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JonInMiddleGA 11-13-2008 09:54 PM

This is from an online "who should be appointed to Job so & so" thing at ajc.com
Politics aside, how hard it would have been to have found a slightly more flattering picture of potential Defense Secretary Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI)?


Tekneek 11-14-2008 02:09 PM

Are you saying the AJC may have an agenda here? Hence selecting a photo that makes him look like a village idiot?

GrantDawg 11-14-2008 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tekneek (Post 1886982)
Are you saying the AJC may have an agenda here? Hence selecting a photo that makes him look like a village idiot?


Yup. The AJC is a bastion of conservative thought. :)

JonInMiddleGA 11-14-2008 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tekneek (Post 1886982)
Are you saying the AJC may have an agenda here? Hence selecting a photo that makes him look like a village idiot?


Well, Sam Nunn is one of the other contenders for the job (in their little poll at least).

Buccaneer 11-14-2008 04:17 PM

I am about half way through that great Newsweek issue and it has been a fun read. I despised Bill Clinton before and now I do even more.

SFL Cat 11-14-2008 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 1885297)
• He worked in a Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop as a teenager and now can't stand ice cream


He doesn't like ice cream??? commie!

larrymcg421 11-14-2008 10:38 PM

Swing State Project has an interesting post that examines electoral shifts from 1984 to 2008. Surprisingly, there are 97 counties that were so Democratic in 1984, they went for Mondale in the face of a landslide, but have changed so much that they went for McCain in a 7 point loss. Here they are:

AL: Colbert, Jackson, Lawrence
AZ: Greenlee
GA: Crawford, Greene, Marion, McIntosh, Mitchell, Taylor, Telfair, Webster, Williamson
IL: Franklin
IA: Dallas, Davis, Monroe, Ringgold
KY: Ballard, Breathitt, Floyd, Harlan, Knott, Letcher, Livingston, Lyon, Magoffin, Marshall, Morgan, Muhlenberg, Perry, Pike, Union, Webster
LA: Allen, Pointe Coupee, West Baton Rouge, West Feliciana
MI: Keweenaw
MN: Anoka, Chisago, Jackson, Pennington
MO: Mississippi, Oregon, Reynolds
NC: Tyrrell
OK: Coal, Haskell, Hughes
PA: Armstrong, Beaver, Fayette, Greene, Lawrence, Washington, Westmoreland
SC: Edgefield
TN: Benton, Cannon, DeKalb, Franklin, Grundy, Henry, Hickman, Humphreys, Lake, Lincoln, Overton, Perry, Robertson, Smith, Stewart, Trousdale, Van Buren, Warren, White
TX: Cottle, Dickens, Fisher, Morris, Newton, Orange, Robertson, Stonewall, Swisher
VA: Buchanan, Dickenson, Russell
WV: Brooke, Clay, Fayette, Hancock, Lincoln, Logan, Mingo, Wyoming


They also list counties that voted for Dole in 1996, but went for Obama in 2008. There were 85 of them:

AL: Jefferson
CA: Alpine, Butte, Mono, Nevada, Riverside, San Diego, San Luis Obispo, Trinity
CO: Arapahoe, Jefferson, La Plata, Larimer, Ouray, San Juan
FL: Orange
GA: Douglas, Newton, Rockdale
ID: Teton
IL: Boone, Carroll, DuPage, Kane, Kendall, McHenry, McLean, Sangamon, Stephenson
IN: Marion, Tippecanoe
MD: Charles
MI: Berrien, Clinton, Eaton, Jackson, Kent, Leelanau
MN: Olmsted
MS: Oktibbeha
MT: Lake, Lewis & Clark, Gallatin
NE: Douglas, Lancaster
NV: Carson City, Washoe
NH: Belknap, Carroll
NJ: Somerset
NM: Los Alamos
NC: Forsyth, Pitt, Wake, Watauga, Wilson
ND: Cass, Grand Forks
OH: Hamilton
PA: Berks, Chester, Dauphin, Monroe
SC: Barnwell, Charleston
SD: Brookings
TX: Dallas, Harris
UT: Grand
VA: Albemarle, Chesapeake, Danville, Fairfax, Fairfax city, Harrisonburg, Henrico, Loudoun, Manassas, Manassas Park, Prince William, Staunton, Winchester
WA: Island
WI: Calumet, Waupaca


It's surprising to see more Mondale/McCain counties than Dole/Obama counties, but not too strange when you figure out the total populations.

