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The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 2069811)
What do you want, a five paragraph essay?


I wasn't criticizing, just confirming.

EagleFan 07-10-2009 01:24 PM

Vote henry and someone else. Hell, it can be me if you are that suspicious. I don't are at this point as long as we find out something by the lynch. Make it 6-6 me versus henry. Let the final four decide from there. We watch the movement. I get lynched an am bad then something is learned. henry gets lynched as is bad, something else is learned.

kingfc22 07-10-2009 01:25 PM

I still wasn't sold on him after CR's death, but if I had known henry was going to reveal I would not have used my power on nfg.

He should be able to post again in less than an hour.

EagleFan 07-10-2009 01:29 PM

The way I see it there are 4 possible scenarios now that I have been falsely accused.

1) Both henry and I are good.

2) Both henry and I are bad.

3) I am bad and henry is good,

4) henry is bad and I am good.


Personally I believe the most likely scenario is 1 with 4 being second most likely (I know I am good but it would be followed by 3 and then 2 for those who are believing the unsubstantiated lies which have been given).

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:30 PM

What do you think about Thomkal, EF? Considering he wasn't part of the voting group with henry and that DT has him in his top suspect group, do you feel that a lynch of him would be negative for us?

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:30 PM

Because that simply gives us another day of scanning/interrogating, and maybe we won't have to use a lynch to solve this problem.

Autumn 07-10-2009 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2069814)
You even voted him before I did on Day 3 and he was up to 5 votes including danny (good), PB (good via henry), jackal (put CR up by one with his vote, I presume good), and myself

Unvote Thomkal
Vote Autumn

Let's go back to early on. Autumn PM'd two government agents, nfg (who we know is good now with henry's intel) and myself, asking for our character names with DT mentioned in the PM as well.

Good play for a wolf as if they wound a character name that they liked they could have easily killed them off and took over that persona.

Also Autumn didn't vote for CR.


I'm not saying NFG had no doubters, obviously I was his biggest one. My point is that at that point during the day I can't see that NFG was our biggest suspect, and needed to be removed from action immediately. It's a no-risk move for a wolf to buy favor without actually impacting anything. That ability could have been very useful once a wolf was actually identified, DT could have given you the order and they'd be put out of commission. Using it on a guy that had a few votes on him seems odd. It's certainly not going to clear you in my book.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:31 PM

I realize that the cunning or traitor angle throws some wrenches in scans, though.

EagleFan 07-10-2009 01:32 PM

Af of 1961 (correct me if I missed anything):

Thom 4 (25%) - henry (1711), PB (1713), saldana (1758), ntn (1762)
henry 1 (6%) - EF (1783)
Autumn 1 (6%) - king (2004)
EF 3 (19%)- DT (1850), IS (1917), Pass (1986)


Yet to vote:
TheJackal, Autumn, Schmidty, BrianD, nfg22, Thomkal, path12

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:33 PM

I'm pretty sure I voted for Thomkal last night, I'll go check.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 2069825)
I'm not saying NFG had no doubters, obviously I was his biggest one. My point is that at that point during the day I can't see that NFG was our biggest suspect, and needed to be removed from action immediately. It's a no-risk move for a wolf to buy favor without actually impacting anything. That ability could have been very useful once a wolf was actually identified, DT could have given you the order and they'd be put out of commission. Using it on a guy that had a few votes on him seems odd. It's certainly not going to clear you in my book.


nor mine. in fact...knowing what i know...

Barkeep49 07-10-2009 01:34 PM

After being sternly talked to nfg is once again eligible for action.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2069829)
I'm pretty sure I voted for Thomkal last night, I'll go check.


Yeah, post 1655, so I'm on Thom as well at the moment.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:35 PM

It is interesting that the only people besides me voting for Thomkal all voted for Telle yesterday.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:36 PM

And causes me a bit of concern.

Barkeep49 07-10-2009 01:36 PM

As for vote count here's what I have:
Thomkal: henry (1711 9:35 pm) Purdue (1713 9:37 pm) saldana (1758; 10:33 pm) ntn (1762, 10:35 pm)
henry: Eagle (1783 10:57 pm)
EF: DT (1850, 12:45 AM) ISiddiqui (1917, 10:00 AM) Pass (1986, 1:05 pm)
Autumn: king (2004 1:03 pm)

EagleFan 07-10-2009 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2069833)
Yeah, post 1655, so I'm on Thom as well at the moment.


