Hmmm... I thought that the darkest day was when Dubya got "elected" the first time (remember Florida?), and that was topped (bottomed??) by his re-election after voters saw four years of his stupidity.

I thought that both candidates left a lot to be desired.

I hate to toot my own horn. But toot, baby.

We can hold a Carwash.....

Nope.

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Nice concession speech too. Basically the "aw shucks" variety. I'm not sure anyone could have beaten Obama, but I would have appreciated a bit more effort.

Hopefully you'll be able to continue to do what you do Jon, even if you get taxed into bolivian.

Way to go out on a limb.

When will the Bengals win a Super Bowl. Now, that will impress me.

I just hope people are realistic. I voted for Barr, but I rather see Obama over McCain (even though Obama's tax-and-spend platform concern me). The social conservative and Bush mess turned me off.

edit away uncoolness

I don't think even God knows.

I have thought about this. If people were unhappy with Bush and the nation going to the right, Canada is more left than the US and you also have most of Europe to go to if you had the means to leave.

But where do people who want a more "to the right" nation go? (And no, this is not leading up to a "LOL Iran" punchline.). In all seriousness, what nation is out there that would be the "go to" place for someone no happy with the nation going to the left, but still want to remain within reason with regards to the civil rights they enjoy and the standard of living they are accustomed to?

Somehow I'm sure he'll get over the fact that you don't particularly care for him. Just a hunch.

I hate it when I get taxed into a small south american country!!

That is one of the things that grinds me about this current political environment (on both sides). In the end, a very large percent of the population voted for McCain, so.. basically lumping everyone together, calling them evil, stupid or whatever really doesn't help anyone unless you want to continue with an us vs them model all the time. :banghead:

I think and hope that Obama understands this even if large segments of the population don't.

Switzerland?

Electing Obama shows we're moving in the right direction as a country.

The results on the gay marriage bans show we still have a ways to go.

OK, that's a pretty classy crowd there, I'll give them that.

But I still disagree with the sentiment that Republicans don't boo and Democrats do.

Here's one of Dems booing Obama's assertion that "McCain served his contrary honorably".

YouTube - Obama Gives McCain The Finger

I don't think any of it means anything, and I don't have a problem with anybody booing whenever the fuck they want. Just the sentiment that only Republicans do it.

Sean Hannity I hope leaves the country as well; along with Rush Limbaugh.

+1

I apologize for the poor choice of words, which after a second reading certainly has a tone of racism, offensiveness, and ambiguity. Allow me to clarify: I was referring to the belief amongst SOME african-americans, (and minorities as a whole) that America as a whole is still "out to get" them. That their voice can not be heard. That race, ethnicity, and creed is still as much as a widespread issue that it bears consideration in seemingly every fundamental issue in the country. That "white america" only cares about the interests of itself. This perception was shattered tonight. Senator Obama has won a historical election by a landslide. Hell, Iowa voted 54% for Obama. So it is a testament to how far we have come, and a shame that we (whites, blacks, yellows, greens, etc.) decide to only focus sometimes on the pitfalls of our society when in reality we have come a long way in 50 or so years. Yes, horrible choice of words on my part and I should not have generalized "all" african americans. What I meant to say is that I am happy that America is now in a position where we can no longer say that some-ones race has a bearing on their ability to be treated objectively and fairly.

Congrats Obama.

I see lots of legal battles. It will over-turn in time, as the younger generation takes over. It's sad that these bans are being passed.

And I'll accept that with appreciation. I'm not going to lay any sort of claim to complete & utter colorblindness (I don't believe it exists period) but I'll stand by the absence of anything racial in my choice of phrases to describe the situation.
In more colorful terms, there's no rope there for any pitard hoisting.

As to the issue of hyperbole, I have to ask (legit, because I'm not sure, and because it's a more pleasant sidebar than parsing the losses in the House):
I generally interpret hyperbole, defined as "extravagant exaggeration", as including some intent. In other words, you're knowingly & intentionally, overstating some situation.

Rest assured that, from the very bottom of my heart & soul, I mean precisely what I said, is it still "hyperbole"? I guess what I'm asking is who determines the degree of "extravagant exaggeration", the speaker or the listener? An inquiring non-English major wonders & figures we've got enough grammar police that someone will actually know the correct answer.

I love the mountains!

And it just so happens, I'm learning German!

an ex-CA friend of mine tells me he still thinks it'll go down, and we have a while to go. I'm just praying for a friend of mine out there.

Are you suggesting that the people that voted for McCain represent the worst of us?

Kerry's concession came a day after the election, at Fanuiel Hall, before an invited crowd.

The people who voted Palin, maybe. :popcorn:

"Fairness" Doctrine, here we come!

I think booing at a concession speech is different than booing on the campaign trail. I found the boos during McCain's classy concession to be in very poor taste. That booing shouldn't be defended.

Great post. McCain is at 44 million votes and counting. Its not like there were a dozen people on his side.

I'll place a friendly wager that there will be no revival of the "fairness doctrine" during the Obama administration. Obama opposes it and I don't think anyone will push it. It's just a dumb idea.

So you think no Democrat has ever boo'd a concession speech? Or do you just get off correcting me all the time :)

CNN has projected a few ballot initiatives

Arizona's Gay marriage ban is projected to pass.

Michigan to allow medical weed is projected to pass

Colorado's "Life at Conception" is projected to fail.

Are you the same guy?

A much better explanation. :)

I don't know how realistic people are going to be. Like I commented to someone who asked on facebook about my status about the next four years being fascinating, I don't know how it's going to turn out.

There's too many unknown variables at play here to say anything with any real certainty.

Have you read any of the prior posts? Every concession speech that has been made on the same night as the election has had booing, regardless of party.

Well, that's half of Switzerland (just guessing). French is a spoken in a good portion of the western half of the country, and I believe a handful of cantons (pretty much states in Switzerland) speak Italian. I think a very small portion speaks Romansh.

Congratulations Obama.

So far a decent speech from him.

I have no idea on past concession speeches, but I would always say booing is very poor form. I just happened to remember Kerry's concession speech (perhaps because it was probably the best speech he gave).

This is a great speech.

Swiss-German is to German as Ebonics is to English. Found that out the hard way. :)

Probably. And that wasn't cool of me. My bad. I'll go edit. Now is not a night for discord. Now is a night for America.

The younger people are not bothered by race as much the older people.

Alright. We're on. I'll buy you lunch if I ever visit the city.

I just don't have the same faith in these guys that you do. Hopefully they can control themselves on stupid shit like this. I mean, the fact that it's even being discussed by peeps who have a lot of power(Schumer (sp) shows that they need to get a grip.

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That's a decent move!

The popular vote is a pretty good sign that the GOP isn't "dead".

good question - i'd be curious where the line is too.

btw jon - watching obama's speech - he's reaching out to you - he wants to mend fences. we're one america, not a collection of red and blue.

Hopefully Obama will be a better guy than I give him credit for. He's nowhere near as much of a douche as the Kerry's of the world. I just don't agree with a lot of his stances.

Imagine if it wasn't for Oprah, Obama wouldn't have run for election.

- Or did I hear the story wrong.