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Edward64 02-29-2020 07:52 AM

A win for Trump. It may well change to a loss but, for now, definitely a good thing for the US.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/29/polit...ing/index.html
Quote:

After a week-long "reduction in violence," the US and Taliban have signed a historic agreement Saturday, which would set into motion the drawdown of US troops from Afghanistan and potentially pave the way to ending America's longest-fought war.

The agreement was signed in Doha, Qatar, by US Special Representative for Afghanistan Reconciliation Zalmay Khalilzad -- the chief US negotiator in the talks with the Taliban -- and Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar -- the Taliban's chief negotiator. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo witnessed the signing.
Speaking at the ceremony, Pompeo said the US "will closely watch the Taliban's compliance with their commitments, and calibrate the pace of our withdrawal to their actions."

"This is how (we) will ensure that Afghanistan never again serves for international terrorists," Pompeo said.

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper was in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Saturday for a joint declaration ceremony with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani.

According to Afghanistan's national security adviser Hamdullah Mohib, the joint US-NATO-Afghan declaration includes an 18-month withdrawal of foreign troops.

"But it is conditional on the agreement between the Taliban and the United States. If those conditions are not met, this date will also change," he said.

QuikSand 02-29-2020 12:36 PM

The text of the “peace deal” is much closer to being “an agreement on how to work toward a peace deal,” but we can still expect the media silos to rapidly toe their respective lines.

JPhillips 02-29-2020 02:19 PM

Trump seems desperate to make a deal, so I expect he'll be pretty forgiving as the deadline for full withdrawal gets closer. He's clearly naive if he thinks the Taliban are going to start killing terrorists for us.

But it's reignited the Trump/Bolton feud, and I can't get enough of that.

RainMaker 02-29-2020 06:10 PM

We should cut a deal and get out. War is lost. Saving face while Americans die in vain is silly.

Thomkal 03-01-2020 07:36 PM

A Federal judge has ruled that Ken Cuccinelli's appointment as acting head of US Citizenship and Immigration Services was in violation of the Federal Vacancies and Reform Act and all policies put in place by him are now void as a result:


Federal judge rules Ken Cuccinelli unlawfully ran immigration agency

JPhillips 03-02-2020 07:54 AM

The Taliban have broken the truce already.

That went well.

bronconick 03-02-2020 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3266573)
A win for Trump. It may well change to a loss but, for now, definitely a good thing for the US.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/29/polit...ing/index.html


3 days


Edward64 03-02-2020 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3266730)
3 days


Searched for it but didn't see anything yet on MSM. I'll wait to read about it in case twitter is premature or fake news.

JPhillips 03-02-2020 04:43 PM

It’s just shocking that no one is willing to refuse to praise Trump during virus updates. You’d think someone would stand up for their own dignity.

kingfc22 03-02-2020 04:53 PM

Thank you great leader...

RainMaker 03-02-2020 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3266731)
Searched for it but didn't see anything yet on MSM. I'll wait to read about it in case twitter is premature or fake news.

Afghanistan: bomb attack kills three as Taliban ends partial truce | World news | The Guardian

We should get out anyway. They already won.

Mike Lowe 03-02-2020 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3266538)


Elements of Medical. New band name.

Edward64 03-02-2020 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3266824)
We should get out anyway


I don't disagree.

I do wonder WTF is going on with the 5,000 prisoners that were supposed to be released. I can easily believe US making that commitment without firm Afghan government agreement though.

JPhillips 03-03-2020 12:58 PM

While I think we should have gotten out of Afghanistan years ago, Trump doing a phone call with one of the founders of the Taliban is not a good look.

kingfc22 03-03-2020 08:20 PM

Looking forward to the Burisma investigation being announced tomorrow by Barr.

JPhillips 03-03-2020 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3267088)
Looking forward to the Burisma investigation being announced tomorrow by Barr.


Did you miss that Ron Johnson started yesterday?

RainMaker 03-03-2020 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 3267088)
Looking forward to the Burisma investigation being announced tomorrow by Barr.


The whole thing was horribly corrupt, but Hunter technically didn't break any laws. And the public seems numb to corruption and sort of just accepting of it at this point. So who knows if it has any impact.

I'm also sure they'll be digging up Rosemont Capital too.

PilotMan 03-03-2020 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3267108)
The whole thing was horribly corrupt, but Hunter technically didn't break any laws. And the public seems numb to corruption and sort of just accepting of it at this point. So who knows if it has any impact.