That was for yesterday's vote before the lynch ot Telle.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:38 PM

So did my vote not count because it came before the lynch post?

Barkeep49 07-10-2009 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2069841)
So did my vote not count because it came before the lynch post?

That's correct.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2069840)
That was for yesterday's vote before the lynch ot Telle.


If we lynched CR how did Telle get lynched? She had enough votes to trigger an auto-lynch?

ISiddiqui 07-10-2009 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2069826)
I realize that the cunning or traitor angle throws some wrenches in scans, though.


True... makes it hard to just rely on scans or interrogations (WITH LOUD YELLING!! ;)) when there are potentially people out there that can fool them.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:39 PM

welcome back NFG. Nice to see that king didn't mistreat you.

EagleFan 07-10-2009 01:39 PM

unvote henry

vote Thom

Someone's coming down with me.

ISiddiqui 07-10-2009 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2069843)
If we lynched CR how did Telle get lynched? She had enough votes to trigger an auto-lynch?


Didn't CR get shot in the head by a fellow villager?

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2069841)
So did my vote not count because it came before the lynch post?


I can see that. It might have been interpreted as a mistake or something. Too bad there's not some way to fix it so that you could vote right now! :p

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2069844)
True... makes it hard to just rely on scans or interrogations (WITH LOUD YELLING!! ;)) when there are potentially people out there that can fool them.


right. and i recognize this. but we don't know for sure there's a cunning, and i think you have to let the scanning and interrogating play out completely before you go lynching people who have been cleared that way looking for a cunning.

kingfc22 07-10-2009 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2069843)
If we lynched CR how did Telle get lynched? She had enough votes to trigger an auto-lynch?


ntn shot CR.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2069849)
Didn't CR get shot in the head by a fellow villager?


I'm so confused. I must've glazed over the lynch posts last night, I was pretty tired.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:41 PM

I dont like pass...

VOTE PASS

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:41 PM

Pass had something to do with my dissapearence...

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2069852)
ntn shot CR.


Wow, I definitely missed that. I remember reading about people saying good job ntn but had no idea what they were talking about, haha.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:41 PM

*waves to nfg*

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:42 PM

Well good friggin job ntn, sorry I missed that.

Now I'm not exactly sure who I want to vote for, though I'm still leaning Thomkal.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069855)
Pass had something to do with my dissapearence...


Pass did? did you learn this while you were gone? because Pass has also cleared saldana and damned EagleFan...so if you know something (aka "pass is evil" that might improve EF's standing and damn saldana...

Autumn 07-10-2009 01:43 PM

Did pass not just confirm that EF was a wolf with his ability? That was what you said, right Pass?

kingfc22 07-10-2009 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069855)
Pass had something to do with my dissapearence...


Ummmm no he didn't.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:43 PM

UNVOTE EAGLEFAN

EagleFan 07-10-2009 01:43 PM

As long as someone is in the running with me I really don't care who. Bring someone along for the ride so we learn something if you lynch me. If a vilager must be lynched at least learn something.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:43 PM

Pass is evil...

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 2069860)
Did pass not just confirm that EF was a wolf with his ability? That was what you said, right Pass?


Oh, right.

VOTE EF

In all my confusion over the lynch I forgot about that.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:44 PM

Pass is bad....king...i wouldnt side with him. He did have something to do with it...and if you lie about it you must be a wolf too...

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:44 PM

are you confused nfg?

kingfc confessed to dissapearing you...did you learn something about Pass while you were dissapeared though?

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:44 PM

Wait, what?

UNVOTE EF

EagleFan 07-10-2009 01:44 PM

Okay, everyone is toying with me.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:44 PM

that seals it for me.

pass/kingfc22/saldana as the last 3 wolves?

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069865)
Pass is evil...


Why are you sure of this?

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2069857)
*waves to nfg*


*waves also* What...hey!?!?!

EagleFan 07-10-2009 01:45 PM

unvote Thom

vote Pass

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2069872)
that seals it for me.

pass/kingfc22/saldana as the last 3 wolves?


Saldana? And henry is the traitor?

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2069873)
Why are you sure of this?


i trust NFG. That should be enough for you.

Everyone should move votes to Pass

hoopsguy 07-10-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poli (Post 2069799)



Now that is what I'm talking about! Clearly I am a motivational genius.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:45 PM

All im saying is Pass is bad. He did have something to do with it and I can explain that later...

