We are at 8 - 5 now.

7-5 or 8-4 depending on where you count the cultist. I'm glad I got into the new game because this one sucks.

We can't let them shut us out...I think we have been close but going off on too many tangents (and then crazy-ass deadline vote changes too)

Must have miscounted somewhere, I thought we only had 14 people left going into today's vote?

Ok so we go through yet another day, either way, methinks we're screwed.

Ah good point, forgot about the cultist.

I clearly cannot count.

*shuts up*

Yes; but I require a unanimous nightfall. All twelve remaining players would have to vote nightfall.

VOTE MCCOLLINS

VOTE NIGHTFALL


not that I think the rest of the wolves will join in this for an instant.

VOTE MCCOLLINS
VOTE NIGHTFALL

What exactly is the case against mccollins?

I really thought both Pass and Mccollins were bad. I'm on board with Mccollins now because we can't afford to lynch another villager.

Vote Mccollins
Vote Nightfall


That said, its obvious this was going to be the vote today. I wouldn't be surprised if the wolves were some of the first ones to make this play.

Trying to end the game for your wolf friends so you can focus on the new game?

vote mccollins

vote nightfall


We were this close to getting a wolf!!!! Then people tried to get tricky!!! We need to look at PF and some other late changes for certain!!!

Luckily, some people only get on later.
We still have time to stem this incorrect tide!
Seriously, the village really needs to keep me around til the end.

I think we need to look at you - you were unstoppable going after oliegirl!

I mis-spoke once and then I've been on the chopping block two days in a row.

UNVOTE MCCOLLINS
UNVOTE NIGHTFALL

I really want to see what happens tonight when the rest of the peeps get in.

I'm going to stick with my theory on Danny. 'Cause either there was not a single wolf jumping on the lynch-Lathum bandwagon or he's a wolf. And I think that's a lot closer to being concrete than anything we have on mccollins.

VOTE DANNY

Let me try this AGAIN:

Vote mccollins
Vote Nightfall

Since it doesn't matter now, I am the Philosopher. I scanned Eaglefan last night, and he is the Cultist.

And the cultist knows who the wolves are and EagleFan keeps pushing for a vote on mccollins so shouldn't that most likely mean that mccollins is not a good target for us?

I really do not like this vote at all! Nobody had voted Danny, pressure was on three players, Pass, Eaglefan and PF and you choose to vote for somebody else? That is extremely wolfish...

I think most people have accepted that I'm a villager. So either you're just not getting it or you're a wolf trying to cause trouble.

And as for my vote on Danny, I'm rather confident that he's a wolf and was hoping to get more people to see things my way and it was still plenty early for votes to get moved around.

Ooooh trying to turn the pages in the last couple of hours eh? Getting desperate wolfie?

Oh shit.... :mad: I really thought I had him.

I didn't say you were a wolf, i said it was wolfish, as in a bad move. I didn't want to come right out and say I thought it was a bad move though, so i said wolfish instead.

And danny very well could be a wolf, i am not denying it, but voting for him there seemed a little out of the ordinary

I really dont understand what the cultist does...

And do we not have a list of all the player and who died and what their roles are?

It's under the spoiler tag in the first post.

First page.

And I am not sure what exactly the purpose of the cultist is either. Basically a fake villager who is really a wolf sorta thing.

cool! that explains alot!

Exactly! EagleFan helped lead the charge on both Olie and me!

Seriously.

It absolutely matters!! We've finally nabbed one of the actual 5 wolves!

but i thought he counts as a villager....

And can we trust schmidty?

I would rather kill mccollins i think

The cultist counts as a villager but wins with the wolves. So we're best off keeping EagleFan around for numbers sake but ignoring him.

And so long as there is no counter-reveal I think it makes sense to go ahead and trust Schmidty.

well there are 5 wolves that hoops picked, so i guess the cultist counts as one of them


The question is, do we trust schmidty? He could be a wolf trying to confuse us (which we have learned is not that hard)

I think everybody agreed the masons are Telle and Render, but that leaves 6 more villagers... I know I am a villager and i am pretty sure GE is too. I have played a few games with him as a wolf and he generally gets more into it than he has this game.... The other four villagers I have no idea.

Seems everybody thinks EF and MC are wolves, but I think we are forgetting about CR as a very high wolf suspect.

PF I have no idea about, MRs Schmidty I thought was a potential wolf early on.



Can anybody dispute Schmidty's claim to be a philosopher?

