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Swaggs do you get to use your ability at any point during the day or is it lynch time only?
To play devil's advocate some more.. What if Anxiety did provide Spleen the name Hob, granted it would be silly rediculous for him to make the name mistake calling himself nob multiple times when that was Chief's role... but he did say he was the stable boy which indeed was Bob's job. So to play devil's advocate, what if it was Anxiety who mixed up the names and not Spleen. So to tackle this from a different viewpoint, how would he have known to call himself the stable boy but mess up the name if he didnt have the role? |
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I actually don't like this arguement, not for wolfish reasons but for gamemanship reasons. I don't think its fair to assume Anxiety posted that because you were good or to assume its because you were bad. There can be arguements made for both sides. I think Anxiety's post instead directs us to look at this from a different viewpoint, which is what i attempted to do with my last post. |
Oh and for clarification, Veteran’s Day is tomorrow, but likely celebrated at the workplace today. For example my company took our Armed Services Veteran’s to lunch today. Veteran’s Day is November 11th every year.
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so it's spleen today we are focused on? and then attention turning to ntndeacon or sublime 2? are we content to put spleen to the test today without a two-horse race to try to put pressure on someone else? spleen's slip-up combined with his general play in this game has been suspicious, and I have actually been eyeing him for the past several days wondering (illuvatar's honest truth). |
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To follow up on this, if he wasn't the stable boy, wouldn't the real stable boy (regardless of what he is named) have stood up by now to say that he was the stable boy and Spleen is lying? I mean stable boy isnt really a super secret role to hide when the rest of us have revealed roles |
interesting that everyone Thom has scanned has come up clean...someone want to do the math on the odds of that?
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Hmm... dunno what to make of our GM message, but I'm leaning towards Alan's reasoning.
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Swaggs sorry for all the questions.. just trying to figure out how to handle this.. In this post you reveal your role and reveal Nob and Bob, but dont say anything about the stable worker... In your role description are you told about two brothers working for you? Or just basing it off of Chief Rum's death? |
Alan, I would like to throw you a hypothetical.
Let's make the assumption that I am good for the time being (Since it is just a hypothetical at the moment you can play along :) ) How would knowing I was good change the game right now besides getting the lynch pressure Ihave recieved off and on to stop. Who would become more suspected? |
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Who do you think it should go to? :) |
I'm not moving off of Spleen today.
I just don't buy his story. I think he looked up my name on wikipedia or Google and saw the names Nob and Bob on there. I can't look past the fact that he gave the name of someone who was already killed and didn't correct it until called on it. If he had corrected it himself, I may have believed him, but I suspect he didn't want to draw further attention to it after realizing his mistake and then made up this Hob story. |
A spleen vote seems the most logical to me at this point that's for true.
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Well I'm heading to the bar...in case I get too inebriated at the Prancing Pony:
Vote Spleen Despite Anxiety's message, spleen still slipped up more than once calling himself by CR's name. Too many accidents for me. |
VOTE SPLEEN
I'm in from my 6 hours of hell at work, so excepting a couple short breaks I should be around till lynch |
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My role description did not say anything about my stable workers. I found that information when I looked up the name on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barliman_Butterbur Quote:
I, not so subtly, asked last night if anyone's name rhymed with Chief Rum's name because I suspected that if his name was in the game, then Bob's name could also be in the game and could be another friendly player. My beef with Spleen is that, out of all the letters available on the keyboard, he made the "Nob" error twice. I think he probably looked up my name and saw that and, without paying much attention to the Chief Rum lynching results, made that connection without being as careful as he should have been. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hobbits
Where is the name Bob on this list, Alan? I see two Hobs but no Bob. Everyone is banking your knowledge of LotR to make their votes against me, yet there is no Bob. Granted, I did screw up with the typo and I can live with that. Just don't vote for me because my name doesn't match what Alan is saying is in the books. With that, I'm not going to fight my lynch anymore. I will just answer questions that I'm asked. When I am lynched, you'll see that I am a Hobbit named Hob and I am the stableworker and I am a townsfolk. Today has been a turning point in the game with all of the information that has been thrown out there. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Alan, Swaggs and LSG are the baddies. |
...and, by the way, it says there that Bob was the stable worker and Nob was a servant.
