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Lathum 11-04-2008 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo (Post 1879830)
Wow, McCain seems quick with the concession speech


It's because it is 3 hours past his bedtime

BYU 14 11-04-2008 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1879838)
classy speech by McCain here I gotta say. kudos


Agreed, extremely classy, I definitely respect him, just couldn't give him my vote.

Noop 11-04-2008 10:26 PM

I see he gave Palin the rub.

mauchow 11-04-2008 10:27 PM

+3 million pop vote now.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:27 PM

classy republicans booing

fantom1979 11-04-2008 10:27 PM

Great speech McCain. Nice work.... the people in the crowd on the other hand.... very disappointing.

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2008 10:27 PM

Okay, I'd say it's as official as it gets until January so I'll sum it up.

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended. The lowest point we ever descended to, and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American. We have no one to blame but ourselves for it ultimately, decades upon decades of mistakes & missteps all leading to this moment.

While I believe a good bit of the blame rightfully rests at the feet of those who came before us, I can't deny that this ultimately happened on our watch. We allowed the utterly clueless to put the equally clueless in charge and barring a miracle, or even a series of miracles, we'll never reach or even approach greatness again. Mediocrity, or much much worse, is officially the new standard and that isn't something that's easily overcome because the reality is that mediocre regenerates faster than greatness.

It's sad, but it is what it is. Defeated and without any reasonable degree of hope, all that's left is to fight to the end & deny the enemy as much of the spoils as possible. Maybe there's at least enough backbone left to do a decent job of that.

That's about all the emotion you're likely to get out of me tonight, subpar rant though it may be, I'm simply too sad to do rage very well. And I'm not planning to deny myself whatever pleasure I might find in playing with the numbers, screwing around with the hypotheticals, and fantasizing about the scenarios in which we might manage to survive this disaster but (to the disappointment of my liberal friends I'm sure) I definitely won't be holding my breath for them to take place. I'll just get what good I can get from it & leave the rest.

Flasch186 11-04-2008 10:27 PM

me too, Arles, me too.

MrDNA 11-04-2008 10:27 PM

This crowd really is pretty crappy.

sabotai 11-04-2008 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noop (Post 1879852)
I see he gave Palin the rub.


I bet he did!!!! Ba-ZING!

Karlifornia 11-04-2008 10:27 PM

McCain did pretty well, considering the Chevy Yugo he had to try and sell.

lordscarlet 11-04-2008 10:28 PM

OK, Wade and I were just discussing this. The Virginia Republican party made a huge mistake when they chose to have a nominating convention to choose their Senatorial candidate rather than a primary. Tom Davis would have been a far superior candidate over Jim Gilmore.

sterlingice 11-04-2008 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 1879845)
I like McCain. I feel bad for him.


A friend and I were talking about this on AIM. We just feel bad for him. He had such awful handlers and a bad running mate. He deserved a better fate.

SI

Cringer 11-04-2008 10:28 PM

You can tell it's a small group of idiots who are booing. It is not everyone there. Still idiots though.

Tigercat 11-04-2008 10:28 PM

Obama making a comeback in North Carolina, down only by a few thousand. He still leads in Indiana, but only by less than 2k. The quest for 360-370ish?

Howard Dean is a genius.

MrDNA 11-04-2008 10:28 PM

Jon, is that you booing on my TV?

"the darkest day in our nation's history" Get a grip, man.

BishopMVP 11-04-2008 10:29 PM

The Crimson Tide song? Fucking fantastic.

mauchow 11-04-2008 10:29 PM

Will we hear of Palin anymore?

Groundhog 11-04-2008 10:29 PM

Yeah, I may be glad Obama got in, but that was a pretty nice speech. Certainly raised my respect levels for the man.

Karlifornia 11-04-2008 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879856)
Okay, I'd say it's as official as it gets until January so I'll sum it up.

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended. The lowest point we ever descended to, and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American. We have no one to blame but ourselves for it ultimately, decades upon decades of mistakes & missteps all leading to this moment.