I'm also sure they'll be digging up Rosemont Capital too.



I'm guessing this is because the public believes that this sort of thing goes on in business and politics more frequently than not. Take a look at the way the first family does things. It's hard to believe that of all the corrupt things in the world, that go on between private citizens and foreign countries that this is the primary threat/topic that the Senate would be tracking down to root out. I mean, it's more than just opportunistic politics.

RainMaker 03-03-2020 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3267129)
I'm guessing this is because the public believes that this sort of thing goes on in business and politics more frequently than not. Take a look at the way the first family does things. It's hard to believe that of all the corrupt things in the world, that go on between private citizens and foreign countries that this is the primary threat/topic that the Senate would be tracking down to root out. I mean, it's more than just opportunistic politics.


Maybe. I'm just surprised whenever I see a story about Trump giving something to China a day after his daughter secures some patents and no one cares. Either we don't care as a country or we're so beaten down by it that we just assume it is part of life.

Republicans will go hard after him, but I don't think it's going to to sway any votes. Forces Democrats to give up the high ground on corruption, but like I said, that probably doesn't even matter anymore.

PilotMan 03-03-2020 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3267141)
Maybe. I'm just surprised whenever I see a story about Trump giving something to China a day after his daughter secures some patents and no one cares. Either we don't care as a country or we're so beaten down by it that we just assume it is part of life.

Republicans will go hard after him, but I don't think it's going to to sway any votes. Forces Democrats to give up the high ground on corruption, but like I said, that probably doesn't even matter anymore.



I may be jaded, but I don't think it's going to matter at all, and I find it hard to give the R's any sort of high, moral ground on the issue.

Atocep 03-03-2020 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3267141)
Maybe. I'm just surprised whenever I see a story about Trump giving something to China a day after his daughter secures some patents and no one cares. Either we don't care as a country or we're so beaten down by it that we just assume it is part of life.

Republicans will go hard after him, but I don't think it's going to to sway any votes. Forces Democrats to give up the high ground on corruption, but like I said, that probably doesn't even matter anymore.


The GOP has taken so much power by letting the Dems take the moral high ground I don't think anyone cares anymore. We need a couple "normal" presidencies and a GOP rebrand to reset and get back to anyone really giving a shit about corruption.

JPhillips 03-04-2020 09:33 PM

Sure is a shame the Dems aren't allowed to investigate anything anymore.


Edward64 03-04-2020 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3267150)
We need a couple "normal" presidencies and a GOP rebrand to reset and get back to anyone really giving a shit about corruption.


And "normal" starts with Biden ...

RainMaker 03-05-2020 02:37 PM

It was fun while it lasted. I know why they did it and all, but there is so much money entrenched in these wars that it just becomes impossible to get out.




Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3267261)
Sure is a shame the Dems aren't allowed to investigate anything anymore.



Dems so upset with kids grifting off the Presidency they're going to nominate someone who's kid grifted off the Presidency.

Thomkal 03-05-2020 06:57 PM

A federal judge has questioned how Barr handled the revealing of the Mueller Report and has ordered the DOJ to give him a totally un
redacted copy of the report by March 30 so he can go over it and decide what can be released to the public


https://thehill.com/regulation/court...mueller-report

Thomkal 03-05-2020 07:21 PM

Remember Aaron Schock, former Congressman from Illinois who resigned over a funds scandal in 2015? There were rumors he was gay at the time too. He finally admitted it today saying family and religious pressure kept him from revealing it. He voted against every measure that would have helped LGBT people and said he was following the lead of the leader of the Republican party at the time John McCain and that both Hilary Clinton and Obama were of the same thought at the time.



Then didn't apologize for the harm he caused with his positions.


Ex-U.S. Rep. Aaron Schock comes out as gay - News - Journal Star - Peoria, IL

JPhillips 03-05-2020 10:18 PM

Watching a room full of "Christians" applaud when Trump says you can't turn the other cheek, is really jarring.

QuikSand 03-06-2020 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3267387)
Watching a room full of "Christians" applaud when Trump says you can't turn the other cheek, is really jarring.


It's the boiling frog. 2+2=5, now. All of it.

albionmoonlight 03-06-2020 08:58 AM

Report: Russian Election Trolling Is Becoming Subtler, Tougher To Detect : NPR

JPhillips 03-06-2020 07:35 PM

Mick Mulvaney canned and Mark Meadows named new Chief.

