think i am forcing anything...go back and look at my first post on this topic...i said i am not even sure i buy my own theory...the fact that you are getting so bent about it when i havent even voted for you (in fact i have said i will probably not be voting for you) is doing nothing but drawing attention to yourself, and making me wonder if i might have stumbled onto something.

Catching up, looks like I got 4 pages to get through.

vote lerriuqs or whatever the heck his name is.

how about me?

That sounds familiar.

I certainly was on off and on all day, and it only confirmed my early suspicions and votes.

I really think we've got better hunting looking at the PurdueBrad voters. With EagleFan on the chopping block all day, but having a viable alternate candidate, how would the wolves not have flooded that vote?

Autumn, I think you are right that there are likely to be more wolves on EF than on PB. I'll be pretty surprised if it is all/none, but percentages would suggest that they would want to save their own.

Do you feel that someone has hijacked the conversation away from this? I haven't been in the thread as much over the past hour, but from what I can tell on the votes it seems like people are still looking at PB voters from Day 2 overall.

What do you guys think of Poli?

1199 - Poli votes PB (misses chance to vote for known wolf, puts PB in lead, but will move again at deadline)
1261 - Poli unvotes PB, follows on Telle (2nd vote change, neither on EF, but unvote on PB puts EF at more risk)
1318 - Poli unvotes Telle, votes EF (deadline snipe, probably open for interpreation)

If I recall, that 1318 vote was right at deadline, to 'make sure' that EF was lynched, but the wolves probably knew he was out anyway. Could it be that the run on Telle gave him some cover to switch votes, when a switch from PB to EF would have been looked at as strange otherwise? Also of interest is that Poli's was the only vote actually removed from PB as a result of the Telle run. Participating was:

Pass -- forgets to unvote EF, keeping his vote there
PB -- unvotes EF
Poli -- unvotes PB, but then votes EF at the very end
BK -- unvotes hoops (he voted for hoops after the Telle run started, if that means anything)
clap -- had not placed vote yet (of course, discussing clap's voting pattern is meaningless)

so i guess we look at voters for PB once PB had passed EF in the voting by 2 votes? because i don't think a wolf would have been the one to put PB up over EF, but after that happened they could have hopped onto PB

so leaving out the last say...5-10 minutes (depending on how many votes were laid down for the first time there and how much of that was switching -- we can examine that 5-10 mins later though), who were the people who put votes on PB once PB had at least a one-vote lead on EF?

Didn't PB pass EF in the voting right away?

I definitely am not sure about the Poli vote. It was icing on the cake, so could be a wolf ploy. But they couldn't really know if there would be any more movement, so seems rather risky.

idk - i don't have a vote history up and handy

i prefer to think on the more theoretical level and let someone else do the dirty work. i'm a thinker, not a doer.

Sorry, I thought you were saying it like you remembered what happened.

I'd have to look back to see how the conversation is getting steered. I was responding to Telle who seemed to be suggesting that. Lathum mentioned a wolf possibly being among EF voters. And the rest of the day there has been some discussion of new targets. I definitely expect the wolves to encourage that but it seems clear the villagers should stick on EF voters for now. We must have at least three wolves among that crowd and looking else where would be a needless distraction.

It sounds like the people that fit your criteria are DT, hoops, clap, and dubb.

Lerriuqs lack of action is troublesome. Just did a search for his posts in this thread to see what the action on him was all about. He only has a total of 6 posts that met my search results since the game has actually started. That is crazy.

846/875 - both Clap and Dubb unvote PB, bringing the margin back down from 5-0 to 3-0

--looks good for these 2

951 - Alan throws out 2nd candidate, who turns out to be a wolf
969 - Autumn backs Alan on 2nd candidate
971 - DT changes horses, tying it back up 3-3

--looks good for these 3 as well. No way I tie it up 3-3 so early in the day there if I'm a wolf. If I was a wolf I'd have to go PB and make it 4-2 and try to swing the momentum, otherwise I risk being trapped on that vote all day because it was so early and so visible.

985 - BK votes me, introducing 3rd candidate (more noteworthy because he had a bad vote the previous day, not his last vote on this day)
1016 - Pass follows BK on me (same logic as BK, 2nd bad vote for him, not his last vote)
1017 - PB follows on me (once again foregoing an opportunity to vote for EF, tally is now 4-3-2 EF/Me/PB)

--These were just all weird votes.

1120 - BK unvotes Hoops, votes PB (again missing a chance to vote for a known wolf, not done moving yet)

--This was like the height of weird if you ask me. BK looks very bad.


The stuff closer to deadline than that is making my head spin.

Pass, that list is a fail. I unvoted PB in post 1002 (making it EF 3 - PB2), not 874/875 with Clap. It also leaves out my vote in post 1014 which made it EF 4 - PB 2.

backwards squirrel rocketing up the charts - only 6 posts?

it's cool dubb - don't think you're high on my list of potential baddies anyways

Here's what DT asked for. Did I give him something different than that?

I guess you'll have to take it up with hoops, since he made the list.

Since the game started yes. He had one more actually signing up for the game but it didn't meet my search.

That makes me wonder what exactly hoops is doing with all of these lists.

This is the second time this game that hoops has done this shit to me. The first time was on day two when he misquoted me, now he messes up my post numbers, tries to lump me in with Clap and leaves out my vote for EF in a list.

Vote Hoops

you have harped all day on it. You mentioned you think a smart wolf is pulling some strings, you certainly fall under that catergory as well.

Not really sure how I am getting bent, I am merely responding to your claims, but if you feel the need to vote me please by all means do, your voting record stinks already, why stop now?

wow.

I can get behind a vote for him considering a quite villager doesn't really help us much.

Saldana is trying to.

Getting cauight up

I agree that on day 4, to not even have your post number in the double digits is troubling.

Vote lerriuqs

What's the problem with "hijacking" the conversation away from the fact that there neither all nor none of the wolves are on EF? Since some are there, and some are not, I don't think this line of thinking helps us -- and asking who is hijacking us away from it makes me think you're trying to get us to focus on it in an attempt to keep us confused.


VOTE HOOPSGUY

I'm not exactly one to talk, as my post count isn't all that much higher, but lerriuqs does seem to have been abnormally quiet during this game.

I'm not going to put my vote his way now, but I'm definitely leaning that way unless either he comes on with a good reason/explanation, or there's a very good reason for me to vote for someone else.

but you're also in Scotland Martin - so you get a pass because we assume you're out drinking and eating haggis 24/7 and just can't be bothered to post. which is cool.

+1

Part of me is wondering if Hoops and Saldana introduced the line of questioning about me to distract us from other candidates.

They both know I would respond to them, maybe in a, passionate, way.

I don't drink and don't like haggis - would I be right in thinking that this means I'm going to get lynched? ;) :lol:

u dont drink?

hmmm

I thought MartinD was this guy













but he is really this guy

No - saw too many people make a complete fool of themselves one night then be too hung over to do anything the next day when I was in my late teens/early twenties to think that it was something I wanted to do.

HAHAHAHA :D

Never had haggis and probably never would be able to stomach it so i can't say i blame you there, but on behalf of my scottish side (grandma was 100% graham), I am saddened by this.