While I believe a good bit of the blame rightfully rests at the feet of those who came before us, I can't deny that this ultimately happened on our watch. We allowed the utterly clueless to put the equally clueless in charge and barring a miracle, or even a series of miracles, we'll never reach or even approach greatness again. Mediocrity, or much much worse, is officially the new standard and that isn't something that's easily overcome because the reality is that mediocre regenerates faster than greatness.

It's sad, but it is what it is. Defeated and without any reasonable degree of hope, all that's left is to fight to the end & deny the enemy as much of the spoils as possible. Maybe there's at least enough backbone left to do a decent job of that.

That's about all the emotion you're likely to get out of me tonight, subpar rant though it may be, I'm simply too sad to do rage very well. And I'm not planning to deny myself whatever pleasure I might find in playing with the numbers, screwing around with the hypotheticals, and fantasizing about the scenarios in which we might manage to survive this disaster but (to the disappointment of my liberal friends I'm sure) I definitely won't be holding my breath for them to take place. I'll just get what good I can get from it & leave the rest.


:D

TheOhioStateUniversity 11-04-2008 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879856)
Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended.

...wow

sterlingice 11-04-2008 10:30 PM

Oh, and Bartlett Pears! Bartlett Pears! Bartlett Pears! (Colbert Report joke for those who don't get it)

SI

Groundhog 11-04-2008 10:31 PM

JiMGA, you are exaggerating beyond belief. You may not be happy with who got the presidency, but I'm willing to bet that your life will not nearly be so adversely affected by it as you seem to think.

Mustang 11-04-2008 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 1879821)
Yeah, this is a nice moment for the country. I think Obama is a good person and will try to be a good leader. I hope he succeeds.


Hopefully the expectations aren't ridiculously out of line. Lots of things to work on so, hopefully people dont' expect everything to change overnight. (Or the flip side that he feels pressure to do everything overnight and does things too fast or haphazardly)

Lathum 11-04-2008 10:31 PM

put me in the camp of classy speech from McCain with a few morons sprinkled in

wade moore 11-04-2008 10:31 PM

Whatever your political stance is you have to recognize that this is a big moment in US history. I hope it will help us to move to the point where race (or sex for that matter) can take a back seat in future elections.

Swaggs 11-04-2008 10:32 PM

Well, the bar seems to be set pretty low for Obama among the JiMGs of the world, so it shouldn't be too hard for Obama to win him over by 2012. ;)

Noop 11-04-2008 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore (Post 1879875)
Whatever your political stance is you have to recognize that this is a big moment in US history. I hope it will help us to move to the point where race (or sex for that matter) can take a back seat in future elections.


+1

lordscarlet 11-04-2008 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879856)
Okay, I'd say it's as official as it gets until January so I'll sum it up.

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended. The lowest point we ever descended to, and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American. We have no one to blame but ourselves for it ultimately, decades upon decades of mistakes & missteps all leading to this moment.

While I believe a good bit of the blame rightfully rests at the feet of those who came before us, I can't deny that this ultimately happened on our watch. We allowed the utterly clueless to put the equally clueless in charge and barring a miracle, or even a series of miracles, we'll never reach or even approach greatness again. Mediocrity, or much much worse, is officially the new standard and that isn't something that's easily overcome because the reality is that mediocre regenerates faster than greatness.

It's sad, but it is what it is. Defeated and without any reasonable degree of hope, all that's left is to fight to the end & deny the enemy as much of the spoils as possible. Maybe there's at least enough backbone left to do a decent job of that.

That's about all the emotion you're likely to get out of me tonight, subpar rant though it may be, I'm simply too sad to do rage very well. And I'm not planning to deny myself whatever pleasure I might find in playing with the numbers, screwing around with the hypotheticals, and fantasizing about the scenarios in which we might manage to survive this disaster but (to the disappointment of my liberal friends I'm sure) I definitely won't be holding my breath for them to take place. I'll just get what good I can get from it & leave the rest.


