Hoops, apprently i mispoke as she says only 5 were hers. I would assume after two times it would be 10. Do you get paid before or after the fun?

I don't think it is explicit in terms of when the transaction takes place. Our money summary is at the end of the PM.

Night 0: Fouts
Night 1: Dodgerchick (common Londoner - good)
Night 2: About to go off with DaddyTorgo, but jailed
Night 3: Released from jail after working hours
Night 4: dubbs (had an opium den dream about the Sleeper Awakening (red herring is my guess) )
Night 5: path deliberated between me and hoops, chose hoops. DC deliberated between me and Barkeep, chose barkeep. No play for me.

That actually sounds like a conversion to me, but i have to go

Nope, nothing came up in the PM that said I was converted, so my belief is I'm still good.

Besides, telling someone about a dream would be a pretty silly conversion mechanism.

That's exactly why I didn't mentioned I robbed him... I knew if I mentioned it, it would incriminate me. But I guess it doesn't matter.

So question, I would really like to know why I'm getting lynched. Is it because BK died and I was with him, or is it because I robbed him? It's one or the other.

Could mean someone else was converted, potentially.

What the hell was DT doing last night? No urchins, no prostitutes (Izulde saw Path and DC - which is different from my experience on previous evenings - but none of us saw DaddyT) - opium? Why, when visiting a prostitute could help his cause?

Interesting vote on Day 2 when we hit Lathum. He switched votes on Day 2 to Lathum once hoops presented his case. This is also making me think that DT is okay.

I'm thinking about switching my vote to Izulde.

I wanna reiterate what happened last night, as it seems there might be confusion of when I robbed BK:

I go to Commercial and didn't find anyone so I go to Whitechapel Rd where Barkeep, Izulde and Hoops are hooking on the corners. Barkeep and I are having sex and he pushes me away making choking sounds. I am so freaked out (as I was IRL when I read it) that I freeze and don't wanna go out then he dies. I didn't get my money's worth so I go to the dresser, look in her purse and find 30 shilling (5 were mine). Since she's dead, I take it and I go home, to my flat in Bishopsgate.

If we just have the one bad guy in play, we have him down for kills potentially on Nights 1, 3, and 5.

He robbed Brian D (at least) and may get some kickbacks from urchins if he is Fagin.

DaddyTorgo tried to get Izulde on Night 2 when he was arrested and hooked up with Barkeep on Night 4 (Blade, are you positive it was this night?)

DodgerChick says she tried to hire Izulde Night 2 (Izulde, can you verify this from your Night 2 PM) and was with Barkeep Night 4. But was also with Barkeep last night (confirmed) and Izulde Night 1 (confirmed). So for DC to kill on Night 1 and be with a prostitute who sees her as good in that same period seems like a stretch.

UNVOTE DODGERCHICK
VOTE DADDYTORGO

I don't think Izulde concurs with your assessment on Night 2.

The more I think about it, the more I think DC is the right choice tonight. Good bye Lorena.

I'm here and looking for some guidance.

Right now, I am thinking that dubb set us up with the "slow acting poison" comment.

LOL, it's cool. If I'm bad, i certainly don't know about it.

Well, you're gonna hang one way or the other.

Swaggs, I'm on board with that analysis (Dubb lying) if you believe that Brian's killer on Night 1 is different than Barkeep's killer on Night 5. Or if you believe that someone can both visit a prostitute and kill in the same night. Either of those explanations would allow the easy choice today (Dodgerchick) to be the killer last night.

Do we know if Blade can interview people while they are in jail?

Refresh me on the circumstances of Brian D.'s murder?

I don't believe he can because they can't do anything while in jail.

See Post #2072 for a review of all the Night actions (listed Night 1 here for you):

Post #455 (Night 1 results)
BrianD - beaten to death and robbed
Fouts - mauled by Hyde (Saldana)
Tyrith - killed in home by werewolf (Dubb)
No action by Lathum (Jack)

Anyone?

