CR, a response in light of this info?

I have received a pm from stcronin stating that he forgot to send me a night action pm. Bulbus Senna visited me last night and was rather boring. He wanted to talk politics of Rome and is writing some sort of text.

Chubby checked in earlier.

quoted for absurdity

Nevermind. Your taunting knows no end, cronin.

Unfortunately no allegiance, only that there was no evidence of wrongdoing... that's it.

Ehh... Grammaticus, Anxiety and Ardent skipped over this. I don't see why the wealthiest or counsel wouldn't go with this idea. I am willing to go to jail to prove my innocence, why not anyone else? Once my innocence is proven, then I will no longer bid for Ardent or whoever else becomes lawyer, so the other wealthy can bid for him and prove their innocence. If the counsel doesn't go with this, then I will have to doubt his allegiance to the Republic.

Hello... anyone? Is this thing on?

If you're talking about st. cronin's order of process, then I go back to my original point. At least a Tarq doesn't get it.

Hey, good point, DC. Might brave of you, I might add.

The problem I have with that is how long it takes and how many variables there are. My plan has one variable for the rich--will they get killed before they use their service? They will pretty much get what they bid for and use it the next day. And the wolves can't kill everyone who hires a critical service. They would have to pick and choose. And doing so leaves out lawyers, consuls, tribunes and high profile analysis people like myself as targets, too. And the plan guarantees the wolves don't get the sword killer, short of a Tarq being involved in the process (and thus revealing themselves).

This plan of arresting the wealthy and scanning them, wastes a day with an arrest for the good, and the Tarq numbers are too small in relation to justify the one in five times we nab a Tarq (and that also assumes a Tarq qould go along with it, which I am guessing they wouldn't). First you would have to arrest them. Then you have to scan them AND re-arrest them because you won't get the scan results before they have to be voted on. Then one in five chances you have a Tarq, and the second day's vote is easy, but more likely you have a good Senator taking up a jail spot. Oh yeah, and for two days they can't help get services. And even if you get the scan, the person buying the service and doing the scan has to be believed to be loyal as well.

And we've seen that there are several ways to disrupt a scan between the sex slaves sent at ardent and the arresting of Neon.

Oh and btw if I'm never seen or heard from again, tell the police that hoopsguy did it :)

I don't know what in the world you are talking about, Barkeep :eek::cool:

My Top Suspects Right Now

• Dodgerchick - She has been numero uno suspect for me from Day 2. With the exception of the night she sent the sex slaves at me, which I would point out is the only night I have been prevented from obtaining a service that would help the village, her other service wins are not verifiable. I find it curious that the day after she claims AlanT is good through a scan he gets poisoned. AlanT always provides very good analysis, but he wasn't going to be winning any service any time soon. It struck me almost as a "See, Dodgerchick was telling the truth!" kinda deal, but as a wolf she knows who is good and bad anyway.
  
  Considering that she is the richest person in Rome her utter and complete refusal to aid the village is frustrating and damning to me. EVEN IF she didn't want to follow other people's advice on what service would be best to bid on, it seems clear to me that the best way to aid the village is to prevent a daily freaking kill. Also, given that it is so clear the power she wields with her wealth why is she still alive? Surely the wolves know that she could have any service she wants on a given day. I think at this point she would be their main target but yet she is still quite alive.
• Chubby/LonestarGirl - Strong hunch. I provided an analysis last night regarding Chubby and Passus. After reviewing Passus' most recent posts I feel better about him, and am leaning towards executing Chubby tonight.
• Neon Chaos - Quiet as a mouse until he became 2nd best lawyer yesterday. Has posted much more in the past day, but has yet to provide a single bit of real useful analysis. Claims to have read 25 pages of completely useless information at one point - doesn't comment at all on it and just votes without real explanation. (post #1250) Also tried to vote Dodgerchick as Consul the other day, of who I am very suspicious.

Strong Distrust

• Daddytorgo
• Ardent
  
  These two have made it here just from what I can observe of their interactions with other players. At one point on Thursday at DaddyTorgo came on and posted at 5:56 PM that he had been out all day and "wondered what he had missed". 4 minutes later he has elected Hoopsguy as Consul, and two more minutes later he voted Narcizo as Consul. I feel good about both of those players, but damn...6 minutes to catch up and feel good enough about who you are going to put in power? This starts on post #1341 for anyone that wants to check.
  
  Ardent just seems to be babbling to me, and in general clogging the thread up. I found it strange this morning that I once again questioned why the top players weren't targeting the service that would best aid the village. He then peppered of like 6 posts in a row until the thread hit the next page. All of his thoughts could have easily fit into one post. Almost felt like he was trying to bury my post.

One player that I am finally starting to feel good about is Coffee Warlord. When I was taking a look at him I realized something regarding his use of the lawyer when he was arrested.


From the Rules:
- to defend yourself from an accusation of treason (this will be more effective if the player is, in fact, innocent)

Would the lawyers really give an impassioned defense of a man they knew was guilty, and change 75% of the votes against him?

so I havn't read it all...but it stands to reason that we should proceed like this I think:

top wealth person bids on the 2nd BG to protect the 2nd person
2nd person bids on the killer to direct them to kill someone
3rd person bids on the BG to protect the first person

given this yes, we could lose the 3rd person, so the person in the 2nd level of wealth that we trust ought to sue all the more poor people in order to move up to the 3rd place everyday.

ironhead: I agree with you about dodger. it's very weird she's done nothing.

as for my quick votes: everyone who has played with me in the past knows that I think Narcizio is a kickass villager. So when I saw he had votes for consul, that was pretty much a given that I'd vote for him.