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Most people assumed Bob was a man and not a hobbit in the stories. |
VOTE Alan T
My vote doesn't even matter at this point, but to make sure I follow the rules, I am going to vote. Even after Anxiety stated that voting based on information that is found in the books and outside of this game is a poor choice, Swaggs continues to post more and more about it. What's the use? |
Anxiety, can you end the day early so that they can be shown how silly they are being?
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So you are furious about swaggs continuing the discussion that direction but vote me? :) |
spleen...you hafta know that Alan and swaggs are above reproach at this point. if you truly are of the light you'd do better to try to make a compelling case for someoen else whom people have proposed lately
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I was waiting for this question. I am voting for you because if the 3 of you are baddies, then I think you are the leader of this push. I think you guys saw an opening to have another good guy lynched and you've orchestrated it. I'm furious about the whole stinking situation. I make an honest typo mistake then add into the fact that you guys aren't listening to what the GM is telling you and it is going to get me lynched. Maybe I am taking it a little to serious, but I do that with trival things all of the time. :) BTW, Anxeity, thanks for the curse word filter. I would be dropping f-bombs left and right at this point, but I'm making a good effort at respecting your rules. :D |
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Besides my typo, the whole basis of their argument are the books, which Anxiety has clearly said shouldn't be factored into voting decisions. It doesn't matter at this point. I want to be lynched now. So, if you've voted for me, continue to do so. |
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Fair enough then :) And for whatever its worth, I was pushing the conversation past the out of game knowledge stuff in regards to you. The thing that convinced me to keep my vote on you isnt the out of game knowledge, it was JE catching you claiming the same name as someone already dead. The only time I brought up out of game stuff was when people asked me direct questions (including the one you asked) If you are good, then it was just a bad day to claim the same name as someone already dead, typo or not.. was a bad day for that slip up. |
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izulde used this type of ploy too during the game i played with him. the "fine just kill me now and get it over with, i'm actually good" play. not an unheard of move for a wolfy wolf |
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Well since one of the seers is possibly false Iwould say the false seer, of course that begs the question who that is. I am of the opinion Lonestargirl is the true seer. so in my mind Thomkal would be up there in terms of folks to vote for. if we are to avoid that problem (still am wishy washy on whether it woulkd help or not.) then we run into some problem for every day we have been getting villager vs villager. We really need to be looking for people that haven't had a lot of pressure on them at this point. |
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No offense to you, but since none of our 3 seers have identified anyone yet, go over your record today: You claim to be a character named Nob, even though the character Nob (Chief Rum) has already been lynched. You claim an occupation very similar to Chief's Nob: "Nob was a hobbit servant at the Prancing Pony Inn, and he kept a small room there, underneath the Inn." (from post 786). You don't acknowledge that you gave the wrong name until after someone else lets you know that there was already a Nob. I asked if there was anyone with a similar name to Nob yesterday, as we were trying to build a circle of trust, and you kept quiet. You claim that you twice made a typo calling yourself Nob. Even if you are on the side of light, who is a better candidate today than you are? If you are on the side of light, I apologize, but you are the best candidate we have today and, frankly the best candidate that we have had in this game. |
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It's cool. I see that you were posting the possibility of this being an unintentional mixed up. I'm not really mad at anyone person. I'm more bothered that I gave up my role and information in the hopes that people would trust me. So, I've learned a lesson for the next time I play. |
As I said, I'm sticking with my vote for tonight.