Thomkal 03-06-2020 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3267446)
Mick Mulvaney canned and Mark Meadows named new Chief.



Good thing he saw the writing on the wall and decided not to run for re-election.

Edward64 03-07-2020 08:31 AM

Looks like another purge happening in Saudi Arabia and MBS further consolidating power.

I don't really care much what happens in their internal, extended family power struggles. We are frenemies with them now, it'll continue for a while, and the US will continue to do what is needed regardless of who is at the head of the snake ... but their importance will continue to decrease (go Elon and like).

RainMaker 03-07-2020 03:25 PM

A reminder that Saudi Arabia was one of the biggest sources of funding for Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the Taliban. They continue to help finance them. They are our friends.

Edward64 03-08-2020 08:52 AM

Sweet, flooding the market and a nice price war. I do hope the domestic shale oil producers survive though.

Subscribe to read | Financial Times
Quote:

Saudi Arabia has launched an aggressive oil price war targeting its biggest rivals after Russia refused to join production cuts with Opec, in a move that threatens to swamp the crude market with supplies just as the coronavirus outbreak hits demand.

Saudi Arabia will raise production and offer its crude at deep discounts to win new customers next month, according to two people familiar with the country’s oil policy, which risks sending prices tumbling further. Oil prices had already dropped by a third since January to near $45 a barrel.

The kingdom plans to pump more than 10m barrels a day next month while announcing unprecedented discounts of almost 20 per cent in key markets, in an apparent attempt to punish Russia, while squeezing the US shale industry and other higher cost producers.
:
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The fall in oil prices risks new turmoil in the kingdom, as MBS’s plan to modernise the economy relies at least in part on higher energy revenues to fund the transformation.

Shares in Saudi Aramco, the state oil company, dropped almost 9 per cent on Sunday, falling below its December stock market listing price. The broader Saudi stock market sank more than 8 per cent.

JPhillips 03-08-2020 12:29 PM

Why do so many Trump adjacent folks think bragging about how little sleep he gets makes him look better?

NobodyHere 03-08-2020 01:22 PM

It makes him look vigorous and a hard worker. If you believe it.

RainMaker 03-08-2020 05:28 PM

Oil futures down to $30. Going to be a bloodbath Monday.

Thomkal 03-08-2020 07:10 PM

Ted Cruz says he shook hands with the person who has come down with the virus at CPAC. Says he will self-quarantine

NobodyHere 03-08-2020 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3267542)
Ted Cruz says he shook hands with the person who has come down with the virus at CPAC. Says he will self-quarantine


If only he self quarantined 20 years ago

Edward64 03-08-2020 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3267540)
Oil futures down to $30. Going to be a bloodbath Monday.


Futures currently down 1,000+

Currently Dow at 25,864. High was about 29,500 so 20% bear market is 23,600 ... so about another 2,300 to go.

Coronavirus news is only going to get worse before getting better, so my guess is we'll get the 20% bear market.

JPhillips 03-08-2020 08:18 PM

Trump retweeted a Q meme apparently.

JPhillips 03-08-2020 10:17 PM

dola

Japan economy contracted by 7% in Q1.

30 year Treasury dropped below 1% yield. Crazy.

PilotMan 03-08-2020 10:34 PM

This is a hoax driven by the media to make you afraid! {sorry my FB feed is full of this}



Still though, no answer for how the (Amercian) media is so powerful that foreign countries are basing all their decisions off of them.



Of course, a friend told me tonight; "It's JUST A COLD!!"

cartman 03-09-2020 08:40 AM

so I wonder if Edward considers the stock market drop of 1900 points a loss for Trump

Galaril 03-09-2020 08:45 AM

Wow they halted trading.

Lathum 03-09-2020 08:49 AM

I have now lost over 100K in the last week.

The rational side of me knows I am in this for the long haul, but that is tough to look at.

Kodos 03-09-2020 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3267604)
Wow they halted trading.



That shouldn't induce panic or anything...

Galaril 03-09-2020 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3267606)
That shouldn't induce panic or anything...


Yeah no kidding. I am wondering when was the last time the stock market “circuit breaker” was flipped to temporarily halt trading?

lungs 03-09-2020 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3267602)
so I wonder if Edward considers the stock market drop of 1900 points a loss for Trump


DJIA just passed 24000, big win for Trump!

lungs 03-09-2020 09:04 AM

Dola

I guess you could say this is good timing for me personally as I’m about to be eligible for my company’s 401K. Though it doesn’t change the fact that I’m starting at 37 and had my retirement savings wiped out entirely the past few years.