I'll wait to place my actual vote, but for now this is the first wolf we've found on real evidence rather than just 'gut feelings' that have all been wrong so far.

What I meant by saying it doesn't matter, is that I can reveal without worry, since the wolves already know that I'm a villager, and now that I found the Cultist, I have no special ability, which removes me as a good wolf target.

Ignore Schmidty and his fake reveal. If I was the cultists wouldnlt I have been a vote on one of the parade of villagers we have been incorrectly lynching. I would have been trying to get Telle and Pass lynched. Maybe that was Schmidty's was of letting the wolves know that he is the cultist.

Either way we nail mccollins and get one set of fangs out of the way.

Everyone repeat after me...

vote mccollins and vote nightfall

We nail a furry one with that approach.

Again, the only thing on me is one dumb mis-statement.

As long as Schmidty is telling the truth then EagleFan is our first VERIFIED wolf.

dola, st.cronin said he only accepts a unanimous nightfalls and I'm not voting nightfall. We have until 3pm ET tomorrow to get this right.

Well, I'm going to say this - I know that you're the Cultist.

The fact that you are pushing to vote for mccollins means two things:

A) mccollins really isn't a wolf

or

B) He's the Brutal Wolf.

Right now I'm 50/50 on this.

In fact:

Unvote mccollins
Unvote nightfall

Personally I'm fine with mccollins, danny or PF for the next vote. Or Schmidty for that matter with his fake reveal.

It seems pretty obvious that we are onto a wolf and Schmidty is the cultist trying to gain favor with his fellow wolves by his fake reveal. He tries to take us away from a wolf to get another villager lynch and hopes he can be converted afterwards. With his fake reveal he hopes that everyone believes I was converted so you lynch me and it's game over as the wolves win at that point.


If it's 8-4 now, we'll either be up 8-3 if you go with mccollins (barring he is not the brutal) or we'll only be up 7-4 if you let yourselves get talked out of mccollins.

Schmidty gets converted to make it 6-5. If everyone believes him you assume I was converted and lynch me for a 5-5 wolf win and a shutout.

You go with mccollins and it's 8-3. If Schmidty gets converted that night it's still 7-4 and as long as you don't fall for his line of thinking that I am the cultist and therefore converted we still have a chance.

Look at my track record. I was wrong on oliegirl but so were many people as her olierage looked awfully wolfish. We are not wrong on mccollins. His recent actions look just like that of a wolf who is cornered and trying everything he can to get out of it.

vote mcollins and vote nightfall. You'll see the wolves as the only ones left who won't do it.

Slip up there? Nowhere in the rules does it say the cultist will know the roles of the wolves, it just says the cultist will know who they are. I guess you were told their roles in the PM you received at the beginning of the game.

You are really trying to set me up for this one. I guess you know mccollins is the brutal so you left this post as another attempt to frame me?

Where is the C option of mccollins is a wolf or the D option that he is the cunning?

Dude, you've been quiet all game and now are trying to frame me, that just sucks.

Either way, I'll be able to scan you tomorrow night to see if you are the cultist.

This statement is the silliest, and blatantly statement I've seen in WW. It doesn't even have any reasoning behind it.

Ask anyone that knows my style. I am quiet in the Beginning Game, pretty quiet in the Middle Game, and more vocal in the End Game. Every time. Especially if I have a role.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. You are the cultist. Lynching you would be pointless, since you can't attack, and have zero powers. There are bigger fish to fry. :)

I am more convinced than ever that mccollins is the Brutal Wolf because of Eaglefan's desperate push toward his lynching. One for one villager is very enticing to the wolves, I'm sure, especially with the numbers the way they are.

If I was the cultist how would I know if mccollins is the brutal? Read the rules, the cultist will know who they are. It says nothing about knowing their roles. You keep slipping on that one. I guess your PM telling you your cultist role also told you the roles?

You left your tell hanging out.

You're conveniently "revealing" yourself quickly after I reveal that he is the cultist. He gives no backing at all to his fake claim (voting, etc.), and gives a desperate last ditch effort to save his skin, or more likely, get the Brutal Wolf lynched.

Regardless, anyone who knows me, realizes that I am telling the truth. If I were a Wolf, why in the blue hell would I stop being undercover, just to reveal the powerless (after reveal) Philosipher?

I'm not going to beg for my life or be sneaky. Believe me or don't. I can't do anything other than what I've done.

