None at all. They never had met before all of this. Sophia's father was the abusive son of a bitch who died in the tent in the first season.

Darryl just really wanted the girl to be alive is all.

I think things just got very confusing down there. People got scattered, it was dark, they were extremely tired, and they were biting off a lot more than they could chew.

By the looks and sounds of things they have just been nibbling around the edges all winter and for the last few months and then tried to get and eat the whole enchillada at once there with the prison.

I'm fine with Carl doing a bit of growing up. He feels responsible for Dale's death and it has been 7-8 months for him to come into his own.

That's a great point to point out that they had never met. I'm well aware of when the husband died (same time whatsherface's sister was bit). But they never did say much of the relationship at the time of everyone. It's very possible that some of them knew each other. Especially with his explosion. Hellsbells these people are so redneck they not only could have interbred but they're probably all related ;)

I loved Herschel with the cockblock on Carl.

I'm ok with it happening, I'm not ok with one of the most important shifts in any character over the course of the series not even happening in a time lapse, but just being implied between seasons.

Agreed.


Also, SWAT TEAM ZOMBIES. Dude I was watching the episode with said that it was like they just moved on to the next difficulty in a video game... Zombie Armor +10. Perfect.

So anyway, I take it the season 3 premiere did not disappoint? Is it playing anywhere online?

They actually first figured it out in the prison with Allen (the twins' dad). He ended up surviving for awhile, but eventually passed away. Later on, they tried again with the survivor you mention, which ends up working for quite awhile until the scenario you mentioned..

I thought it was fantastic, as far as red meat goes. The Michonne/Andrea stuff was a little weak, but the prison stuff was great.

Seems as if they may be merging some of the characters (re: Herschel & his daughter) that they killed off earlier in the graphic novels, which I am fine with.

I did a pause and replayed the last scene several times. Looked like there were five prisoners still alive (vs 4 in the GN). Wondering if they merged another GN fan favorite into a fifth prisoner. Also, I assume that was Axel that spoke in the last scene -- I expect he'll become another fan favorite. :)

Did not disappoint. If you catch up by next week, they usually replay the previous week's episode before the new one.

AHHHHHHHH! WTF Dale died because of Carl's dumb ass! Stupid fucking kid!

I think the reason they didn't use their guns was because of the close corridors of the walls and the chance for ricochet bullets. But all of them are phenomenal shots now, so maybe not.

My question is why would Hershel go anyway? Why not he same five that cleared the courtyard?

Still don't know why they don't literally have hundreds of spears ready to go. Obviously nobody watched 300.

There was a reference earlier about ammo being very low.

Man, the fighting here between DISH and AMC is getting nasty. Just saw an AMC commercial that said "Don't switch to DISH"

i only have online TV and netflix stream

they are available to buy from Itunes, etc for a couple bucks each

The Walking Dead - Google Play

I'd think they will be 1.99 when they become available(tomorrow maybe?)

Not to mention, it's just plain stupid to take your only trained doctor on a recon mission. I can only guess that they took him because they were looking for the infirmary. But still, you need to keep your doctor safe.

I'm still holding out hope that they turn over a large part of this cast soon. It's certainly a possibility from what I've read about the comics....let's make it so.

:lol:

I'm good with that. Pick up in a different country. Maybe a different continent :)

We went over to a friend's house to watch the premiere and the moment Hershel was suiting up to head out with the group, one of the people there said the exact same thing.

I'll say Episode 1 was encouraging - much better than most of last season. Yeah, there were some questionable decisions and dumb moments - for example, why not just poke ALL the zombies through the fence rather than actually going in there? Yeah, it'd take more time, but there's zero risk to everyone. But overall, it was well done and entertaining. Lori wasn't as insufferable as she normally is either.

I also really enjoyed the zombies in the riot gear. As someone who has played hundreds of hours of "Left For Dead 2", I feel their pain.

It also makes for terribly boring television.

Largely obvious, but I think a big part of the storyline (and really most zombie fiction story lines) is getting (or not getting) too comfortable with the walkers. The stuff that seems like stupid or questionable decisions is largely because their experiences generally don't lead to anything too dramatic, especially when there are only one or a handful around.

Yeah. And you can imagine they "honed their craft" during the many hours since we last saw them and got comfortable doing it. It is only when something dramatic happens that it is worthy of being televised.

Good point, but it's SO obvious that it kinda kills the suspension of disbelief. Especially since they were running so low on ammo. It ultimately didn't kill the episode for me, but there was perhaps a better way to do that (especially since we had great hand-to-hand zombie action later in the courtyard and in the prison itself).

I think one thing the premiere did a good job with was showing just how much worse things have gotten over the past few months. Given how the virus works - anyone who dies becomes a zombie - there are just going to be more and more and more of them as time passes. It did feel like there were more of them and a constant threat. It will be interesting to see if that continues throughout the third season.