I am out until close to the deadline. I hope we get this one right. |
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I understand this spleen. I hate giving out my info. I want to be able to use that later against others if neccesary. Even in a vanilla role it is handy for that info to not be out. :) |
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I already told Gram that I didn't acknowledge it last night because I was bowling. GO back and look at every game I have played in. I have been unavailable from 7:30pm~11:30pm every Monday and Thursday. After rading through everything, I totaly forgot about your question and just like I told Gram I thought your question was directed at Izulde. I didn't acknoledge that I gave the wrong name until someone pointed it out because I didn't know I made the mistake. I have in fact made the typo twice. I'm anxious to say my piece. Why would I purposely put the wrong name out there twice? Who is a better candidate? Thomkal for one. Other than the events of today, I haven't done anything that makes me suspicious. You can't tell me the circumstances around Thomkal's reveal and all of the vote moving is not a whole lot more suspicious than anything I have done outside of today. I'll say it again. They way you and Alan are going after this really makes me believe you are the baddies. Chief Rum pulled the same trick in the RE game. Luckily for me, his attempt didn't work. |
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So you think LSG, Swaggs and I are the bad guys, and think Thomkal is the best person to go after today? |
I'd say that Thomkal , Gram and Weds are suspicious to me personally.
Thom because well...we all know. Weds for all the late switching, and Gram less so but because Thom fingered him today and could be trying to slip some of his teammates through into the "vouched for" list. |
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ROFL, this really cracked me up. It kinda has a K-Fed-ish sound to it ;) |
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So in these two posts you have suggested that all of the seers are out to get us :) |
Okay I'm caught up at last. First let me apologize for not revealing my scan this morning. I got out of bed just to post that I wasn't going to be around and could barely focus. I didn't think to mention my scan until later, and I wasn't in any shape to get online again. I'm sure those of you with migraines can understand. I truly have a migraine (let Swaggs view that with his power. :)
My name is Antaria Lodestock, a female. My role is farmer As I mentioned in my first post in the game I believe, I mentioned I sold vegetables to Mr. Underhill and his party. That is how my "seer" powers work. In talking to the people who buy vegetables from me and seeing them around town, I have a good sense of them, and due to my women's intuition, I can determine which side (light, darkness, etc) they are on. I'm guessing my seer abilities don't work the same way LSG's does, so she'll likely to go all out of me again. All I can say is that I too am surprised there are more than one seer in the game. But I am a seer and I have at least three people who have revealed that they are indeed good since I revealed my views on them. Plus Swaggs has confirmed my comment with his power. |
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There is no credible evidence to support my claim that you guys are bad, so there is no sense is saying that again. Find all the holes in what I say that you can. It's not going to change the outcome of the day. Does anyone have an updated vote count? If everyone has voted for today, I move that we end the day early since nothing else is really going to happen today. |
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To be fair, it would be like Anxiety to put 4 seers in the game and put them all on the same team. :) |
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Yes DT interesting that everybody LoneStarGirl has scanned has come up clean too isn't it? |
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touche touche |
Fair warning: I can only stay online another half-hour or so then I'll need to step away from the computer for a while. So get your questions in quickly. :)
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(1) Thomkal - Dodgerchick (1723) (11) Spleen - Swaggs (1871), Alan (1896), Lonestargirl (1900), Izulde (1904), Tyrith (1924), Jonathan Ezarik (1941), ntndeacon (1953), BrianD (1955), Grammaticus (1983), Sublime (2013), Daddy Torgo (2014) (1) Alan - Spleen (2020) |
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What is your favorite color? |
I have not voted, and have skimmed some posts to catch up. So what is the plan for voting tonight?
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Blue and Grey. :) |
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Well who do you think are likely bad guys? |
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What is the average air speed of an unladen swallow? Oh wait, wrong game! |
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African or European? |
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I want to ask this same question of Lonestargirl. What is your name, role and how you learn about people's information? |
Page 42!
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Missed by one. Grrrr.