And I don't have a strong distrust of hoops in this game, indeed from the very beginning I have agreed with him on strategies that have been beneficial to the village to follow, so a vote for him was slightly more thought than the narcizio one, but not one I really needed to think on.

the whole "lawyers+wealth+jail" thing has just completely tossed all my analyzing out the window

Have it your and Neon's way. I won't post again in this thread until tomorrow.

Spiteful dola:

This time tomorrow, heck, let's make it Monday.

so let's lynch ardent and then if neon is lying we lynch him. Either way, one of them is lying.

AE's Rome Thread
 

In this thread, AE can make all the comments he wants, without cluttering up the actual thread.

Neon_Chaos has bene pinging my radar all game long. I have no porblem voting for him.


Vote to "bump" Neon_Chaos

1. I am loyal to the Republic, and I was the 2nd best lawyer in Rome, according to St. Cronin.

2. Neon Chaos doesn't know jack. No clue = Neon Chaos.

3. Neither does ironhead. Ironhead, you're an iron head that is full of himself.

4. CR has done some good analysis.

5. Day 1, I bid on an ex-legionaire (name to be filled in when I look it up). I got him. I decided to protect myself.
Day 2: CW goes to jail. He's the only one. Swaggs is alive. Day 2 ends with CW freed, Swaggs dead. BulletSponge on the block. I tried, but failed, to hire the slaves.
Day 3: I am the new best lawyer. Schmidty is the #2. Ends with BS off the rock. I am the first to report that BS was good. It was later verified by Schmidty. ITC goes on the block. I tried again, to hire the slaves, and failed.
Day 4: Schmidty dies by the Tarqs. ITC goes on the rocks. Neon becomes the new lawyer. LSG goes on the block. I hired the horseguy Oceanus. I send a message to Hoops, but hoops dies before he gets it.
Day 5: LSG gets replaced by Chubby, but we still haven't heard much from him. LSG/Chubby get the pass. Neon and Chubby go to jail. I try to hire a legionaire, but end up with the male and female sex slaves at my door. While you might think life is grand, I grow tired of the people accusing me of trying to hide behind uninformative posts when in fact, DUH, I'm just bored.

6. I HAVE NEVER LIED IN THIS GAME. I HAVE NOT LIED IN THIS THREAD, EITHER.

7. I can't wait to sue EVERYONE. I'm hoping for some good info. Good thing that the lawsuits are heard before I could potentially go to jail.

8. Despite their questioning, I still feel Kwhit and CW are on the good side. I feel moderately the same about Barkeep and Narcizo. I also think highly of Autumn.

9. Here are how I feel about everyone left in this game (copied from the wealth page):
Abeus Anxietus - Not sure, and that worries me.
Dodgeus Erchickus - Good vibrations. The explosion actually reminds me of me.
Kayus Whitus - Good vibrations. At least he put in arrests.

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - Good vibrations. I liked early on how he seemed to question without abandon, but I don't think I've seen that as of late.
Ironus Headus - No clue. As in, I think he might be bad. I went back to see what crucial info he put out, and it was that he hired someone. Meh, followed by my vote for Consul and other posts by myself that weren't exactly filler, and I'd post again if need be.
Passus Caglius - Replacement player, pretty honest and I like that.
Pathus Twelvus - Still weary of him.

Autumnus Leavus - Seems to be very knowledgable. I like him.
Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus - I liked his reasoning for why his arrests weren't made. Not sure I like anything else.
Chiefus Rumus - Good info put out, and is kind of in the same boat with me. Not sure why the wolves haven't killed him yet.
Narcizus Lispus - Not sure how I feel about the Consul right now. At least he put in an arrest...and I like that he arrested Neon.
Peregrinus Barbarus - Not sure how I feel about him.

Chubbus Chubbus - LSG/Chubby. Not a fan of this disappearing act.
Daddyus Torgous - I noticed he went in right after me and suggested that I get thrown off the rock. Another a reference to me maybe having a chance to decide something. Get your head out of your butt. Listen to what I'm saying. I'm getting a strong Tarq feeling from him.
Grammus Atticus - No feel on him, kind of worries me. Reviewed all of his posts, not sure there's anything there.
Mustangus Sallus - No feel on him.
Neonus Chaosus - 90% sure I'm bad. Ha.
Tyrus Ithus - Same as path.


This post will be edited, since I can edit anything I want in my own thread. I will add more notes as I can. Currently I am watching television and will add notes as I think of them and during commercials. Given the current time, I may have to add some tomorrow.

This is more fun than I could imagine. :)

I was more or less going to argue this same thing when I read DC's post, but CR did it much better than I did, so I'll just show it again.

The problem I have with CR's plan is that it lets the Tarqs know exactly who has the Bodyguards. I don't particularly like that idea because I know that I am a prime target and the only reason I haven't been killed so far is the fact that I have $$ and therefore the Tarqs think I likely have a BG.

