VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

If you were DC, and knew Barkeep was poisoned, would you go looking in the area he confirmed he would be? I dont know if i would...i just dont know, so for now ill say DT..im very open to change here though

Blade, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think players pick their prostitutes, just an area. So it may have been just been random that DC ended up with Barkeep last night.

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO

VOTE DODGERCHICK

Quick change, i know...the robbery is too much for me, seeing as how BrianD and mr.w(two of the killers other victims) were both robbed. I just cant get past that, on top of the fact she initially lied by omission about it.

Yes, but it was widely known barkeep was going to be in whitechapel...my point was if i had poisoned him i wouldnt go there at all.

But, now i find it likely she poisoned him last night(cronin, know the rash?..that seems like something barkeep would have known about if it had been before tonight) and robbed him. I also find it likely dubb lied about it being slow-acting, but this implies communication. Im willing to accept this as the likely outcome right now

Well ...

Either it was a slow acting poison or not. If it was, it could have been DC. If it wasn't, it could ONLY have been DC. So, either way, I think I'll need to be talked out of voting for her. In other words, we agree.

Cronin, what do you make of the line chief used to describe our chat with path...more to the point the second part, about possibility for error? I dont think he said that about swaggs or schmidty, which caught my eye when i read through.

you can answer in PM if you want cronin, dont feel obligated to respond here

No idea, really.

FWIW, I've seen three interrogations by you guys - Schmidty, Dubb, and Path. Both Dubb and Path seemed uncomfortable with the process. Schmidty was a quick conversation.

But Path also expressed innocence to me in the PM I got. Yet this was not his secret that I learned (important distinction) but instead I learned that he had been visited by the two of you. I wish Path would come back as an innocent on one of these visits as he has prostitutes at least three times without us getting the information Barkeep got on Bullet the first time out.

Sweet, I can tap Barkeep now that he is dead. :)

My worry was he was a simple londoner, but has been converted...but of that im not sure...just a thought.

Im heading out for most of the day, ill see you all later

Now, that's actually kind of interesting. I don't know if it means anything, though.

VOTE PATH

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

Unless there's some type of conversion ability in the game, which I don't think it's been proven one way or the other that there is, it can't have been DC, circumstantial evidence aside.

Furthermore, it would seem to me that dubb's comment about poisoning would indicate that it is in fact *not* an immediate kill, but one that builds up over time.

You mean dubb instead of me here. I've never claimed anyone was poisoned.

Did I not get cleared?? Crap. My PM does say that I was confused about why you wanted to talk to me and that I reluctantly agreed, but I assumed you were able to clear me from the conversation.

I do too. :( Unfortunately, I now have no money at all, so I won't be able to clear myself tonight.

By that same logic, it can't have been me based on the info bullet got from Barkeep night 1.

But I can only deal with the info or lack thereof that has come out. We've certainly got the margin for a bad lynch.

As for me, I think the fact that DC came right out and said she was with Barkeep when he died somewhat offsets the reluctance to mention the stealing. I'm going with the person who has never been vouched for by anyone and IIRC was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

VOTE DADDY TORGO
VOTE LYNCH LSG

Raiders - earlier in the game (Day 2) you thought you had caught a hint about what DaddyTorgo's role might be.

DT - I think we are far enough along in the game where you can spill your role information to help us make an informed decision today. Including an updated timetable of your night activities, please.

Raiders, this is the piece of information I was wondering about earlier. I saw NTN, Blade, Cronin, and Lathum in Cavell but I did not see you. Were you in that district this evening? If so, did anyone else see RA there to vouch for this?

Blade, I haven't encountered Raiders at all this game which could be bad luck. But none of the prostitutes have which should mark him as a special - we can't all have had bad luck, right? You seem pretty comfortable with his role, which is good. Does the role you have him slotted for fit with having this kind of information on Night 1?

Alright, give me a minute to catch up, I'll be answering questions as I come across them.

Izulde, i mean no offense by this...but after dubb visited you last night i can no longer trust you. Im not saying your evil, but you and your comments are now viewed in a much dimmer light then others. Hoops has also fallen from my COT. You two have been replaced by others, and while respect your opinion, im just telling you i cant drust DC becuase you tell me to.