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:45 PM

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:46 PM

I have to go to work in ten...so...

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:46 PM

votes need to move to Pass. Let's bang a lynch out before the weekend.

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069879)
All im saying is Pass is bad. He did have something to do with it and I can explain that later...


I thought king did it.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069883)
I have to go to work in ten...so...


I shall persuade our fellow villagers good sir...never fear.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2069877)
i trust NFG. That should be enough for you.

Everyone should move votes to Pass


Alright, Jack.

VOTE PASS

I still found that hit and run vote on EF suspicious, even though he said he was using a power beforehand. Usually when villagers nail a wolf they get pretty excited about it in a vote post.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 2069885)
I thought king did it.


quiet wolfy.

either you're evil (and thus EF is probably clean and saldana is evil with you) or nfg is evil and all bets are off.

Autumn 07-10-2009 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2069859)
Pass did? did you learn this while you were gone? because Pass has also cleared saldana and damned EagleFan...so if you know something (aka "pass is evil" that might improve EF's standing and damn saldana...


Whoa, and what? Didn't King tell us he was the one that sent nfg off?

This is funny business all around.

Who's zooming who?

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:47 PM

Not that he ran anywhere, he's still here.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 2069890)
Whoa, and what? Didn't King tell us he was the one that sent nfg off?

This is funny business all around.

Who's zooming who?


This is pretty crazy.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2069889)
quiet wolfy.

either you're evil (and thus EF is probably clean and saldana is evil with you) or nfg is evil and all bets are off.


If this is correct you know that means henry is the traitor and EF is never going to let you hear the end of it. ;)

PurdueBrad 07-10-2009 01:48 PM

Okay, second time being dense apparently. First we think Thomkal is a wolf and are putting him up against EF as a wolf who then wants us to put up Henry as a wolf and now we think that Pass/Kingfc22/Saldana are wolves. Of course, that doesn't add up if Henry's info is right and we've got a crapload of wolfy suspects again.

unvote Thomkal

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2069872)
that seals it for me.

pass/kingfc22/saldana as the last 3 wolves?


If I'm bad, and I was the one who did dirty things to NFG, why would I have a fellow baddie cop to it? That doesn't make sense to me.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2069889)
quiet wolfy.

either you're evil (and thus EF is probably clean and saldana is evil with you) or nfg is evil and all bets are off.


You dont trust me yet? After all the times I used my ability to save you?

Autumn 07-10-2009 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2069884)
votes need to move to Pass. Let's bang a lynch out before the weekend.


Wait, where have I seen this before ...

Can we hear what the story is before we all throw down a quick lynch. Doesn't this contradict a bunch of things?

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 01:49 PM

And I thought sal was good.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:50 PM

I dont know if king was a villager and did it or not. But you tried something very evil during it...I was never told who did it but someone tried to kill me while I was out...and it was you..I caught you jerk...

kingfc22 07-10-2009 01:50 PM

First, let me say that I'm not tying myself with Pass.

But I know in fact that I am the sole reason that nfg was gone for 16 hours. So for nfg to come out and say that Pass was responsible does not jive with me.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:50 PM

Problem is...I can save people...and you cant save yourself now...

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069901)
I dont know if king was a villager and did it or not. But you tried something very evil during it...I was never told who did it but someone tried to kill me while I was out...and it was you..I caught you jerk...


Damnit I wish I still had one of my soothsayer abilities right now. I guess it wouldn't help much since you're accusing me, but still. Man.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069901)
I dont know if king was a villager and did it or not. But you tried something very evil during it...I was never told who did it but someone tried to kill me while I was out...and it was you..I caught you jerk...


Thank you for giving us some kind of idea what might have happened. I could see a wolf with a power like that, to kill someone while under interrogation - it seems like there are multiple people with the power to interrogate. But it also sounds plausible that it was made up, though DT trusts NFG so that's pretty much good enough for me currently.

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 01:51 PM

And damnit NFG, did you really have to come up with these false accusations 20 minutes before I was going to work out? Geez!

JAG 07-10-2009 01:52 PM

This day has more twists than any episode of 24 I can think of.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2069902)
First, let me say that I'm not tying myself with Pass.

But I know in fact that I am the sole reason that nfg was gone for 16 hours. So for nfg to come out and say that Pass was responsible does not jive with me.


