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Dutch 12-02-2024 11:22 AM

Having a different opinion and sharing it honestly and respectfully is not trolling. I appreciate the different opinions here and love to add to the conversations.

Ksyrup 12-02-2024 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3450653)
So I've been told that in order to accept a pardon the person must admit guilt.

Has Hunter admitted to being guilty to anything?


He pleaded guilty to 9 charges in his tax case several months ago.

MillionsDollarsManz 12-02-2024 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3450630)

The choice of pardoning his son now leaves open the conversation similar to why Biden hosted Trump for a debate well before the typical debate season. Are their plans in place to declare him incompetent in the works? Which could open a can of worms, obviously, was he competent enough to write this pardon? I don’t think he was. The only saving grace would be if Hunter was set to be scheduled for prison before Jan 6th.

And the timeline, all federal crimes from 2014-2024. Wow, that’s a pretty blatant acceptance that his Burisma ties are exactly as bad as the conspiracy theorists said it was.

The silver lining, however, is Hunter Biden could be called as a material witness and he can’t plead the 5th. Which would make him a prime target of a tragic drug overdose to protect the family.



What in the flying hell are you talking about? This reads like a fox news press release after a night of sniffing glue. Do you even understand how a pardon works?

flere-imsaho 12-02-2024 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3450630)
And the timeline, all federal crimes from 2014-2024. Wow, that’s a pretty blatant acceptance that his Burisma ties are exactly as bad as the conspiracy theorists said it was.


Why did the Saudis give Jared Kushner $2B, Dutch?

JPhillips 12-02-2024 06:28 PM

How much is Trump going to get from people "investing" in his crypto?

Dutch 12-02-2024 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3450710)
Why did the Saudis give Jared Kushner $2B, Dutch?


It’s been a while. I know his father-in-law was pardoned, but needed some guidance on Jared himself. Still awaiting the final verdict on a couple of investigations it seems.

2016 Investigation (Special Counsel, Robert Mueller):
Jared Kushner was investigated as part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. He faced scrutiny for his meetings with Russian officials and attempts to establish backchannel communications. Result: Kushner was not charged, and no evidence of wrongdoing related to collusion was found against him.

2022 Investigation (House Oversight Committee):
The House Oversight Committee, led by Democrats, investigated whether Kushner’s position in the Trump administration influenced the Saudi Public Investment Fund’s $2 billion investment in his private equity firm. Result: The investigation raised ethical concerns but did not result in legal charges. As of now, it remains under scrutiny.


As of December 2, 2024, the Senate Finance Committee's investigation into Jared Kushner's firm, Affinity Partners, is ongoing. The committee, led by Chair Ron Wyden, is examining the firm's financial activities, particularly the substantial investments from Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds, including a $2 billion investment from Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund. The investigation aims to assess potential conflicts of interest and ethical concerns related to Kushner's business dealings following his tenure in the White House. No formal conclusions or charges have been announced to date.

As for Trump…

The 2016 Russia interference investigation, led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, concluded in March 2019. Regarding Donald Trump, the investigation had the following key outcomes:

No Evidence of Collusion:
The Mueller Report stated that it "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government" to interfere in the 2016 election. This cleared Trump and his campaign of direct collusion with Russia.
Obstruction of Justice Concerns:
The report detailed multiple instances where Trump may have attempted to obstruct the investigation, such as firing FBI Director James Comey and attempting to limit the scope of the special counsel's investigation. Mueller stated, "While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." However, no charges were filed, as Mueller deferred to the Department of Justice policy against indicting a sitting president.
Russian Interference Findings:
The report confirmed extensive Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election to benefit Trump, including through hacking and social media manipulation. Trump was not found to have participated in these actions.
In summary, the investigation did not find evidence of collusion by Trump or his campaign but raised unresolved questions about potential obstruction of justice. No charges were filed against Trump as a result of the investigation.