My general take on some people now, with me actually having a few more feelings now -

DC - That one post I talked about just previously makes me really feel bad about her. I haven't really gotten a good vibe from her at any point of the game, and I think we need to do something with her to determine her allegiance because her various scan things create some linkages we can actually work with. General unwillingness to cooperate seems like it's not going to help us too much. Probably the non-arrested person spiking the most alarms for me right now.

CR - Another person really important to our plan right now. I like your services plan, because it gets us all on one page at least, not letting the key services slip down. And if you yourself are bad it only really hurts us if one of the top wealth players are bad...and boom, you've created linkage that we can use to track down the rest of your team. However, what do we do if DC doesn't play ball? What's the backup plan for the swordsman?

Anxiety - The real unknown quantity so far. If he's bad, does he screw around with the plan tonight? This is where the number of wolves we have to deal with, or what they're trying to do, comes to mind. If there are 5 wolves out there and they have a standard win condition, they will probably need to off 10 more of us at least, because I don't see how we don't catch one in the resulting mess. That means we're still looking at four more days. At this point it doesn't seem worth it to me for Anxiety to play for hiring the swordsman and going murderface on us, even if it would take us quite a while to react due to the nature of the game. However, the potential for weirdness is still there.

Neon - While I somewhat agree with your assessment of the game as a whole, your analysis of the situation just doesn't make me happy, you haven't done anything to give me a good vibe and a couple of things to give me a bad one. Have a nice trip down...and if you're good...well, um...oops?

VOTE EXECUTE NEON CHAOS

BK mentioned earlier that CR is ineligible for consul -- is this true? If so, I would like to vote for him. Other guys I'd likely consider are KWhit (although that's a big target on his back then) because, at this point, if KWhit is bad we have many other problems, and Ironhead and Autumn because they've both been proving useful information and don't really have any doubts cast on them. I'd like to note though, and this goes as part of the KWhit thing, we probably don't want to elect consuls that are also among the highest wealth players if we can help it. Concentrating our trust and our money into a single, easily poisoned body just adds complications to what we are doing.

That is a bit of a problem...but at some point, we're going to have to take some risks and weigh some sacrifices. At this point, you're the player in the game I'd least like to see dead. However, we have to weigh that it's possible that you're already going to die today, and how bad it is if we screw up the swordsman and the sex slaves, and all that other stuff. We might have to choose between keeping the safety factor up and trying to make sure we take that other kill off the table. Now, I'm in a position to be caution to the wind here, so my perspective is a little different, and I understand your point, but leaving some people exposed could be better than the alternative choice of running into each other's bids.

No matter what I feel we HAVE to have SOME kind of coordination today. There's just too much of a need to have the sword killer, ardent, and ardent's new harem under our control all at once to not do it.

BTW, I'll probably bid for a horse guy again, just in case :)

I understand the benefits, but I don't like telegraphing our moves this way. Makes it too easy for a Tarq to at least get one valuable kill.

I don't have a better option at this point, though, so I'm not sure of the best course of action. I need to give this some more thought.

It's definitely a value judgment comparing whether or not we should leave open some obvious gaps or take our chances with a more randomized approach. Personally, I'm not really convinced that the difference between a valuable kill and an less valuable kill is such that it means we shouldn't go with the plan, but I'm not a likely target, so I can say such things.

Updated. Probably for the last time tonight. I can't wait for the lawsuits to hit.

When is the next deadline again?

Very funny, hater.

It's the Tyrith-Kwhit show! :)

Hey, at least I'm talking. For the first time all game I feel like I have at least a little to contribute.

What the fucking shit, if you guys don't trust me, FUCKING GET THIS SHIT OVER WITH AND ARREST ME! How much fucking clear is that?

Narcizo, goddammit, if you're of the village, arrest me so I can prove to these people, whom I'm starting to really feel are wolves that I'm fucking clean... clean as... fucking... something I dunno.

Just fucking do it, if you don't then I will have doubts of your allegiance. Do it goddamit... fucking do it.

Here are my smilies so you know I'm upset :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Hrm. This is either quite honest or incredibly brilliant. And if it's brilliant, it's sure as heck burning down a bridge.

You guys aren't reading shit... I fucking told you who I scanned and why... it's obviously going on deaf ears. I've never had this kind of power and I'm fucking clueless on how to use it. fuck, i should have been a regular villager. Goddamit :mad::mad:

Listen, I understand the frustration thing. My concern is around the concept of a scan. If you get a "no evidence of wrondoing" that is not good enough to say, that person is Republican and not Tarq.

It could be that person did not take an action that was against the village. It sounds like a combination of a Seer and Witness ability. Which makes some sense in the fact that there are generally two lawyers available each day. I doubt we get two straight up witness scans to what appears to be a wolf kill each day.

So, when you use a lawyer to check someone out and get no evidence of wrongoing, you likely did not scan someone taking an action or you have a chance of success based on the lawyer??

Either way the scans appear to be quite valuable.

Lol. :D

As I said, I'm horrible with analysis.

This statement is, unfortunately, so true. :)

Yo, people, lighten up. It's just a game.

DC, I don't know what the issue is, why you are reacting so strongly, but if this is how you feel you need to react to this, then let it loose. I don't miond someone getting emotional in a game like this, which can certainly fry the nerves.

