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RainMaker 03-07-2009 05:25 PM

Radford is in the tourney. Could give a 2 seed some trouble with their big Center.

Dr. Sak 03-07-2009 05:26 PM

God damn Iowa not only ruins the football season but now basketball. Rot in hell Hawkeyes!!

sooner333 03-07-2009 05:42 PM

Funny that today's events will set up two potential rematches on Thursday of the Big XII...Texas A&M-Missouri and Oklahoma-Oklahoma St. Baylor-Nebraska will play again on Wednesday.

Radii 03-07-2009 05:57 PM

Maryland's NCAA hopes are likely dashed as they lose to a poor Virginia team to close out the regular season. Anything less than a run to the ACC champioship game and there is no way they get in IMO.

Boston College is presumably in but they are limping in in unimpressive fashion, losing to NC State and now needing a shot in the final seconds to beat a very bad Georgia Tech team at home.


And in other ACC news, Nolan Smith is out for Duke against Carolina tomorrow, Zoubek has a broken nose but will play, and Lance Thomas is questionable. For Carolina, Ty Lawson left practice using a crutch on Friday and it isn't clear whether he'll play.

Karlifornia 03-07-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii (Post 1963347)
Zoubek has a broken nose but will play,



I hear the doctors that gave him the go ahead went to Carolina.

Lathum 03-07-2009 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1963325)
Radford is in the tourney. Could give a 2 seed some trouble with their big Center.


I have no knowledge other then what I watched today, but it seems VMI's style and complete lack of rebounding or size made him look better then he is.

dawgfan 03-07-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1963285)
The ball is in Washington's court. Beat your rival, win the conference outright. Lose, only get a share of the title AND you lose the #1 seed in the Pac 10 tourney.

Go Cougars!

This UW squad keeps proving their mettle. They are talented, but more importantly they are mentally tough and play good team basketball.

Props to the Bruins and their immense talent and three consecutive Final Four appearances, but this season the conference belongs to Washington!

MizzouRah 03-07-2009 08:34 PM

Unreal...

sooner333 03-07-2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah (Post 1963421)
Unreal...


Come on...you couldn't see this coming? Big win over a top 5 team on senior night followed by a road game against a team that is pretty hot. You had to at least see it coming.

Mizzou B-ball fan 03-07-2009 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1963280)
Nice showing by the Tigers again today.


Agreed. They were down by 24 around halftime and cut it to six with 3 minutes left. Pretty well done considering most would have given up.

Illinois fans have little to discuss when they're putting up sub-40 point games on their own court.

Mizzou B-ball fan 03-07-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333 (Post 1963474)
Come on...you couldn't see this coming? Big win over a top 5 team on senior night followed by a road game against a team that is pretty hot. You had to at least see it coming.


Agreed. I expected MU to lose today. It was a brutal situation as you noted.

I noticed that Mizzou plays the winner of the A&M/Tech matchup in the second round. Given what occurred today, I'm guessing that A&M couldn't have had a worse draw if they tried. Playing a pressing MU team with a bye a day after having to play Tech. Toss in the revenge factor after today's game and it's going to be an awfully tough task for A&M.

Swaggs 03-07-2009 11:35 PM

Louisville plays insane, full court defense. I cannot believe they shot as well, from three, as they did tonight and we still had a shot to tie at the final second.

Some pretty questionable calls did not help, either. I usually don't complain on the refs, but they called a pretty iffy foul 17-feet from the basket after we played some great D for 30+ seconds w/ less than a minute less. And, the first foul of the game, they inexplicably gave UofL two shots despite the Cards player not attempting a shot.

Oh well, at least our loss prevented Pitt from winning the Big East. :)

hoopsguy 03-08-2009 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1963491)
Agreed. They were down by 24 around halftime and cut it to six with 3 minutes left. Pretty well done considering most would have given up.

Illinois fans have little to discuss when they're putting up sub-40 point games on their own court.


Given up like you did against Kansas the week before?

I'm not going to argue that it is fun watching a team score 33 (on their home court) but that game was a five point loss. Mizzou lost by more than that today ... heck, you are pleased about cutting a lead to 6 in the second half. Bravo!

It is pretty cute listening to Mizzou fans talk smack when Illini have rolled over them eight straight years.

Chief Rum 03-08-2009 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan (Post 1963410)
This UW squad keeps proving their mettle. They are talented, but more importantly they are mentally tough and play good team basketball.

Props to the Bruins and their immense talent and three consecutive Final Four appearances, but this season the conference belongs to Washington!