Reasoning behind it it simple. I obviously have no problem with going after mccollins. As for Danny, Telle is in my CoT so I trust her read on that. PF has been pinging my wolf radar a lot lately so I have no problem there, he was the next one I was voting for. Now you with your fake reveal puts you on the list.

It's pretty easy logic to follow but as either the cultist or a wolf you obviously want to try to twist things around.

True. I misread the rules. Not surprising considering the fact that I'm quite lazy, and miss lots of details.

I'm done. Lynch me or don't. I still won't vote for you because you are powerless. I know you are the Cultist, and I know that you are willing sacrifice one of your own, regardless of role to secure the Wolves victory even further.

Why wouldn't I reveal at this point? You make a false claim and people begin to belive it. My role is pretty useless so why not reveal. If the wolves kill me tomorrow night it will be obvious what is happening so there is no risk in my revealing that this point.

As for why would you reveal? It's obvious as I pointed out in my earlier post. You get the vote off mccollins to a villager and then it's pretty much game over as the wolves can coast to victory. The wolves have not had to make any moves yet this game so of course this would be the first big one.

So why aren't you pushing for me, a supposed Wolf, instead of mccollins, who you CANNOT confirm. If you KNOW that I'm a wolf, why take the risk? Logic will prevail.

The defense rests. He's either furry or the cultist. I'll let you know which if I survive tomorrow night. Either way we need to land a wolf tomorrow.

Logic will prevail. If you are the cultist you want us to push for you. I never said that I know you are a wolf. You are either a wolf or the cultist. One of those hurts us to lynch. mccollins has proven wolfish and your fake reveal makes me certain of his status.

WAIT a fricking minute. It doesn't say that you know the Wolves roles, but it also doesn't say that you DON'T know the Wolves roles.

Meh. You're the Cultist. I don't know what else to say. The Villagers can kill me, and lose yet another one of their kind, or they can look at logic, and look at your desperation, and realize I'm telling the truth.

Anyway. I'm done. It's my birthday, and want to eat my ribeye.

I'm telling the truth. Believe me or don't

I'm not sure what to think, but Happy birthday Schmidy

That's my point. It doesn't say the cultists know roles yet you keep saying they do. The only way you could know that is if your PM told you the roles.

Desperate ploy? Of the two groups right now; villagers or wolfs plus cultist; who needs a desperate ploy right now? By you accusing me of one it is obvious that you know which side I am on and it's the only side in need of a desperate ploy right now.

You are clearly trying to tell the wolves that you are the cultist by offering yourself up as a target to be killed.

Oh, happy birthday Schmidty!!!

As of post 2163:

5McCollins: Claphamsa (2098), RendeR (2108), Danny (2111), EagleFan (2113), LoneStarGirl (2151)
1 Danny: Telle (2118)

4 Nightfall: Claphamsa (2098), Render (2108), Danny (2111), EagleFan (2113)

VOTE MCCOLLINS
VOTE NIGHTFALL

Our luck has got to be changing.

The rules mention nothing of conversions.


You're really grasping at straws EagleFan.


I guess by this point you realized that you had forgotten to fake counter-reveal.

+1

Exactly - he's using mis-informing assumptions to get the vote off of him because you scanned him as a wolf.

lol, already explained. Just accept your lynching wolf!!!

Dude, get your facts straight. No wolf logic twisting here. He claimed to scan me as a cultist, not a wolf. You should know I'm not a wolf as I'm not in your list of PM's.

I am liking this game. It's much like my first game ever where we got off to a lousy start and once I figured out who were some of the wolves I was able to have a little fun with them before the lynch.

Unfortunately st.cronin talked me into not voting for him in the fial day and we ended up losing... :(

More lies. You accept the fact that you are our first scanned wolf.
The cultist is plainly listed as a wolf role. Or can you not accept the fact that you have fur?

Again I say, the village needs to keep me around until the end.

EagleFan pushed the village to lynch Olie - don't let him kill another villager!

You keep talking about how a villager will die if you are lynched. Are you admitting that you are the brutal?

We'll see when your fur shows up at the lynching.

Right now it's time to take a look at who the next wolf is. I am not liking PF's late vote switch that helped seal Pass' fate. I obviously don't like Schmidty's fake reveal but we'll know tomorrow if he is cultist or wolf. Unfortunately from there I am not completely sure. Telle suspects Danny and is in my CoT so that is worth looking into. clap may be worth looking into as well, why would the wolves let him stay around his long?