So long as you make the right decision here. And I want you to feel you are making the right decision, not that you are being led to it. I know you can make these connections and see what is good for the village, but I also know (for me at least) that when a person lets emotion get the best of them, it's hard to think things through and make a well-reasoned decision.

Did you have a chance to go over my responses earlier today? It's not only in the best interest of the plan and the village for you to bid on the sword killer, it's also in your best interest. No one is telling you who to use the sword killer on. No one is asking you to trust anyone but yourself. If you believe the best way to keep loyal Senators alive is to put the sword killer in the hands of someone you trust, who better than yourself, whom you trust completely? You have the power to lock this role down for the village. There are only two others who can even dream of taking that away from you, and neither of them have been in the top wealth teir like you have the whole game.

I hope you will make the right decision because I won't be around to prod you for one tomorrow. I will be working at my night job and likely workijng out and/or sleeping most of the day Sunday. So this deadline is going to go down without me. It will be up to you. If you're on our side, I hope you'll see it our way.

I love you CR

Thanks for the support, Tyrith. Actually, I am not ineligible for the consul role, but I have taken myself out of the bidding. I am working both of my jobs on Monday and Tuesday (meaning I am incognito from around 10 a.m. to 1 a.m.--i.e., the next morning) and that's if I don't work out--and I almost certainly will (add on another hour at least). I don't think it's in the best interest of the village for me to take ont he consul role with me being out for that long. Plus, let's face it, I will very likely be dead soon.

My small group of candidates for consul currently are Ironhead, Autumn, Passacaglia, and Grammaticus.

I agree we should not allow DC, KWhit and Anxiety into the consul roles. We must vary the targets for the Tarqs to go after so they can't hurt us doubly with one kill (as you mention).

So you have said before. And yet you refuse to cuddle.

Our plan is at risk because the top tier of our wealth system continues to delay joining with us. I have already said how I am reading this. There could be many reasons why the resistance, but the main one is this--they aren't with us at all. It would certainly explain why we have had problems hiring services.

But it's my hope they are only either misguided or overly suspicious of me or just not liking (understandably) that they might be targets going for these roles publically.

So in that light, I would ask Barkeep and Peregrine (whom have both offered to submit bids) to offer backup bids for KWhit (ardent lawyer) and Anxiety (Durus Pimpus sex slave dealer). Coffee Warlord has already backed up the sword killer bid that DC would make. If we are assured of making these bids, we know at least that if we do not get it, someone above you in the wealth chain has bid for them (and should a kill happen, obviously be a Tarq). This request can also be made of Autumn who is on the same wealth level, although we haven't heard from him yet today.

Anyone who does not puiblically state a bid here who is in a position to help the village, really, we have to consider them enemies of the state, and I would highly recommend we arrest them at all costs.

Narcizo and Peregrine, you both control the arrests for tomorrow. I would highly recommend arresting any high wealth member who refuses to help without very good reason. I am hoping both DC and KWhit will see what we're trying to get at here. I don't hold much help on Anxiety at the moment, unfortunately, as he has not shown any willingness to budge on this.

Too many people are thinking of themselves, I fear. If the side of good wins, but you die, do you win? I say you do. Or maybe it's just they want to keep playing. Or they think they aren't already high-profile targets (they can control services, of course they're high-profile targets) outside of this plan.

I am willing to sacrifice myself for the good of the Senate, and perhaps I have by putting this plan out. But I know what they risk personally is greater. But what good is there in living to lose? I don't know if people feel they still win if they die and good wins, but for sure, if they live and good dies, they lose.

And that is a big if in dying. I have alreayd pointed out numerous times, not only are there three top wealthy players. There are also consuls, a tribune, a lawyer and myself. There are a lot of targets. The plan limits the Tarqs to at best one per day. You could commit to this plan, the wolves always choose to target this group, and still live seven days from now--and trust me, this game won't last that long.

lol ardent.

I, too, never lied in the Big City game where I was the sports gambler (and said so numerous times). They still killed me. Sad, huh?

Sorry I didn't jump in on CR's plan yesterday but I had very little time and I wanted to digest it. And to be honest I'm surprised that people are having a problem with it. Is it better to continue muddling on in the current fashion? Arresting and executing based on hunches and feelings (Again, I'm as guilty as the next person) This is a solid, concrete plan that could really help us nail down the services. So one person is going to die - one person is going to die anyway. At least one person has already died each day while we've blundered along achieving very little. There's still the threat of two bodyguards. To be honest my only misgiving with CR's plan is that it appears to be too good to be true. It looks like the bad guys can be completely locked down. So that definitely gives me pause for thought. There's a chance that cronin didn't think of this but I doubt it.

But as CR has pointed out, it requires the richest people to get on board. I've always suspected that we have a traitor in the upper wealth bracket so I am very suspicious of anyone rich who doesn't want to take part. It seems that that includes the top three people.

In my mind my thoughts on Neon and Coffee aren't supremely important right at the moment. But I'll gather my notes together in a bit and try to make my case. To be honest it looks, for better or for worse, like Neon is for the jump anyway so I don't honestly know if I can be bothered presenting my case against him.

Again, failure to vote today (Neon/Chubby/acquit) should result in an arrest tomorrow.