Dutch 12-02-2024 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3450711)
How much is Trump going to get from people "investing" in his crypto?


Count me as one who refuses to believe in crypto. Whats Bitcoin at? $100,000? Sounds promising, but what will it be 12 months from now? Somewhere between $40,000 and $200,000? I just can’t work with that. Too much speculation.

I’m sure people will invest in TrumpCoin or whatever it will be called but I don’t believe in the foundation of it.

JPhillips 12-02-2024 09:53 PM

This Trump coin lets people buy it and transfers 75% of the money to Trump. A guy under investigation by the FTC bought 30 mil worth which covered the reserve and helped Trump net 18 mil. It's just a fund to bribe Trump.

Kodos 12-02-2024 09:55 PM

Hammer can help you.

Brian Swartz 12-03-2024 08:16 AM

Not anymore. They were chased away from the forums.

sovereignstar v2 12-03-2024 10:58 AM

Maybe we could lure him back with some FOFC shitcoin

RainMaker 12-12-2024 10:37 PM

Biden commutes sentence for Kids-for-Cash judge – Wilkes-Barre Citizens' Voice

RainMaker 12-12-2024 10:51 PM

Another one. Great documentary called All the Queens Horses about her and her embezzlement scheme that destroyed a town in Illinois.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news...ita-crundwell/

Edward64 12-19-2024 12:36 PM

Article on how WH kept Joe insulated. Too much to quote. A very sad read.

wsj.com

flere-imsaho 12-19-2024 06:02 PM

A lot of people have a lot to answer for.

RainMaker 12-19-2024 06:53 PM

Most of you defended him the past couple years when this was obvious to everyone.

PilotMan 12-19-2024 07:48 PM

Not that I'm supporting him, but you think that he's just so far gone that he was willing to commute the sentences of pretty much anyone without thought nor care? Like he just did this all on his own?

Mota 12-20-2024 09:14 AM

So is it going to be different when Trump ages in the next 4 years? Will his team expose him, or is it okay because he plays by different rules? He's already showing signs of this with his incontinence and IV use.

HerRealName 12-20-2024 09:17 AM

I doubt that I ever defended Biden but I will admit that the State of the Union speech did trick me. I wonder how they were able to get him through that speech so successfully.

flere-imsaho 12-20-2024 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mota (Post 3452285)
So is it going to be different when Trump ages in the next 4 years? Will his team expose him, or is it okay because he plays by different rules? He's already showing signs of this with his incontinence and IV use.


Confused racist uncle plays better to the American public than confused and kindly uncle.

Lathum 12-20-2024 11:25 AM

I don't recall defending him but I was going to support who the dem nominee was regardless.

I do think Jill Biden is more the power hungry witch the GOP made her out to be than I would have thought. I blame her and Joe for this. If he had stepped aside after midterms we would have had a normal primary and likely not gotten HArris and things may have been different.

Atocep 12-20-2024 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3452299)
I don't recall defending him but I was going to support who the dem nominee was regardless.

I do think Jill Biden is more the power hungry witch the GOP made her out to be than I would have thought. I blame her and Joe for this. If he had stepped aside after midterms we would have had a normal primary and likely not gotten HArris and things may have been different.


I don't think much would change. There isn't a candidate out there that would have united the Democratic party enough to win this past election. Either progressives or moderates are bailing on any candidate that's been tossed out there.

Kodos 12-20-2024 11:59 AM

Yeah, it seems like the incumbents were effed, just like other incumbents around the world.

NobodyHere 12-22-2024 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3448978)
Nice farewell gift from Joe and this Congress.

Bill was passed in House and will pass in the Senate. I don't know if it really is "fair" or not but pretty sure it impacts me when we take SS and pension. So not immediately but for the future.

My wife, worked as a public school teacher and also private sector. She was going to have some sort of "offset/subtraction" from either her pension or social security (I looked into it but never could figure out what it was but think about 50% of pension amount).