Galaril 03-09-2020 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3267602)
so I wonder if Edward considers the stock market drop of 1900 points a loss for Trump


Check later he is busy dumping stock.

Edward64 03-09-2020 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3267602)
so I wonder if Edward considers the stock market drop of 1900 points a loss for Trump


Just as I didn't give Trump all the credit for the market highs, I'm not going to give him all the blame in the fall.

Fair and balanced. Try to look at all sides and apply blame proportionately.

Edward64 03-09-2020 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3267613)

Check later he is busy dumping stock.


Nah. My only speculative stock is SPCE and its a small holding. Everything else I consider pretty good stocks/funds/ETFs and will hold for the long run.

Galaril 03-09-2020 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3267618)
Nah. My only speculative stock is SPCE and its a small holding. Everything else I consider pretty good stocks/funds/ETFs and will hold for the long run.


That is smart. I just recovered from a divorce 7 years back and remarriage 2 years ago but am going to be reentering the market with my new companies 401k so looks to be a good time to get in this year.

Warhammer 03-09-2020 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3267507)
Sweet, flooding the market and a nice price war. I do hope the domestic shale oil producers survive though.

Subscribe to read | Financial Times


From talking to some in the industry last year, one of the advantages of fracking is the ability to turn it on and off rapidly. I think the big issue concern with the smaller guys is punching a lot of holes (where the investment largely is), then getting hit with something like this.

The guys I was talking to said most of those smaller guys got out after the last bubble though.

spleen1015 03-09-2020 09:18 AM

Stop worrying guys. Trump's going to fix it, perfectly.

Everything is going to be perfectly OK.

Kodos 03-09-2020 09:22 AM

He's got this locked down. He doesn't want to say locked down, but locked down.

Edward64 03-09-2020 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warhammer (Post 3267620)
From talking to some in the industry last year, one of the advantages of fracking is the ability to turn it on and off rapidly. I think the big issue concern with the smaller guys is punching a lot of holes (where the investment largely is), then getting hit with something like this.


I did read that also where fracking companies can pause. This may be different though because it seems like an all out, no holds barred price war between SA and Russia. I've also read that SA has the lowest costs to produce oil so they'll come out bruised but probably okay.

I do like to think that our oil producing enemies & frenemies in the region will be hit hard and they no longer get to easily build their desert playgrounds, buy expensive cars on the US and world's addiction to their oil (hurry up Elon and like).

JPhillips 03-09-2020 09:44 AM

I've read that there are worries some energy companies are leveraged to a point where a medium-term disruption to prices could cause major problems.

If we had a functioning foreign policy we'd be all over the Saudis right now.

Edward64 03-09-2020 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3267619)
That is smart. I just recovered from a divorce 7 years back and remarriage 2 years ago but am going to be reentering the market with my new companies 401k so looks to be a good time to get in this year.


Yeah, everything I've read say hold (assuming you have confidence in your portfolio) and play for the long run. But it is hard though to see $X now come down to 15% less ... and likely more losses in the near future.

Because I believe a recession (and a bear market) is overdue after an 11 year bull, I personally think it would be best to get that over with now. Still have a chance to hurt Trump's chances albeit many of the less fortunate will be hurt.

Congrats on your new job and great timing. Getting a new job will be harder in this time of uncertainty.

cartman 03-09-2020 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3267616)
Just as I didn't give Trump all the credit for the market highs, I'm not going to give him all the blame in the fall.

Fair and balanced. Try to look at all sides and apply blame proportionately.


But you can't be fair and balanced at the same time. That is Fox News bullshit excuse.

You seem to evaluate things in a vacuum, without realizing any side effects. You also don't seem to apply any weight to the situations, treating them all as if they are equal decisions.

cartman 03-09-2020 09:55 AM

This man is truly an idiot


Edward64 03-09-2020 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3267633)
But you can't be fair and balanced at the same time. That is Fox News bullshit excuse.

You seem to evaluate things in a vacuum, without realizing any side effects. You also don't seem to apply any weight to the situations, treating them all as if they are equal decisions.


FWIW, the "fair and balance" comment was just to trigger you. I don't watch nor support Fox. My go to was MSNBC Morning Joe until it became endless Trump bashing but now prefer CNN Fareed because he is "calm and respectful" in his comments and to his guests.