As was mentioned earlier, this season is setting up the traditional zombie theme going back to "Night of The Living Dead" - its the people who survive who are the real threat - so it will be interesting to see what "role", if you will, zombies will play throughout.

They definitely setup this theme in the "Cold Storage" webisode. That was some bleak shit there.

First of all, awesome to see so much conversation after the episode.

Can someone remind me why they needed to push ahead into the tunnels after clearing the courtyard and then getting the cells? I understand that they want to claim more territory, find resources, etc but I'm not sure why it was remotely a good idea to go into the dark tunnels with 1,001 points of entry/exit in the manner that they did. It would seem to make more sense to continue clearing areas where they could have some recon - like the gate where the armored zombies came from, for example.

Might as well clear out as many walkers as possible in terrain you've scouted - and with good lighting - before you take that plunge into the extra hard part of the prison. Chances seem decent that you would unearth many of the zombies (since they seem to flow like water to the nearest opening, in a manner of speaking) on the terrain of your choosing, and that there would be fewer left in the dark/inside when you finally needed to make that move.

Just finished Compendium One GN book. Holy smokes- if this season is anything like the last few chapters of this book we're in for one hell of a ride. I have Compendium Two on order from Amazon and it can't get here soon enough!

I think your plan is more logical, but they were looking for either the warden's office (to find a map or more logistics about the prison) or the infirmary and/or food storage. Lori being due any day and the scene showing them scrounging for food lend some credence to the premise, even though it seemed way to risky to us.

I thought they found a little bit of ammunition in the prison block, but I could be wrong.

I am guessing the rush was because of Lori's status. So once again, even though Lori did not open her mouth much, she is still being needy and annoying. I also think they were trying to isolate themselves from the rest of the walkers and just leave them on the other side of the gate.

Obviously, Hershel made a lot of mistakes in that sequence that I am guessing will ultimately lead to his death. But I guess he panicked since Maggie and Glenn got cut-off. It will be interested to see if Hershel's other daughter (do we even know her name?) plays a bigger role this season.

They found some ammo in weapons they got from the armored walkers.

Mainly the reason they are pushing in to those areas are because they want, to get to the infirmary, the armory, and the cafeteria. I would assume the armory would be their priority so they can stock up on ammo, guns, etc. Considering they have been running for 8 or so months, they probably aren't used to sitting around and they aren't going to feel very comfortable till all the zombies are cleared.

And her name is Beth. Something tells me her and Carl will be playing doctor soon...

Shouldn't there have been a huge increase in the carrion bird and rat populations?

1) Perhaps there has been; or

2) Perhaps ther is less of one than you think because either: (a) the zombies would eat the rats or carrion birds or (b) for whatever reason the "virus" that makes the dead come alive makes their flesh inedible to rats and carrion birds.

I haven't read the thread..but I had so many other shows to catch up on, I finally started watching this. I will finish Season 1 tonight, Season 2 this week and hope to catch up as well.

That prison would likely be on a USGS survey map like the one they were using to plot the walkers. Although it probably depends on what the scale of their map was.

All in all, I thought their team looked a lot more experienced in how they were working together against the walkers ... right up until they decided to go into the dark interior of the prison and depend on "spray paint on walls" as their route to run back in case of trouble.

Speaking of which ... the relationship that appears to be blooming between the characters -- approximately aged 16/17 & 13 -- wouldn't seem nearly as creepy if the people playing the roles weren't approx 28 and 13.

(Emily Kinney's birthdate isn't on her imdb but Wiki notes that she graduated from college in 2006, so unless she was an early entry prodigy or something then 22+6 = approx 28)

I doubt that they'll have Carl and Beth have any kind of actual relationship. They made it clear he has a bit of a crush on her, which is normal I suppose, but I don't see them taking it too much further than that.

If there isn't a walker with a chainsaw and a bag on his head, I will be sorely disappointed.

Maybe not ... but she clearly seemed open to the prospect, and not just in the "isn't that cute" sort of way.

edit to add: Under the circumstances they're in, 16/17 and 12/13 might not be all that creepy or even odd. I mean, not like she's running into a whole lot of prospects lately. I think the age of the actress has to kill that possibility for the writers though.

Daryl rejecting the suggestion that he lay the pipe was pretty funny.

Well, now I feel much better for being somewhat attracted to her.

I thought they made it pretty clear that they are in a (at least a sexual) relationship. The scene where he said, "I'll go down first..." and her reaction was pretty solid TV writing. :)

Speaking of good lines, I really liked Herschel's comment to ZombMomToBe about how "we've all been dealing with it all winter", or something to that effect. Thought it was a great way to highlight the group's annoyance with that particular personal drama.