I don't want to be seen to be abusing my position but I am leaning heavily towards arresting any rich person who is unwilling to go along with CR's plan. Chief Rum is probably the person I trust the most at the moment. His arguments have been spot on (and I suspect he was even correct about there being a wolf among the five he mentioned, although we'll never know now - thanks Mustang).

Incidentally has anyone worked out how the hell Mustang got the services of the swordsman. Isn't he super-poor? If anything though this actually means I trust him, although I wish he hadn't done what he did. If he was a wolf he would have just made a kill and not said anything about it.

Anyway, my daughter is waking up. Time to go.

Thanks, fellas. I'm just doing my part to keep the real thread cleaned up. I mouthed off a bit, and realized not posting ANYTHING is probably worse than posting too much, regardless of what a few people think.

Meh, I still can't believe ironhead would think I would be trying to keep people from reading his stuff. The only thing I can remember him posting was that he was looking at houses around noon.

Anyhow, this allows me to post whatever I want during the day while I'm bored, and keeps my useless posting out of the real thread.

Whew. I nearly posted in the other thread!

Maybe DC just had a bit too much to drink last night?

Whew! A 4-hour DOLA. Is that a record?

My "analysis" of Neon is, to be frank, not really worthy of the name.

I've got wolfy vibes off of him from the start. Stuff like "methinks st.cronin rushed out the game too early" and the business of voting for an illegible consul. Sure it's a confusing game I've made mistakes interpreting things in the game (I thought we could only vote once on consul, for example). But still, it seemed like a good way to avoid committing to a vote.

Basically it boils down to him coming in with with a few posts to keep his post count ticking along without actually saying anything. And then he accuses AE of, basically, doing the same thing as himself, only on a far grander scale.

And then when I decided to push him on the matter he seemed to go very defensive about it. Shurg. To be honest this isn't one of my best pieces of work. He gave me a hinky vibe and pushed himself into being one of the top candidates by his defensive response to me. I wanted to get the lawyers checked out and figured getting someone to scan him with AE was the way forward.

My main beef with LSG was that she's rich and I believe there's a rich wolf out there. However I now think there's better candidates for the rich wolf position. I think having Neon as a lawyer is just going to be far too compromised. On current form, how long is it going to take before we can get our act together enough to scan him? I'm hoping for a more trustworthy lawyer next time. So I'm going to,

Vote thwow Neon fwom the wock

I've just realised that I've been missing out on the opportunity to say that.

Firstly sorry to cut and run after having asked you a question CW. It was very rude. I had been intending to go but I just saw your post and felt that I had to react to it. I'd been formulating an idea that you were a wolf but I have to say that your reaction to Chief Rum's plan has given me pause for thought. I concur that I might be missing something but from where I'm sitting I think the wolves would be very opposed to the plan. You were the first one to accept it and that means I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I might as well explain myself now. My suspicion of you, apart from the, you-know, "off-handedly killing one of the key roles in the game" business ;) was the killing of Swaggs. To recap, the order to kill Swaggs came before anyone understood the full ability of the lawyer. This is why I was baffled about why anyone would kill Swaggs. He certainly hadn't put forward any arguments against someone and he wasn't wealthy. At the time I think the only sense I could make of it was that it was Ardent, who somehow knew more about the role than he was letting on. Or that someone else knew about the role. However what I was missing was that there are definitely two people who did know what the lawyer could do. Dodgerchick and yourself.

I've got to say that Dodgerchick's reaction to Chief's plan and my belief that there is a rich wolf means that I'm leaning very heavily towards acceding to her wishes and arresting her. There have been a few things that struck me as unwolfy about here (clearing Autumn, who ranks just under Chief in my trust list for one), which is why I was starting to concentrate on you rather than her but recent events have changed my mind about that.

Given that my two candidates for consul would be Chief and Autumn. Chief doesn't want to be voted in. So I'll

Vote Autumn for Consul

And hold off with the other vote for now.

Who put Chubbus back in jail? Sorry if I missed it. Anyway, given a choice between the two, Neon was suspicious to me, and I am still willing to give Chubbus the benefit of the doubt a little more, since he has a lot to catch up on.

Vote Neon Chaos

And since I've been nominated for Consul, or at least suggested, I'll put my name in.

Vote Passacaglia for Consul

Wait...the Chubbus re-jail was a 40-pointer, right? I remember now.

I forgot.

Bid sent for Maximus Maximus.

Updated, with how I feel currently about the current players. I will review posts of the current players to see if I get a different feeling about any of them.

Primer:

With two Senators jailed, the rules are slightly different. Whichever Senator gets a majority of the votes to execute, will be executed. Everybody must vote to execute one of the players in jail - failure to cast a vote will be considered an abstention.

So, what's the penalty for this abstention?

Quit cluttering up the board with your threads :rolleyes: :p

Nice. :)

I've stated my suspicions of Neon before.

vote execute Neon Chaos

Backup bid for Anxiety sent in as requested.

Please do I'd appreciate that. Actually, I'm actually a little shocked I haven't been sent to jail, why do ya'll think I've been hiring Ardent? I've been WAITING to get arrested.

Once my innocence has been proven then I have no problem following Chief's plan... no problem at all.