Mondale/McCain: 3,197,000
Dole/Obama: 25,846,000

sterlingice 11-14-2008 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFL Cat (Post 1887229)
He doesn't like ice cream??? commie!


If only I had known before election day!

SI

Tigercat 11-15-2008 12:12 AM

Muslims don't eat ice cream, they eat sand, camel livers, and infidels.

Passacaglia 11-15-2008 07:42 AM

Go Kent County!

I had to wiki Keweenaw County, but like I suspected, it's in the upper peninsula.

Calis 11-15-2008 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFL Cat (Post 1887229)
He doesn't like ice cream??? commie!


Flip Flopper!







He appears to have a Mint Chocolate fetish.

Flasch186 11-15-2008 09:49 AM

He is obviously willing to do things he doesnt like. this bodes well for our future and is in stark contrast to the presidents of the past who will stand steadfast for what they believe in even in the face of unending criticism and objection :)

ISiddiqui 11-15-2008 01:32 PM

Quote:

in stark contrast to the presidents of the past who will stand steadfast for what they believe in even in the face of unending criticism and objection

You mean like Harry Truman? ;)

Galaxy 11-16-2008 12:30 PM

I keep hearing about the Democrats eying to reform 401k tax breaks and such. Any more info on this?

JPhillips 11-16-2008 12:45 PM

Go back a few pages. There was some subcommitte testimony and Miller and McDermott may or may not be interested, but nobody else has come out in favor and there and no plans to revoke the tax break.

GrantDawg 11-17-2008 07:25 PM

Wow. So, Clinton is going to take Sec of State. I would have never guessed. I would think she would be much more powerful staying in the Senate.

terpkristin 11-17-2008 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 1889090)
Wow. So, Clinton is going to take Sec of State. I would have never guessed. I would think she would be much more powerful staying in the Senate.


I concur. I would have preferred her to keep her Senate role, where she could rise to even more prominence.

/tk

SirFozzie 11-17-2008 07:57 PM

it'd take 3 terms more at least before she had the seniority to do anything but be the Junior Senator from New York.

SirFozzie 11-17-2008 08:08 PM

Ugh. Looks like Palinmania will continue to run wild, as she's expected to get $7 million for a book deal. Ah well.

And in other election news, Huckabee throws Romney to the wolves:

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Huckabee settling old scores? « - Blogs from CNN.com

Huckabee sharply criticizes the former Massachusetts governor for shifting positions on key conservative issues shortly before he decided to run for the White House, saying his record was "anything but conservative until he changed the light bulbs in his chandelier in time to run for president."

sounds like the battle between the fiscal conservatives and the religious conservatives is opening up with the first shots being fired by the religious side.

Young Drachma 11-17-2008 08:10 PM

Well smart on Huck's part. Romney has enough money to change Huckabee's name and religion if he wants.

Young Drachma 11-17-2008 08:11 PM

And after what the LDS folks did with Prop 8 in California, they're showing their muscle.

JonInMiddleGA 11-17-2008 08:34 PM

Speaking of Huckabee, did you see where he just signed on to do twice daily radio commentaries for the same syndicator (ABC Radio) that handles Paul Harvey?

They stopped considerably short of calling him a replacement for the venerable legend but along with Fred Thompson, they're definitely positioning themselves for the inevitable official end of Harvey's show.

stevew 11-18-2008 01:44 AM

Clinton must have known she didn't have the support to unseat the Nevada Gangster. At least that's my best guess.

stevew 11-18-2008 01:44 AM

Obama was for ice cream before he was against it before he was for it?

ISiddiqui 11-18-2008 11:11 AM

And Libermann's chair is saved:

Lieberman Keeps Chairmanship - NYTimes.com

JPhillips 11-18-2008 11:22 AM

And yet again the Dems show a lack of sack.

Kodos 11-18-2008 11:24 AM

At least I'll be able to vote against him next time he is up for re-election.

Fighter of Foo 11-18-2008 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 1889119)
Ugh. Looks like Palinmania will continue to run wild, as she's expected to get $7 million for a book deal. Ah well.