While his theory is somewhat incorrect in my opinion, yes, for night one it makes very much sense. I cant really account for any other night though, and have trusted him all off of night 1.

Exactly Blade. If I poisoned Barkeep, why would I be dumb enough to go back to him and incriminate myself? We can choose 2 places to find prostitutes, I chose Commercial or Whitechapel. Since I've never been to Whitechapel, I figured maybe I'll find hoops (someone whom I haven't hooked up with) to have someone else to clear me. Unfortunately for me, I went with Barkeep and he died while had sex.

It said you were a simple londoner, yes...but unlike with swaggs, schmidty, ntn, and dubb it also stated we might be mistaken. It might just be flavor, but it was noteworthy...

My thought now is the poison is quick acting, not slow acting..so you would have had to visit him to kill him tonight...just so you know why i swapped

Someon asked (not sure who) who DaddyTorgo visited. And this is something I saw for myself:

Night 2 - chose Izulde in Cavell
Night 4 - he wanted Barkeep, but I got him first... happened in Commercial District

/ooc
This game is so full of quotables... I love it :D

Like this? :D

LOL, I had my share of some crazy ass quotes huh?

There was a reference earlier that DT was trusted by MrW, so I went looking for it. This is the closest I can find. I believe it was motivated based on the fact that the two of them were in a run-off against each other rather than on any knowledge of DT as a force for good or evil.

So, Blade has indicated he still trusts RA which means that I will continue to trust him for today. Now I'm interested in what role RA thinks DaddyTorgo was hinting at and hopefully at what point he picked up on hints.

Also, Izulde remains pretty high in my trust list. I don't see any way he could have killed Barkeep, although I do acknowledge there are scenarios where he could be on the side of the bad guys.

For last night, I saw Izulde at the start of the night (all three of us were in the same district) and at the end of the night when we discovered Barkeep.

I know my role does not allow me to visit a prostitute. I know Izulde started off as a prostitute. So I can't imagine he was able to visit Barkeep and poison during lovemaking - which is the death as described by Blade. I would be more concerned with him if we get to a point in the game where there are night kills and he does not have anyone coming forward reporting that they turned a trick.

Blade, so if I die and end up good, will you trust her then? Izulde has had my back THE ENTIRE GAME!!

Well, if something good comes out of my death, I hope one more person is cleared.

Before I forget:

vote lynch lonestargirl

Sorry about disappearing. My internet did end up getting disconnected, so I'm having to connect on my laptop at the diner at the end of the street. Thank goodness they have free wireless.

Anyway, have a good game, and hopefully I'll have my service back soon so I can play again in the near future.

I'm not sure if I necessarily want the person who knows this answer to give it to us, but for the trusted of you who have already revealed, do you think there is a limit to the number of days that LSG can be jailed? Or does she need to be charged with a new crime each day she stays?

I am thinking the smart move here would be to keep her alive and vote for Dodgerchick today. Unless we can really pinpoint Barkeep's killer OR we get lucky and manage to lynch them, I think we will have a question as to DC's innocence.

You should trust me. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised that you don't know what my role is. This isn't like the "you" of old. Blade and st. cronin figured it out.

Anyhow, I don't think I hinted at what DT's role was. If I did, then I definitely didn't know what I was talking about. I believe the only thing that I could deduce was that Mr. Wednesday trusted DT, dubb, and bulletsponge. By association, I trusted them. We all know what happened with dubb, so...

Not that this means anything, but I am Anthony Guillory, a normal Londoner. The fishy smell wasn't the prostitutes, it was my clothing for I am a fisherman.

My role isn't important at all, so you will lose nothing. I'm just hoping that once I turn up good, that you'll at least trust Izulde since he KNOWS my role.

I probably shouldn't of capitalized KNOW because my role isn't anything, just counts toward good side.

Raiders, I'll have to go back again and look for the post, but I'm pretty sure you said something like "I don't catch a lot of hints, but I caught that one" to DT after he talked about being a trader.