I'm gonna be super busy today so I'm gonna:

vote chubby innocent
vote neon chaos guilty

vote autumn for counsel
vote dodgerchick for counsel

I trust myself obviously, and if my scan of autumn was correct, then I'll go with it and assume him to be of the Republic.

I sent my PM yesterday and hope I have it locked down. I'll be awaiting to get arrested with hands behind my back.

I'm not sure about Neonus Chaosus. I agree the "don't waste a scan on me" thing is not right, but doesn't sound like something a Tarq would say.

The Chubby/LSG thing is a problem for me. They have not said much or weighed in on anything. Chubby still only has one post. I hate replacement of players as it really clouds the waters (even though it is necessary sometimes). But between the two, I am going to say throw the totally invisible wonder twins off the rock

VOTE TO TOSS CHUBBY / LSG FROM TO THE ROCKUS

I would have expected some posts from chubbus by now. I would rather be confronted with Neonus late in the game and have something to evaluate than chubbus and have nothing.

If we go with the CR plan of some version of it, is there any value in my placing a backup bid to the backup bids?

dola,

I know Mustangus got a key role as a poorer senator. It seems to make sense that we target everyone's bid. That way when a Tarq does not follow the process, we can start back tracking to where the breakdown occurred.

:)

BTW, Has anyone come out and said that they bid for AE's scanning rights during the last turn? It's the only question I have running through my mind right now.

Who bid for AE's services during the last turn? Who won his services, and who did you scan? Were you able to scan me and confirm my innocence? Can we get a list of the people who bid for services during the last turn? Check to see who won/lost?

I didn't bid on any day, considered myself to be too far below the pecking order.

dola, it's what hoopsguy was trying to collate during the past gameday.

dola dola dola


I still am confused about this game. :) And I still do feel that st.cronin didn't really have the rules fleshed out when he released the game . But, running a WW game is definitely a difficult task, specially with the number of people in this one.

Did I miss a vote, Narc? IIRC, I voted every single time. I haven't had a hard time commiting to a vote, I just voted the way that my limited knowledge of the game and my gut instincts told me to.

So, why would you not bid for any services? Mustangus apparently recieved the assassin while in a low bracket and hoops recieved the horse trader in the lowest bracket.

It makes no sense to just not bid at all. I understand the feeling of futility, but that does not warrant just not voting. It makes it appear that you are trying to hide what you bid on.

dola,

Neonus, I don't know who bid for Ardentus yesterday, but DC said she forgot to bid on him. I believe that Ardentus said he also got sex slaves that night. Do the sex slaves block the lawyer? If whoever hired the lawyer can confirm that, we would then have a piece of information worth knowing.

Ardentus has said that he does not know. He does not even know when he is used to investigate someone of wrongdoing.

We also do not know what "wrongdoing" means at this point.

I would think a positive response of wrongdoing would be a definate bad.

The negative response of wrongdoin is what I am not sure about "confirming good".

I didn't bid on any service on Day 1 because I had no clue what the people did and how exactly they would affect gameplay.

I then went on and put mass lawsuits everywhere to try and increase my wealth, and lost most of them. I didn't bid on anybody after that.

And I would like to repeat that I have voted, just not bid.

Although I completely disagree with not bidding for the reasons you stated, it appears a lot of people passed on bidding for the first day out of confusion. I thought the rules were pretty clear. It cost nothing to bid and takes a few seconds to type and send the PM. So, why not do it? But, like I said you are in the same boat as a lot of people who did not bid, as st.cronin kept reminding people to bid. I'm sure all of those bidders are not bad.

But seriously, why would you not bid just because you dont know what the service does? Someone has to get the service to figure out what it does. Knowing what the services do is ultimately going to help the village organize and start overcoming being the uninformed majority aspect of the game.

Correction, in post #1971 DC said she did in fact hire Ardentus, but forgot to send in a PM to investigate anyone. So that power went unused for that day.

It's a ghost town in here....

Boo!

Alright, now that we have travelled some ways into this game, here is my read on people or my trust list:

Golden
Grammaticus Atticus - Good

Strongest Trust:
Chiefus Rumus - Good analysis and idea about pinning down roles supports village
Kwhitus - Has been up there from early in the game based on analysis, is fading a bit
Ironus Headus - strong village feel from support early in the game

Some Trust
Narcizus - Good analysis, maybe should move up into strong trust
Autumnus - would be stronger but DC vouching for him is sketchy

Some Distrust
Passus - Don't like the "forgot to bid" yesterday that is really bad
Dodgerus Erchickus - failure to apply AE and doesnt support village oriented plans
Mustangus - oddity with the passus bid, how did he get the assissin in bottom wealth tier and killed Ant. without input or lawyer review, etc.
Chubus - MIA both as chubbus and LSG, which is odd and not like their play style
Neonus - Don't agree with why he does not bid. I think he is bidding, why wouldn't you?
Barkeepus - Not sure, but seems to have screwed up as consul, otherwise I usually get a bad feel, so not sure (just like Tyrith)
Coffeus - Don't like the rambo pk earlier and don't have a good feel. Voting issues as consul

Unsure
Ardentus - Seems to live on as lawyer and post a lot of static and obfuscation. But seems to be acting as usual
Pathus - don't know, but I'm wary of just trusting him at this point
Peregrinus - floated idea about voting but has not pushed much. Well see how consulship shakes out
Tyrith - leaning more as suspicious. He usually has more to say, but I generally always feel he is bad, so not sure how to read him now
Abeus - not sure, no read

Also, I had hoops in my strong trust column and Antmiester in the some trust column.