Basically I was told I was out...so I was...then in the middle...a kill attempt was tried...Im not a BG but I have the chance to save certain people...I guess it worked for me and Pass came up the culprit..

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 2069899)
Wait, where have I seen this before ...

Can we hear what the story is before we all throw down a quick lynch. Doesn't this contradict a bunch of things?


the story is I trust nfg. more than i trust pass. more than i trust kingfc.

so either pass was a wolf (still possible, he's not high-trust) or nfg is a wolf.

and i don't think there's any way that nfg is a wolf.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:52 PM

As the confusion settles I'm going to try to contemplate why a wolf would make nfg's play.

kingfc22 07-10-2009 01:53 PM

Unvote Autumn

You're still on my list, but this craziness needs to get sorted out.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:53 PM

I am president Suvarov... I am not a BG but I have body guards around me at all times. I get to pick one person to be close to and save...I chose Jack and saved him twice...now i guess since I was alone, it saved me. My body guards said Pass was to blame...

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22 (Post 2069902)
First, let me say that I'm not tying myself with Pass.

But I know in fact that I am the sole reason that nfg was gone for 16 hours. So for nfg to come out and say that Pass was responsible does not jive with me.


i believe NFG based on one of our last PM's before the PM's went down. i think he may not be giving a 100% accurate picture of what happened in order to obscure things, but i believe him.

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:53 PM

So king, you knew nothing of this? Were you with NFG the entire time?

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:54 PM

argue that PASS

ISiddiqui 07-10-2009 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 2069890)
Whoa, and what? Didn't King tell us he was the one that sent nfg off?


Yep, so if Pass made NFG disappear, but King said he did it, that means that King and Pass are working together. Also seems to make EF right that henry's list was not on the up and up.

Sorry for jumping on you, EF

Unvote EaglesFan

I'm thiiiiis close to voting for Pass, but I want to hear more from NFG on this.

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:54 PM

and there he goes giving the accurate picture

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:54 PM

King may have just incapatictated me...Pass tried to kill me while I was in discipline..

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:55 PM

Sorry I revealed DT...I dont want anyone to doubt

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069916)
argue that PASS


Sure. Your bodyguards were wrong.

Autumn 07-10-2009 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2069910)
the story is I trust nfg. more than i trust pass. more than i trust kingfc.

so either pass was a wolf (still possible, he's not high-trust) or nfg is a wolf.

and i don't think there's any way that nfg is a wolf.


This story isn't making sense to me at all. I'm afraid we're at lynch number, so I'm holding on for a second. You don't thinkt here's any chance that nfg, while good, was fed wrong info? Because that would mean three different kill attempts last night?

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 2069922)
Sure. Your bodyguards were wrong.


Really?...they have a wolf paw:p

Passacaglia 07-10-2009 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069920)
King may have just incapatictated me...Pass tried to kill me while I was in discipline..


Wait, I tried to kill DT *and* I tried to kill you? Apparently I'm quite the supervillain.

PurdueBrad 07-10-2009 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2069917)
Sorry for jumping on you, EF


I'm not sorry, if it weren't for this ginormous silver cup sitting here I would be really, really livid right now. But I guess I'll just go back to hoisting this cup. Hmmm...maybe I'll name it Stanley. :p

PurdueBrad 07-10-2009 01:57 PM

Oh, and the above goes to Jackal too.

kingfc22 07-10-2009 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 2069915)
So king, you knew nothing of this? Were you with NFG the entire time?


I knew nothing of this. My role PM doesn't state where I am when I activate my power.

It just says that I take the player out of the game for 16 hours, blocking any action (PM, posts, voting, etc). Now I'm curious because I would figure it would block powers as well...

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:57 PM

i maintain that my list is correct though, regardless of whether henry's is correct. my list cannot be incorrect (notwithstanding it may include a traitor or a cunning wolf).

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:57 PM

You must be...but I think the NK was DT and your ability is to kill incapacitated people...and u tried to kill me and failed..

DaddyTorgo 07-10-2009 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22 (Post 2069921)
Sorry I revealed DT...I dont want anyone to doubt


It's cool - especially since you netted us another wolf.

Barkeep49 07-10-2009 01:58 PM

FBI agents come into the building and escort nfg away holding him in a detention cell for the time being.

nfg22 07-10-2009 01:59 PM

People...DT knows im good..he said so. Believe me...

The Jackal 07-10-2009 01:59 PM

friggin FBI


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