Yup, major props to your Huskies, dawgfan. It's a very good team that I think even now is underrated. Assuming at least a run to the semifinals and UW will lock up the #4 seed in the West, with a chance to grab the #3 if they get to the final or win the conference tourney.

Meanwhile, deserved or not, I am calling it now--UCLA will be shipped to either the Midwest or the South. They will, by record, probably deserve a 5, but somehow end up with a 4. Regardless, they will be in line to meet a top seed in the Sweet 16. And whatever bracket they are in will be named the "toughest looking bracket" by a lot of people prior to the start of the tourney, just because it's UCLA.

What does all that mean? Jack squat, of course. The boys have to come to play. That said, I am satisfied that the talent is still here, and so is the senior leadership ability. They're built for a run--if they act like how they look.

Here's a quote from Howland the other day, after being asked why his team is streaky: "We're not streaky. We just don't play good all the time." lol

Even funnier, is that Howland's not funny. Ever. This was a typical chippy response from him.

Karlifornia 03-08-2009 05:50 AM

UCLA is an elite 8 team, and could shockingly make the final four. They will beat somebody they weren't "supposed to".

Washington is a three seed, whereas UCLA is a 4, but I think Washington reeks of sweet 16. I hope U-Dub and UCLA both make the final four, but I would bet my money on UCLA to make it farther. Experienced, talented point guards are very important, and UCLA has that is both, where are Washington has one with half the formula.

Just a guess.

WSUCougar 03-08-2009 10:22 AM

Congrats to the Dawgs on cutting down the Pac-10 nets. The game was a real battle but the better team won. Good luck here on out.

JonInMiddleGA 03-08-2009 01:12 PM

Alabama sends Tennessee to another loss, 70-67, with a running buzzer beating three. Vols failed to appear for the first half, again put themselves in a situation that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

What's becoming very disturbing is the appearance that Pearl can coach other people's players reasonably well, can market the hell out of himself & a program by extension, and recruit athletes with good resumes but can't recruit actual basketball players.

timmynausea 03-08-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1963503)
Louisville plays insane, full court defense. I cannot believe they shot as well, from three, as they did tonight and we still had a shot to tie at the final second.

Some pretty questionable calls did not help, either. I usually don't complain on the refs, but they called a pretty iffy foul 17-feet from the basket after we played some great D for 30+ seconds w/ less than a minute less. And, the first foul of the game, they inexplicably gave UofL two shots despite the Cards player not attempting a shot.

Oh well, at least our loss prevented Pitt from winning the Big East. :)


It was disappointing, but I actually don't feel too bad about that one. WVU had a lot of things working against them (Ruoff and Butler continue slumping and Louisville lighting it up from 3) and still almost beat one of the best teams in the country. It just seemed to me like the kind of close loss that will make WVU hungry going into tournament time. Also the way Ebanks and Jones are peaking at just the right time (they combined for 35 points, 18 rebounds and 8 assists last night) reminds me a lot of the way Joe Alexander turned dominant at exactly this time last year.

Swaggs 03-08-2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by timmynausea (Post 1963707)
It was disappointing, but I actually don't feel too bad about that one. WVU had a lot of things working against them (Ruoff and Butler continue slumping and Louisville lighting it up from 3) and still almost beat one of the best teams in the country. It just seemed to me like the kind of close loss that will make WVU hungry going into tournament time. Also the way Ebanks and Jones are peaking at just the right time (they combined for 35 points, 18 rebounds and 8 assists last night) reminds me a lot of the way Joe Alexander turned dominant at exactly this time last year.


Agreed. I'm not really too disappointed -- was just getting greedy, thinking we might be able to sneak up to a 5 or 4 seed with a win over Louisville and a couple of BE tourney wins. Hopefully, one of Butler or Ruoff (or ideally both) will get hot these next few weeks.

Jones has had a great shot all year -- I'm really impressed with him and Ebanks, although he always looks to be bordering on out of control, is far more skilled than I had expected or first thought. I wish we had the personnel to play Ebanks at the 3 and Jones at the 4. I cannot imagine that there are too many freshmen classes as productive and under the radar as ours this season. I think Ebanks will almost certainly be an NBA player (hopefully he sticks around for 3 or 4 years) and I can see Jones, with his shooting ability and length, being a productive bench guy in the NBA, as well.

Interesting thought on Alexander. I'd love to see Ebanks float around the free throw line hitting those short jumpers and drawing in defenses like Alexander started doing towards the end of last year. Unfortunately, it seems like he likes having the ball in his hands and doesn't move as well without it (on his radio show, Huggins was joking about it and said that Devin takes "great pleasure in dribbling the ball. :) ).