DC, considering I changed my vote for me it is neither at the moment.

AFK for a few, hope to be back before deadline.

Well, I'm thoroughly frustrated right now, so I'm outta here.

Chief, did you ever play Everquest, by chance? :P

I think I am just going to hope we hit a homerun today:

Vote Dodgerchick
Vote Lynch LSG

Yeah, unfortunately you're gonna strike out.

Catching up. I can confirm you are correct for night 0.

RA, bullet learned from Barkeep on his night 1 visit that the john from night 0 was good. That was me, and is all I have as far as a vouch goes. If you believe in conversions (not sure I do at this point) you obviously have to take that into account.

I missed this completely. Could you clarify it?

I feel lost at the end of days when I don't keep track of the votes - will start doing that again tomorrow.

The dream could hint at someone else awakening. Without copying it, could you paraphrase the details?

Nope. If you're saying my game is like crack, then thanks! Otherwise I don't know what you're driving at. :)

Because it wasn't incriminating enough being in bed with her when she died? :)

That's the one thing with the story, you were gonna have problems with that to begin with, holding off on stealing the money seemed minor in comparison to me.

That said, I still don't think you're evil.

I'm flattered to take over the quote section, but RA's comment was definintely funnier :)

Did Bullet ever vote?

Because I'm wondering if we are at 4-4-1 right now.

I don't remember. I was swamped today and just kept skimming.

There were so many quotes I wanted to put on my signature from this game but refrained. (BrianD's was one of them)

Chief, thanks for running such an awesome game. I think I got a little carried away with my character at times though ;)

I voted DT, not Dodgerchick.

Chief, you have Path listed with both people.

For the record.

Yeah, I had path and st cronin reversed, and then replaced st cronin with path. Ugh.

St cronin your vote is on DC, isn't it?

If so, it should be as follows:

DC—RA, Blade, DT, stcronin, Swaggs
DT—path, Izulde, DC, hoops

That sounds right, but I haven't written votes down the last few days so I'm going from memory.

I know, path. I just put the wrong name know. This sucks doing this at Kinkos. I HATE Anaheim power utility right now.

Dola - Cronin is only one I'm not sure about in terms of recalling conversations, but I think your list is correct.

st.c voted dodgerchick #2091.

I'm going to confirm right now, but regardless, deadline has passed. We'll see where it ends up.

Thanks. Pretty sure I have it right, but with it so close, I need to be sure.

I've also lost power three times in the past month. I feel your pain.

This was exactly what i meant when i said it sounded like a conversion...i wasnt saying izulde, but it seemed to me to signify a the bad guy gained a bad guy that night(the night we had no kills if im not mistaken)

Barkeep said he hooked up with DC and DT that night...thats how positive i am, meaning i know nothing about it...just passed along what Barkeep said.

damm. missed the deadline. home now though. and i'll put together a list of my night actions here in a minute.

hoops...last night i was falling asleep and missed the deadline to get my night action in.

Dang, 30 shillings gone to waste :(

That will teach you to steal :p

lol :D

Hey, I'm just a poor fisherman that was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I *told* you guys DC was good and a normal Londoner. :mad:

:(

Only in WW can someone make love to a hooker soo badly they die, rob them after they die in your arms, be seen by multiple people do all this this, and be deemed good by society in the end. Well, i guess WW and senators...

We got fagin, for all intensive purposes im happy as can be..sucks DC had to go, but she brought that on herself for not telling us up front about the robbery. I wouldnt have gone after her nearly as hard if she hadnt tried to hide it.

Blade, I'm not sure that Daddy is a lock for a scan tonight.

Izulde and Hoops - started good as prostitutes
Bullet - revealed good by Barkeep on Night 1
Blade/Cronin - dynamic duo
Raiders/Swaggs - both trusted by Blade
Path - scanned by Blade last night

If you are worried about a conversion in the game scan someone you trust and lets see if we get lucky. If there are no conversions then DaddyTorgo is the only one left as potentially an original evil.