And in other election news, Huckabee throws Romney to the wolves:

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Huckabee settling old scores? « - Blogs from CNN.com

Huckabee sharply criticizes the former Massachusetts governor for shifting positions on key conservative issues shortly before he decided to run for the White House, saying his record was "anything but conservative until he changed the light bulbs in his chandelier in time to run for president."

sounds like the battle between the fiscal conservatives and the religious conservatives is opening up with the first shots being fired by the religious side.


Romney's not a fiscal conservative. He's not anything really.

Galaxy 11-18-2008 02:00 PM

So what happen to "change" with Obama? Seems like he stacking his cabinet/team with familiar DC people.

SirFozzie 11-18-2008 02:10 PM

That's to a point because you don't want a new group flailing about when the nation is in a crisis, apparently. Obama seems to think he can't afford in a lot of cases to "grow people into the role"

Alan T 11-18-2008 02:18 PM

I don't have any problem so far with how Obama has been setting up his cabinet. Since people on the right seem to be upset at the "no new faces" and people on the left seem to be upset at the "lack of balls" then he must be doing something right :)

That said, I think Jimmy Carter helped prove that you can't just bring a bunch of people who are strangers to Washington in and expect everything to go smoothly. You need to have people that are familiar with the ins and outs.

I like how supposedly Obama has been reaching across the aisle to look at some posts, as well as from what I understand he was one of the people who pushed for the Democrats to back off a bit on Lieberman as well. I'm not holding my breath any or anything, and I didn't vote for Obama this election (I voted for Barr).. but so far at least I am not terribly upset with how the pre-election period has gone.

I'm sure that will change some point around March (or even earlier) however :)

SirFozzie 11-18-2008 02:50 PM

Big winner of the election (other than Obama): Nate Silver: Apparently he just signed a two book deal with Penguin Group USA, for an advance in the range of $700,000.

The books apparently are: One about the art of prediction and the other a Freakonomics-style guide to the mechanics of electoral politics.

Young Drachma 11-18-2008 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 1889703)
Big winner of the election (other than Obama): Nate Silver: Apparently he just signed a two book deal with Penguin Group USA, for an advance in the range of $700,000.

The books apparently are: One about the art of prediction and the other a Freakonomics-style guide to the mechanics of electoral politics.


And that goes to show you kids, making up stats can someday get you a book deal.

SirFozzie 11-18-2008 03:35 PM

Making up stats?

SFL Cat 11-18-2008 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 1889669)
That's to a point because you don't want a new group flailing about when the nation is in a crisis, apparently. Obama seems to think he can't afford in a lot of cases to "grow people into the role"



Particularly when Obama himself is so inexperienced.

Vegas Vic 11-18-2008 07:26 PM

They know in detail about Sarah Palin's pregnant teenage daughter, but they don't know which party controls congress, who Harry Reid is, or who Nancy Pelosi is. They know that Sarah Palin said "I can see Russia from my house", even though it was Tina Fey who said it. They think it was Palin who said she campaigned in 57 states (even though Obama said it). They think that the candidate who is a former plagiarist must be John McCain. Just a few-- the list goes on and on.


cartman 11-18-2008 07:32 PM

I raise with this:


Big Fo 11-18-2008 07:32 PM

Such a contrast to the many videos of highly educated Sarah Palin supporters that were all over the Internet in the run-up to the election.

edit: semi-beaten by cartman who posted a classic

molson 11-18-2008 08:42 PM

SO FEW people are qualified to discuss politics in any meaningful way, for the rest of us it's just bias and spin and hopes and fears.

That's an interesting thing about the world to me - people much, much, much smarter than anyone posting here can disagree on this stuff. So doesn't that make all of our opinion shit?

But as entertainment, I love the stuff about dumb people on either side.

Howard Stern had a bit where he sent someone up to Harlem to describe McCain's policies to Obama's supporters. Except he told the Obama supporters that the McCain policies were actually Obama's, and of course the Obama supporters thought the policies were great ideas.


Butter 11-19-2008 06:04 AM

Ah yes, more "our side lost but look how stupid the other side is and what a bunch of sheep they are for voting for their guy! At least we're not that stupid!" videos.

Never a waste of time.