DeToxRox 03-08-2009 03:18 PM

So how many teams does the Big 10 get this year? Looks like 7 or 8. The BTT will be intense that's for sure.

Swaggs 03-08-2009 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 1963742)
So how many teams does the Big 10 get this year? Looks like 7 or 8. The BTT will be intense that's for sure.


I think that 7 are easily in. Minny and Michigan are a bit bubblish, but I think they are fairly safe, as they likely won't have the chance to lose to a bad team (it would be pretty hard for them to play Iowa or Indiana in the B10 tourney). I think Penn State and Northwestern will each have to win two games in the B10 tourney (and NW needs to win today).

In any case, I think they have seven teams with bids locked up, regardless of whatever else may happen.

Radii 03-08-2009 05:11 PM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Swaggs 03-08-2009 05:12 PM

Lord, I hate Singler.

Good job, Tarheels.

hoopsguy 03-08-2009 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1963796)
Lord, I hate Singler.

Good job, Tarheels.


Funny, I was thinking the same thing about Hansborough as he flopped around in the second half on defense while bowling people over on the other end. I'm far from a UNC hater, but I'm looking forward to that guy having to play with an "even" whistle at the next level.

Dr. Sak 03-08-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1963830)
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about Hansborough as he flopped around in the second half on defense while bowling people over on the other end. I'm far from a UNC hater, but I'm looking forward to that guy having to play with an "even" whistle at the next level.


He always has that stupid bug eyed look and when he gets called for a foul he always looks around like "who me".

Noop 03-08-2009 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1963830)
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about Hansborough as he flopped around in the second half on defense while bowling people over on the other end. I'm far from a UNC hater, but I'm looking forward to that guy having to play with an "even" whistle at the next level.


:+1:

He reminds me of Tebow....

Mizzou B-ball fan 03-08-2009 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy (Post 1963539)
It is pretty cute listening to Mizzou fans talk smack when Illini have rolled over them eight straight years.


Agreed. It's unfortunate that Mizzou laid an egg against an average program like Illinois in an average conference. It's obviously an embarrassing loss.

Wolfpack 03-08-2009 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1963796)
Lord, I hate Singler.

Good job, Tarheels.


I say it's still a shame that something can't happen that causes the game to be canceled and result in a richly deserved 0-0 tie. :D

Anyway, on to Atlanta for the ACC tournament and strangely enough, the bracket sets up for yet another wacky State run to the championship like a couple of years ago. We can beat Maryland (if we remember to guard Vasquez) and we have beaten Wake. If we get lucky and BC can upset Duke on Friday, we have a shot.

Of course this means we'll get blown out by Maryland on Thursday, but I can dream... :D

dawgfan 03-08-2009 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar (Post 1963586)
Congrats to the Dawgs on cutting down the Pac-10 nets. The game was a real battle but the better team won. Good luck here on out.

Thanks. The Cougs are going to be a dangerous team to face in the Pac-10 tournament - I'm glad the UW doesn't have to face them in their first game...

Groundhog 03-08-2009 11:14 PM

Patty Mills coming off the bench for St. Mary's today in their conference tourney matchup against Portland. I think he's going to be too rusty to give a major boost to the Gaels, but I'm hoping they at least make it to the finals against Gonzaga and keep it close.

GoldenEagle 03-09-2009 07:23 AM

Memphis got a commit yesterday from DeMarcus Cousins. If we sign John Wall, then we will have signed the #1, #2, and #3 players out of the rivals Top 150.

Mizzou B-ball fan 03-09-2009 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1964145)
Memphis got a commit yesterday from DeMarcus Cousins. If we sign John Wall, then we will have signed the #1, #2, and #3 players out of the rivals Top 150.


Knowing quite a bit about Cousins and the situations surrounding his recruitment, I'm not sure that getting him is best for your (or any team's) program. While he's obviously very talented, there are some pretty shady dealing littering his recruitment that could come back to bite the program. I know Mizzou decided to steer clear of him for that very reason.

Groundhog 03-09-2009 06:03 PM

So, Davidson. They lose in their conference tourney semi-finals. Do they make it to the tournament with an at-large? Probably not - not this year, anyway, with so many of the big conferences expected to receive multiple at-large invites.

Davidson has an rpi of 69. They have few quality wins and, despite a fairly solid in-conference performance, they lost in the semis of the tournament (second time Charleston had beaten them this season). I just don't see them getting in, which is a shame. I'd rather watch Curry lighting teams up than, say, the 6th best team in the ACC.