Take your shot on someone else, if you don't come up with a bad guy we go ahead and lynch DaddyTorgo. Unless we believe there were six bad guys we are not in much danger right now. We've already had a brutal wolf in this game (Lathum) so we aren't at risk in that manner as we approach end game.

By "scan someone you trust" I mean scan someone that isn't Daddy - obviously you understand your own trust list just fine and don't need to explain it to anyone.

I would consider DaddyTorgo to be a fall-back lynch at this time. And if that sounds cold, well he has missed two actions already this game, has had long lapses of non-participation, and has no substantial vouches heading into Night 6. Sorry, but those are the breaks.

Dubb was also a brutal wolf, but our constable spent money to save me...remember that.

Right now the question i want you ask you. Do you believe we have a conversion, or moriarty. If the latter, DT makes the most sense for a scan...if the former, he does not. Do you assume that role is not in the game, which states is a role against holmes, which i am in the game.

I'll be in Commercial if anyone is looking for action tonight.

Moriarty only - 50% likelihood
Conversion only - 25% likelihood
Moriarty + conversion - 25% likelihood

Assuming you are right with your trust on RA and Swaggs, then the only people who could have started bad are DT or Path with a cunning wolf ability, right?

Starting with five bad guys, who can execute multiple kills on given evenings, and have a conversion, seems to be significantly upping the ante in terms of difficulty. The good guys have their share of advantages so I'm not ruling it out.

Our biggest advantage was 2 seers, and 2 roles that can support their seers(1 with BG powers, one with arrests). We just got unlucky they got NTN so early, especially after the 2 seers found each other on night 1 and could have worked together.

Outside of that, the hookers are partial seers.

How about this:

CONSTABLE, ARREST DADDYTORGO PLEASE

That way, if need be, we can take 2 again(hightening our chances of catching evil)

Ya'll are really not reading what I post... it's alright, I'm used to it.

I read what you posted, and understand your feelings. Im just telling you in my opinion if you had come out with the info all up front i think DT would have been lynched. Bad guys hide incriminating info, good guys share it. It looked bad when you hid it, whatever your intentions.

Thats my .02, take it for what you will

Love it.

hoops...my "long lapses of non-participation" are due to my work schedule, which if you will note, I have always posted about well in advance. so don't use that as a reason to lynch me. sucks that my work schedule sucks so much, but them's the breaks...i don't have the luxury of having the sort of job where i can sit around all day and play WW. missed night actions...yep. done that. i was tired last night and confused by the options CR presented for the weekend. so lynch me for that. blah. vouches? izulde was about to get busy with me, through no fault of his own. and barkeep and i definately had a good time, although I didn't poison him, so don't jump to that conclusion. who else did he service who could have poisoned him?

I knew LSG was a baddie! Not really...

DT..for better or worse, no one can vouch for you. LSG, dubb, saldana and lathum were all unvouched for by anyone...all 4 came up evil. Do you know who alive left is unvouched for by anyone...just you.

You have to see where were coming from then...besides, if your good go to a prostitute tonight and earn your trust.

Daddy, I have led lynch expeditions for much thinner reasons than I have outlined here.

But if you want to help us win the game, rather than complain about people gunning for you, put together a comprehensive post of your activities - what have you done with day/night actions so far this game?

Also, I'm working with the idea that you do not have a bodyguard or seer power at this point in time. I would assess the risk/reward associated with a full reveal if you are a good guy at this stage in the game. We are going to be heading into Day 7 tomorrow. I expect you will be safe as a kitten from the bad guys tonight.

If you are not going to have the bandwidth at work tomorrow to be able to post in your own defense then please do it this evening. I don't want to see us make a mistake because of perceived inactivity, but lacking other candidates/reasons I'll take my chances if you don't engage yourself within seven days of game play.

i've engaged in the game hoops. taking cheap shots at me for having to work is pretty low, and honestly is a good way of discouraging me from participating in future WW games. not that i expect that to cause you to back off or really get any response from anyone other than a sarcastic "boo hoo" or "maybe you shouldn't" from you or anyone, but just FYI.

i don't suppose I have the option of visiting a prostitute tonight, as Blade has called for RA to arrest me tonight and haul me off to jail.

i will put together a list of my actions tonight, and also FYI I am not working tomorrow and I intend to do a bunch of stuff on my computer so I should be around.