Sounds similar to how Democrats felt in 2000 and 2004; and that's pretty much what happened.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879856)

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history



dude...get a grip. 9/11? Pearl Harbor? There's plenty of better candidates for the darkest day.

if you want to say it's the darkest day in the history of the republican party you could MAYBE make an argument for that i suppose, but darkest day in our nation's history is pure hyperbole and grandstanding for attention and a response

Greyroofoo 11-04-2008 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879856)
Okay, I'd say it's as official as it gets until January so I'll sum it up.

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended. The lowest point we ever descended to, and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American. We have no one to blame but ourselves for it ultimately, decades upon decades of mistakes & missteps all leading to this moment.

While I believe a good bit of the blame rightfully rests at the feet of those who came before us, I can't deny that this ultimately happened on our watch. We allowed the utterly clueless to put the equally clueless in charge and barring a miracle, or even a series of miracles, we'll never reach or even approach greatness again. Mediocrity, or much much worse, is officially the new standard and that isn't something that's easily overcome because the reality is that mediocre regenerates faster than greatness.

It's sad, but it is what it is. Defeated and without any reasonable degree of hope, all that's left is to fight to the end & deny the enemy as much of the spoils as possible. Maybe there's at least enough backbone left to do a decent job of that.

That's about all the emotion you're likely to get out of me tonight, subpar rant though it may be, I'm simply too sad to do rage very well. And I'm not planning to deny myself whatever pleasure I might find in playing with the numbers, screwing around with the hypotheticals, and fantasizing about the scenarios in which we might manage to survive this disaster but (to the disappointment of my liberal friends I'm sure) I definitely won't be holding my breath for them to take place. I'll just get what good I can get from it & leave the rest.


Amazing, I had the same thoughts in 2000/2004

edit: Damn you lordscarlet!

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2008 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 1879835)
What the hell is wrong with these people?


Umm ... they don't particularly like the worthless SOB that McCain just referred to? Seems to me that would be pretty obvious, not sure why that is bewildering.

mauchow 11-04-2008 10:33 PM

no chance for filibuster proof now, right?

Noop 11-04-2008 10:34 PM

Jon you can always move to another country like France for instance. Or some other European country that doesn't have a 'dark' leader.

cartman 11-04-2008 10:35 PM

Darkest day is US History?


DeToxRox 11-04-2008 10:35 PM

Jon don't you have a Militia that needs to kick it into gear?

SirFozzie 11-04-2008 10:35 PM

Now I just have to hope and pray 8 goes down

Groundhog 11-04-2008 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879881)
Umm ... they don't particularly like the worthless SOB that McCain just referred to? Seems to me that would be pretty obvious, not sure why that is bewildering.


Can someone who paid attention over the past 100-odd pages of this thread give me a quick rundown on what exactly JiMGA despises so much about Obama?

mauchow 11-04-2008 10:35 PM

Obama increases big lead in NC now. Wow.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879881)
Umm ... they don't particularly like the worthless SOB that McCain just referred to? Seems to me that would be pretty obvious, not sure why that is bewildering.


that would be the SOB who beat McCain - which makes him what...less than worthless?

sterlingice 11-04-2008 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 1879865)
Jon, is that you booing on my TV?

"the darkest day in our nation's history" Get a grip, man.


You don't get it. Jon isn't one of those guys in the crowd booing. Read what he wrote- that's not what he's saying. I strongly disagree with his sentiments but it's not as if he's shallowly just dismissing this.

SI

Swaggs 11-04-2008 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauboy1 (Post 1879882)
no chance for filibuster proof now, right?


Depends on whether or not Franken beats Coleman in MN and Chambliss gets over 50% tonight (if not, there will be a highly contested run-off).

Alaska and Oregon also have somewhat contested races, but they will likely both break for the Dems.

KWhit 11-04-2008 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879856)
Okay, I'd say it's as official as it gets until January so I'll sum it up.

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended. The lowest point we ever descended to, and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American. We have no one to blame but ourselves for it ultimately, decades upon decades of mistakes & missteps all leading to this moment.