Dutch 11-19-2008 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 1889842)
They know in detail about Sarah Palin's pregnant teenage daughter, but they don't know which party controls congress, who Harry Reid is, or who Nancy Pelosi is. They know that Sarah Palin said "I can see Russia from my house", even though it was Tina Fey who said it. They think it was Palin who said she campaigned in 57 states (even though Obama said it). They think that the candidate who is a former plagiarist must be John McCain. Just a few-- the list goes on and on.


Nothing shocking. Simply a very well played campaign by the DNC.

Mizzou B-ball fan 11-19-2008 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 1890088)
Nothing shocking. Simply a very well played campaign by the DNC.


Agreed. Obama's campaign was obviously very well funded and they did a great job of getting their message out and painting the other ticket in a negative light.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69 (Post 1890060)
Ah yes, more "our side lost but look how stupid the other side is and what a bunch of sheep they are for voting for their guy! At least we're not that stupid!" videos.

Never a waste of time.


To be fair, you obviously haven't watched the video or the interviews of the producer of that video. He specifically states that the Obama supporters that were interviewed are not stupid at all. They are a product of the coverage and misrepresentation by both campaigns that creates such a flurry of soundbites that most Americans totally get lost in the facts behind each campaign. It's an indictment of the current political campaign process, not the voters who display the symptoms of the true problem.

albionmoonlight 11-19-2008 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 1889842)
They know in detail about Sarah Palin's pregnant teenage daughter, but they don't know which party controls congress, who Harry Reid is, or who Nancy Pelosi is. They know that Sarah Palin said "I can see Russia from my house", even though it was Tina Fey who said it. They think it was Palin who said she campaigned in 57 states (even though Obama said it). They think that the candidate who is a former plagiarist must be John McCain. Just a few-- the list goes on and on.



The guy making this video had an interview with the fivethirtyeight guys, which is up on their site. Hilarious.

JonInMiddleGA 11-19-2008 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1890093)
It's an indictment of the current political campaign process, not the voters who display the symptoms of the true problem.


I'd have to disagree (at least I do if I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly).

The current process works, in part, because there's a lot of voters who simply aren't all that bright. Those voters aren't suddenly rendered stupid because of the process, most of them start out that way & don't bother to improve the situation.

Ronnie Dobbs2 11-19-2008 08:26 AM

I agree wholeheartedly with Jon. This campaign (not the result per se) would have look a lot different if the targets of the campaign were not willfully/unwillfully uninformed.

Big Fo 11-19-2008 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 1890096)
The guy making this video had an interview with the fivethirtyeight guys, which is up on their site. Hilarious.


Heh that was great. Nate Silver <3

Mizzou B-ball fan 11-19-2008 08:56 AM

So Al Qaeda thinks that Obama is a house slave/Uncle Tom????? Good lord.

FOXNews.com - Al Qaeda No. 2 in Video Calls Obama Dishonorable - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

Surtt 11-19-2008 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1889676)
I don't have any problem so far with how Obama has been setting up his cabinet. Since people on the right seem to be upset at the "no new faces" and people on the left seem to be upset at the "lack of balls" then he must be doing something right :)

That said, I think Jimmy Carter helped prove that you can't just bring a bunch of people who are strangers to Washington in and expect everything to go smoothly. You need to have people that are familiar with the ins and outs.


Then he should have run on a platform of experiance, like Hillery.
He just burned up all his goodwill and he hasn't even been sworn in yet....

Change???
Hiring everyone from the Clinton administration is not change.

Right now I feel coned.

lordscarlet 11-19-2008 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surtt (Post 1890184)
Then he should have run on a platform of experiance, like Hillery.
He just burned up all his goodwill and he hasn't even been sworn in yet....

Change???
Hiring everyone from the Clinton administration is not change.

Right now I feel coned.


Just to be a little defensive, I believe Obama was running on change compared to the last 8 years, not the last 16. I believe that's how most of his supporters saw it as well. Granted, he ran on "change" against Hillary as well, and I'm sure that is your retort. Having said that, most dems aren't going to mind a few Clinton people in the white house, they still have a lot of supporters.

Flasch186 11-19-2008 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 1890088)
Nothing shocking. Simply a very well played campaign by the DNC.


for once and in contrast to the spectacularness that was the Bush campaigns.


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