Hell, only Telle is in my CoT at this point with alan t out of the picture now so it's going to take some research and luck.

You keep magically twisting my words. Allowing you to push through the lynch of a second villager (first oliegirl, now me) is what I'm forewarning the rest of the village about.

I find it quite odd that after Schmidty revealed as the Philosopher that you magically had the same role of Philosopher. With 12 people remaining in the village.

One more thng. Explain post 2120 where Schmidty votes mccollins and nightfall. Then turns around and comes up with his fake reveal.

If he scanned me as the cultist then why would he make that vote?

mccollins is a wolf, PF may be a wolf, Schmidty is either a wolf or the cultist.

I think we are finally catching a break.


What makes the most sense is that mccollins may be the cunning and Schmidty is trying a ploy to save him (either as a wolf or as a cultist whom only Schmidty has hinted that the cultist knows the wolves' roles).

Don't let mccollins and his furry friends shut us out. Make the right vote!!!

Right now, I am not inclined to be humored because this got a villager killed. But on one significant level, this is pure, pathetic comedy.

(And only raised even higher knowing Alan is a villager).

This can't be true. cronin's a wolf. :banghead:

This surprises me--not. This is the sort of thing I have been seeing for a couple days now. Of course, killing the cultist does us no real good. It just means we have someone to ignore. That's assuming Schmidty is telling the truth--far from a safe assumption, although at this point in the thread, I am inclined to believe him.

I would be curious to see you expand on this (and forgive me if you already did in the past). I haven't really felt too strongly about my reads on him, so if you have a good take, I would like to hear it.

I still don't understand why mccollins is a target. I believe a case has been asked for several times, but no one voting for him will come up with one.

:shrugs:

I may be wrong, but we have been 100% wrong on every "gut" feel so far this game. In my mind, Telle is the only cleared player left. And she's voting Danny.

Good enough for me.

VOTE DANNY

Telle:

I went ahead and voted, since I have to check out for the night, but I would still be interested to hear you expand on this. At least I know it's not coming from a liar.

How exactly is she cleared?

Another misguided vote. Thankfully it shouldn't matter and Mccollins will still get the lynch.

Well, she isn't 100% cleared like Alan. But she might as well be. Render's actions make the most sense if she is a Mason. She was on the list determining oliegirl was the lynch choice two days ago. Pass, a villager, claimed she was a Mason. No one has denied this--the real Masons would counter this if she were not a Mason and reveal her (likely) as a wolf.

IMO, that's a ton of circumstantial evidence to ignore if you're going to think she is not a Mason. And if she is a Mason, she's on the side of the village. And that's cleared.

She was also scanned as good by Lathum, who may have been the real seer (guess we won't know that until the end of the game, though).

Pass. revealed last Friday that she's a mason. She's the only person we have in a real CoT.

No. If Cronin's rules are to be believed, they would be killed for doing this.

I have a feeling, and I'm not voting for the brutal wolf or the useless Cultist (no offense, so:

Vote LoneStarGirl

Vote LoneStarGirl

bold it :)

any reasons why?

vote nightfall

If you look at the people that voted for Lathum on Day 1, there are only three that are not now dead villagers. Myself, RendeR, and Danny. I simply cannot believe that there was not one wolf in on that vote. At this point most people trust me, and by corollary trust RendeR. So that leaves Danny.

Also his play is kind of pinging me. He's not contributing much, but has a tidy explanation with each vote. It just really reminds me of what I end up doing when I'm a wolf.

Just to clear up something EagleFan was trying to muddy the waters with.

And just so we're clear on the cultist..

Just a gut feeling, and the fact that you kind of did a pile-on vote of mccollins. If my theory of him being the brutal wolf is true, the vote makes sense. And you didn't post a reason in your vote post either.

I might be wrong, but a vote for you is likely better than a vote for mccollins.

Saying someone is NOT a Mason is quite a bit different than saying you are one.

My vote for Pass yesterday was the 2nd vote for him (and was actually made on Monday afternoon) I never switched and stayed on Pass.

Yes, but I interpreted you to mean a full counter: "That person can't be a mason because I'm a mason!"

Anyways, Telle all but officially outed RendeR just now. It was just an assumption up to this point.

UNVOTE MCCOLLINS
UNVOTE NIGHTFALL


VOTE DANNY

I think Telle is on to something.

Vote EagleFan

Vote count please.