RainMaker 03-09-2009 06:36 PM

Davidson has no shot of getting in. Would be interesting to see if Curry stays another year. I'd have to imagine he'll be a lottery pick if he comes out. Another year though at PG could help him a lot. Then again, an injury or another non-appearance in the NCAA and it could hurt.

Fighter of Foo 03-09-2009 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 1963750)
I think that 7 are easily in. Minny and Michigan are a bit bubblish, but I think they are fairly safe, as they likely won't have the chance to lose to a bad team (it would be pretty hard for them to play Iowa or Indiana in the B10 tourney). I think Penn State and Northwestern will each have to win two games in the B10 tourney (and NW needs to win today).

In any case, I think they have seven teams with bids locked up, regardless of whatever else may happen.


You're talking about the NIT right???

Groundhog 03-09-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1964752)
Davidson has no shot of getting in. Would be interesting to see if Curry stays another year. I'd have to imagine he'll be a lottery pick if he comes out. Another year though at PG could help him a lot. Then again, an injury or another non-appearance in the NCAA and it could hurt.


I think Curry is nuts if he stays. I don't think he can improve his stock much at all. He's shown he can play a little PG, and everyone knows he can shoot. I think he'll go anywhere from about the 8th through 20th picks.

Will be interesting to see him in the NBA, when he wont have three defenders all focusing on him. I don't think he's going to be a superstar, but he should be, at the very least, a solid combo-guard off the bench. A rich-man's Eddie House. :)

Big Fo 03-09-2009 07:17 PM

C of C is struggling in the second half here, down 11 after being tied at the half.

sterlingice 03-09-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 1964740)
I'd rather watch Curry lighting teams up than, say, the 6th best team in the ACC.


Word

SI

Karlifornia 03-09-2009 08:07 PM

Gonzaga vs. St. Mary's for the WCC Title...should be a fun one.

Karlifornia 03-09-2009 08:08 PM

I guess St. Mary's Omar Samhain dunked in the layup line...which is a technical foul. Gonzaga is up 1-0 before they even tip it. I have never seen that happen.

sterlingice 03-09-2009 08:14 PM

I must have missed that. How is that a technical?

SI

Groundhog 03-09-2009 08:17 PM

Wow. Are you serious? The game hasn't even started, and he got a tech? That doesn't seem right to me.

MJ4H 03-09-2009 08:20 PM

Dunking in pregame warmups is a technical foul, yes.

Groundhog 03-09-2009 08:25 PM

Surprising.

I need to quit look at the live score, just discovered the game is replayed tonight for us folks downunder during primetime.

Karlifornia 03-09-2009 08:28 PM

Yeah, Groundhog...this is one you're gonna wanna watch.

miami_fan 03-09-2009 08:28 PM

I have never seen it called in anything higher than a high school game.

rjolley 03-09-2009 08:55 PM

It's definitely a college rule. Usually, there's an assistant, usually a student coach, around who let's players know when the refs come out to the floor so they don't get a tech.

Someone was asleep at the wheel tonight.

Karlifornia 03-09-2009 09:10 PM

Poor Niagara. They are hanging tough in a hostile environment against the team that is considered the class of the conference. If they can win, it would be something to really be proud of.

Swaggs 03-09-2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo (Post 1964756)
You're talking about the NIT right???


Here is the RPI/SOS/records for the B10 teams:

RPI Rk Big Ten Conf All RPI SOS Rk SOS
6 Michigan St. 15-3 25-5 0.6496 6 0.5944
20 Illinois 11-7 23-8 0.6139 26 0.5755
31 Purdue 11-7 22-9 0.5988 36 0.5694
36 Ohio St. 10-8 20-9 0.5960 30 0.5724
38 Wisconsin 10-8 18-11 0.5927 11 0.5864
41 Minnesota 9-9 20-9 0.5911 40 0.5659
42 Michigan 9-9 18-12 0.5886 10 0.5903
63 Penn St. 10-8 21-10 0.5689 82 0.5389
71 Northwestern 8-10 17-12 0.5616 46 0.5612
112 Iowa 5-13 15-16 0.5284 51 0.5592
211 Indiana 1-17 5-24 0.4752 5 0.5960


I believe 34 at-large teams make it and, obviously, a number of conference champions will be in the top 34 of the RPI. I would be pretty shocked to see any B10 team with .500+ conference record and an RPI under 50ish to not be considered pretty close to a lock.

Karlifornia 03-09-2009 10:12 PM

Wow....Gonzaga looks really good. It's the perfect time to be playing great basketball. Matt Bouldin is gonna piss off some opposing fans with his greasy looking hair and deadly 3-point shooting.


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