I evaluate things in a vacuum and don't apply weight to the situations? On a scale of 1 to 10, where Bernie is a 1 and Trump is a 10, most of this forum are probably 1-3, only one I can think of at 10. I consider myself more on the 6-7 range.

Weird you feel that way but okay, whatever.

Lathum 03-09-2020 10:08 AM

Trump is on fire right now on Twitter.

kingfc22 03-09-2020 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3267635)
This man is truly an idiot



Bad at math as well. 22/546 = 4% mortality rate. Probably the wrong numbers to post when you’re leading into a snide “think about that” remark.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!"

cartman 03-09-2020 10:29 AM

He also said he didn't realize that people died from the flu. Take a guess what his grandfather died from.

Lathum 03-09-2020 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3267642)
He also said he didn't realize that people died from the flu. Take a guess what his grandfather died from.


Shame?

NobodyHere 03-09-2020 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3267643)
Shame?


:lol:

Edward64 03-09-2020 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3267643)
Shame?


Yeah, that's a good one.

But wouldn't be surprised if his grandfather was like him.

albionmoonlight 03-09-2020 10:38 AM

There would be a strange irony if the GOP, which for years has motivated people by fear and disgust (i.e. “dirty immigrants”) is undone by people over reacting to disease.

cartman 03-09-2020 10:40 AM

Wiener’s Circle Offers 3-Inch ‘Trump Footlong’ Ahead of Candidate’s Chicago Rally – NBC Chicago

cartman 03-09-2020 10:42 AM


albionmoonlight 03-09-2020 11:39 AM

If they’re not saying anything, then they can’t be lying.

BYU 14 03-09-2020 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3267648)


This is what you get when you put someone with no expertise (outside of fellating big pharm) in his field of expertise. Trump could give a fuck about qualifications in his admin as long as you Parrot his message of greatness.

JPhillips 03-09-2020 04:56 PM

Trump has asked the AG to look into media coverage of the coronavirus.

Edward64 03-09-2020 09:35 PM

Interested in the details to paid sick leave & payroll tax holiday. The former is more geared towards hourly employees and it won't help me. The payroll tax holiday might may help me but then at the cost of hurting SSN in the long run and the deficit.

Overall, probably needed for the consumers so won't complain.

Jas_lov 03-09-2020 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3267739)
Interested in the details to paid sick leave & payroll tax holiday. The former is more geared towards hourly employees and it won't help me. The payroll tax holiday might may help me but then at the cost of hurting SSN in the long run and the deficit.

Overall, probably needed for the consumers so won't complain.


A win for Trump

Bee 03-10-2020 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3267741)
A win for Trump


:D

Atocep 03-10-2020 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3267739)
Interested in the details to paid sick leave & payroll tax holiday. The former is more geared towards hourly employees and it won't help me. The payroll tax holiday might may help me but then at the cost of hurting SSN in the long run and the deficit.

Overall, probably needed for the consumers so won't complain.


There are no details because Trump pulled it out of his ass to manipulate...i mean...calm the markets yesterday.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...exist-n1154066

Edward64 03-10-2020 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3267739)
Interested in the details to paid sick leave & payroll tax holiday. The former is more geared towards hourly employees and it won't help me. The payroll tax holiday might may help me but then at the cost of hurting SSN in the long run and the deficit.

Overall, probably needed for the consumers so won't complain.



Proposal is 0% payroll tax for rest of year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/trum...cials-say.html
Quote:

President Donald Trump, in a meeting with Republican lawmakers Tuesday on Capitol Hill, pitched a 0% payroll tax rate for employers and employees that would last through the rest of this year, a White House official told CNBC.
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Payroll taxes are paid by employers and employees. They are used to fund Social Security, Medicare and other government programs. For Social Security, employee wages are subject to a 6.2% tax up to $137,700. Workers pay a Medicare tax of 1.45%. Employers match what employees contribute by kicking in 6.2% toward Social Security and 1.45% for Medicare.

QuikSand 03-10-2020 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3267792)
Proposal is 0% payroll tax for rest of year.[/url]


But the important thing is that it lasts through early November, then fuck 'em.

Butter 03-10-2020 04:13 PM

Intentionally trying to bankrupt Social Security and Medicare.

There's a tactic

Edward64 03-10-2020 04:14 PM

Nothing on sick pay which is needed for the hourly folks.