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You fail! |
I would edit my first post with page 42 in there just to mock you more, but figure I would feel your wrath
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I don;t know thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! |
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Well the three people I trust were voting for Ntndeacon yesterday, so there could be something there. Spleen I have no idea about since he's kept to himself mostly, but I'm not sure I buy this typo in his name for voting him out though. But I don't have a problem voting for him. Dodgerchick is voting for me, so her I guess. Tyrith was all over my reveal yesterday and is still calling for my lynch today. But its like I said yesterday, I really don't have a good read on anybody I haven't seer cleared or someone else hasn't cleared. |
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So I assume you'll scan either Dodgerchick or tyrith tonight then? |
Okay I'm about to go postal on that Simpsons banner with the noise its making :)
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they were either just guessing, or being led astray. Remember my name first came up because I was pretty much MIA the 1st couple of days. the residual effects from that gives the bad guys another person to target that would probably convince some of the light factions to join them. |
Wait, did Thomkal vote?
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He said he was leaving and didn't vote? Unless I missed it
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I honestly don't know yet. They are certainly on my list to scan. I'd like to see how the lynch plays out before deciding |
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He hasn't left yet that I can see. |
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That certainly could be the case NTN. There's just been so little to go on with you until today, so I have to take that into consideration. They aren't voting for you today, so I guess that's something to look at to. |
Hey all, I'm heading out of work and to date-night with the wife. I probably won't be back before the lynch, but it doesn't look like much will be changing before then. I guess we'll have the whole weekend to figure out what to do next. Later.
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wow. i'm amazed but saddened that we've got pretty much everyone on spleen. means that the evil has likely piled onto him too, whether he's good or evil might give us a better idea of where to look for them in the mass of votes for spleen, but with public opinion so against him so early it also might not.
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And with that there will be very little of me for probably til after Lynch as Iam moseying to another town for dinner and hanging out. I should be back at SOME point tonight even if it is after lynch. |
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Please do, I welcome it but it'll be a waste as I've already mentioned of my allegiance and I have nothing to hide. Not that it matters but I'm sticking with my vote. The spleen thing just doesn't seem right... it's like people are piling on him because of a typo. It's like you guys saw a little "mistake" and went after it. Anxiety even said, don't base your outside knowledge of the book to in-game reasons and you guys are pretending like it was never mentioned. This doesn't sit well with me at all. I have 10 voting for spleen but my count might be off, I think I saw Alan had 11 on him. |
I hate clicking the submit button when I have another thought. People can make a case for ANYONE in here based on what's written, however small an opening is, people seem to just tear at it.
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Okay I'm off then, and will be on here and there through the night till lynch.
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Well, another WW game and a lot of BS that seems to be permeating from the pixels of my monitor.
I'm out for a few hours. |
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This is what i have: (1) Thomkal - Dodgerchick (1723) (12) Spleen - Swaggs (1871), Alan (1896), Lonestargirl (1900), Izulde (1904), Tyrith (1924), Jonathan Ezarik (1941), ntndeacon (1953), BrianD (1955), Grammaticus (1983), Sublime (2013), Daddy Torgo (2014), Thomkal (2065) (1) Alan - Spleen (2020) |
Well, this is pretty much a throw-off vote, but I'm going to pick someone different from Alan's list of unvouched-for folk.
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reason for that vote Mr. Weds?
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so weds. cast a vote out of left-field and then dissapeared a minute later....raise eyebrows with anyone else?