In terms of your role, I've held onto the notion of you holding a specific role for the past couple of days and I still do. I'm much more interested in exploring DaddyTorgo than you today, but I did want assurances from Blade on people I had considered trusted coming into today. If we were on the same page, then I could spend my efforts working on the less trusted people (DT is one of those).

If my posts didn't convey this, then obviously I didn't type them all that well.

Well, I was hoping on getting an answer from CR, but knowing blade, if I don't respond by the time he logs on, then he'll build a case against be based on the fact that I'm withholding information:
----------------------------------------------------

Night 0 - Start w/ 10 shilling, no action

Day 1 - Earn 3 shilling, total 13 shilling

Night 1 - Hired Izulde in Bishopsgate (- 5 shilling), was robbed and costed me (-3 shilling) to replace, have a total of 5.

Day 2 - Earn 3 shilling, total of 8 shilling

Night 2 - no action, looked for Izulde in Cavell but she went with DT instead, was not robbed and keep my 8 shilling.

Day 3 - Earn 3 shilling, total of 11 shilling

Night 3 - Go to Opium Den (-5), was robbed again, used (-3) of my shilling to replace, I have a total of 3 shilling.

Day 4 - Earn 3 shilling, 6 shilling total

------------------------------------

I'm stopping here, there seems to be a discrepancy with the amount of shilling I had after this night, so I need to confirm before I post anything.

:rolleyes:

:)

so since you're here blade, is there anything (except the shilling part), you wanna ask me?

I already asked you the question i want to know, and you said you cant answer it until chief responds...its what prompted your unnecessary comment about me.

Did I strike a nerve? Sorry blade, but I kinda thought you'd bring this up and somehow hold it against me.

I would only do that if i thought i had a bad guy and wanted votes quickly. I dont have any damning evidence of you, just a lot of circumstansial...i would not do something like that in this situation, especially not to a friend

Is the amount of money stolen a variable amount?

ok trying again after my post got eaten by the tubes ...

Izulde can clear DC as of which night? Because if it's just night 1, that's not really that convincing.

It has ALWAYS been 3 with me.

summary??

oh and sorry I missed the hanging out last night...I was asleep at my computer at that point

Then how did you steal 30 from barkeep?

Daddy - since you are in the thread I think we all would be interested in your timeline for the last few days.

hoops - I will type it up soon as I get home. I only have 4 more minutes on my lunch break here at work unfortunately....and internet on my phone is not the place to by typing up my timeline. I can tell you though that lynching me would be the wrong course of action...as unhelpful as the flowers I have provided have been.

I am a simple trader...in town to sell said flowers to a certain proprieter. that's all.

I should get home before lynch, but just in case:

VOTE LYNCH DODGERCHICK

VOTE NO LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

the stealing is damming DC...sorry
and I like blade's argument for keeping lsg alive I think?

sorry can't bold on phone CR. back to work as of 1 min ago!

hoops - I will type it up soon as I get home. I only have 4 more minutes on my lunch break here at work unfortunately....and internet on my phone is not the place to by typing up my timeline. I can tell you though that lynching me would be the wrong course of action...as unhelpful as the flowers I have provided have been.

I am a simple trader...in town to sell said flowers to a certain proprieter. that's all.

I should get home before lynch, but just in case:

VOTE LYNCH DODGERCHICK

VOTE NO LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

the stealing is damming DC...sorry
and I like blade's argument for keeping lsg alive I think?

sorry can't bold on phone CR. back to work as of 1 min ago!

for the first time all game im totally confused as to who to go after

lol, I forgot my password and exhausted my 5 attempts so I have to use Antmeister's computer.


Yeah, I stole 30 shillings from Barkeep (5 of which were mine), but I've had 3 shillings stolen from me every single time.

This'll be my last post in a while cuz Antmeister isn't exactly happy with me using his name on a WW thread.

should have seen my shock seeing him post here...but what does he care it doesn't count anyhow ;)

FWIW, I'm not strong on Dodgerchick at all (remember I was the first one to put a vote on her today). I could vote for Daddy Torgo rather easily since I don't like the pile on Dodgerchick with no hard evidence against her.

