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Thankfully, it's working. There's years of bullshit like permissiveness-as-a-"value" and other left-wing propaganda to overcome, it's not reasonable to expect positive change overnight nor for it to occur without effort. Quote:
To you & your liberal cronies perhaps. To most Americans however, it's clearly an issue. Quote:
It takes time to educate the public on the mistakes that we've made. Whether allowing it to be built in the first place could be fairly debated I suppose, the fact that it still exists today however is just one example of a national lack of good judgment among too many to count. I'm realistic, I don't expect all of those to be corrected overnight. I mean, that's a nice pipe dream & all, but it simply isn't realistic & I know that. One step at a time, that's the way progress will have to come. |
Glad that you think people who are Americans, whose only connection with the foreigners that perpetrated the attacks was a book that they obviously interpreted in vastly different ways, suddenly ceased to be Americans in your eyes on 9/12/2001.
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The Dred Scott decision and Plessy v. Ferguson are perfect examples of the will of the people being dead wrong, and eventually being corrected. |
Well, I will agree with JIMG that rights extend only so far as the people want them to... which is why we must remain ever vigilant against their erosion (which was not JIMG's point, but it is what I take from it)
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Tensions Flare Over Proposed Mosque on Staten Island - NYTimes.com
Some of this shit is ridiculous: “Wouldn’t you agree that every terrorist, past and present, has come out of a mosque?” asked one woman who stood up Wednesday night during a civic association meeting on Staten Island to address representatives of a group that wants to convert a Roman Catholic convent into a mosque in the Midland Beach neighborhood. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? |
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Lowest common denominator. A majority of Americans are uneducated or undereducated idiots. We don't see it as much here locally because of where we are, but it's true. There's a lot of stupid, bigoted people in this country. |
Anyway, in real news, the court decision to put a hold on stem cell research is certainly disappointing.
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Hugely. But unlike some people I'm not going to advocate for getting rid of the Judiciary branch because of that. |
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Yes and many don't even know it. |
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I'm just saying that I've met a lot of "bigots" that would never vote for a Republican. |
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I don't think you're using the word correctly. Particularly as it's used in the modern sense, rather than in the "obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices" more general definition. And even then I'd argue that never voting Republican doesn't make one intolerant at all. Certainly not by the dictionary definition of intolerant. And obstinance - well everyone will claim that the person that disagrees with them is being obstinant by the dictionary definition. Never voting for a Republican doesn't make you obstinate or intolerant. Nice try though Dutch. |
Haha, you had to google "bigot". Stupid people...they are EVERYWHERE!!!
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Really? This type of banter is the main reason I keep coming back here. You and Jon (and many more) manage to be very entertaining as well as thoughtful. If I want reasonable and informative dialogue I'll listen to NPR. FWIW my new pet peeve is posting "official" definitions to make a point. Language is as language does. |
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I included so that there could be no argument about my definition of the word, not because I needed to look it up. |
BREAKING NEWS EVERYBODY
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Now back to whatever mundane thing you guys were talking about... |
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My guess is that he is using the word bigot to apply to people like Louis Farrakhan and his "ilk" who would fit very nicely into your definition. |
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True - they would. I'm not about to sit here and defend the Nation of Islam. I could care less about their religion, but I'm not about to defend them on any grounds really. So I hope nobody was looking forward to seeing that. |
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I'm pretty sure I didn't mean obvious extremists. Plus, I haven't "met" Mr Farrakhan. :) I'll bet I meant regular folk like you and me. |
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Oddly enough though, since you said something nice about me earlier in the same post, I'm probably one of the more notorious here for doing the definition thing (re: "enemy"). I'll defend the technique in general though because while primary usage may be subject to the whims of public opinion, sometimes a definition is very useful when you're using a word in a way that may not be as familiar even though it is technically correct. |
Nate Silver's new senate model is up. Right now, it has the Dems at 52 seats.
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The GOP candidates in KY, CT, FL, NV and CO make it very difficult to imagine a GOP Senate next year.
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Russ Feingold is getting a run for his money here in WI but the Feingold Machine and local liberal media is starting to chew his opponent to mincemeat and I'm not sure RonJohnson is a seasoned enough candidate to fight back.
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But if it happened, especially with those people, it would almost guarantee another Dem wave election in 2012. |
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Johnson's another nutcase that's making it harder for the GOP to win, |
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I'm sort of surprised how well Angle is doing in Nevada. I know Reid is a fuck-up, but that chick is fucking looney. Florida should be one of the funnest races of all. Will be interesting to see if Crist can get enough Democrats to say "fuck it" and dump their guy who has no shot for him. |
*sighs* If true (and right now I think it is), then some of the folks stirring up the Islam-hatred have some 'splainin to do:
Cab Driver Stabbed: 'Are You Muslim?' Question Leads to Hate Crime Charge - ABC News |
Should we be suspicious of all white people now?
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We should certainly not let someone build a church anywhere near a taxicab.
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This does provide yet another use for the Leatherman.
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This adds a bit of complexity to the story.