NobodyHere 03-10-2020 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3267796)
Nothing on sick pay which is needed for the hourly folks.


If only the Democrats would've came out AGAINST this. Then the Republicans would've passed it in a heartbeat.

Reverse psychology you know.

NobodyHere 03-10-2020 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3267795)
Intentionally trying to bankrupt Social Security and Medicare.

There's a tactic


Aren't they bankrupt already?

This is what our social security fund is like:


GrantDawg 03-10-2020 04:25 PM

Not only for the end of the year, they are also floating making the cuts permenant. How much would that blow up the deficit? Exactly how long before they then push to end Social Security and Medicare?

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Edward64 03-10-2020 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3267799)
Aren't they bankrupt already?

This is what our social security fund is like:



Don't think bankrupt is the right term but point is taken.

That's why we need more babies. And legal immigrants (so easy to make it happen).

bronconick 03-10-2020 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3267801)
Not only for the end of the year, they are also floating making the cuts permenant. How much would that blow up the deficit? Exactly how long before they then push to end Social Security and Medicare?

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk


January 2021 during Trump's second term

Edward64 03-10-2020 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3267801)
Not only for the end of the year, they are also floating making the cuts permenant. How much would that blow up the deficit? Exactly how long before they then push to end Social Security and Medicare?


Didn't see that in my CNBC link, I can't imagine making the 0% payroll tax cut permanent.

PilotMan 03-11-2020 08:05 AM

I just want to say, it's a good thing we've been pimping this economy with all this stimulus. A trillion a year, so we should easily be able to handle....wait...what did you say? He said, "we're going to spend more...to bail out the economy?"...but, it's the best it's ever been! Surely it can survive this with minimal problems. Besides, bailouts are for Socialists!



So how bad does the deficit get this year?


Does it matter? Or is it still Obama's fault?

QuikSand 03-11-2020 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3267804)
I can't imagine {doing something really stupid}


The last three years should keep all of us from hanging our hats on phrases that sound like this.

Like... we're totally going to do the trillion dollar coin thing in Trump's second term, aren't we? We definitely are.

PilotMan 03-11-2020 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3267969)
The last three years should keep all of us from hanging our hats on phrases that sound like this.

Like... we're totally going to do the trillion dollar coin thing in Trump's second term, aren't we? We definitely are.



Only if he can put his face on it.

JPhillips 03-11-2020 09:41 AM

Trump and the WH have no plan and the GOP Senate doesn't want to write a bill. It's all just pulling things from their backsides in the hope of calming the markets.

We'll eventually pass something, but I wouldn't get too worked up about any of the ideas being floated by the WH.

Butter 03-11-2020 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3267969)
The last three years should keep all of us from hanging our hats on phrases that sound like this.

Like... we're totally going to do the trillion dollar coin thing in Trump's second term, aren't we? We definitely are.


I've already stocked up on wheelbarrows so I can get bread.

QuikSand 03-11-2020 10:38 AM

This will go viral quickly, for sure... good synthesis, and well put...


Edward64 03-11-2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3267982)
I've already stocked up on wheelbarrows so I can get bread.


Easy to bake bread. Stock up on flour instead.

Mix flour, yeast, warm water, salt. Let it rise 4-5 hours. Knead & shape it with a little more flour, brush & coat it with egg. Let it sit for 30-40 min. Bake at 375 for 40 min.

And viola, you have bread.

Lathum 03-11-2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3267984)
This will go viral quickly, for sure... good synthesis, and well put...



This is great. I totally relate to that guy, minus the fuckton of money and desire to buy a boat.

RainMaker 03-11-2020 01:55 PM

For an economy that I have been repeatedly told is the strongest it's ever been, the administration sure is freaking the fuck out about the markets dropping. A week and a half of negative returns and we have massive tax cuts and bailouts on the table.

Warhammer 03-11-2020 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3268042)
For an economy that I have been repeatedly told is the strongest it's ever been, the administration sure is freaking the fuck out about the markets dropping. A week and a half of negative returns and we have massive tax cuts and bailouts on the table.


The main thing Trump has been hanging his hat on is how the economy has been going. If we go into a recession, he can't hang hit hat on that, and he is worried about getting re-elected.

RainMaker 03-11-2020 02:55 PM

Markets now down 20% for its high. Official end to the 11-year bull market. Just going to avoid looking at my IRA for awhile.


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