Based on my trust list my consul choices are:

Grammatticus Atticus for Consul
Ironus Headus for Consul

I would take Chief Rum, but he is off the board due to his schedule.

Execute Neon

Elect Passacaglia to Consul
Elect CW to Consul

It's a busy weekend for me, but there you have it. Pass seems sufficiently decent in my mind, and I once against vote for myself as Consul. Neon...I can see him being a traitor more than I can see him being good. He's gone from popping in and out with little comments to offering long responses, possibly to try and save his ass.

Oh and by using my trust list, I say

Jail Passus Caglius.

I think there is a Tarq in the top wealth tier(s). I'm okay with a lot of people in the second and third wealth tier behind Passus.

Sorry, meant to underline Passus Caglius in the above post, but can't edit.

So,

Jail Passus Gaglius

Hey, Chiefus Rumus you left Abeus and Cofeus off your trust list. Where do you place them in your scope of things?

Okay, this is critical because you're assigned the sword killer. Are you saying you put in another bid for ardent?

If so, please say so. At least then, if KWhit decides to join with us, then he can switch and put in a bid for the sword killer.

THE VERY LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS LET THE SWORD KILLER FALL INTO TARQ HANDS.

And I REALLY don't care for how you continue to put yourself ahead of the village, even at the potential cost of us losing two loyal Senators tomorrow instead of just one.

Caps are for emphasis. ;)

Coffee, I certainly hope everything's okay with your backup sword killer bid. Looks like we may need it. Grammaticus, I would recommend sending one in for the sword killer as well.

Did I? I was moving people arouind using a wealth list copy. Not surprised I would have missed them.

I was saving them for last, because of my uncertainty about them. I feel better about CW then Anxiety. For one thing, he's stated he's going with us on the plan after some initial questioning. Everything he said about lawyer use seems to be checked out, but, as noted, a main concern is that his primary voucher is Dodgerchick, whom herself is falling under suspicion now. I would say their fates are linked. Narcizo's point about who knew what lawyers could do going into the Day Two night actions might have gotten lost in the postings, but it's a very valid one I am also keeping in mind.

Anxiety has troubled me for some time. As I told Anxiety himself, I am used to him providing some steady analysis and rational discussion and being an active player. He has been rather touch and go in this one, though. The change in character registered on my impressions. And he seems to be the strongest in being against the plan amongst our resistant top three wealthy senators, which is a definite negative mark.

Refresh my memory - who has been pseudo-cleared?

Something I can say for Anxiety is that I sent him Balbus Senna last night. Within a minute or two after receiving the PM he posted pretty much the same thing that Hoops had posted earlier. Had it been a while before Anxiety had replied I would have been concerned that he was trying to match his answer up to Hoops', but thefact that he immediately responded makes me believe he is telling the truth about what was in the PM. For what it is worth I have him on my trust list right now.

Regarding service bids tonight I am more than willing to go along with the plan. Just let me know if you still want me to bid for the bodyguard and I will send it in.

CW has vouched for KWhit. That's the only pseduo-clearing I know of.

Just to review the status of the plan right now. Here is how I presented it. I have added in CAPS what has publically been stated about these bids.

Dodgeus Erchickus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer--MAY BE BIDDING FOR ARDENT INSTEAD. NEED TO CONFIRM.
Kayus Whitus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer--HASN"T SAID IF HE WILL PARTICPATE. IF DC BIDS ON ARDENT, HE WOULD NEED TO BID FOR MACRO THE SWORD KILLER.
Abeus Anxietus-- Bid for DURUS PIMPUS, sex slave dealer--HAS REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN SO FAR

Ironus Headus-- Bid for MAXIMUS MAXIMUS, legionnaire/BG--HAS POSTED BUT NOT SAID HE SUBMITTED A BID. WE NEED IRONHEAD TO GET IN ON THIS.
Passus Caglius-- Bid for VITUS AVIDUS, legionnaire/BG-- HAS PUT INA BID.

This should be all that is necessary to control the services. I would like to set up backup options, but I am uncertain of this because we start to get to more suspicious people (IMO). CoffeeWarlord and path12, though, have to be committed, because they are on the same level as Ironhead and Passacaglia. Wemust also lock down what they bid on.

Thusly, they should bid on:

Coffeus Yakus Warlordus-- Bid for MACRO, the sword killer== HAS PUT IN A BID. IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL RIGHT NOW, WITH THE TOP WEALTH ISSUES.
Pathus Twelvus-- Bid for ARDENT, lawyer-- HAS NOT POSTED IF HE PUT IN A BID, TO MY KNOWLEDGE (HASN'T POSTED AT ALL, I THINK).

Narcizo and I are in the next wealth group, so we should submit backup bids as well. I will bid for the sex slave dealer, if Narcizo will bid for one of the legionnaires/BGs.

NARCIZO AND I HAVE BOTH PUT IN OUR BIDS, MINE FOR THE SEX SLAVE, NARCIZO FOR THE BODYGUARD. PEREGRINE HAS PUT IN A BID FOR THE SEX SLAVES.