What We Know About Michael Enright, The Alleged Slasher Of The Muslim Cabbie | TPMMuckraker What a weird turn of events for this guy, or so it seems. |
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"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." (Even after the primaries JPhillips is still stuck on the ridicule stage while at least the rest of his party has moved to the fight stage) LOL. Keep reading your liberal blogs. I will bet right now at least 3 of those seats go to repub's and besides CT think it will probably be four. How much you willing to go? Of course there will be 300 more Rand Paul smear articles by November, but guess what? He is still going to win. Paul wins easily. McMahon (deservedly because it should be Peter Schiff and not someone who contributed to Rahm Emanuel's campaign) loses big. Rubio wins even fighting against the Republicrat double ticket. Angle wins over the majority leader of this popular senate. I know very little about Colorado. |
I'd guess three wins for the GOP.
Look at all the polls. In almost every case the more mainstream candidate was polling better than the person that won. In each of these states the candidate selected in the primary was the lesser choice. I don't know why that's so personally insulting for you. |
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You pick the five "tea party" canidates (though I would say McMahon is a joke) and choose to say they are the weak ones. I guess you can try to spin it in November but most of this country is pissed off at both parties and these are the "outsiders" that will win. LOL that you are guessing 3 when your first post implied very little chance for any of them. |
Plus it isn't really personally insulting. Outside of Paul (and I don't really like his views on the Middle East) these guys aren't my cup of tea. I am more amused at the liberals putting down these candidates as easier to beat. These are the ones that are going to win big. (Obviously again with the exception of CT again where Linda McMahon is almost as bad as just letting Dodd run again)
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No, my first post implied that the choices of candidates makes it difficult to see a GOP takeover in the Senate. (Hint: You can tell because that's what it said!)
I'm also a little surprised to see you so strongly backing candidates that are spouting the GOP party line on foreign policy and in every case but Paul, supporting a Christian Conservative domestic policy. They may talk the talk on spending, but unless they're lying they really aren't anything but hard right Republicans. Which, of course, is why the more moderate candidates were polling better in the two way polls. |
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I am a fan of Rand's father, think Rand could go more radical once elected, and could care less about the other 4. Just helping soften the blow when they win in November. |
Liberals aren't putting them down as easier to beat, polling data is.
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Just to set a benchmark date for future reference (since I was curious where things stood atm anyway) ... from the latest Rasmussen Paul leads 49-40 on 8/18 (leads 51-41 with leaners included) Buck leads 46-41 on 8/12 Rubio leads 38-33-21 on 8/11 (if Meek), Crist led 37-36-20 if Greene had won Angle is tied 47-47 on 8/18 (but leads with leaners included 50-48) McMahon trails 47-40 on 8/13 (trailed 56-33 in June) |
Would much rather have Obama and the liberals end the war in the middle East, end the useless drug war, and stop spending so much than I would have the Neo-con nuts back in power that want to invade Iran and build a giant church in Pakistan. But Obama hasn't come close to any of my wishes for him so I guess I will have to see if this new set of Republicans cater more towards the Libertarians. (My guess is they won't)
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Interestingly enough I almost mentioned that same thing. Rand looks like a guy who is always just one press conference away from blowing his lead & about two press conferences away from getting himself beat. edit to add: And if his dad keeps shooting off his mouth (like the mosque flap), then the margin for error with conservative voters gets even smaller. |
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Yeah I never understood why they have those pesky primary elections where the people can show they are pissed off at the government. They should just run the candidate that can talk about how bad Obama is or how bad Bush was. Those tea partiers really have no right voting in majority numbers in any of those elections. |
Jon: I think the RCP averages give us a better picture by aggregating multiple polls.
CT- Blumenthal +8.5 KY- Paul +5.5 FL- Rubio +1.4 CO- Buck +2.8 NV- Reid +1.5 |
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You and JPhillips seem to being agreeing with JimGA about who the Republicans should run. I think I will just leave it at that, not much more needs to be said about the man who wants to end the enemy. |
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FWIW please infer no bias, political or otherwise, on my part with the ones I quoted. I had just finished reading something from Ras a little earlier & knew I could pop it up in my browser easily to get something quick. |
I'm not saying anything about who they should vote for, I'm merely pointing out that the people that were chosen poll worse than the more mainstream candidates. That's factual whether you like it or not.
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I didn't, I just thought RCP provides a clearer picture. |
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??? I supported Rubio, Angle, and McMahon in their bids for nomination, wasn't particularly disturbed about Paul as I recall, didn't follow Buck's race closely enough to have a formed a strong opinion. If I've been reading JP and SB correctly, that's not the position they're taking. |
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Hmm, maybe panerd's comparison in our thoughts was meant to be limited to Rand P, and that limitation just went over my head. Hadn't thought of it that way before my previous ??? to him. That said, I'm gonna guess you mean Kentucky instead of Tennessee here? In TN, the top of the ballot this year is the governor's race & the (R) there does indeed lead 56-31. |
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Just pointing out that the R's are performing more to expectations in TN ;) |
Rand Paul is gonna win? That's so 2 weeks ago panerd. Everybody in KY is coming out against him since he's talked about the war on drugs not being an issue there in KY and cutting funding for that and stuff.
He's in serious trouble. And if Angle wins, with her absolute batshit looney ideas (and look, i really dislike Reid), that says something seriously significant about NV voters lack of intelligence. |
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