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Yes, I'm telling you, there's something fishy going on with the Mr. W, Thomkal thing. Let's not forget that Mr. W changed his vote at the last minute to save Thom. Why do I keep doing this? I should shut my computer down so it's not a distraction I keep coming back when I should be doing other things. |
k, well i'm off for dinner and pondering and maybe a lil coffee (bad caffeine-withrawl headache, need to up the latent level of caffeine in my body). i'll be back well before lynch, hell...by 8pm EST I'd say, although i don't anticipate much of anything happening, with such a large majority on spleen
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Who voted for Ntndeacon yesterday? AlanT, Grammaticus, Jonathan Ezarik, Mr. Wednesday, Schmidty, and Thomkal Alan says he can vouch for most of these people, but I think he's giving himself a little wiggle room with thomkal, schmidty and Mr. W. OMG, I think they hid their vote on ntndeacon since he wasn't gonna get lynched!! Wow, I have reached a new level of paranoia... thanks guys. |
Gram's comment about LSG being highly suspicious is quite alarming to me, personally. He would probably be my initial vote tomorrow.
Feel free to scan me tonight, I'd like someone actually bothering to check on me :) And then we might be able to have a definitive answer about you, thomkal, based on if lie to us about it. |
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Gotta cast a vote for someone, pointless to cast it for spleen at this point, and I'm giving ntndeacon credit (perhaps undue credit) for some of his comments today. |
I'm gone, probably until after deadline.
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Well, I can't really see any reason NOT to vote for spleen, so:
Vote Spleen |
Okay, so here is why I think Thomkal is lying:
I am Pariel Gildenhoof, the local Onieromancer. I have a two year old child to take care of and wouldn't want anybody to find out about me because they would likely scorn me and exile me from Bree. I have no ocupation. I am only the Onieromancer. Don't you think Anxiety is bright enough and clever enough that he would give the seer a cool job? And i dont just 'find out' people's names... I dreamwalk. Every night i sit in my room and focus on an object...then i float into other people's dreams. |
I can find out role and faction... but not abilities. When thomkal was online, if he could have done any of this, he would have admited it.
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alant and thomkal, you are both here.... responses?
oh and unvote spleen vote thomkal |
Now that i reread Thomkal's reveal, i do believe he could be a seer, but i doubt he's on the same side as me.... I dont know LOTR but aren't people of bree supposed to be magical? or at least some of them?
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Yes I would have admitted it. I can only get a feel for what side they are. (light, darkness, etc.). And I have been right now at least three times with my views-not sure if Gram admitted to being good or not. If I was faking it, I'd be awfully lucky now wouldn't I to get three people right? |
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I didn't see anything in your response about name and role that I want to make a fuss about. You see the interesting thing about a Onieromancer is they often are considered a dream weaver, one that is able to learn things through their dreams. However I also found references of it where a Onieromancer is considered to be a "mind slug" or one who is able to control one through their thoughts. Unfortunatly I am pretty unfamiliar with karmatic studies that I don't really have experience with it, and this game is my first time I have ever heard of that term before in my life. I guess the important thing to me for now is that you did not lie about it which I guess could be seen as not having something to hide. Of course on the other hand you might be fully aware that if you did lie, you would at some point be called out for it. I guess it was somewhat of a trap question for both you and Thomkal, but for now I haven't heard anything to make me want to push to lynch you any more than before. |
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I can get into a discussion of this somewhat if people want me to.. but basically there were different levels in Middle-earth. The hobbits were simple folks and not greatly magical. For the most part, the men of Bree were the same way. They heard and told stories of people such as the elvaan who were "magical" creatues and it often kept them in awe. The hobbits were really fond of Gandalf and his "magic" that he brought, which often consisted of nothing more than really spectacular fireworks and illusions. |
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Thomkal, i didn't say you were a seer, i said you were a seer for the other side. And who cares if Gram admits to being good or not? Do you think he is just giong to come out and say 'dang, you got me, im bad'? Uhm, no. |
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Thanks Alan, I had missed Jon's vote on spleen. |
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At least there is one sensible person playing this game. |
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I find that ironic coming from you, who has been trying to kill me for three days, largely with minimal support :) |
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Nothing ironic about it. I had a reason to vote for you on day 3 and no reason to change it. :mad: :) |
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I posted it. You should be able to find it. |
interesting. I didn't think you were in danger tonight LSG, so i'm curious as to why you're adding information to your reveal.
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