BARKEEP AND GRAMMATICUS HAVE OFFERED TO PUT IN BIDS, NO WORD YET, HOPEFULYL COMING.

AUTUMN HAS NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE YESTERDAY AND NOT KNOWN IF HE WILL PARTICIPATE.

Given all of the above, I would be primarily concerned (after the top tier issues) about making sure Ironhead states if he has gotten a bid in, and if Path12 and Autumn show up to put in backup bids.

Good point on Balbus Senna. Not sure it clears him (just that you sent him Balbus Senna), but it's something at least. What exactly does Balbus Senna do? At least what you were told in your PM, I mean. I know what ANxiety said.

I posted my last post before seeing this, in which I had noted you hadn't committed to a bid yet. Since you're asking about that now, please go ahead and submit a bid based off of the plan. We'll go with the bodyguard for right now, if that's cool with you.

Sorry, haven't confirmed but I will be putting in a bid for Ardent.

Ok I'm going to go ahead and vote for pass for consul since he's been generally trustworthy since coming aboard. The other person I trust to be a good guy is KWhit, despite my difficulties with him as co-consul.

So that's the way I'm going
Vote Pass
Vote KWhit

Okay, I have submitted the bid for Maximus Maximus.

To be honest I am not 100% certain of what Balbus Senna does. He can be sent to one other player to convince them of the righteousness of your beliefs. I originally believed it was a way to clear your innocence to someone else. The more I think about it I wonder if it isn't a conversion mechanism. Assuming that both villagers and wolves have equal access to services a "clear" attempt wouldn't make sense in the context of a wolf winning the service. But a conversion does work in both regards.

When Hoops received the service from Schmidty he said he had no idea who it actually came from, so that further confirms to me that it is not a clear attempt. How can the service clear the person who sent it if the person who received it has no idea where it came from? Hoops said that the PM indicated he was uninterested in what Balbus Senna had to say, and Anxiety posted the same thing. We know that both Schmidty and Hoops were poisoned, which would affirm that they were both good. I know I am good, so if my sending Balbus to Anxiety created the same interaction that Schmidty/Hoops had then I have to believe that Anxiety is good as well.

I will be leaving for work in a couple hours and off working out most of the time in the middle. So this might be my last post before deadline (and if I am killed, last post period except to say bye). But I will try to check in again before I go.

I think you all are already on this, but those of you in on the plan will need to determine how you can get it working going forward, as I may not be here to hear how DC and KWhit and path12 get involved. If anything needs to be changed up to be sure critical roles are covered, I have bid for the sex slaves, as noted.

I have decided to THROW NEON FROM THE ROCK. I'm not as certain as Narcizo is about him, but I trust Narcizo and his instincts (and haven't gotten any warm fuzzies from Neon myself), so I'm rolling with that.

Obviously, then, FREE LSG/CHUBBY. It's not the lack of posting isn't bad and super-suspicious, but the continued issues with this player (the combo) combined now with poor wealth makes them not our most improtant target. I would rather leave the jail open for better candidates.

For arrests, I would recommend Dodgerchick and Anxiety. I'm not even sure if Anxiety acquiescing to the planb would stop me from wanting to arrest him at this point. Dodgerchick's resistance and desire to be arrested is all well and good, so might as well let her have what she wants--and then possibly throw her off the rock.

path12 would be my next choice after that. He is growing in suspicion with me, as he has not been present (which may just be weekend related, must just be wants to hide his feelingsa on the plan) the past couple days, he has not yet committed to being a part of the plan, and he was one of my original five for the Day One sword killer patron.

For consuls, it was a tough choice, as I have good confidence in several players. For now I will...

ELECT IRONHEAD FOR CONSUL
ELECT PASSACAGLIA FOR CONSUL

Arresting people who resist the plan without good reason is key right now. We need our people in the seats of power to do so. I would have voted for Autumn but he has not been around the past day or so, and we need someone to be aorund to be certain to put in arrest orders.

I think that covers all the bases.

Hmmm...but Balbus Senna is only available every other day right? Another point toward a possible conversion ability, as that would be a powerful service and perhaps not one you want out there every day. We may need to go back and compile a list of who has hired Balbus and how they used him (and if we have had confirmations).

If we're lucky, he has only been out for hire twice, and it was Schmidty and yourself that hired him. But if he has been out a third time, we might want to look at that, and anyone cleared or pseudo-cleared before that begins to fall under suspicion.

He has only been available twice, with confirmed bids of Schmidty and I. He is available for hire again tonight.

Hmm, we may need to change up then. I will let you guys decide the best way to do that. I still think the sex slaves, sword killer and ardent are msot important, but the conversion possibility probably puts Senna above the bodyguards. We should probably bump them down and get Senna. Ironhead, since you're one who has bid on the bodyguards, we should probably have you switch to Senna again. Narcizo has a bid on Maximus, and bodyguards are only useful for good anyway, I believe.

I agree that we should probably try to grab Balbus. Since I have the sword killer tonight and will not be using him there should only be a poison attempt against the village. I think a possible block of a conversion, or even a conversion for the side of good might be more important than having 2 bodyguards out there.

I said I'd go along with it today CR.