Daddy, I honestly don't see the cheap shot in that post. If anything, I tried to outline ways that I thought you could avoid being lynched tomorrow.

It isn't a matter of post count, as Swaggs has relatively few in this game. But he is vouched for, so he doesn't draw much attention.

It isn't a matter of wanting to discourage anyone from playing the game - I try to be as inclusive as possible in both my public posts and private conversations with people. I enjoy playing werewolf games on this board and the best way to ensure a steady stream of games is to keep players around and engaged in order to build their enjoyment.

If this is a defense that you are mounting as a bad guy, I have sympathy for being in that position two games in a row. Ask Lathum how it feels to be a bad guy every time out; I'm sure he has thoughts on the matter. As do others who have been there ...

Looking forward to chatting with you tomorrow.

FWIW, I don't think anyone is taking cheap shots at you. I also don't think that it would be in anyone's interest to discourage anyone else from playing in future WW games. My two cents.

alright...fair enough. I guess i was just being a bit...testy.

Ya, we dont say things like this:

"Oh, your still playing raiders??? I thought you would have quit by now with how bad you are...god, never play WW again RA. Ever since we failed in X-com you have just been going downhill...hang em up RA, your just not the player you once were."

We may think it, but we dont tell him...i mean tell anyone


:p

Bulletsponge has been the least active player alive now that LSG is dead..does it upset me, yes...can i do anything about it? Well, besides lynching him, no...Is he helping us win this, not at all...he didnt even vote today. But barkeep was vouching for him earlier.

Though with conversion possible, he suddenly is less trusted and apparently doesnt care to be around to share his thoughts

I won't tell this RA fellow if you don't. ;)

Seriously, he already has to live with being a Raiders fan.

What worse, rooting for horrid NFL team or having jbmagic as your team prolific fan FOFC board?

That's a no-win situation right there. At least in FOF and Madden, the Raiders are doing quite well. :D

DT, as someone who has by far the most experience taking and giving WW cheap shots(i went like 5 games straight a ways back with a MAJOR blow-up with a new person every game...we havent had a major blow-up since egypt, so understand they werent minor).

Ive come to learn that WW can make people angry, can make them say comments you dont like, and can generally make you want to strangle them. At the end of the day though, our little community is pretty close. Schmidty and i used to hate each other and we get along great now. Lathum and i, well you dont even want to know how bad that was...were quite amiable now. DC and barkeep both took a shot at me this game with comments, but i talk to both outside of FOFC in very friendly terms. I think it took me awhile to understand its the game, not the people, causing the tension. A lot of the people here(in the WW community) will go out of their way to be nice to each other. Most are really decent people(except raiders, but we covered that ;) ). Once i learned to not let those things get to me my enjoyment of WW increased 10 fold. Now i feel like its a fraternity where we may have small arguements and squabbles, but at the end of the day were all friends and somewhat a family here in our corner of FOFC(not counting raiders again, noted). I hope in time you will come to see it that way too, and will be comfortable saying things like what i have about raiders becuase you both know your joking.

time for bullet to get mad at me for a cheap shot i regretted posting the second i did it

But I really do hate you all!

ok, i see im still alive.

what cheap shot?

Just look away, dont go looking for it

No cash, plus I need some variety.

p.s. I totaled up my air-miles for 2006. Ended up with 47216 miles for the year. Not as much as the past two years though!

Go away back stabbing ninja, my eye still hurts!!

is this the cheap shot post you were refering to? whats bad about it?

I said you werent helping us win...wow, if your not offended then im happy. Im used to having to apologize for even the slightest slant. I dont mean it as an insult, so i hope you dont take it that way.