While I believe a good bit of the blame rightfully rests at the feet of those who came before us, I can't deny that this ultimately happened on our watch. We allowed the utterly clueless to put the equally clueless in charge and barring a miracle, or even a series of miracles, we'll never reach or even approach greatness again. Mediocrity, or much much worse, is officially the new standard and that isn't something that's easily overcome because the reality is that mediocre regenerates faster than greatness.

It's sad, but it is what it is. Defeated and without any reasonable degree of hope, all that's left is to fight to the end & deny the enemy as much of the spoils as possible. Maybe there's at least enough backbone left to do a decent job of that.

That's about all the emotion you're likely to get out of me tonight, subpar rant though it may be, I'm simply too sad to do rage very well. And I'm not planning to deny myself whatever pleasure I might find in playing with the numbers, screwing around with the hypotheticals, and fantasizing about the scenarios in which we might manage to survive this disaster but (to the disappointment of my liberal friends I'm sure) I definitely won't be holding my breath for them to take place. I'll just get what good I can get from it & leave the rest.


You've made some ridiculous posts over the years here, but I think this one may take the cake.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 1879886)
Jon don't you have a Militia that needs to kick it into gear?


i think it's pretty easy for them to cut eye-holes in white sheets

Honolulu_Blue 11-04-2008 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879856)
Okay, I'd say it's as official as it gets until January so I'll sum it up.

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended. The lowest point we ever descended to, and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American. We have no one to blame but ourselves for it ultimately, decades upon decades of mistakes & missteps all leading to this moment.

While I believe a good bit of the blame rightfully rests at the feet of those who came before us, I can't deny that this ultimately happened on our watch. We allowed the utterly clueless to put the equally clueless in charge and barring a miracle, or even a series of miracles, we'll never reach or even approach greatness again. Mediocrity, or much much worse, is officially the new standard and that isn't something that's easily overcome because the reality is that mediocre regenerates faster than greatness.

It's sad, but it is what it is. Defeated and without any reasonable degree of hope, all that's left is to fight to the end & deny the enemy as much of the spoils as possible. Maybe there's at least enough backbone left to do a decent job of that.

That's about all the emotion you're likely to get out of me tonight, subpar rant though it may be, I'm simply too sad to do rage very well. And I'm not planning to deny myself whatever pleasure I might find in playing with the numbers, screwing around with the hypotheticals, and fantasizing about the scenarios in which we might manage to survive this disaster but (to the disappointment of my liberal friends I'm sure) I definitely won't be holding my breath for them to take place. I'll just get what good I can get from it & leave the rest.


CLiMGA.

Lathum 11-04-2008 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 1879888)
Can someone who paid attention over the past 100-odd pages of this thread give me a quick rundown on what exactly JiMGA despises so much about Obama?


my guess is that he is black

Swaggs 11-04-2008 10:37 PM

MSNBC calls Nevada for Obama.

Up to 338 EVs now.

lordscarlet 11-04-2008 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cringer (Post 1879863)
You can tell it's a small group of idiots who are booing. It is not everyone there. Still idiots though.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879881)
Umm ... they don't particularly like the worthless SOB that McCain just referred to? Seems to me that would be pretty obvious, not sure why that is bewildering.


For someone that I believe would feel that respect is an important virtue, continually booing someone you dislike like (I really am containing just throwing out vitriol at the "worthless SOB" comment, particularly with what the Republican party has given us for the last 8 years). I don't recall hearing this from Democrats in 2000 and 2004 and they thought Bush was worthless. There really are not enough 4 letter words to describe the type of person you have proven yourself to be throughout the latter days of this campaign.

SirFozzie 11-04-2008 10:37 PM

Guys, that's unworthy. For Jon's faults to me, I can't see him as a racist. Come on. Call him on what he does that's wrong, but let's not invent things.

Groundhog 11-04-2008 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1879894)
i think it's pretty easy for them to cut eye-holes in white sheets


LOL :D


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