So, anyone/spouse that is a public school teacher expecting a school pension, and you/spouse also is eligible for social security will probably benefit from this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/13/hous...ficiaries.html


Good job Joe and congress, now Social Security can go bankrupt even faster!

Edward64 12-22-2024 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3452546)
Good job Joe and congress, now Social Security can go bankrupt even faster!


I believe the correct term is insolvent vs bankrupt. I’ve read like less than a year quicker to paying approx 75% of total around 2034’ish

But your point is well taken. They should have left that alone until they came up with some sort of comprehensive fix to social security and Medicare.

NobodyHere 12-22-2024 04:25 PM

This just reinforces the idea that electing old people is bad.

GOP Rep. Kay Granger living in retirement facility: source | Fox News

Edward64 12-23-2024 05:52 AM

37 people getting a Merry Christmas.

Joe, I get you have strong convictions here, and there is probably some rationale for some that I can agree with but not the child killer. And probably not the drug kingpin killing a family.

President Biden commutes sentences of 37 federal death row inmates | Fox News
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Of the 40 inmates on federal death row, according to DeathPenaltyInfo.org, Biden is commuting 37 men sentenced to death, reclassifying their sentences to life without the possibility of parole.
  1. The convicted murderers who will now escape execution include: Marcivicci Barnette, who killed a man in a carjacking and his ex-girlfriend;
  2. co-defendants Brandon Basham and Chadrick Fulks, who kidnapped and killed a woman after escaping prison;
  3. Anthony Battle, who killed a prison guard;
  4. Jason Brown, who stabbed a postal worker to death;
  5. Thomas Hager, who committed a drug-related killing;
  6. David Runyon, who participated in the murder-for-hire plot of a Naval officer;
  7. Thomas Sanders, who kidnapped and killed a 12-year-old girl;
  8. Rejon Taylor, who carjacked, kidnapped and killed a restaurant owner; and
  9. Alejandro Umana, who killed two brothers inside a restaurant.
  10. Two men were on death row for the murders of witnesses: police officer Len Davis, who ordered the murder of a witness who was part of an investigation into a misconduct complaint against him, and
  11. Ronald Mikos, who killed a federal grand jury witness in a Medicare fraud investigation.
  12. Ex-Marine Jorge Torrez was set to be executed for killing another servicemember.
  13. The list also includes men who committed deadly bank robberies, such as co-defendants Billie Allen and Norris Holder, who killed a bank guard during their crime;
  14. Brandon Council, who killed two bank employees; and
  15. Daryl Lawrence, who killed a special-duty police officer during an attempted bank robbery.
  16. Co-defendants James Roane, Jr., and Richard Tipton committed a series of drug-related murders as gang members with Corey Johnson, who was executed in 2021.
  17. Julius Robinson killed two people over drugs, and so did co-defendants Ricardo Sanchez, Jr., and Daniel Troya, who killed a family, including two children.
  18. Drug lord Kaboni Savage murdered or directed someone else to murder 12 people during a 16-year period – including an arson that killed six members of a federal informant's family.

Ksyrup 12-23-2024 06:59 AM

I don't know what separates the other 3, but after reading this I just assumed he did it because Trump has made noise about bringing back federal executions and Biden probably wanted to tie their hands as to how many they could do. Just a guess.

GrantDawg 12-23-2024 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3452588)
I don't know what separates the other 3, but after reading this I just assumed he did it because Trump has made noise about bringing back federal executions and Biden probably wanted to tie their hands as to how many they could do. Just a guess.

Roof is the Charleston Black Church shooter, Bowers is the Pittsburgh Synagogue shooter, and the last was the Boston marathon bomber.

Lathum 12-23-2024 07:26 AM

The pro life party should be cheering this on, no?

RainMaker 12-28-2024 03:38 PM

Bidenomics


U.S. homelessness jumps to another record high, amid affordable housing shortage : NPR

RainMaker 01-02-2025 05:53 PM


Edward64 01-03-2025 10:18 AM

Tom Cruise still available?