For me its the robbery, not the timing. Mr. W and brian d were also robbed when killed..thats what keeps my vote on DC...DT is just a guess, especially with his supposed 4 gold a night...but im very torn, and i could vote for path, izulde, and even hoops tonight

dola, and her not telling us until it became public we knew he was robbed and she was with him..then she admitted it, and said she didnt tell us becuase she was worried it would get her lynched.

DC, ill tell you right now for the future. Not telling us things that make you look bad is a lot worse then telling us. When we find out through other means, it will look a lot worse for you.

Current vote tally (let me know if I'm wrong):

Dodgerchick (3)-Raiders Army, Blade, Daddy Torgo
Path (2)-Izulde, st. cronin
Daddy Torgo (1)-path

Not voted: bulletsponge, hoops, Dodgerchick, Swaggs

It's still very much open.

Oh yay, I'm in. I used the same password every time I attempted to log in... not sure wht happened.

Anyway, I don't know what else to say other than what's been said.

It's circumstantial evidence blade. That's fine, I made my peace with my lynching, just don't be surprised when I show up as good.

Did you vote yet?

e har
Alright, I learned my lesson, the hard way unfortunately.

Quick player recaps:

Hoops - I know I started good and remain good, but others obviously get to judge for themselves on this point.

Izulde - Unlike earlier in the game, I have now seen that Izulde is a prostitute, which means that he started good.

Raiders - have not encountered yet, but vouched for by Blade

Swaggs - have not encountered yet, but vouched for by Blade

Blade/Cronin - have seen them together three times. I suppose there is a slight possibility that they are not Holmes/Watson but I have no interest in exploring this point today

Path - have seen Path on two nights so far. Do we have any instances where someone has killed on the same night they visited a prostitute? Has anyone seen two prostitutes in a single night (would be expensive)

Daddy - have not encountered him yet this game although he has seen prostitutes earlier in game (will try to pull up posts from Barkeep/Izulde). Has stated he is not a common villager - has he been robbed? Would seem like a good candidate for this if he can accumulate money faster and is not spending it ... if I'm not voting for DC I'm probably voting for him

Bullet - was vouched for as good by Barkeep early in the game. So like the prostitutes, only way for him to now be bad is for a conversion mechanic to exist in the game.

Dodgerchick - seems to have spent a few nights with prostitutes, although not me. Was with Barkeep last night and stole money from him on her way out.

For the record, I think my vote is staying on DT regardless of the possibility of saving myself by switching. I'm going to be surprised if DC is bad so I don't see the point of switching to someone else I think is good.

.

No, I haven't. Out of self perseverance, I'm waiting.

Hmm good point. DT was with Blade and was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

While I still have my suspicions about you, the evidence for DT does seem stronger so therefore

UNVOTE PATH

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I find it a little curious that your COT has changed for those reasons, because the prostitutes have no say in who visits them.

But no offense taken. :)

Here are my summaries of the Night actions. After this review I think it is less likely we are facing multiple opponents, unless one of them is LoneStarGirl.


Post #455 (Night 1 results)
BrianD - beaten to death and robbed
Fouts - mauled by Hyde (Saldana)
Tyrith - killed in home by werewolf (Dubb)
No action by Lathum (Jack)

Post #845 (Night 2 results)
SnDvls - torn apart (Dubb?)
Izulde was arrested
Lathum lynched Day 2
No action by Saldana
No action by other killer(s) - Fagin/Moriarity?
Conversion chance this night? If so, could be Bullet or a prostitute as "known" goods

Post #1298 (Night 3 results)
Schmidty - beaten to death by Hyde (Saldana)
Mr Wednesday - backstabbed
Swaggs was arrested, Izulde released
No action by Dubb

Post #1768 (Night 4 results)
LoneStarGirl arrested, Swaggs released
No action by Dubb or other killer(s)

Post #1964 (Night 5 results)
Barkeep - poisoned during a visit from a john
LoneStarGirl remains in jail
No action by any other killer(s)

And a hush falls over the crowd.

I have shotty internet access, so I'm gonna have to vote before I can't vote at all:

Vote DaddyTorgo

Since I know I'm good and DT was the other John that visited Barkeep, then I'm assuming it's him.

'Til later... hopefully I'm still alive.

When the hell was DT with me???? :confused: :confused: :confused:

DC, are you suggesting that DT visited Barkeep last night? Or earlier in the game?

Sorry, meant to type Barkeep and didn't notice I typed your name by mistake until you pointed it out.

If dubb converted you, does it matter? He would have been just as happy with any of the others, except maybe barkeep if he was poisoned days ago.

Note, both Mr. W and Barkeep were robbed just like brian D...thats the key to why im still looking at DC over izuldes trust

Does anybody think there is any value in going through the people KNOWN to have been seen with Barkeep? I'm thinking of switching back to DC.

Cronin, there is absolutely value in this. The only concerns is that it may not represent a complete list.

Of course, that list of people includes Path, DaddyTorgo, Bullet, and Dodgerchick - pretty sure they are all confirmed.

Quite frankly im fine with either DT or DC being lynched...doesnt matter much to me...ill just scan the other tonight

DT is not confirmed, and DC confirmation is in doubt after what we all saw

Problem is, confirmed by whom? Mr. Wednesday vouched for DT and bullet. Izulde vouched for DC. I'm at a loss as to who vouched for path. Also, just for language purposes, how about vouch instead of confirm. I think confirm is somewhat misleading.

I should say, this is the same izulde dubb believed would clear him and then came in and gave a shaky story

Confirmed visits to Barkeep. So upon further review that doesn't narrow down my list all that much. Maybe overlaying it with the days they did visit would be more valuable?

I'm not sure if these days are correct
Night 0 - Path
Night 1 - Bullet
Night 2 - two johns
Night 3 - ????
Night 4 - Daddy Torgo and Dodgerchick (per Blade's post 1993)
Night 5 - Dodgerchick and someone else?

Barkeep was robbed of 30 shillings, so we should be able to figure out the number of johns. Start with 10, expenses knock off 2 per day. So with Night 0 counting that is -10. Forty shillings accumulated = 8 johns. So either it was just DC yesterday with someone on Night 3 or BK came up empty on Night 3 and doubled up again yesterday.

Sorry about the use of word choice "confirmed" there - realized it as I posted it but it took awhile to run the numbers and track down posts for my next point/post.

Here is Mr. W supposed confirmation of DT hoops is going off of. He in no way clears DT.

Suprise suprise though, its Izulde again...he seems to keep popping up

Scratch that last post, bad math.

Start with 10.
Had 10 in expenses over five days.
30 stolen

6 johns, we have them all accounted for in the above post.

unvote path12
vote DodgerChick

I'm going with Holmes on this one.

No, there are 7 in that post..DC claims she took her 5 back as well from last night, so you have to count her twice.

I'd like to point out that I in no way cleared dubb, nor had any intention of clearing him. As far as I'm concerned, dubb's comment was just a ploy to try and sow discord among the good guys and your feeding into it shows that it's working.

Don't let it work.

Let's be accurate in reporting the data - I was asking why people thought MrW had cleared DaddyTorgo. I was trying to build a case against him, not clear him.

No, i dont trust you becuase the only 3 people i know to have visited you reads the 2 top suspects right now and the WW..that speaks poorly, dubby or not

I guess that depends on how you interpret the numbers. Did DC say she got 30 + her 5? Or that she lifted 30 from the apartment?

Either way, at this point I'm going to

VOTE DODGERCHICK

Why should that speak poorly? I told you, it's entirely random who visits what prostitute. The only thing prostitutes control is what district they work in each night.

Also, does anyone have an idea where we are on the LSG lynch/no lynch vote?

Izulde, would you publish your entire list of visits by night?

As for Blade's point, it speaks to you having bad luck and a greater chance of being converted, if that metric is in the game.

It was suggested that DT and I were the only 2 that weren't totally cleared (even though Izulde has repeatedly cleared me as good), so I'm going on that assumption.

I was talking about Night 4 when DT was also there.