Supposedly below meeting occurred several weeks ago, so say sometime in November.

Reading the article, I was thinking Joe probably relishes at the idea of finishing strong but then handing the repercussions to Trump, a win-win and payback for Afghanistan pull-out.

Just a moment...
Quote:

White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan presented President Biden with options for a potential U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear facilities if the Iranians move towards a nuclear weapon before Jan. 20, in a meeting several weeks ago that remained secret until now, three sources with knowledge of the issue tell Axios.

Why it matters: A U.S. strike on Iran's nuclear program during the lame duck period would be an enormous gamble from a president who promised he would not allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, but who would also risk handing a fresh conflict over to his successor. Biden did not green light a strike during the meeting and has not done so since, the sources said.

... but then, I'm not sure if the article is really relevant based on below. If true, it's Trump's (and Bibi's) call.

Quote:

Even if Iran decided to build a bomb, it would need to develop a nuclear explosive device or warhead. Israeli intelligence believes that would take at least a year.

RainMaker 01-07-2025 08:30 PM

Zero accountability for these losers.


JPhillips 01-07-2025 09:42 PM

It wasn't an unforced error, it was Manchin and Sinema saying no.

RainMaker 01-07-2025 10:17 PM

Read the thread. They literally waited on Manchin to arrive to torpedo the vote.

But agree, calling it an unforced error is wrong. They just wanted the NLRB to be right wing because that's where their loyalties lie.

Edward64 01-08-2025 06:51 AM

Not looking good for Joe's legacy. Time may smooth things out some but think the odds are against it. Good guy but finished poorly.

Good graphic in article comparing Presidents since JFK. Joe only beats Nixon.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/654878/...egatively.aspx
Quote:

Many more Americans expect history to judge Joe Biden’s presidency unfavorably rather than favorably. Fifty-four percent of U.S. adults believe Biden will be remembered as a “below average” (37%) or “poor” (17%) president, while 19% say he will be evaluated as “outstanding” (6%) or “above average” (13%). Another 26% think he will be regarded as “average.”

Ghost Econ 01-09-2025 11:01 AM

I can't believe it. I'm sure our enlightened centrists will immediately admit their errors.

https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-informa...-years-2012289

Edward64 01-15-2025 05:49 AM

Joe, if you had done this in Year 1 and it opened opportunities to do more, I'd admire you for it. But to do this in your last week (and knowing Trump/Rubio will overturn it) is BS.

I guess it's a moral victory but hurts the Dems in FL for the next several elections. I don't understand why you did this now but will assume the evil Jill told you so (and Pope Francis and his promise of -3.5% from Purgatory).

US to remove Cuba from state sponsors of terrorism list
Quote:

The US will remove Cuba from its list of state sponsor of terrorism, Joe Biden has said in one of his final official acts as president.

In return, Cuba announced it would release 553 prisoners.

The deal, which was brokered by the Catholic Church, comes just days before president-elect Donald Trump is due to be sworn in.

JonInMiddleGA 01-15-2025 07:48 AM

Good ol' Joe, evil to the very end.

Finish strong, make anyone else reaching the bottom 4-5 worst of all-time tough.

larrymcg421 01-15-2025 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3454623)
Joe, if you had done this in Year 1 and it opened opportunities to do more, I'd admire you for it. But to do this in your last week (and knowing Trump/Rubio will overturn it) is BS.

I guess it's a moral victory but hurts the Dems in FL for the next several elections. I don't understand why you did this now but will assume the evil Jill told you so (and Pope Francis and his promise of -3.5% from Purgatory).

US to remove Cuba from state sponsors of terrorism list


Are we handwaving this part away?

Quote:

In return, Cuba announced it would release 553 prisoners.

Ksyrup 01-15-2025 08:47 AM

EEEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIL!

Edward64 01-15-2025 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3454634)
Are we handwaving this part away?


Basically, yes.

Who are those 553 prisoners? Pretty sure vast majority aren't US citizens (if any). There are countless other prisoners around the world that are worthy of being released also with some US government pressure or bribery ... why these 553 Cubans and why in last week of his presidency.

The question is ... are those 553 prisoners worth the impact to Democrat chances to win Florida local-state-federal elections in the next 4-8+ (?) years?

miked 01-15-2025 09:48 AM

If you think this is the biggest issue preventing dems from winning FL, you are an idiot.

BTW, we recognize (and trade with) significantly worse countries/governments than Cuba. Wayyyyyy worse. Get out of the 60s and into the present.

NobodyHere 01-15-2025 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3454623)
Joe, if you had done this in Year 1 and it opened opportunities to do more, I'd admire you for it. But to do this in your last week (and knowing Trump/Rubio will overturn it) is BS.

I guess it's a moral victory but hurts the Dems in FL for the next several elections. I don't understand why you did this now but will assume the evil Jill told you so (and Pope Francis and his promise of -3.5% from Purgatory).

US to remove Cuba from state sponsors of terrorism list


For everyone opposed to this, what terrorists does Cuba still sponsor?

Edward64 01-15-2025 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked (Post 3454638)
If you think this is the biggest issue preventing dems from winning FL, you are an idiot.

BTW, we recognize (and trade with) significantly worse countries/governments than Cuba. Wayyyyyy worse. Get out of the 60s and into the present.


Nope, definitely not the biggest. But if you don't think it "hurts" the Dems chances, I'd think you should look in the mirror.

I'll just refer you to my original post ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3454623)
Joe, if you had done this in Year 1 and it opened opportunities to do more, I'd admire you for it. But to do this in your last week (and knowing Trump/Rubio will overturn it) is BS.

I guess it's a moral victory but hurts the Dems in FL for the next several elections. I don't understand why you did this now but will assume the evil Jill told you so (and Pope Francis and his promise of -3.5% from Purgatory).

US to remove Cuba from state sponsors of terrorism list


Edward64 01-15-2025 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3454641)
For everyone opposed to this, what terrorists does Cuba still sponsor?


See below. Nothing too outrageous that I can see ... (but back in the 80s and 90s, their boxers were definitely terrorizing the western world).

Technical Difficulties


Very specifically, I'm opposed to it right now because I don't see what the strategic US interest is as Trump/Rubio will overturn it when they get in; and it will hurt the Dems in the FL elections.

Joe wants to do it in his Year 1 and start the normalization process, I'm all for it.

miked 01-15-2025 10:22 AM

it doesn't really matter when he does it, it is symbolic and got some prisoners (probably quite a few nonviolent, political ones) freed. Obama did it, and Trump undid it. No matter who the R is going to be in the office will undo it, because their supporters (like the Jons of the world) think that Cuba is some existential evil, when in fact we do business with much worse.

Of course it will hurt any generic "D" chances in an election, but it does not really move the needle. No R is going to change their vote because Joe Biden called Cuba evil and kept a symbolic ban.

RainMaker 01-15-2025 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3454631)
Good ol' Joe, evil to the very end.

Finish strong, make anyone else reaching the bottom 4-5 worst of all-time tough.


Worst Dem President since Buchanan. Not sure if bottom 5 but definitely deserving of being tossed in the dustbin of history. A complete incompetent loser.

flere-imsaho 01-15-2025 06:29 PM

He should have run in 2016 if he wanted the job. He might still not have been great, but a lot of stuff (i.e. SCOTUS) would have been dramatically different.

On a related note, of 45 Democratic Senators, plus the 2 Independents:

3 are 80 or older
12 are 70-79
17 are 60-69
11 are 50-59
3 are 40-49
1 is 37

Fucking retire you fucking fucks.


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